[13:17] <astraljava> Upsides are bad. You need challenges so that you will progress.
[13:17] <ochosi> o hai astraljava 
[13:17] <smartboyhw> wb astraljava 
[13:20] <astraljava> We're having a meeting today, correct?
[13:20] <smartboyhw> balloons and phillw miss you astraljava ;P
[13:20] <smartboyhw> astraljava, should be
[13:20] <ochosi> aha?
[13:20]  * ochosi wasn't aware of the meeting
[13:21]  * smartboyhw thinks if astraljava comes to today's QA and Xubuntu meetings everyone will rejoice;P
[13:23] <SkippersBoss> what time 1500 utc ?
[13:23] <smartboyhw> SkippersBoss, should be
[13:23]  * smartboyhw goes to the QA one first then jumps to here
[13:23] <SkippersBoss> or whenever knome would see fit lol
[13:23] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:23] <astraljava> smartboyhw: That's the thing I want to discuss in today's meeting, actually.
[13:24] <smartboyhw> astraljava, oh? What do you mean?:P
[13:25] <astraljava> You'll see in ~2 hours.
[13:25] <astraljava> :)
[13:26] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ;P
[13:26] <astraljava> Well actually in less than that, I'll give a heads-up on QA for Nick and Phil.
[13:27] <smartboyhw> +1 
[14:35] <knome> ochosi, yeah, we have a meeting today
[14:40] <ochosi> knome: nice, i might even make it :)
[14:40] <knome> ochosi, great!
[14:40] <knome> ochosi, we will most probably have a lightning short meeting really
[14:40] <ochosi> yeah, not sure there are any real issues on the agenda, or are there?
[14:40] <ochosi> unless we wanna talk about R planning
[14:40] <knome> no, not really
[14:40] <knome> nope, definitely not
[14:40] <knome> i'm not home
[14:41] <knome> there's really no old items, no team updates, just one announcement
[14:41] <knome> is there people who could run or two xubuntu tests today?
[14:43] <bluesabre> I possibly could this evening
[14:43] <knome> yeah, we actually have time until 12UTC tomorrow
[14:44] <elfy> I can tomorrow morning knome 
[14:44] <knome> elfy, great!
[14:44] <elfy> be well beofre 12 utc
[14:44] <knome> can you cooperate on what tests people are going to run
[14:44] <knome> i can run any
[14:44] <knome> so just leave me the ones you can't do easily
[14:44] <elfy> I can do either but not vm 
[14:45] <knome> real hardware is kind of better anyway...
[14:45] <ochosi> knome: any result with the icon-theme update?
[14:45] <elfy> I meant wubi - but that's not there anymore 
[14:45] <knome> ochosi, we'll update it after b2
[14:45] <knome> elfy, yeah, we dropped wubi support :)
[14:45] <ochosi> knome: ok, sounds good
[14:45] <knome> ochosi, yeah, easier to get it in that way (we got uife/ffe already)
[14:46] <elfy> knome: I can do any of them except autoresize - not sure I'd trust it
[14:46] <knome> ochosi, as you probably noted from the bug
[14:46] <ochosi> btw, for R blackbird will become a dark theme, not mixed as it was up to now
[14:46] <knome> elfy, well, that's probably why you should =)
[14:46] <elfy> ha ha 
[14:46] <knome> elfy, but if you don't want to, that's ok
[14:47] <elfy> well I could but I'd be disconnecting media drive :D
[14:47] <knome> yeah, fine
[14:47] <knome> but really, it's ok if you don't want to do that
[14:47] <knome> i can do it under vbox
[14:48] <elfy> knome: how about I check in here first thing - look at the tracker see what's been done and let you know what I can do 
[14:48] <knome> elfy, nothing's been done right now
[14:48] <knome> erh, can somebody update the wiki? i'm not home and i don't remember my pass
[14:49] <elfy> knome: yea - but I'd assume that by tomorrow someone will have done something 
[14:49] <knome> in  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[14:49] <smartboyhw> knome, what to update?
[14:49] <knome> add "update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 and prepare beta2 release announcement in xubuntu.org" for "announcements
[14:49] <knome> +"
[14:51] <elfy> there's and edit conflict now :(
[14:51] <knome> haha :)
[14:52] <knome> try to get it sorted boys ;)
[14:52]  * smartboyhw ha an edit conflict with elfy
[14:52] <elfy> smartboyhw: I've done it already 
[14:52]  * smartboyhw will not edit it
[14:53] <elfy> well after all that I hope that's what you meant knome :D
[14:53] <knome> elfy, yep
[14:53] <knome> looks fine
[14:53] <elfy> okey doke
[14:53] <knome> heh
[14:53] <knome> there's still some extra text
[14:53] <knome> look after "schedule next meeting" :D
[14:54] <knome> that should be after the line i posted
[14:54] <knome> ;)
[14:55] <elfy> knome: so - getting back to tests - I'll look at about 6/7UTC at what there is to do and let you know what I can do in time
[14:55] <knome> xubuntu community meeting in 5 minutes at #xubuntu-devel, everybody welcome
[14:55] <knome> elfy, yep, sounds good :)
[14:55] <knome> though i'll probably not be around then, but letting the channel know sounds good
[14:56] <elfy> ok
[14:58] <elfy> I hope that xubuntu will install on a new machine or I'll have to look at kde :(
[14:58] <elfy> :p
[14:58] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:58] <knome> haha
[14:58] <knome> elfy, it will.. ;)
[14:59] <elfy> first time seeing how this secureboot stuff works I think
[14:59]  * smartboyhw doesn't want to mention he will stick to xfce again sicne elfy wants to keep that sentence:P
[14:59] <knome>  
[14:59] <knome> oopd.
[14:59]  * elfy has spies everywhere noting down instances of smartboyhw installing other things 
[15:00] <knome> oops too, not oop daemon
[15:00] <elfy> :)
[15:00]  * smartboyhw runs away from elfy and maybe ignores him
[15:00] <smartboyhw> meeting time in my ubuntu studio
[15:00] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:01] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep 26 15:01:38 2012 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <knome> who's around for the meeting?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> \o
[15:01] <astraljava> o/
[15:02] <knome> #chair astraljava 
[15:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: astraljava knome
[15:02] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: stop lurking at #shimmer 
[15:02] <ochosi> o/
[15:02] <knome> #chair ochosi 
[15:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: astraljava knome ochosi
[15:02] <bluesabre> meeting at work, sorry
[15:02] <knome> #topic Items carried on
[15:02] <knome> bluesabre, np :)
[15:03] <knome> #action knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS
[15:03] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to draft flyer looks hopefully before UDS
[15:03] <knome> that's the only item carried on.
[15:03] <knome> #topic Team updates
[15:03] <knome> let's go wildly, there isn't too much updates anyway
[15:04] <knome> #info the new offline docs have landed to b2
[15:04] <ochosi> #info latest theme fixes have landed in b2, hopefully it'll be a smooth experience from now on
[15:05] <knome> #info pleia2 prepared a draft for the flyers
[15:05] <knome> i suppose that's it
[15:06] <knome> #info thanks everybody for getting the work items done! see http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu.html for the awesome looking graph
[15:06] <knome> #topic Announcements
[15:07] <knome> #subtopic Changes in team leads positions 
[15:07] <astraljava> Alright, I'll be stepping down from my position as QA lead, effective immediately unless otherwise agreed.
[15:07] <knome> astraljava, the floor is cleared for you for the boogie-dance
[15:07] <ochosi> :'(
[15:07] <knome> astraljava, acking that it's ok to step down immediately.
[15:07] <ochosi> what's the good news?
[15:07] <elfy> indeed :(
[15:07] <astraljava> I'll be here less?
[15:07] <knome> #info astraljava will no longer be serving as the QA lead, effective immediately
[15:08] <ochosi> oh wow :)
[15:08] <ochosi> bummer
[15:08]  * smartboyhw cries again...
[15:08] <knome> astraljava has told he's going to do more of the programming stuff if life allows :)
[15:08] <knome> he's not going to disappear completely
[15:08] <astraljava> We can chat about unofficial stuff after the meeting.
[15:08] <knome> that's the good news
[15:08] <knome> yup
[15:08] <ochosi> ok :)
[15:08] <ochosi> astraljava: anyway, i think you did a really swell job there!
[15:09] <ochosi> astraljava: thanks a lot
[15:09] <knome> yup, thanks astraljava 
[15:09] <smartboyhw> thx astraljava 
[15:09] <astraljava> Thanks, appreciated!
[15:09] <knome> it took a lot of things i wasn't familiar with off my shoulders
[15:09] <ochosi> knome: well now you have them back, how does it feel? :)
[15:09] <astraljava> Oh, one more thing related to this.
[15:09] <knome> ochosi, i'll just redelegate :P
[15:10] <elfy> lol
[15:10] <astraljava> I want to announce this on ubuntu-qa and ubuntu-release, so who shall I name as my replacement?
[15:10] <ochosi> knome: yeah, who do you re-delegate to?
[15:10] <knome> astraljava, i will take the tasks for release manager
[15:11] <astraljava> OK. Takers for QA contact person?
[15:11] <knome> is there volunteers for sending reminders to test the ISOs and all that other QA stuff?
[15:11] <elfy> depends what's involved 
[15:11] <astraljava> Mostly a weekly meeting on -qa.
[15:12]  * smartboyhw wonders if he just got astraljava's position in Ubuntu Studio can he also do the Xubuntu one...:P escapes
[15:12] <knome> and what i said ^
[15:12] <elfy> I'm happy to do it - but not sure whether I'd manage the tasks as I con't know then
[15:12] <astraljava> Keeping in touch with development of Xubuntu, staying up-to-date with vanilla, in relation to our flavor.
[15:12] <elfy> s/don't
[15:12] <knome> elfy, we'll help you with it
[15:12] <elfy> ok then 
[15:12] <astraljava> elfy: I'm not fully going away, so you can always ask.
[15:12] <knome> great! :)
[15:13] <astraljava> Don't think you'll need mentoring, but some sort of that stuff. :)
[15:13] <knome> #action knome will take the release manager tasks from astraljava
[15:13] <meetingology> ACTION: knome will take the release manager tasks from astraljava
[15:13]  * elfy squeezes 25th hour into day
[15:13] <elfy> astraljava: thanks :)
[15:13] <knome> #action elfy will take the QA contact person tasks from astraljava
[15:13] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy will take the QA contact person tasks from astraljava
[15:13] <astraljava> You might want to reconsider that, elfy...
[15:13] <knome> thanks elfy!
[15:13] <elfy> lol
[15:13] <astraljava> Spoke too soon?!
[15:13] <elfy> welcome
[15:13] <knome> so, next item
[15:13]  * smartboyhw congrats elfy and hopes that 25th hour wouldn't be wasted:P
[15:13] <knome> #subtopic Update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 and prepare beta2 release announcement at xubuntu.org
[15:14] <knome> yeah, so we need to update those
[15:14] <knome> i will take care of the former once the latter is done, preferably today
[15:14] <knome> those in the xubuntu-team can access and edit the draft, just login with ubuntu SSO at xubuntu.org/wp-admin
[15:14] <knome> feel free to add anything you think might be worth mentioning
[15:15] <knome> it's easier to remove stuff than think if we missed something...
[15:15] <elfy> well I'd be inclined to let people know they might get 2 instances of drives on desktop/in thunar
[15:16] <knome> oh, right
[15:16] <knome> since elfy is the QA contact person now, i'll add him to ~xubuntu-team at LP later today
[15:16] <elfy> disconcerting to say the least
[15:16] <knome> elfy, so you'll get to update that yourself.
[15:16] <knome> :)
[15:16] <elfy> :)
[15:16] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:17] <knome> so, that's it for the announcements
[15:17] <knome> #topic New and emerging stuff
[15:17] <knome> any other topics we should cover?
[15:17] <elfy> panic in the QA department? 
[15:18]  * smartboyhw calls mayday then
[15:18] <knome> is there panic?
[15:18] <ochosi> wondering whether we should start to collect all R-related stuff in one place at some point
[15:18] <knome> oh right
[15:18] <ochosi> i mean right now there are a few blueprints and specs
[15:18] <ochosi> but they're a bit scattered
[15:18] <knome> #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/R
[15:19] <ochosi> oh good
[15:19] <knome> will make that the default page for Roadmap soonish
[15:19] <knome> and there's the main blueprint too...
[15:20] <ochosi> actually i'll quickly update that page a bit
[15:20] <knome> if only i can find that
[15:20] <ochosi> there are a few issues that could be dropped, because they actually belong to xfce
[15:20] <knome> #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-r-flavor-xubuntu
[15:20] <knome> that
[15:21] <knome> let's get back to those a bit more informally during the next week(s)
[15:21] <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting
[15:21] <knome> is there any reason why we should have a meeting next week?
[15:21] <ochosi> dunno, any b2 related stuff we need to discuss?
[15:21] <ochosi> (i don't think so)
[15:22] <knome> not really, unless things break horribly
[15:22] <knome> which we don't hope to happen, so...
[15:22] <ochosi> k, sounds good
[15:23] <knome> so two weeks from now?
[15:23] <knome> it's about a week before release
[15:23] <ochosi> why not
[15:23] <knome> and a day after final freeze :P
[15:23] <knome> but a day before RC
[15:24] <knome> #info next meeting: 2012/10/10, 15UTC
[15:24] <knome> #endmeeting
[15:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep 26 15:24:11 2012 UTC.  
[15:24] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-09-26-15.01.moin.txt
[15:24] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-09-26-15.01.html
[15:24] <knome> thanks
[15:24] <knome> i'll put the meetings up later again
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Thx knome, congrats elfy and thx astraljava 
[15:25] <elfy> astraljava knome - I'll let you know in the channel I invited you too :)
[15:25] <ochosi> knome: never sure what to add to the release-notes. "new and better artwork"? i could write that every release...
[15:26] <knome> ochosi, yeah, it's good to mention that every time.
[15:27] <ochosi> k, i guess my stuff is already there
[15:27] <ochosi> artwork and parole mostly
[15:42] <GridCube> D: there was a meeting?
[15:42] <knome> yep
[15:42] <knome> anyway, i'm not really off
[15:42] <knome> see you all later!
[15:42] <GridCube> there was a mail about i missed it?
[15:42] <knome> not sure
[15:42] <knome> probably not, but the meetings page would have told you
[15:42] <smartboyhw> GridCube, yes you missed the meeting clearly:P
[15:43] <knome> you should probably subscribe to the meetings wikipage
[15:43] <knome> to get notifications of changes
[15:43] <knome> :)
[15:43] <knome> let's look at that later.
[15:43] <knome> see you!
[15:43] <knome> ->
[15:43] <GridCube> :/
[15:44] <smartboyhw> GridCube, don't worry:)
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Just some er HR changes:P
[15:45] <astraljava> ochosi: So yeah, about my future contributions; I'll start doing less regular activities, cause what I'm about to start won't permit as constant watching over the flavor as that position required. This does mean, though, that more spurious development activities can be more easily engaged.
[15:46] <ochosi> astraljava: that sounds good actually
[15:46] <astraljava> Won't be disbanding the community, but likely won't commit to many things that are dependant to release schedules.
[15:46] <astraljava> I've been involved with developing Studio for 6+ years now, it's about time to actually start using it. :)
[15:47] <smartboyhw> astraljava, LOL
[15:47] <smartboyhw> astraljava, srsly you haven't er USED it before?:P
[15:47] <astraljava> So, whenever I spot an issue with anything related to the processes, I might make an attempt to fix it.
[15:47] <astraljava> smartboyhw: I've used the distribution, but not the main tools it carries.
[15:47] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ah.
[15:48] <astraljava> Ie. recording utilities, sound processing tools etc.
[15:48]  * smartboyhw uses Ubuntu Studio mainly for video purpose:P (To get rid of Windows 8 and time to install single apps:P
[15:56] <SkippersBoss> i ve missed the meeting sorry guess
[15:56] <SkippersBoss> guys
[16:13] <elfy> knome: well I wrote to the -dev and -users list re the beta test - hope that it looks like what you want :)
[18:25] <elfy> astraljava or knome - or in fact anyone who knows - where are the testcases that people can follow now, the wiki long one still exists but the short one appears to have disappeared
[18:40] <Unit193> I have a script that basically has the info.
[18:40] <astraljava> elfy: That is interesting, for sure. Anyway, you might wanna talk to balloons and phillw, the new testcase format has stepped in, and you can have a look at those from the iso.qa.u.c links.
[18:41] <astraljava> elfy: Currently Xubuntu is a little behind on those, my apologies for that.
[18:41] <astraljava> But there are still testcases there, I'm sure there's a fallback case or something in place.
[18:47] <elfy> the short one has disappeared :(
[18:47] <elfy> from the wiki tests
[18:48] <elfy> I mailed the lists to get people to do some - first thing I get asked is where's the info to test against lol
[18:50] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Short?action=recall&rev=5  knome Marked it as moved.
[18:52] <elfy> well I don't what we're supposed to use :(
[18:53] <elfy> if someone can work it out I'd be grateful if they can post to the lists - I've got to go 
[18:58] <Unit193> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1433/info and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info ?  Second seems like the long one though. :/
[19:00] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/XubuntuDesktop  Old one.  I still like the short one best.
[19:05] <elfy> Unit193: thanks those 2 look like the riight ones I assume that 1433 is for the installation tests and 1434 is for post installation
[19:06] <elfy> not many of the tests appear to have xubuntu testcases
[19:06] <elfy> give up - got to go - cya later
[19:06] <Unit193> Yeah, don't know where short is.
[19:06] <Unit193> Adios.
[19:12] <knome> astraljava, all the testcases are in the ISO tracker
[19:13] <knome> astraljava, we're actually *ahead* in it :)
[19:13] <astraljava> knome: *oops*
[19:13] <knome> hehe
[19:13] <knome> yeah, i should delete the long test from the wiki.
[19:14] <astraljava> So you've merged everything into the new testcase tracker? I was just puzzled because it said it didn't belong to any Xubuntu test suites.
[19:14] <knome> yes, they're all in the tracker
[19:14] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds/24260/testcases
[19:14] <astraljava> Oh, sorry again. My eyes are not what they used to be, it seems.
[19:14] <knome> as you see, there's the old (installation) tests
[19:15] <knome> and there's the post-installation (short) and desktop (long) tests
[19:16] <bluesabre> ochosi should start a series of gimp-tutorials :)
[19:17] <knome> you mean now that we removed it from the default installation? :P
[19:17] <bluesabre> yes
[19:17] <bluesabre> :D
[19:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'd need nerves of steel for something like that :)
[19:17] <knome> rather create some inkscape tutorials
[19:17] <bluesabre> true
[19:18] <knome> though that sounds something i should do
[19:18] <bluesabre> Until we get a Xubuntu HUD, inkscape will continue to be difficult to navigate
[19:18] <ochosi> yeah
[19:18] <ochosi> inkscape is UI hell
[19:18] <knome> nah
[19:19] <knome> you aren't just competent
[19:19] <knome> :P
[19:20] <knome> ok, i'm off
[19:20] <knome> back when i'm home
[20:56] <Os_Maleus> hey guys! 
[20:56] <Os_Maleus> I wanted to get a big thanks to You all rid here! You did and are doing an amazingly great job! keep up with that! 
[20:56] <Os_Maleus> Actually, I have no big idea how a PC is working. But with a bit of interest, I have changed a year ago over to Xubuntu. before, I was using Windows. Having another profession than IT, I don't believe, I will manage to understand everything about Linux. But meanwhile I manage to do some things even better than I was able to perform with Windows. Your working-result makes really fun to use and I am even thinking about to kick down Windows
[21:01] <ochosi> Os_Maleus: thanks, always very nice to hear! :)
[21:04] <Os_Maleus> b(^_^)d