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| jmarsden | Anyone know when the respun images for Beta2 will land in iso.qa.ubuntu.com? I'm about to try testing a server image, but it would be good to know when the desktop images will return. | 06:18 |
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| jmarsden | OK, I think queuebot just answered my question :) | 07:17 |
| Claudinux | Hi, is there any known issue with the tracker notifications? I only received notification for ubuntu-i386 new iso, but not for other images I subscribed | 07:35 |
| LuvLinuxOS | hi | 08:37 |
| kanliot | sup man | 08:38 |
| kanliot | let's say you join the qa team | 08:38 |
| kanliot | what would you expect? | 08:38 |
| kanliot | from the experience? | 08:38 |
| LuvLinuxOS | I would like to learn more about Lubuntu and become a better programmer! I lover this stuff and I really want to make a positive impact on a project. | 08:40 |
| kanliot | well if you want to learn lubuntu you could join the wiki team | 08:40 |
| kanliot | i suggested that you join the qa team | 08:41 |
| kanliot | because there's some other people learning qa | 08:41 |
| kanliot | and you could piggy back with them | 08:41 |
| kanliot | to be honest, the #lubuntu channel is a bit empty this month | 08:41 |
| kanliot | although we do try and answer general support questions there | 08:42 |
| LuvLinuxOS | I am waiting on approval from the qa team, I would like to do testing as it is a vital step in any development project! | 08:43 |
| kanliot | you might start with creating a wiki page | 08:43 |
| kanliot | i for one would like to know if you are a native english speaker | 08:43 |
| kanliot | your time zone, general technical profieciency | 08:43 |
| kanliot | see mine @ | 08:43 |
| kanliot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kanliot | 08:43 |
| kanliot | also mention your "project" | 08:44 |
| kanliot | if you need help editing a wiki page, please aks | 08:45 |
| kanliot | ask | 08:45 |
| kanliot | you could be wiki.ubuntu.com/LuvLinuxOS | 08:45 |
| kanliot | or wiki.ubuntu.com/YourName | 08:45 |
| kanliot | your nickname is fine | 08:45 |
| kanliot | although there are a lot of linux** people | 08:46 |
| LuvLinuxOS | cool, I am viewing your page now! | 08:46 |
| LuvLinuxOS | nice, we are about the same age and I am currently self-employed as well!!! I will create my wiki so that you I can share a little information also!!! Thanks so much for the reply and I look forward to working with you and the entire team!!! | 08:49 |
| kanliot | good! I'm not sure what you expect from the process, but if you have any questions please email me | 08:50 |
| LuvLinuxOS | Thanks kanliot | 09:26 |
| delta | hello, need some immediate help with ubuntu studio. | 09:49 |
| kanliot | !ask | 09:54 |
| ubot5 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 09:54 |
| delta | test case says : Note the state of the 'Erase disk and install Ubuntu Studio' radio button The 'Erase disk and install Ubuntu Studio' radio button should be checked. Click on the continue button (if there is only one hard disk in the system, the button should read 'Install now') If there is only one hard disk, the installer should skip to the "Where are you?' screen. Otherwise, the 'Installation type' screen is display | 10:02 |
| delta | My sys has only one hard disk. It doesn't read 'Install Now' as required and it properly jumps to 'Wherere are you' screen | 10:03 |
| delta | can that be considered a bug? | 10:03 |
| delta | I know, testcases are undergoing changes. | 10:04 |
| delta | just confused whether it's a problem with testcase or a problem with the image | 10:04 |
| kanliot | good question | 10:05 |
| delta | any suggestions?? | 10:09 |
| kanliot | ignore it | 10:10 |
| delta | okay. thanks! | 10:11 |
| kanliot | move on | 10:11 |
| delta | fine :) | 10:11 |
| kanliot | email indiana jones, tell him we have some questions about his test cases | 10:12 |
| delta | okay. | 10:13 |
| delta | sorry to ask this, where can i get the email id of indiana jones? | 10:13 |
| kanliot | uh bad joke | 10:14 |
| kanliot | if you want to follow up | 10:16 |
| kanliot | ping phillw when get comes into chat | 10:17 |
| delta | k. thanks. | 10:18 |
| Laney | ahoy | 10:26 |
| Laney | can somebody remind me where the mapping of packages to teams for the release tracking page lives? and can I edit it? | 10:26 |
| phillw | Laney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates | 11:35 |
| phillw | and yes, you can edit it. | 11:35 |
| Laney | I don't think that's what I'm looking for. | 11:36 |
| phillw | do you mean the actual test cases? | 11:36 |
| Laney | I don't mean anything about test cases | 11:36 |
| phillw | hmm, not sure what you're seeking? | 11:38 |
| Laney | jibel: perhaps you know? | 11:38 |
| Laney | ISTR a spreadsheet | 11:38 |
| kanliot | phillw you should scroll back see my convo with LuvLinuxOS | 11:50 |
| jibel | Laney, this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bryce/arsenal/2.x/view/head:/reports/package-team-mapping.csv ? | 12:01 |
| Laney | sounds right | 12:01 |
| * Laney thinks that should be team maintained | 12:03 | |
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| astraljava | balloons: elfy will be my successor for Xubuntu stuff, effective immediately. | 15:14 |
| elfy | ish | 15:14 |
| balloons | hehe | 15:15 |
| balloons | excellent choice | 15:15 |
| balloons | :-) | 15:15 |
| smartboyhw | balloons thinks it is fun, congrats elfy | 15:16 |
| * smartboyhw means having elfy being QA release manager is fun | 15:16 | |
| elfy | hi balloons | 15:36 |
| balloons | hi elfy | 15:37 |
| elfy | so then balloons I've been getting back into testing these omap things - what is it actually for - the arm things or whatever they are called | 15:38 |
| elfy | the end product is for ... | 15:38 |
| balloons | elfy, un momento | 15:38 |
| elfy | take as long as you like - I was just clarifying what I wanted to know :) | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | balloons, give me an explainiation for the latin un momento please:P | 15:39 |
| balloons | it's spanish for 'a moment' | 15:40 |
| balloons | un momento por favor is common even in english | 15:40 |
| balloons | as a moment please | 15:40 |
| * smartboyhw thanks balloons for Spanish:P | 15:43 | |
| phillw | sorry i missed QA meeting, my meeting was longer than planned then stuck in a traffic jam for 30 mins to tavel ~ 1,000 meters :/ | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | phillw: Some news for you | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | elfy is now Xubuntu QA Manager replacing astraljava | 15:44 |
| elfy | phillw: some time today when you have a minute - spare me a few :) | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | I am now Ubuntu Studio QA (and Release) Manager "P | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | *:P | 15:45 |
| phillw | elfy: now is a good time. Just caught up with IRC logs. | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | cya elfy phillw balloons nice testing everybody!:P | 15:49 |
| elfy | bye | 15:49 |
| * smartboyhw wonders if elfy is eager to see him leave:P | 15:50 | |
| balloons | pleasant dreams smartboyhw | 15:51 |
| balloons | :-) | 15:51 |
| smartboyhw | ;-) | 15:51 |
| balloons | ok, so let's chat elfy :-) | 15:51 |
| balloons | those arm things, yes | 15:51 |
| balloons | the key is that ARM work the same as x86 chips.. meaning, we want the same experience on both | 15:52 |
| balloons | you do want an ARM ubuntu laptop right? (I do!) | 15:52 |
| elfy | aah right | 15:52 |
| balloons | so the boards are development boards | 15:52 |
| balloons | intending to help developers write against them | 15:53 |
| balloons | and for us, to test against them :-) | 15:53 |
| davmor2 | balloons: No I want an amd64 bit laptop that lasts as long as an arm laptop | 15:53 |
| elfy | right - that makes some sense now - it was just this thing about 3 inches square :D | 15:53 |
| balloons | davmor2, ahh.. :-) | 15:56 |
| balloons | well actually those have come a long way too | 15:56 |
| balloons | I like having options | 15:57 |
| balloons | options means we as a buyer win | 15:57 |
| elfy | balloons: thanks - was not sure - am more sure now :) | 15:57 |
| balloons | so yes.. that's why it's small, and open | 15:59 |
| balloons | it's meant for tinkering and testing | 15:59 |
| njin | balloons, hallo howdi ? all ok ? | 16:27 |
| balloons | njin, good yourself? | 16:27 |
| balloons | busy busy.. but in a good way | 16:28 |
| balloons | good to be busy | 16:28 |
| balloons | we're churning out stuff :-) | 16:28 |
| njin | great then, that is exctasy | 16:28 |
| njin | I'm a little tired, but ok | 16:28 |
| balloons | Sto mangiando il pranzo :-) | 16:29 |
| njin | just moving firsts steps on wayland (curiosity) | 16:29 |
| njin | AAh you are learn9ng italian ? | 16:29 |
| balloons | I'm sorry to hear you are tired.. don't work yourself into exhaustion | 16:30 |
| balloons | ahh yes, wayland.. fun thing isn't it? | 16:30 |
| balloons | njin, no, sadly I don't know any italien | 16:30 |
| balloons | or how to spell it! Italian | 16:30 |
| njin | lo | 16:30 |
| njin | lol | 16:30 |
| njin | have you planned something here ' | 16:31 |
| njin | ? in italy | 16:31 |
| njin | much more i'm tired for the situation of the work here in Italy and for the future | 16:32 |
| njin | is anxiety mine problem | 16:32 |
| balloons | ahh yes.. I know it's not easy.. heck it's not easy anywhere | 16:32 |
| balloons | I ended up going to Germany | 16:32 |
| balloons | Italy was a bit too hard to get to this time around | 16:33 |
| balloons | but I will get there :-) | 16:33 |
| njin | Yes, Italy needs time | 16:33 |
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| ade | Evening all, hope testing is going well. | 18:14 |
| balloons | howdy ade | 18:14 |
| ade | Hey balloons | 18:15 |
| ade | balloons: Great work on the css theme again by the way, I only just noticed y'day how the grey title holds the top of the screen as you scroll down the various iso testcase summaries, nice touch! Did spot a small problem tho.. :op | 18:18 |
| balloons | sure -- what do you see? | 18:18 |
| ade | balloons: http://imagebin.org/229916 - Very small problem admittedly, see at the top right of the screen, the title text is under the bug summary images instead of above? | 18:22 |
| balloons | ade if you wish, file a bug on this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+filebug | 18:24 |
| balloons | though I agree.. and it may not be possible to change it due to browser rendering | 18:24 |
| ade | balloons: Ok, it's a minor issue so will raise it later on if I have time, doesn't really affect performance or clarity. | 18:28 |
| balloons | right right.. I'm wondering as I said if it's just browser rendeirng or if we could change it | 18:29 |
| ade | balloons: Am sure it can be changed, let me have a look in firebug and will see if a simple solution is available.. 5mins.. | 18:33 |
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| phillw | balloons: when you have a chance to draw breath, can you ping me - Thanks. | 19:31 |
| ade | balloons: Have a simple fix for the render issue if you'd like me to share? Only tested in firefox mind you. | 19:35 |
| balloons | ade, awesome | 19:36 |
| balloons | do you have an lp account? | 19:36 |
| balloons | if so, I'll do you one further | 19:36 |
| balloons | you can commit it :-) | 19:36 |
| ade | Yes I do! Ok then, be it on my head lol | 19:37 |
| balloons | ok, let me help then | 19:38 |
| ade | fire away :o) | 19:38 |
| balloons | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website | 19:38 |
| balloons | so what you do is branch that | 19:39 |
| balloons | bzr branch lp:ubuntu-qa-website | 19:39 |
| balloons | then make the changes, then propose for merging | 19:40 |
| balloons | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite/+register-merge | 19:40 |
| balloons | if you need help setting up bzr and using it, lp has some tutorials | 19:40 |
| ade | Ok... it's one line of code believe it or not but, am always up for a challenge so see how I get on :o) | 19:41 |
| ade | baloons: May I add you as a reviewer when proposing the new changes?? | 19:43 |
| balloons | ade, best to add stgraber actually | 19:47 |
| ade | balloons: no problem | 19:49 |
| silverarrow | hi | 20:00 |
| bdmurray | psivaa: can you tell me more about the steps to recreate bug 1056815? | 20:01 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1056815 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "'Could not restore packages from the previous install' error message when installed from live usb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056815 | 20:01 |
| phillw | hiyas silverarrow | 20:04 |
| balloons | jouas | 20:06 |
| balloons | hello | 20:06 |
| balloons | so, I've been thinking more about kanilot's ideas | 20:06 |
| balloons | did he get anywhere with posting them? | 20:06 |
| psivaa | bdmurray, i got this dialog box popping nearly at the end of an installation started from live usb | 20:06 |
| bdmurray | psivaa: and were you installing over an install? if so what version. how was the live usb made? | 20:07 |
| silverarrow | what is trouble with splash really? | 20:08 |
| psivaa | bdmurray, the usb was made using dd, if that's what you ask and i *think i was installing side by side on those instances, i could confirm that if you'd want | 20:09 |
| silverarrow | I need a new laptop it seems | 20:11 |
| silverarrow | and this time I want the very best one | 20:11 |
| silverarrow | not macbook pro, even if they are good | 20:11 |
| silverarrow | and I want one with full Ubuntu support, hardware acceleration and all | 20:12 |
| phillw | silverarrow: there are two joined, but slightly different issues... 1) kernel change 2) x-org change. that they both happened together has taken a while to settle out. | 20:12 |
| noskcaj | Why is there a beta build with no testcases? | 20:13 |
| silverarrow | yeah, the kernel and xorg change will improve os, but seems to need a real attempt to make all run fine | 20:13 |
| phillw | silverarrow: the good news? We know that you CAN install PPC, it just needs some tweaking. | 20:13 |
| silverarrow | great | 20:13 |
| silverarrow | I want to do it now | 20:14 |
| bdmurray | psivaa: yes it would be good to know the steps you took to produce the bug | 20:14 |
| silverarrow | it is all about tweaking and rebuilding packages I suppose, | 20:15 |
| psivaa | bdmurray, ok i assumed the message was because of live usb installation, so i did not really look into if its on a side by side install, but ill confirm that tomorrow | 20:15 |
| phillw | noskcaj: for the issues which arrived between the A3 being out there & the B1 arriving, with two critical components changed it has taken a while for the extremely limited number of PPC testers to be able to report bugs that can pooled together instead of a lot of bugs saying different things, but all affected by the same two facts. | 20:15 |
| phillw | silverarrow: follow the PPC-FAQ, you will have an working installation. | 20:16 |
| silverarrow | downloading beta | 20:16 |
| silverarrow | ;-) | 20:16 |
| silverarrow | have the ppc-faq been updated then? | 20:17 |
| silverarrow | I have been reading that page up and down several times | 20:17 |
| phillw | silverarrow: yes, as have the bug reports. | 20:17 |
| silverarrow | not lately though | 20:17 |
| phillw | bug 1040544 is now invalid and will be marked as such, it is an x-org bug. | 20:18 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1040544 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer dialog does not come up on PPC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040544 | 20:18 |
| silverarrow | so it was x-org all the time? | 20:19 |
| phillw | silverarrow: sadly not, it is a combination of a kernel change and x-org. Either can provide a fix so it appears, but getting an x-org fix for ppc is a less risky path than a full kernel respin that may cause regressions to all the other architectures. | 20:20 |
| silverarrow | several bugreports on that one I think | 20:20 |
| silverarrow | and I will likely get a system at least arguable running well? | 20:20 |
| silverarrow | respin? what? | 20:21 |
| phillw | silverarrow: the guys are reporting back that following the PPC-FQA that they are getting quite happy machines. | 20:21 |
| silverarrow | which is the best way to do testing | 20:22 |
| silverarrow | I mean, a system that at least runs some what | 20:22 |
| phillw | for liveCD, use Greg's proposed fix - that will hopefully be landing in the test case shortly (as soon as I receive it). that is the removal of splash. The one for 'black screen after re-boot following installation' requires the x-org file to be put in. | 20:23 |
| silverarrow | sorry, that is me logging in double | 20:24 |
| phillw | having the parameter for PPC set to nosplash I'm hoping is not a big job. | 20:24 |
| silverarrow | are there any hope to get the clever guys to look at the broken packages? | 20:25 |
| silverarrow | the packages that was broken in 12.04 I mean | 20:26 |
| silverarrow | some of them where soo close to work | 20:26 |
| psivaa | bdmurray, i could confirm that it's not a side-by-side installation, its a fresh single install started from a live session | 20:31 |
| bdmurray | psivaa: and is there a previous install on the system? I also asked for a file in the bug report | 20:31 |
| phillw | silverarrow: for the kernel, hopefully as it is accross distros (also affects red hat based systems such as CentOs, Fedora etc). It was only at the end of last week that the parts of jigsaw started to fit together and I've just had a crazy busy week with RL stuff. | 20:34 |
| phillw | bug 1043518 | 20:34 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1043518 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043518 | 20:34 |
| silverarrow | that is the real bug we have been struggeling with? | 20:35 |
| silverarrow | nice to have it sorted out finally | 20:35 |
| silverarrow | exiting when beta is coming a long | 20:37 |
| phillw | it lands nicely with the fix proposed by Greg, as you can see, it is something of a minefield. But I'm hopeful we can get that fix in for PPC. That is if Colin does not hire an assisination squad have have me deleted from www.earth :P | 20:39 |
| phillw | In the mean time, do it manually. | 20:40 |
| ade | balloons: Have done as you instructed, bzr dwnld later, ssh key generated and uploaded, downloaded source files but cannot find the CSS files anywhere? Are they held at a dif location?? | 20:44 |
| balloons | ade, yikes I hope I didn't mislead you :-) | 20:46 |
| phillw | balloons: some good(ish) news, it appears there is a fix at kernel level... Bad news? I don't think 12.10 are shipping with it :'( | 20:48 |
| phillw | i chased bug 1043518 through to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857300 | 20:49 |
| balloons | ade, one sec and let me go looking | 20:49 |
| ubot5 | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 857300 in kernel "Graphical environment doesn't appear or appears corrupted on certain NVIDIA adapters with plymouth 0.8.7" [High,Closed: errata] | 20:49 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1043518 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043518 | 20:49 |
| ade | balloons: no probs, I know you're more than busy | 20:49 |
| balloons | btw 'Install (entire disk with lvm and encryption)' has landed :) | 20:49 |
| phillw | balloons: there were a couple you wanted me to do, but the functionallity was not yet there. If they are now, poke me & I'll download the iso tonight. | 20:50 |
| balloons | phillw, what do you mean? | 20:50 |
| balloons | phillw, refresh my memory | 20:51 |
| balloons | i'm apologize as usual :-) | 20:51 |
| balloons | k, ade, having a loo | 20:53 |
| phillw | I think it was lvm / encryption etc. but that the iso had not been spun so I could not check the instructions... | 20:54 |
| balloons | ok, well it's up.. only in ubuntu desktop for now | 20:54 |
| phillw | about last Friday? (seems like last year!) | 20:54 |
| balloons | pretty much | 20:55 |
| phillw | good that they're up... one less thing nagging at the back of my mind.... Death by pecking is a possibility this release :P | 20:55 |
| silverarrow | kernel fixes, can they be launched later in an update? | 21:01 |
| silverarrow | or is it to many major adjustments that has to be made? | 21:01 |
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| silverarrow | I can`t find the new additions on the faq page? | 21:03 |
| silverarrow | ppc faq page | 21:03 |
| phillw | silverarrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64#Other_links | 21:05 |
| silverarrow | oh there, thanks | 21:06 |
| phillw | silverarrow: as we now have a lubuntu dev with actual harware, once he finishes screaming and is allowed out of the sanitorium for mentally infirm he will hopefully be better placed to find exactly what area a bug should be reeported to. | 21:07 |
| silverarrow | lol | 21:12 |
| silverarrow | poor guy | 21:12 |
| silverarrow | it looks good for lubuntu | 21:13 |
| silverarrow | I am glad | 21:13 |
| silverarrow | there are a few of us ppc users | 21:13 |
| silverarrow | is? | 21:13 |
| phillw | he is a lubunteer... and I'm sure having a piece of PPC kit for testing will not send him insane (Although I am expecting some 'interesting' emails from him... He and myself do email quite honest opinions on things :P ) | 21:13 |
| silverarrow | good | 21:14 |
| silverarrow | ;- ) | 21:14 |
| silverarrow | I am all for using the latest xorg and kernel though | 21:14 |
| phillw | silverarrow: and whilst no use for 12.10, the kernel issue does seem to have been addressed. I'll ask the PPC guys to test it out post Beta 2. | 21:14 |
| silverarrow | it often pays off if possible | 21:14 |
| silverarrow | I see | 21:15 |
| phillw | from what I see, it solves the radeon issue. | 21:15 |
| silverarrow | I think debian benefits from having lubuntu users too | 21:16 |
| silverarrow | even if it souds like to hit ubuntuers over the head with something hard | 21:16 |
| phillw | correction.. nvidea... | 21:16 |
| silverarrow | why do people respond to emails at the bottom ? | 21:17 |
| silverarrow | I`m not familiar with the nvida issues | 21:17 |
| silverarrow | you should write any reply at the top !!!!!! | 21:18 |
| phillw | silverarrow: all testers help eachother. It is an unwriiten rule. I run my *buntu's mainly in a VM on a CentOS system. I also run Chromium daily build, some days are better than others :P | 21:18 |
| silverarrow | yeah, but you one of the clever guys | 21:19 |
| silverarrow | I`m a mere mortal | 21:19 |
| phillw | but for laptop testing, I can boot into my other hard-drive which is 100% Lubuntu and can run CentOS in a VM. | 21:19 |
| silverarrow | which means beta 2 seems to be my limit for testing | 21:19 |
| phillw | silverarrow: I can assure you that I am not. I just read the manuals, follow blog posts and learn :) | 21:19 |
| silverarrow | if you ever posted on the debian forum you would now, you get ignored if you mentions ubuntu | 21:20 |
| silverarrow | or hit over the head | 21:20 |
| silverarrow | i am reading up on all I can too | 21:21 |
| silverarrow | it seems to sink in after a few rounds with the stuff | 21:21 |
| silverarrow | slowly | 21:21 |
| phillw | I have been made aware of the fact that they have 'different' culture on their forums to the snarling, saliva dribbling staffers and members on the ubuntu forum... no offence elfy :P | 21:22 |
| silverarrow | lol | 21:22 |
| phillw | silverarrow: one of the reasons I'm so passionate about writing stuff up to the wiki area is that I need to frequently check something out. | 21:22 |
| silverarrow | I`m not kidding with the debian forum | 21:22 |
| silverarrow | !! | 21:23 |
| silverarrow | which is great for the faq page | 21:23 |
| phillw | I've never had the dis-pleasure to be on there. After a couple of people told me about their experiences it went down tothe bottom of my list of areas to visit and say 'Hi' on :) | 21:24 |
| phillw | Fedora, I'm told, can also be sharp with people. I use the CentOS area. | 21:24 |
| silverarrow | I once had a arguably half mental guy chase me all over freenode, | 21:29 |
| silverarrow | I had picked him up in the fedora channel | 21:29 |
| silverarrow | telling me i should just leave all linux distros for good, it would never work on my computer | 21:30 |
| silverarrow | it was a bit weird | 21:31 |
| silverarrow | all in the past now | 21:32 |
| silverarrow | is there a way I can get the b43 package for quantal on a usb for | 22:25 |
| wxl | someone tell me i'm wrong but doesn't this suggest that if you run ppc to live and then run the installer from the desktop, the live session should actually have the b43 package and so the wireless should work? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.quantal/live | 23:13 |
| phillw | wxl: what version does it say is installed? | 23:16 |
| wxl | phillw: i dunno, but i was trying to answer silverarrow's question above | 23:17 |
| phillw | as am I, but then he vanished! | 23:18 |
| phillw | the one I see for Quantal is http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/quantal/multiverse/base/firmware-b43-installer | 23:18 |
| phillw | it is possible that either the Live-CD seed does not pull that one, or that the installer seed does not. I would need someone to confirm the issue. If the LiveCD is okay and the installer seed is not, then it should be a very easy bug to squish :) | 23:20 |
| wxl | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=b43-fwcutter | 23:23 |
| wxl | 1:015-14 | 23:24 |
| phillw | wxl: I don't see b43 onhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/lubuntu.quantal/desktop | 23:24 |
| phillw | It'd need to be followed up for the lubuntu-desktop meta package to see if it is on there. | 23:26 |
| phillw | wxl: seems we have a respin in progress! | 23:27 |
| wxl | well i'm just baffled about these seeds phillw | 23:27 |
| wxl | i THINK i understand tho | 23:27 |
| wxl | the "desktop cd" as we think about it is really desktop+live | 23:27 |
| wxl | cuz look at the desktop and show me where you see ubiquuity | 23:27 |
| phillw | wxl: I'm about nodding terms with them. I must REALLY set up a wiki page with where all the seed files are held to be more easily found (it is on the wiki area somewhere!) | 23:28 |
| wxl | i bookmarked it XD | 23:28 |
| wxl | i think we really need to get a good grasp on these tho | 23:28 |
| wxl | is there a mailing list or irc channel specific to the seeds? | 23:29 |
| wxl | or a team or something? | 23:29 |
| phillw | so, does the lubuntu-desktop meta package call in the b43? | 23:29 |
| phillw | wxl: it would be via L-QA mailing list (the devs also 'live' on there). | 23:29 |
| wxl | well no | 23:30 |
| wxl | the "live" task does :) | 23:30 |
| phillw | then it is an easy fix :) | 23:30 |
| phillw | Julien just needs to add it to the seed file. | 23:30 |
| wxl | the lubutnu-desktop? | 23:31 |
| phillw | if the b43 is not being called, then it does need to be called. That is a seed file issue & Julien is the one best to sort it out. | 23:31 |
| wxl | interesting: ubuntu.quantal/live does NOT have b43cutter or any of the other networking utilities | 23:31 |
| phillw | is it in their meta package? | 23:32 |
| wxl | nope | 23:32 |
| phillw | thenit deffinately one for Julien to look into :) | 23:32 |
| phillw | *then it is * | 23:33 |
| wxl | also i'd like to know why packages.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to list anything but amd64 and i386? ;) | 23:35 |
| wxl | for example, here's one we know exists: | 23:35 |
| wxl | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=quantal&arch=powerpc&searchon=names&keywords=firefox | 23:35 |
| phillw | I'm assuming that he has taken the two weeks off, so no fix for B2. but if silverarrow has the PPC hooked up via ethernet, he can go grab it from multiverse. That was going to be my suggestion to him to see if that solved the issue. If it did, then it needs simply adding to the seed file. | 23:36 |
| wxl | and it can be [powerpc] if no one else needs it | 23:36 |
| phillw | b43 is needed by more than just ppc | 23:36 |
| wxl | well there y ago | 23:37 |
| phillw | get him to raise a bug against lubuntu-meta re: b43 if you see him before I do. | 23:37 |
| wxl | what i'm confused about is this: if it's in live, shouldn't booting into the live session provide wireless connectivity? | 23:38 |
| phillw | Julien can then take a look as to why it is on Live-CD and not on desktop. chances are it was a simple oversight. | 23:38 |
| wxl | well i'm gonna post a message to the list | 23:38 |
| phillw | I *think* what silverarrow is saying is that b43 works in LiveCD but fails when installed. | 23:39 |
| wxl | ahhhhhh | 23:39 |
| wxl | now that makes sense | 23:39 |
| phillw | But, as he vanished, I am only 'assuming', which is a dangerous game! | 23:39 |
| wxl | it would never get installed in desktop | 23:40 |
| phillw | never ASSUME, as it makes an "ASS' out of 'U" and "ME". | 23:40 |
| wxl | :) | 23:40 |
| wxl | doesn't seem like it's restricted anymore | 23:40 |
| wxl | (which it shouldn't be) | 23:40 |
| phillw | nope, it got moved to multiverse, I think for 12.10 which may explain how it got missed. | 23:41 |
| wxl | sta is still in restricted | 23:41 |
| wxl | which doesn't make sense | 23:41 |
| wxl | it appears the change to multiverse is retroactive | 23:42 |
| phillw | they only get moved when they remove the copyright stuff. | 23:42 |
| wxl | goes all the way back to hardy without being stricted | 23:42 |
| phillw | changes can be requested, lots of nagging to those parties who are holding back on making them GPL releases is the way forward. | 23:43 |
| wxl | well it was big news there for a bit | 23:43 |
| phillw | nvidea drivers are one case I do recall from my forum days :) | 23:43 |
| phillw | wxl: I so love this status report... we should get it onto the Bug system as 'where is it up to' instead of triaged ... ""STALLED" means... that whatever code has been written is accumulating color and texture similar to that 3 week old slice of pizza in your fridge." | 23:47 |
| wxl | hah | 23:48 |
| wxl | so i'm thinking | 23:48 |
| wxl | there is no drivers specified on desktop | 23:48 |
| wxl | or core for that matter | 23:48 |
| wxl | i, in fact, have no idea how the drivers are installed | 23:51 |
| wxl | i've looked in minimal and standard (ubuntu) and nuttin | 23:51 |
| phillw | I simply lack the knowledge to do anything other than read them. The little I do know is that if something is missing from the seed (which has happened in the past), it is fairly easy for Julien to correct it. | 23:51 |
| wxl | well | 23:52 |
| wxl | i need to confirm now with silverarrow | 23:53 |
| phillw | b43-installer has been in multiverse since natty | 23:53 |
| wxl | where'd you find that? | 23:54 |
| phillw | From dim and distant memory, it would pop up after installation under 'hardware drivers' where the system said that it had found some hardware for which drivers were not installed. | 23:55 |
| phillw | I also remember that you do NOT install the modem one, as it invariably knocked out sound :) | 23:55 |
| wxl | XD | 23:56 |
| phillw | wxl: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/pm/firmware-b43-installer | 23:56 |
| wxl | for some reason (i suspect our dns cache) i can't connect to that page | 23:57 |
| phillw | actually, maverick, the one before! | 23:57 |
| phillw | wxl: http://pastebin.com/z9JXahrr | 23:58 |
| wxl | isn't hardy < maverick? | 23:58 |
| phillw | yes, but I said natty, which is > maverick :) | 23:59 |
| wxl | yes but i said hardy a million lines ago XD | 23:59 |
| phillw | I..J..K..L..M..N..O.. | 23:59 |
| wxl | i forget; it's late there | 23:59 |
| phillw | it is nearly 1 am, and I've had a busy day! | 23:59 |
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