[05:04] <superfly> Overcast and cool day today...
[05:04] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos I say hi
[05:04] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:08] <Kilos> morning fellas
[05:36] <magespawn> morning all
[05:36] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[05:36] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:00] <Kilos> sigh
[06:00] <magespawn> and now Kilos?
[06:00] <Squirm> morning
[06:00] <magespawn> nm?
[06:00] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[06:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:01] <Kilos> last night sound worked on xchat, today nothing
[06:01]  * Kilos cries
[06:01] <Squirm> I'd rejoice ;)
[06:01] <Kilos> lol
[06:01]  * Squirm waits impatiently for dd to finish
[06:02] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:02] <Squirm> morning Tonberry
[06:04] <Squirm> took a while...
[06:05] <Squirm> maaz: 430/60
[06:05] <Maaz> Squirm: 7.16666666667
[06:10] <Kilos> see now magespawn if i make a backup next install sound wont work either
[06:10] <Squirm> going to try get a terminal server running with edubuntu
[06:11] <magespawn> have you tried to restart the sound
[06:11] <Kilos> thats good for a school
[06:11] <magespawn> ?
[06:11] <Kilos> how does one restart sound
[06:11] <magespawn> not sure 
[06:12] <Kilos> login sound is there
[06:12] <Kilos> lol
[06:12] <magespawn> Maaz google how to restart sound in ubuntu
[06:12] <Maaz> magespawn: "Reset sound in Ubuntu 10.10 without restarting | Stream of Ry" http://rystraum.com/blog/2011/02/reset-sound-in-ubuntu-10-10-without-restarting/ :: "UBUNTU RESTART SOUND - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/186496/ubuntu-restart-sound :: "SoundTroubleshooting - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting :: "Restart Ubuntu sound processes via command line - Super User" http://sup
[06:12] <magespawn> i would try that last one
[06:12] <Kilos>  Maaz google how to restart sound in ubuntu 12.04
[06:12] <Squirm> ubuntu?
[06:12] <Maaz> Kilos: "sound - restore speakers / headphones option in ubuntu 12.04 - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/128099/restore-speakers-headphones-option-in-ubuntu-12-04 :: "SoundTroubleshootingProcedure - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure :: "no sound on ubuntu 12.04" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/no-sound-on-ubuntu-12-04-a-4175418706/ :: "[How to] Enable
[06:12] <Squirm> restart pulseaudio
[06:13] <Squirm> Kilos, run `pavucontrol`
[06:13] <Squirm> see if there's anything to help in there
[06:15] <magespawn> bbl
[06:16] <Kilos> when i change the volume on pavucontrol it makes a sound here but nothing in xchat
[06:16] <Kilos> go well magespawn 
[06:17] <Kilos> ill try jumpstart pulse
[06:18] <Squirm> Kilos: tried restarting xChat?
[06:18] <Kilos> yip even purging and installing again
[06:19] <Kilos> even deleted the xchat2 in home hidden
[06:19] <Kilos> lemme reboot
[06:22] <Kilos> sigh
[06:22] <Squirm> hmm
[06:22] <Squirm> turn sound on in xchat options?
[06:22] <Kilos> it is in alerts
[06:23] <Kilos> first thing i do so i can hear when someone chats to me
[06:23] <Kilos> had this once before with 11.04 and had to add my own sound files
[06:24] <Kilos> but now id rather clean install
[06:24] <Squirm> Kilos: can you play music?
[06:24] <Kilos> but so much work without a backup
[06:24] <Kilos> sec ill try
[06:26] <Kilos> vlc works kiff
[06:28] <Squirm> so sound works
[06:28] <Kilos> ya
[06:28] <Kilos> lol
[06:28] <Kilos> always something, no two installs are exactly the same
[06:29] <Squirm> yet they should be
[06:29] <Kilos> yeah
[06:30] <Kilos> with this last install even unity seems quicker
[06:30] <Kilos> maybe imagination
[06:30] <Squirm> edubuntu gave me the option of installing gnome-fallback as default :)
[06:31] <Kilos> ah
[06:33] <Kilos> whats lirc
[06:36] <Squirm> No software pantents! What is LIRC ? LIRC is a package that allows you to decode and send infra-red signals of many (but not all) commonly ...
[06:38] <Kilos> if you type in pulse in synaptic it says one package does something with lirc
[06:42] <Kilos> now i cant find which one it was again
[06:46] <Kilos> wbb
[06:51] <jrgns> morning all
[06:51] <Kilos> only xchat no sound
[06:51] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:54] <superfly> Kilos: then it's a problem with xchat
[06:54] <superfly> and Kilos, reinstalling a package doesn't usually fix an issue like that
[06:54] <Kilos> ya but xchat never gives probs
[06:54] <Kilos> lol
[06:54] <superfly> Maaz: google for xchat no sound
[06:54] <Maaz> superfly: "xchat.org • View topic - No sound directory" http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=687 :: "XCHAT FAQ" http://xchat.org/faq/ :: "No sound in stock xchat 2.8.4 | b-initials" http://bapoumba.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/no-sound-in-stock-xchat-284/ :: "how to setup xchat - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElC7eNy3BT4 :: "Download X-Chat Azure for Mac - IRC chat client ported from UNIX ..." http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/1107
[06:54] <Kilos> ty superfly i go see
[06:55] <superfly> Kilos: which version of xchat do you have?
[06:55] <Kilos> sec i look in synaptic
[06:56] <Kilos> 2.8.8-3 i think it is
[06:57] <Kilos> is there a better way to see versions
[06:58] <superfly> sometimes the app will tell you in its about window
[06:58] <Kilos> 2.8.8
[06:58] <superfly> Kilos: which version of Ubuntu do you have there? 12.04 ?
[06:59] <Kilos> yessir
[06:59] <superfly> and which xchat package do you have installed?
[06:59] <Kilos> the one in 12.04
[06:59] <superfly> no, xchat or xchat-gnome ?
[07:00] <Kilos> no not gnome that sucks
[07:00] <superfly> OK, cause they say the normal xchat doesn't come with sounds, and you have to add your own
[07:01] <Kilos> it worked last night and has worked since i started with 12.04
[07:01] <Kilos> it makes that bloep sound
[07:01] <superfly> oh
[07:14] <Kilos> hi not_found-droid 
[07:15] <not_found-droid> Hey uncle Kilos
[07:15] <superfly> hey not_found-droid
[07:16] <not_found-droid> superfly: alo 
[07:16] <not_found-droid> Back to work 
[07:18]  * Kilos greets drussell hows deegee
[07:19] <drussell> hehe good thanks Kilos, how 'bout you?
[07:19] <Kilos> good ty
[08:27] <Kilos> maccat, welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:28] <maccat> hellooo and thanx
[08:28] <Kilos> superfly, inetpro heres a new kubuntu user
[08:28] <Kilos> ians work colleage
[08:28] <Kilos> that thing
[08:28] <maccat> HI all
[08:30] <Kilos> Maaz, google gmail wont authorise pidgin
[08:30] <Maaz> Kilos: "#10334 (gtalk won't authorize) – Pidgin" https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/10334 :: "How to configure Pidgin to work with Google Talk | ManasT.com" http://www.manast.com/2007/05/11/how-to-configure-pidgin-to-work-with-google-talk/ :: "Howto: Configure Pidgin for Google Talk [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-436651.html :: "Jabber client configuration |" https://techknowhow.library.emory.edu/mi
[08:30] <Kilos> maccat, theres a few links you can look for gmail info
[08:30] <maccat> cool will get on it
[08:31] <Kilos> im sure its something to set at gmail just ndont remember what
[08:33] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-909717.html
[08:33] <Kilos> maccat, look at this one first ^^
[08:33] <maccat> kk
[08:35] <Kilos> hi Trix[a]r_za 
[08:42] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[08:42] <morgs> hiya
[08:48] <maccat> @Kilos looks like google talk and gmail are sepperate products 
[08:48] <maccat> but can be linked gonna attempt something in this line
[08:49] <Kilos> google talk is from the mail site or used on windows if i member right
[08:49] <Kilos> you dont need to put in the @ here
[08:51] <Kilos> some setting in gmail is not authorising you xmpp from pidgin
[08:57] <superfly> hiya morgs
[08:57] <superfly> maccat: if you hare a gmail account, you have a gtalk account too
[08:57] <morgs> hi superfly 
[08:58] <Kilos> superfly, when he puts his gmail account in pidgin it says not authorised
[09:00] <superfly> maybe he needs to enable it in his google account?
[09:00] <Kilos> thats what he doesnt know how to do at gmail
[09:00] <Kilos> nor me
[09:01] <superfly> http://support.google.com/talk/answer/24073?hl=en
[09:02] <Kilos> ty superfly maccat check this link ^^
[09:02] <Kilos> dunno why ian gave him kubuntu, i can only help with terminal stuff
[09:05] <maccat> my gmail account is a very old one
[09:05] <Kilos> did you look at this link
[09:06] <Kilos> http://support.google.com/talk/answer/24073?hl=en
[09:06] <maccat> it did not have gtalk as part of it i have created a new one and it works with pidgeon now
[09:06] <Kilos> oh good
[09:09] <maccat> k so how do i invite ppl to join me
[09:09] <Kilos> buddies at the top
[09:09] <Kilos> then add buddy
[09:10] <Kilos> im kilos@jabber.org
[09:27] <Kilos> hmm
[09:27] <Kilos> hi kodez 
[09:47] <kodez> hi uncle kilos, how are you?
[09:50] <Kilos> good ty kodez and you?
[09:50] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking
[09:51] <kodez> how to change file permission by default to user not root for all files
[09:51] <magespawn> superfly i am little confused with vpn, is OpenVPN foss or not?
[09:52] <Kilos> kodez, in your home?
[09:54] <kodez> yes. for my laptop
[09:54] <Kilos> i just chown my home
[09:54] <Kilos> sudo chown -R kodez:kodez /home/
[09:55] <magespawn> you should not need to do that though
[09:57] <kodez> i am using Lubuntu and by default it changes all files permission to root
[09:57] <superfly> magespawn: afaik, yes
[09:57] <magespawn> so i install in on my shop server and run it from there?
[09:59] <Kilos> superfly, my sound goes deeper than xchat , thunderbird has no sound and freecell too
[09:59] <Kilos> but dont worry about it ill reinstall if i dont get it going
[10:00] <Kilos> havent tried fsck yet
[10:00] <Kilos> or recovery
[10:05] <superfly> kodez: probably because you did something wrong, like running an app as root
[10:06] <superfly> magespawn: I haven't run it in recent years, but I'm sure you can do something like that
[10:07] <superfly> magespawn: wy do you want to run OpenVPN?
[10:07] <magespawn> want to try and set up a vpn, learn by doing
[10:09] <superfly> ah, ok
[10:09] <superfly> ya, openvpn is probably a good way to start
[10:09] <magespawn> also busy trying a ftp server to do remote backups
[10:10] <magespawn> Love the Woooosh
[10:11] <superfly> magespawn: please, no. leave FTP to die in solitary misery
[10:11] <superfly> if you wnat to do remote backups, use scp or rsync
[10:11] <superfly> *want
[10:12] <magespawn> okay but is there a way to get that to work with windows?
[10:13] <magespawn> and the backup program offers ftp already
[10:13] <kodez> superfly, i didn't do anything. from installation that's what i'm faced with
[10:14] <superfly> magespawn: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
[10:14] <magespawn> ty
[10:14] <superfly> magespawn: and you do get rsync for Windows
[10:15] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[10:15] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[10:15] <inetpro> magespawn: ^^
[10:18] <magespawn> ty guys
[10:22] <magespawn> okay so sftp is better but is that not still based on ftp?
[10:29] <superfly> sftp is not ftp, it is an alternate protocol that uses SSH
[10:29] <magespawn> ahh
[10:36] <magespawn> could you still use vsftp to do sftp?
[10:36] <superfly> no, that's an FTP server, SFTP != FTP
[10:36] <superfly> magespawn: you already have all the tools you need to do SFTP
[10:37] <magespawn> okay will go do some more research then
[10:44] <magespawn> you would still need to set up accounts on a per user basis with keys for each account?
[10:49] <magespawn> okay now i am lost what the heck is ftps? secure ftp?
[10:54] <tumbleweed> ftp + ssl
[10:54] <tumbleweed> confusingly, some people say SFTP when they mean ftps
[10:56] <magespawn> okay 
[10:57] <magespawn> any pointers here would be welcome, a little lost
[10:57] <Kilos> aw wassup magespawn 
[10:58] <magespawn> ftp, ftps and SFTP
[10:58] <Kilos> i mkissed everything methinks
[10:58] <Kilos> hehe
[10:58] <Kilos> is that virtual networking
[10:59] <magespawn> file transfer by various means to remote or from remote machines
[10:59] <Kilos> what are you networking with, alla shop pcs?
[10:59] <magespawn> yup and was looking to try a remote backup through the internet to my shop server
[11:00] <Kilos> eish work it out i wanna know that too when i get the guts to go the dhcp iptables thing again
[11:00] <Kilos> why dont you do backups with deja-dup to ubuntuone
[11:00] <Kilos> its the first option in deja-dup
[11:01] <Kilos> i had to fight it to get them local
[11:01] <Kilos> i think then after that ubuntuone syncs them daily
[11:01] <magespawn> there is a fairly nice program called Cobian Backup that works well with windows that supports remote backup via ftp
[11:02] <Kilos> oh windows
[11:02] <Kilos> ouch
[11:02] <magespawn> yup of course
[11:03] <Kilos> xp or 7
[11:03] <magespawn> 7
[11:03] <magespawn> and probable xp, experimenting with my hardware
[11:04] <Kilos> there is an irc channel called windows
[11:04] <Kilos> #windows
[11:05] <magespawn> yes that side i had not got to yet
[11:05] <Kilos> 448 peeps there
[11:05] <magespawn> was looking into the software i would need on my ubuntu server
[11:06] <Kilos> aha write down hey, ian is also going ubuntu server with windows pcs
[11:06] <Kilos> and Squirm 
[11:06] <Kilos> but he going lubuntu server
[11:08] <Kilos> my sound prob seems to be a bad mate install. works on unity
[11:09] <Kilos> first time that happened to me
[11:12] <magespawn> these things happen
[11:13] <magespawn> but f
[11:14] <Kilos> nearly installed 12.04 from scratch
[11:14] <magespawn> again?
[11:14] <magespawn> sftp built into OpenSSH?
[11:15] <Kilos> lol ya again
[11:17] <Kilos> magespawn, ubuntuone works with windows as well
[11:19] <magespawn> i want to have the backup locally
[11:20] <Kilos> one backup for all pcs?
[11:20] <magespawn> one backup per user/customer if i can get it to work
[11:21] <Kilos> whew
[11:23] <Kilos> if you cant look at ubuntuone. maybe with one main backup folder there with individual folders in it as per customer it can sync the whole main folder to one pc by you as they back up each his own
[11:23] <Kilos> sorry for bugging you
[11:23] <Kilos> just an idea
[11:24] <Kilos> takes my mind off where my mates sound went
[11:24] <magespawn> no worries Kilos
[11:43] <Kilos> hehe have you noted smileyborg gave up on us
[11:51] <magespawn> yup i saw
[11:56] <magespawn> bbl
[11:57] <Kilos> inetpro, waar is jy
[13:54] <zeref> tumbleweed: Do you knwo if the python-evolution module is still under active development?
[13:56] <zeref> I'm busy looking to the API documentation for it: its keeps sending me to http://doc.conduit-project.org/evolution-python/
[13:56] <tumbleweed> zeref: does this help answer that? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python-desktop/2.32.0+dfsg-2ubuntu1
[13:57] <tumbleweed> in general, gnome-python-desktop appears to be on the way out
[13:57] <tumbleweed> you should be using gobject introspection these days, I think
[13:58] <zeref> hmmm
[14:00] <zeref> need to look around to see if it works with eveolution-data-server
[14:40] <inetpro> Kilos: ek's hier... dit is jy waar kom en gaan
[14:41] <Kilos> skuus man ek sien nou net as ek die kable in het vrek my 3g
[14:41] <Kilos> lyk my hulle wil nie al twee nm gebruik nie
[14:51] <Kilos> inetpro, lotsa experimenting to do with networking its very frustrating at times
[14:51] <Kilos> so forgive me if i disappear evry now and then
[14:52] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[14:53] <inetpro> it's part of the learning experience
[14:53] <Squirm> good afternoon
[15:01] <Kilos> avy Squirm 
[15:01] <Kilos> your server going?
[17:12] <Kilos> yo smile 
[17:15] <smile> hallo :p
[17:25] <magespawn> evening all
[17:25] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[17:25] <smile> brb
[17:25] <magespawn> whats up Kilos?
[17:25] <Kilos> this is a lekker channel you know
[17:25] <Kilos> guys dont fight and be nasty here
[17:26] <magespawn> very thats why i spend so much time here
[17:26] <magespawn> and they know a lot
[17:27] <Kilos> im still building up the guts to go try the networking thing again but wanna try with gnome-ppp and/or sakis3g instead of nm for the 3g connection
[17:27] <magespawn> can you only connect the pc's with a cable?
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah when i plug the cable now 3g disconnexts after a while till i unplug cable again
[17:30] <Kilos> pity i didnt try this when i was still running maverick on 2 pcs
[17:31] <Kilos> oh can still do that from other drive here with maverick
[17:31] <magespawn> we need to try and get to the bottom of why it does it
[17:32] <Kilos> yeah thats why i wanna try maverick and hopefully see where the weak point is
[17:32] <Kilos> might even be the mb not happy with 3g and cable onboard
[17:33] <Kilos> i dont know enough
[17:34] <magespawn> i still think is trys to use the cable as the default route for internet traffic
[17:35] <magespawn> my tablet uses wifi as the default rather than 3g so i have turn that off when at home
[17:38] <Kilos> eish
[17:38] <Kilos> theres lots online about using wifi but min about cable and 3g
[17:39] <Kilos> wifi and cable seems to be mostly available on mod machines
[17:40] <smile> I bought a USB to LAN adapter today :) for my laptop :p
[17:40] <smile> and it worked :)
[17:40] <Kilos> yay
[17:42] <Kilos> the frustrating part here is i could use both pcs to 3g for one night without a problem then nm crashed next morn on booting
[17:42] <smile> it was from China, lol :p
[17:42] <magespawn> smile does your laptop not have a lan port?
[17:42] <Kilos> so i know it can work
[17:42] <smile> no, it's a very small one :)
[17:43] <Kilos> lol he has a small lap
[17:43] <smile> 13.3 inch :p
[17:43] <smile> ultrabook :p
[17:43] <magespawn> more a netbook
[17:43] <smile> yea :p
[17:43] <magespawn> those adaptors are supposed to work for all sorts of things like printers etc
[17:43] <smile> :DD
[17:44] <smile> it only costed me 12 euros :)
[17:44] <magespawn> wanted to get one to test it with a phone/tablet etc
[17:45] <smile> :)
[17:47] <magespawn> cool smile, any problems setting it up?
[17:47] <smile> yes :p the driver cd was really messy
[17:48] <smile> but after 15 minutes I found out what program to start
[17:48] <smile> :)
[17:48] <smile> windows xp has built-in support (according to the maker) :p but vista/7 do not :p
[17:49] <smile> but there were drivers on that cd
[17:49] <smile> :)
[17:49] <smile> even for linux :p
[17:51] <magespawn> thats pretty cool
[17:59] <smile> yeaa :D
[18:27] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight
[18:28] <Kilos> i go dream about networking
[18:28] <not_found> :)
[18:28] <Cantide> >_<
[18:28] <smile> bye :)
[18:28] <smile> everyone
[18:28] <Cantide> TV is no small task in Linux
[18:28] <Cantide> i think i'm 90% there
[18:28] <smile> :P
[18:29] <smile> good luck, Cantide 
[20:31] <Kerbero> tv in linux?
[20:31]  * Kerbero has no problem with his dvb-t2 receiver in linux