=== n0ts_off is now known as n0ts === n0ts is now known as n0ts_off [00:31] Anyone have luck setting up a Half Life 2 server on Ubuntu Server? It's a legacy mod. It's not showing up in the Master Server list. I don't know if its a Valve problem or the OS problem. [00:32] AaronMickDee: my first guess is firewalling, both on the machine (check iptables or ufw) and on any NAT devices (wireless routers? routers? firewalls?) that may be between your server and the valve servers === fire_ is now known as fire === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [00:51] anybody has experience with AD using centrifydc? === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk === n0ts_off is now known as n0ts === n0ts is now known as n0ts_off [01:52] using 12.04 , linux-virtual package + pvgrub kernel on ec2, can't mount root device, uuid not found, seems like LVM kernel mods are not loaded/included, is there an easy workaround ? === n0ts_off is now known as n0ts === n0ts is now known as n0ts_off === n0ts_off is now known as n0ts === shantorn_ is now known as shantorn [04:26] New bug: #1030107 in glance (main) "Glance-API and Glance-Registry Continuously Reload" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030107 [04:46] Hello all. [04:47] I don't understand this, something happened and my linux installation has gone to hell. I've tried completely reinstalling but nothing fucking works anymore. [04:48] First of all. My FRESH install of ubuntu 12.04 lts will not reboot or shutdown anymore with "sudo shutdown" "sudo reboot" [04:48] Second. The apache2 installation is completely fucked up. [04:48] Please stop cursing [04:49] Third. MySQL is screwed up [04:49] try sudo shutdown now [04:49] Fourth. I cannot install guest additions [04:51] cluelessperson: Typically when you have a set of problems that you want to get help with, its a good idea to start by gathering evidence so you can help your helpers understand. [04:52] SpamapS: Instead of shutting down. Ubuntu Server reports a "[FAIL]" and goes into "single user mode" as root, awaiting more commands. [04:52] This is with a fresh install. [04:53] "sudo reboot -h now" does worl [04:53] cluelessperson: ok, thats a pretty difficult situation to get into. There should be a set of text before [FAIL] that explains what failed [04:53] SpamapS: I've reinstalled a number of times, and it continues to happen. [04:54] cluelessperson: I can't really help you without knowing what failed. [04:56] SpamapS: My fstab configuration, which has been working for weeks, is suddenly failing to mount my shared folders, but I assume this an issue with guest additions with virtualbox, but before getting off track. [04:57] SpamapS: "Killing all remaining processes.... [fail]" "Will now switch to single-user mode" [04:57] guest additions? [04:58] SpamapS: VirtualBox is a VirtualMachine Manager on my host machine, that seems to require a package or software "Guest Additions" to be installed in order for certain interfaces to be made. [04:58] cluelessperson: the thing that does 'Killing all remaining processes....' (/etc/init.d/killprocs) doesn't switch to single user mode. thats weird. [04:58] SpamapS: I know. [04:59] SpamapS: Well, I don't know that doesn't switch, I know it's weird though. Everything's been working fine for over a month. I've been using this configuration. As of two days ago, this suddenly is a disaster for me. [05:00] SpamapS: my fstab music mount is failing "could not convert "subsonic" to integer, result = 0: numerical result ouf of ra$ ? [05:00] cluelessperson: can you pastebin 'ls -l /etc/rc0.d' ? [05:00] cluelessperson: in the past, vmware's guest additions broke the shutdown/boot *badly* [05:01] SpamapS: That's probably what's happening here. and I'll be done with virtualbox [05:01] SpamapS: I made a snapshot of the VM before I attempted to install additions, let me double check [05:02] SpamapS: Fails. [05:02] SpamapS: But again, it could just be within virtualbox [05:03] cluelessperson: ls -l /etc/rc0.d will at least rule out or confirm the same problem as vmware had [05:04] SpamapS: I should have said this earlier, but this happened just after virtualbox was updated. [05:04] SpamapS: but I also read ubuntu had a kernal update? I dunno how it all works yet. [05:09] SpamapS: I'm not even able to putty in. [05:11] SpamapS: What are you looking for? [05:11] There'sa list of things [05:12] K09apache2, K10unattended-upgrades,README,S20sendsigs,S30urandom,S31urandom, S31umountnfs.sh,S35networking,S40umountfs,S60umountroot,S90halt [05:15] cluelessperson: the order looks right [05:17] cluelessperson: note that nowhere in there does 'single' appear, and none of those things run the 'runlevel' command, so thats pretty odd [05:17] SpamapS: This is a fresh install of ubuntu headless server 12.04 lts [05:19] cluelessperson: I've shutdown quite a few of those.. no problems. Never in vbox tho [05:20] SpamapS: I never had a problem until last night. [05:20] then, bam, disaster [06:16] you know.. ccze is really cool. Why isn't that just built in to gnome-terminal [06:16] ? [06:17] just like I can say in vim ":syntax on" and it highlights stuff.. I want that for the whole terminal === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === sjerk22 is now known as scriptjerk [06:50] guys is it doable to install Ubuntu on USB for KVM usage when you storage is local on disks ? [07:16] New bug: #1056643 in maas (main) "maas-dhcp does not remove existing dhcp server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056643 === th0mz_ is now known as th0mz === jacalvo_ is now known as jacalvo [08:24] how odd... grub canot be installed on a HP disk array! [08:45] hi - i played with apt-mirror so far - but am willing to test apt-cacher or similar now. would you recommend apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng [08:48] So ubuntu 12.04 is being an utter bitch right now under virtualbox. [08:48] not sure whose fault it is yet. === n0ts is now known as n0ts_off [09:39] Hey, for any advanced UFW users out there, does anybody know if this is possible to source another file in the before.rules file? [09:41] New bug: #957957 in qemu-kvm (main) "kvm: 7767: cpu0 unhandled rdmsr: 0xc0010001" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957957 === fire_ is now known as nerd [09:53] ok - got apt-cacher-ng working. any experiences how much space i should have at least for that cache-dir on a long time view? === KristianDK is now known as zz_KristianDK [10:21] New bug: #1056756 in openssh (main) "sshd: preauth child terminated by signal 11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056756 [11:05] I have a problem with 12.04, I installed ubuntu-desktop and now I'm stuck at login screen [11:07] darksim, try #ubuntu [11:08] there is no gui support in here === mcclurmc_away is now known as mcclurmc === Amoz_ is now known as Amoz [11:37] Hello everybody! does anybody have any pointers to documentation on how to deploy Openstack in a small environment with only a couple of TB of storage? I've found http://joearnold.com/2011/06/27/swift-in-the-small/ which talks about Swift. I would be interested in recommendations how the services are to be distributed in such a small deployment. If I'm thinking of a four node cluster, would each cluster run all the services? Any === cpg is now known as cpg|away [11:40] keeguon: re sourcing a file> I don't think so. the ufw *.rules files are just standard iptables-restore files. you could modify /lib/ufw/ufw-init-functions to pull it in, but that file is not a configuration file and will be overwritten on upgrades [11:43] jdstrand: that's what I thought and it doesn't seem to be possible directly in iptables either or I am missing something, my guess is that I'm going to highlight a portion of the file using specific comments and parse them to perform the changes I want [11:43] thanks anyway === zz_KristianDK is now known as KristianDK === KristianDK is now known as zz_KristianDK === gary_poster|away is now known as gary_poster === zz_KristianDK is now known as KristianDK === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [12:35] New bug: #1056816 in maas-enlist (main) "maas-enlist does not post subarch" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056816 === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara === melter_ is now known as melter [13:17] hello all [13:21] where can I see a list of precompiled kernel featues in ubuntu-server [13:21] i want to know if these 2 modules are precompiled -> "IP: advanced router" and "IP: policy routing" [13:22] in your /boot folder [13:23] yeah, whats in there? [13:23] i just see images [13:23] I see lots of config-* files [13:23] file /boot/config-$(uname -r) [13:24] not a directory [13:24] hi - i get hash sum mismatch while trying to install updates via my apt-cacher-ng machine [13:25] any experience with that and what is the best thing to do at that moment? is there a defined command to clean the cache or should i do that manually? [13:25] acidflash, every kernel I have used on ubuntu has had both those turned on [13:26] patdk-wk: by default right? === KristianDK is now known as zz_KristianDK [13:49] stgraber: ppa:serge-hallyn/virt has packages which work for me to fix the qxl bug. [13:50] stgraber: i'm preetty sure the spicy window is messed up at lightdm - offset. but after that it's fine. === zz_KristianDK is now known as KristianDK === niemeyer_ is now known as niemeyer === piv is now known as skrite [14:21] hey all === KristianDK is now known as zz_KristianDK [14:49] lfaraone|sh, hey, did you end up doing anything interesting with the instances? [15:08] Hello, i need to upgrade a ubuntu server from 10.04 to 12.04, but it seems not to do anything with apt-get dist-upgrade [15:10] is it with do-release-upgrade -d [15:14] BrixSat: -d is for the *dev* releas [15:14] BrixSat: do-release-upgrade w/o -d is what you want [15:14] ok :) [15:15] just in case i made a backup :) [15:16] it always complaining about "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" [15:16] i seem not to find solution for these [15:16] hallyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1228619/ [15:17] have you seen that ? [15:17] that is on canonistack. i got a node where i was actually able to load the kvm_intel module [15:18] (precise host, quantal guest) [15:26] Hey! I've difficulties to config my network between my host and virtual machine may some one help me to config it? :° [15:26] smoser: no, have not seen that. [15:26] smb ^ [15:26] smoser: i'm not entirely surprised, there was a bug with newer linux kernel guests on older kernel hosts doing nested kvm. but i thought it had been fixed. [15:26] hallyn, smoser nope [15:27] hallyn, But that bug would have prevented the module from loading [15:28] smoser: http://www.mail-archive.com/kvm@vger.kernel.org/msg72902.html [15:28] right. [15:28] previously the module would not load [15:29] i was surprised that it loaded (most intel canonistack guests can't load the module on quantal) [15:29] when it loaded, i assumed the host got the -updates kernel upgrade [15:29] (which is possible) [15:29] but then attempt to use it crashed [15:34] smb: ^ Avi mentions a proposed kvm kernel branch to fix it (big-real-mode) in that thread [15:34] Hm, I remember rtg to have submitted something about a regression in kvm... [15:36] KVM: VMX: Fix KVM_SET_SREGS with big real mode segments [15:36] http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1045027 [15:36] Launchpad bug 1045027 in linux "[regression] iPXE kills kvm with KVM: entry failed, hardware error 0x80000021" [Critical,In progress] [15:46] smb: thanks. proof positive that i need herbal supplmeents to augment my memory [15:48] not sure this is the same thin (though some keywords triggered that memory). I just saw them asking for feedback about some regression on the stable mailing list. === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch === SaMe is now known as SergioMeneses [16:39] smb, or hallyn you want me to open a bug on that ? [16:39] i can let either of you poke at the guest [16:40] but i have no access or info to the host other than i suppose its running some 12.04 kernel [16:48] smoser: yes, please. i do think it's a dup of the one smb mentioned, but it can always be marked as such later [16:49] oh. [16:49] ididnt' see that. [16:49] its quite possible and/or likely === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [16:49] interestingly, i did not se ethis yesterday [16:50] on quantal amd64 nested virt [16:50] hallyn, it would sure seem like a dupe though [16:50] so i'm not going to bother opening [16:51] smoser: ok === n2deep_ is now known as n2deep [17:19] hello. Is there a recommended directory (unbuntu-server 12.04) for installation of JBoss AS7 or glassfish? I have used just for testing /root ... [17:19] thank you in advance for any hints. [17:19] ironm: probably /opt/something, if it isn't packaged to live in /usr with other applications.... [17:19] ironm: check linux filesystem heirarchy (spelling?) on google.. [17:21] sarnold, thank you very much for your advice. no .. it is not a package ... just a .zip file you can unzip anywhere [17:21] ironm: ah. hrm. that's odd. [17:21] ignore me then :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:38] sarnold, I will use /usr/lib ... where you can find different softoware like java, postgresql etc ... [17:39] I setup MAAS and have 2 nodes ready. But I cannot login to them using 'ssh ubunt@node', although I have uploaded ssh key to MAAS. Tried several times install/reinstall, doesn't help. Does anyone have an idea? [17:43] utlemming: when will we be doing new 12.04 cloud images? [17:43] utlemming: already up to 50MB of packages to d/l [17:43] SpamapS: tomorrow....waiting on the Grub2 SRU [17:45] any idea if canonical is planning extended support for server distros? [17:45] in some cases, it'd be nice to have >5Y support [17:46] New bug: #1057054 in multipath-tools (main) "poor performance after upgrade to Precise" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057054 [17:48] Sep 26 17:44:12 clint-local-ci-u1-0 [CLOUDINIT] cc_apt_update_upgrade.py[DEBUG]: selected mirror at: http://ubuntu-mirror.localdomain/ubuntu [17:48] hrm.. === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara [17:53] *ugh [17:54] smoser: the logic that cloud-init uses to find if a mirror is resolvable is vulnerable to eeevil DNS [17:54] which my stupid cable provider has [17:54] SpamapS, fixed in quantal [17:54] cloud-init selects wrong mirror with dns server redirection Edit [17:54] Ubuntu [17:54] “cloud-init” package [17:54] Bugs [17:54] Bug #974509 [17:54] Reported by Chuck Short on 2012-04-05 [17:54] Launchpad bug 974509 in cloud-init "cloud-init selects wrong mirror with dns server redirection" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/974509 [17:54] 30 [17:54] This bug affects 4 people. Does this bug affect you? Edit [17:54] Affects Status Importance Assigned to Milestone [17:55] [17:55] cloud-init Remove [17:55] uh oh [17:55] [17:55] Fix Committed [17:55] [17:55] Medium [17:55] paste more! [17:55] [17:55] MORE! [17:55] Unassigned [17:55] MOAR! [17:55] [17:55] cloud-init (Ubuntu) Remove [17:55] Fix Released [17:55] [17:55] * SpamapS hoots [17:55] Low [17:55] [17:55] Unassigned [17:55] [17:55] Target to milestone [17:55] smoser: wtf? [17:55] Precise Remove [17:55] Triaged [17:55] choooochoooooo [17:55] [17:55] go smoser go [17:55] Medium [17:55] [17:55] Scott Moser [17:55] [17:55] Target to milestone [17:55] Also affects project (?) Also affects distribution Nominate for series [17:55] Edit [17:55] Bug Description [17:56] Hi, [17:56] I have Rogers as an ISP in the great white north, and use their DNS servers. However they run DNS redirectors so that when you get a bad domain then it does bogus things to the hostname. Anyways this resolves in unresovalble hosts in my /etc/apt/sou [17:56] OMG [17:56] whoops [17:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/974509 [17:56] Launchpad bug 974509 in cloud-init "cloud-init selects wrong mirror with dns server redirection" [Medium,Fix committed] [17:56] don't we have bots for this? [17:56] apparently not [17:56] you all suck [17:56] and if you keep complaining, i've got all sorts more text i can paste here! [17:56] smoser: but not you, sweetheart? ;) [17:56] but anyway, SpamapS that is fixed in quantal, and should be SRU'd [17:57] smoser: sweet. For now I just changed my DNS server to something sane [17:57] IMO if it's a security issue, perhaps fixing it in LTS would be a good idea? [17:57] security? Not sure about that [17:58] If you are letting your ISP do stuSep 26 17:44:12 clint-local-ci-u1-0 [CLOUDINIT] cc_apt_update_upgrade.py[DEBUG]: selected mirror at: http://ubuntu-mirror.localdomain/ubuntu [17:58] doh [17:58] * SpamapS also can't work the paste command [17:58] it will get fixed. and it was raised as a security issue too. [17:58] how so? [17:58] seems spamming smoser flooded everything, so it's a bit hard to read it all [17:58] but realistically... if you're in a "cloud" and you can't trust your dns server... [17:58] if your DNS is insecure, how can c-i protect you? === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [17:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1040200 [17:59] sorry, seems I jumped to conclusions [17:59] smoser: tho actually relying on DNS alone to pick the mirror does mean somebody can prvent you from installing updates just by DNS spoofing ubuntu-mirror... [18:00] 1040200 does not exist [18:00] use a secure DNS server [18:00] or its private [18:00] private [18:00] RoyK: no such thing really [18:00] no, not really [18:00] UDP and caching means DNS is just not trustworthy ever [18:01] just use tcp, then, most dns servers run on tcp these days [18:01] thats no fix [18:01] barely helps actually [18:02] RoyK: you have to verify whatever DNS has sent you to [18:03] well, the long term fix is dnssec [18:06] smoser: not sure I agree with the fix for this either. Its nice that you detected redirection in the naive sense, but it seems like the right way to go is to verify that the mirror has a valid signed set of distro metadata on it [18:07] * koolhead17 wakes up [18:15] SpamapS, that can be plugged in. [18:15] and you're welcome to add that. [18:15] :) [18:20] ppetraki: do you have a working git url for multipath-tools? [18:21] hallyn, yes, The suse guy runs it now [18:23] hallyn, git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/storage/multipath/hare/multipath-tools.git [18:23] * ppetraki be nice if we had a bzr branch that auto pulled this [18:24] ppetraki: if you'll be at uds we could spend an hour tryin gto set upa daily build recipe for multipath (including bzr branch pulling from git) [18:24] thx, got the tree :) [18:24] hallyn, will be remote, but I can make time either way [18:25] hallyn, It's been a brisk week in storage actually [18:28] mb downloads makes things go fast [18:29] ppetraki: oh? === mcclurmc is now known as mcclurmc_away [18:31] hallyn, yeah, did some triage on a slow SSD reset, a Dell SAN "multipath too slow" bug just came in (and he cited my docs!), discovered a bug in the docs (#1057071 , branch attached pls commit), and been helping this dude on linux-scsi with his SES enclosure, in the process learned a whole bunch of new stuff [18:35] hallyn: with the default lxc networking, is there a way to programatically query things like the host address? [18:36] ppetraki: can you do a merge request on https://code.launchpad.net/~peter-petrakis/ubuntu/precise/ubuntu-core-doc/serverguide-bug-1057071 ? (probably list pmatulis as the reviewer) [18:36] hallyn: seems hard coded in /etc/init/lxc-net.conf [18:36] SpamapS: as in, get the host address from inside the container? [18:37] hallyn: no, as in from the host [18:37] hallyn: we're moving juju to use lxc's networking instead of libvirt's [18:37] hallyn: but that loses the ability to say "what is the host address?" that libvirt has [18:38] you mean like eth0 or wlan0 address? [18:38] why do you want it? what are you trying to do? and how do you get it in libvirt? [18:39] I run services on the host [18:39] stgraber: ^ maybe you understand SpamapS' question/intent? [18:39] the containers have to contact them [18:39] can you pass it in with cloudinit userdata file? [18:39] yes thats how its being passed in [18:39] ok [18:40] right now it is accidentally working w/ the libvirt 192.168.122.1 address :-P [18:40] SpamapS: not sure I understand the question. If you want the host IP address, just use the container's gateway? [18:40] stgraber: well that won't *always* work for everyone, but in their case i think it always will [18:40] how we get it now: output = subprocess.check_output( [18:40] ["virsh", "net-dumpxml", name], env={"LC_ALL": "C"}) [18:41] hallyn, it's not mergeable? [18:41] SpamapS: so you want the address of lxcbr0? the answer i think is 'use ip', but that's probably not the q [18:41] stgraber: so I have to decypher it from the configuration which ends up on the container? :-/ [18:41] ppetraki: you have to do a merge request. I can't merge it [18:41] hallyn: that is actually ok if that works [18:42] I'll try that [18:42] SpamapS: ah, if that's on the host, just look at lxcbr0 or source /etc/default/lxc and use LXC_ADDR from there [18:42] SpamapS: well how much control do *you* have over the host? [18:42] hallyn: from juju? Very little. [18:42] SpamapS: oh, i thought you fully controlled how the continers and lxc were setup [18:42] i.e., you could create your own lxcbr1 if you wanted [18:42] I have sudo for lxc-* but I'd rather not extend that requirement much further [18:42] jujubr0 [18:42] Yeah I could do that [18:43] * SpamapS has to step away and will look at doing that too [18:43] SpamapS: if you don't wnat to use root much, it may not be the way to go [18:44] hallyn, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1229023/ [18:45] ppetraki: jinkeys, i don't know what that means [18:46] hallyn, even the original branch doesn't know it's stacked on serverguide/precise, according to lp.net [18:49] ppetraki: what if you 'bzr push lp:~peter-petrakis/serverguide/lp-1057071' then bzr lp-open ? [18:50] if that doesn't work for you, it seems to be working for me. I can do a merge request from lp:~serge-hallyn/serverguide/lp-1057071 (it seems). [18:51] hallyn, you know, it might be a group thing [18:51] hallyn, it's always done this [18:52] ppetraki: ok, i'll just go ahead and propose merge from mine, and bounce any feedback back to you? [18:52] hallyn, sure it creates a new branch, but its not stacked [18:52] hallyn, that would be great [18:53] ppetraki: https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/serverguide/lp-1057071/+merge/126527 [18:54] ppetraki: i assume we'll also want it to be applied to lp:serverguide? (it's past string freeze for quantal though) [18:54] hallyn, yeah, broken there too, SRUs all around :) [19:06] hallyn, hour turn around time, not bad :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+bug/1057054 [19:06] Launchpad bug 1057054 in multipath-tools "poor performance after upgrade to Precise" [Undecided,Invalid] [19:07] pmatulis: when you get a chance, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/serverguide/lp-1057071/+merge/126527 ? [19:10] stgraber: i'm waiting for feedback from you on bug 1056381 - lemme know if i shouldnt' be. [19:10] Launchpad bug 1056381 in xserver-xorg-video-qxl "error on x startup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056381 [19:11] New bug: #1057098 in openvswitch (main) "[FFe] Please update to 1.4.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057098 [19:11] hallyn: busy with other things, if I get to it this week, it's going to be on Friday [19:15] New bug: #1057100 in postfix (main) "Failed to install postfix during server install without network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057100 === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [19:21] stgraber: friday is coming up quick :) np, thanks === Amoz is now known as Staffan_Star === Staffan_Star is now known as Amz === Amz is now known as Amoz [19:31] New bug: #1057111 in tomcat6 (universe) "Sync tomcat6 6.0.35-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057111 === cpg|away is now known as cpg [20:12] zul: did you upload a new nova? [20:12] adam_g: yeah [20:12] rc3 was out this morning [20:13] adam_g: its still waiting to be approved by the archive admin [20:13] zul: okay, just wanted to set a requirement on the newer sqlalchemy. [20:14] k cool [20:14] zul: ill apply it to branches and it'll make it next time [20:30] when I do an 'ls -l' what does the '+' mean at the end of crw-rw---T+ [20:30] I'm having trouble googling it [20:40] allohak: see http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/security/acls_extended_filepermissions (search for acl) [20:49] guntbert: thanks, I'm reading through it now [20:50] allohak: You're welcome === completely_soake is now known as dobie_gillis === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:16] Hello happy people o/~ [21:16] allohak: btw, symbolhound is way better than google at searching for punctuation marks [21:16] I'm having trouble restoring a partition from its LVM snapshot: [21:16] http://dpaste.com/806508/ [21:17] sarnold: i've never heard of symbolhound, I'll check it out [21:17] allohak: http://symbolhound.com/?q=ls+-l+%2B [21:18] allohak: on that listing, probably the one "How do I create a file..." near the bottom is probably the best. [21:18] (not better than the source you've already got! that looks better based on the URL alone; but as a general, hey, symbolhound can help you with problems that otherwise look unsolvable, it's a useful tool.) [21:20] sarnold: interesting, this looks like it will be useful to me in the future actually. I'm a grad student so I often end up with some strange google queries that don't work terribly well because they contain crap like this [21:20] allohak: exactly :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === gary_poster is now known as gary_poster|away === zz_Kiall is now known as Kiall === Kiall is now known as zz_Kiall === jonconley_ is now known as jonconley === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [23:54] stgraber, if i click on 'Hello smoser' on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ [23:54] it tells me "Access denied"