[00:00] <mistergil> Hello. Having a problem with pidgin file tranfer using bonjour on a local lan with three other machines all running Xubuntu 12.04(amd 64). No firewalls active,  all port settings seem to be okay (5298 Tcp+Udp). Chat is normal but file transfers state that reciever has cancelled transfer. Does anyone know what this issue may be? All machines are current with Ubuntu updates and pidgin is the latest release. Thanks.
[02:11] <Liam> recon_lap You still with me?
[02:13] <MSG555> hey there :) I have a stupid question... I need to run the following command on startup sh -c "cp ~/.config/xfce4/panel/goodxkb.rc ~/.config/xfce4/panel/xkb-plugin-##.rc && pkill xkb" what file would I add this line to? What's the difference of add it it to rc.local or rc0.d? Those are the only answers I find online and I'm not sure which one is the right one.
[02:17] <liam> recon_lap
[02:18] <liam> Can anyone help me with my internet connection on a Xubuntu 12.10 machine?
[02:19] <liam> 11.10*
[02:29] <well_laid_lawn> MSG555: I would use rc.local
[02:30] <MSG555> together with the whole sh -c thing?
[02:30] <well_laid_lawn> you will need the full path not ~
[02:31] <well_laid_lawn> so /home/you not ~
[02:31] <well_laid_lawn> and if it's recommended to use sh -c then yep
[02:32] <MSG555> the solution I'm referring to is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xkb-plugin/+bug/548631 post #33
[02:32] <MSG555> maybe there is a better solution I'm not finding
[02:39] <MSG555> well_laid_lawn:  thanks
[03:21] <MGS555> well_laid_lawn:  the script doesn't seem to work. when I do the same command on the console, it overwrites the file, but when I restart the system, it doesn't do it
[03:22] <well_laid_lawn> MGS555: did you replace the ~ with the full path?
[03:22] <MGS555> yes
[03:23] <MGS555> I copy paste the same command into console, it works
[03:24] <well_laid_lawn>  /home is on the same partition as the / ?
[03:24] <MGS555> I seem to be finding a lot of threads on this xkb issue, but they all offer different solutions
[03:25] <well_laid_lawn> you could just add the command to ~/.profile so it works when you log in
[03:25] <MGS555> one has to do with this file replacement, another one is to change /home/your-username/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/keyboard-layout.xml
[03:26] <well_laid_lawn> I only use the one keyboard layout so i know nothing about that sort of thing
[03:27] <MGS555> hm...
[03:27] <well_laid_lawn> it shouldn't be hard to set up a file to be copied on log in
[03:28] <MGS555> ok, I will try in ~/.profile
[03:28] <well_laid_lawn> you shouldn't need the   sh -c   bit
[03:29] <MGS555> well it looks like the problem is that xkb somehow overwrites its  config file with a default at some point during startup
[03:29] <well_laid_lawn> afaik X will set the keyboard up when it starts
[03:30] <well_laid_lawn> so doing it from .profile, which is accessed when you login should be good.
[03:30] <MGS555> afaik X?
[03:31] <well_laid_lawn> afaik = as far as I know & X is the graphical display
[03:31] <well_laid_lawn> !info X
[03:31] <well_laid_lawn> X as in xserver
[03:32] <MGS555> where does it draw its settings from?
[03:32] <MGS555> maybe I'm after the wrong files
[03:32] <well_laid_lawn>  /etc/X11
[03:34] <well_laid_lawn> MGS555: what is it you are actually having issues
[03:35] <well_laid_lawn> *with
[03:36] <MGS555> the xkb plugin on the panel
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> and what does that do? switch layouts
[03:36] <MGS555> I configure three layouts, shortcut for switching between them and composition key
[03:36] <MGS555> after a while, all these settings disappear
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> ahh ok I dunno anything about that
[03:37] <MGS555> randomly, not even upon reboot
[03:38] <MGS555> or like for example now, I ran that copy and pkill line in console, and it reset the layouts, but the shortcut keys don't work
[03:38] <MGS555> :/
[03:39] <well_laid_lawn> hang on a tick and I'll see if there's a better way
[03:44] <well_laid_lawn> MGS555: there's a command here - http://superuser.com/questions/155758/how-to-change-keyboard-layout-change-shortcut-in-xubuntu - try with that in your .profile - edited to suit of course
[03:47] <MGS555> well_laid_lawn: thanks, gonna try and reboot see if something changes
[03:47] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[04:06] <MGS555> so I've totally screwed the pooch on this one
[04:06] <MGS555> now I can't even log in, it doesn't recognize any keyboard or mouse
[04:06] <MGS555> plugged in alternates as well
[04:10] <well_laid_lawn> MGS555: no keyboard at the login screen?
[04:10] <MGS555> nope :) I manage to enter bios, so it's not a hardware problem
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> that shouldn't happen with that line in .profile - that file wouldn't be read yet
[04:11] <MGS555> I don't see grub options on bootup either
[04:11] <MGS555> I did change some other things
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> must be what you added to rc.local
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> "some other things" ?
[04:11] <MGS555> rc.local was there for a few bootups, so it's not that
[04:11] <well_laid_lawn> you'll have to unchange them
[04:12] <MGS555> just a sec, I'll find the info
[04:12] <MGS555> is there an /etc/default/keyboard file or something like that
[04:12] <MGS555> ?
[04:13] <MGS555> I can't find the post about that one since I'm on a different PC
[04:14] <MGS555> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66096/how-to-set-up-xfce4-xkb-plugin-to-remember-settings-over-reboots I followed the advice of the second reply
[04:17] <well_laid_lawn> MGS555: if that file doesn't exist you can make it
[04:17] <MGS555> I did
[04:17] <MGS555> I mean, it was there actually
[04:18] <MGS555> but that's the last thing I modified before my peripherals went dead
[04:18] <well_laid_lawn> try booting in recovery mode
[04:18] <MGS555> how do I get the grub menu if it doesn't show up?
[04:18] <well_laid_lawn> hold shift when starting the comp
[04:20] <well_laid_lawn> I'd make sure you don't have multiple files changing the layout while you're at it - like rc.local, .profile etc
[04:21] <MGS555> I did leave that copy pkill line in both, is that bad?
[04:22] <MGS555> shift doesn't seem to do it
[04:23] <MGS555> wouldn't there be some way to revert to terminal even if X is being buggy with the keyboard?
[04:24] <MGS555> or I guess the problem is much deeper now?
[04:25] <MGS555> ctrl+alt+f1 gives me some sort of ascii screen with vertical blue lines, but no command prompt :)
[04:28] <well_laid_lawn> try Ctrl+Alt+F3 then MGS555
[04:28] <MGS555> same thing :)
[04:29] <MGS555> maybe it's time for a fresh start....
[04:29] <well_laid_lawn> you have to be holding the shift key down from the bios post scren
[04:29] <well_laid_lawn> s/en/een/
[04:54] <xubuntu343> Hello, I am having a problem with installing themes on Xubuntu 12.04.  I was told to drag and drop in to the Appearance section, but it does not work.  I cannot find Emerald either.  Could someone help me?
[04:54] <jonhaller> @#xubuntu: Hello everyone!
[04:57] <jonhaller> xubuntu343: not sure if emerald still ships with *buntu
[04:58] <jonhaller> xubuntu343: yes, emerald is old software, and no longer maintained :(
[04:59] <xubuntu343> Okay. :S
[04:59] <xubuntu343> Er, well idk how to install themes.
[05:07] <baizon> hi, is it possible to add text into the battery indicator?
[05:35] <baizon> problem solved :D
[05:49] <jonhaller> Can anyone help me with understanding some of these configuration values for this STA driver source file?
[06:22] <xubuntu611> hi, i am installing 12.04 on an eee pc 701 4g. how does ubuntu compare vs xubuntu on the limited hardware? 600 line screen and 1 gb mem w 4 gb ssd
[06:25] <Sysi> xubuntu has more options for customizing user interface to fit on a small screen, it also uses a bit less memory and in some cases cpu
[06:27] <xubuntu611> Sysi: thanks. i am going to give this 900 mhz celeron netbook to the 5 and 7 yr old to fool around with. i will put xubuntu on it. i don't think they need animated menus.
[06:45] <wcapio> hi folks
[06:45] <wcapio> how do I choose an icon for my python files?
[06:46] <wcapio> i checked https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingMimeTypes yet no success
[06:51] <ochosi> wcapio: replace the icon in the icon-theme?
[06:52] <wcapio> not sure, when I use the detailed view in thunar, my python files have no icon... frustrating if you have many other files  as well
[07:00] <wcapio> ochosi, can I adapt the icon-theme?
[07:00] <ochosi> wcapio: are you using the elementary-xfce icon theme?
[07:01] <wcapio> no idea
[07:01] <ochosi> appmenu > settings > appearance > icons
[07:01] <wcapio> elementary-xfce-dark
[07:01] <ochosi> right, that should be ok
[07:02] <ochosi> so yeah, the python icon only exists for icon sizes >24px
[07:02] <ochosi> if you want smaller ones, you'd have to draw them yourself :}
[07:02] <Marzatta> my fav: Faenza-Dark icons
[07:03] <wcapio> I use faenza for libreoffice
[07:03] <wcapio> ochosi, do you have to change them in /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark?
[07:04] <ochosi> wcapio: yeah, but you can also copy the icon-theme to ~/.icons/ so that you don't need superuser-rights to change it
[07:05] <wcapio> in /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark i only see the panel, not the mime icon
[07:05] <wcapio> s
[07:07] <ochosi> wcapio: yeah, to be exact it's elementary-xfce (it is inherited by elementary-xfce-dark)
[07:07] <wcapio> owkey
[07:07] <ochosi> wcapio: oh and in fact you have to look in the mimes/48 folder for the name of the python mimetype
[07:08] <ochosi> wcapio: that's the only size we have the code-mimes in
[07:08] <wcapio> thanks! you guys know a lot about these things, nice!
[07:08] <ochosi> well i'm maintaining the icon theme, so... ;)
[07:08] <wcapio> :D
[07:08] <ochosi> if you do a good job at making smaller sizes, send them to me and i'll include them
[07:09] <wcapio> is it an idea to add the icons for smaller...
[07:09] <wcapio> k
[07:09] <wcapio> for python the svg file is available...
[07:09] <ochosi> yes, the theme is all svg
[07:09] <ochosi> (apart from a few icons we borrowed from gnome)
[07:10] <ochosi> so we'd want svg also for the smaller python-mime icons
[07:10] <wcapio> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Text-x-python.svg
[07:11] <ochosi> well yes, but ideally the new smaller icons would match the 48px icon we already have ;)
[07:11] <wcapio> :)
[07:21] <wcapio> is the ~/.icons method documented?
[07:27] <ochosi> wcapio: i guess somewhere it is documented, why?
[07:27] <wcapio> your reasoning above: if I can put the icons in my home folder I don't need root access and it is easy to backup
[07:29] <ochosi> yeah, but why is it important where or whether this is documented?
[07:31] <wcapio> I am not completely sure I know how to set it up... hence if it is documented (in *ubuntu) then I could rtm
[07:56] <ochosi> wcapio: nothing to set up, just copy the icon-folder to /home/wcapio/.icons/
[10:45] <Industrial> I can't get my unetbootin to burn my windows 7 home premium iso to a usb stick. The stick is 4gb and the iso is 2gb. It accepts the iso but just seems to skip it. Instantly finishes and no iso data on there... Is there another way? Maybe the iso is bad .. How would I test?
[10:46] <Mathias> isn't unetbootin only for linux?
[10:46] <Industrial> hm. Is there anything for windows?
[10:59] <olbi> you could use pendrivelinux site, where are good apps for create booting USB
[10:59] <olbi> unetbootin is for Windows and Linux
[10:59] <Industrial> I'll check it out
[11:11] <torax> be sure you chose correct usb stick. you could also try to reformat the usb stick
[12:59] <xubuntu056> hello =)
[12:59] <xubuntu056> I'm new to this..
[13:00] <xubuntu056> how to proceed if i've got a question?
[13:00] <xubuntu056> thxs =)
[13:01] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu056
[13:02] <GridCube> !ask
[13:02] <GridCube> :)
[13:03] <David> hi
[13:03] <David> can someone help me
[13:04] <Guest40605> i´ve installed Xubuntu in my eee Pc
[13:04] <Guest40605> 1101 HA
[13:04] <Guest40605> and it don't startet right
[13:05] <GridCube> !details | Guest40605
[13:07] <Guest40605>  I'm running Ubuntu version 12.04.1 in my Eee PC 1101 When I try to start, the Computer never go to the login site
[13:07] <xubuntu056> hi folks! cool you are all out here and allready thxs for beeing here =) Ok.. Maybe some think this laptop might be better used as a door-stopper, but i kind of got attached to it.. its a ibm t20. i recently installed xubuntu 12.04.1 on it. really pleased so far but encountered some problems.. i can't load usb or a scsi-card. without that i cant connect to internet or save my work to share it with other people.. what can i do ab
[13:08] <ochosi> xubuntu056: have you looked here already? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_on_a_ThinkPad_T20
[13:08] <Guest40605> I saw somewhere, i should write something im Boot data and save
[13:09] <ochosi> Guest40605: how far do you get then?
[13:09] <Guest40605> is that right?
[13:09] <Guest40605> i can see the login screen but divided
[13:10] <ochosi> you have a multihead-setup?
[13:10] <Guest40605> ops
[13:10] <Guest40605> i don't know what is this
[13:10] <Guest40605> :P
[13:11] <Guest40605> I`ve installed from a pendrive
[13:11] <ochosi> multihead == more than one display
[13:11] <Guest40605> no
[13:11] <Guest40605> i mean
[13:12] <Guest40605> it`s happened automaticlly
[13:13] <Guest40605> now i have the prompt
[13:13] <Guest40605> cause i thought I should write thes comand
[13:13] <Guest40605> command
[13:13] <Guest40605> but I don't kwon how
[13:14] <recon_lap> some of those eepc's have strange graphic card setup's to save power
[13:14] <Guest40605> ok
[13:14] <xubuntu056> @ochosi thank's for the link! i had searched on google, but couldn't find anything acceptable. i will check there for the solution.
[13:15] <apm1> recon_lap, i thought eeepcs had intel gma graphics ?
[13:15] <ochosi> xubuntu056: the other thing is your wireless card. it might be that there's no good/free driver for it
[13:15] <ochosi> xubuntu056: do normal usb-sticks work?
[13:15] <recon_lap> apm1: some of them have two graphics chips :)
[13:16] <recon_lap> or something like that, let me have a look for a line I was reading
[13:16] <Guest40605> but the point is
[13:16] <SkippersBoss> Guest40605, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/
[13:17] <Guest40605> i've instaled Ubuntu and it worked
[13:17] <Guest40605> but slow
[13:17] <apm1> recon_lap, what optimus graphics on a netbook , you gotta be shitting me :p
[13:18] <SkippersBoss> according to the info support for the GMA500
[13:18] <SkippersBoss> chipset shout improve with 12.10
[13:18] <Guest40605> ok
[13:18] <Guest40605> but not for Xubuntu
[13:19] <recon_lap> not quite the same model https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[13:20] <xubuntu056> @ochosi unfortunately nothing works on that single usb port I have there.. i tried a normal usb-stick - no reaction, i have a scsi card for wifi-connection but again, as i plug it in no reaction. both worked with xp, but do not want any win on my lap ;)
[13:20] <ochosi> xubuntu056: you could run "lsusb" in the terminal once you connect the usb stick
[13:20] <SkippersBoss> shmm my typing skills are poor today i apologise
[13:22] <SkippersBoss> Guest40605, Xubuntu 12.10 could give some improvement
[13:23] <apm1> will the intel integrated graphics on a core i7 first gen work fine on xubuntu 12.04 ?
[13:23] <xubuntu056> @ochosi ?!? wait a second... it looks like the only thing i actually had to do is come over here to bother you?!!? as i reconnected the usb-stick to start "lsusb" as you suggested, it opened the content of the usb!! wow! cool, like a miracle!! sorry for having waisted your time though..
[13:24] <apm1> xubuntu056, :D
[13:24]  * apm1 is writing python scripts on his mobile phone :)
[13:26] <recon_lap> xubuntu056: have a feeling you usb was powered down , the lsusb command probably started it again
[13:27] <ochosi> xubuntu056: no problem, good to hear it works ;)
[13:27] <SkippersBoss> xubuntu056, you have never wasted anyones time here
[13:27] <SkippersBoss> Others might pick up on this
[13:27] <apm1> excuse me gentlemen but did anyone notice my question ?
[13:28] <recon_lap> apm1: i'll let you know in a few years after I buy a i7 :)
[13:29] <apm1> recon_lap, few years , why man ?
[13:29] <recon_lap> apm1: they cost money
[13:30] <xubuntu056> @recon_lap the only thing i did is try about 15 distros which didn't work.. xubuntu-alternate did the job!  @SkipperBoss thxs! its good to know you're not left alone, even if you've got such an old laptop as i have over here.. i just love that thing!
[13:30] <apm1> recon_lap, what processor are you running on right now ?
[13:30] <Guest40605> Thaks Skipper
[13:30] <apm1> pentium 4 ?
[13:30] <Guest40605> *Thanks
[13:30] <recon_lap> apm1: just got a iCore5 v3
[13:30] <torax> apm1: I'd say it works, its nothing but intel integrated graphics, that works very well not, just inside cpu
[13:32] <apm1> recon_lap, if integrated graphics on a 3 rd gen i5 works then graphics on a i7 1 st gen will also work
[13:32] <xubuntu056> @recon_lap what i forgot to mention, i stalled it 2 days ago and bothered around with it.. i just connected the usb-stick, nothing - found this and connected here. got the tipp with lsusb, wanted to give it a shot - connected the usb and before I could do anything, it opened the contents window!
[13:34] <recon_lap> xubuntu056: read that link i posted, it's a newer model but some of the stuff likely to apply, if you look in the tweeks section you'll see usb auto power up abd down
[13:36] <apm1> gotta go guys ttyl
[13:42] <designbybeck> greetings all
[13:42] <designbybeck> I realized I hadn't installed Emerald and such for this theme
[13:42] <designbybeck> http://jurialmunkey.deviantart.com/#/d316eqx
[13:42] <designbybeck> is that a pretty easy straight forward process?
[13:43] <xubuntu057> hey there!! i certainly will get a look on the things I can find @the-link-you-gave me. but I just was so excited all started to work as if it ever had worked like that before.. It's me again on my old IBM T20, running xubuntu 12.04.1, connected through an 3G-USB-Stick which was recognised and loaded in a matter of seconds! ubuntu and in this case xubuntu is my personal hero!! happy got rid of xp, will never step back! thanks to 
[13:45] <GridCube> :D
[13:45] <xubuntu056> ps: how can i disconnect correctly from here? i mean is there something like a disconnect button i dont see right now or should i just close the window?! thxs
[13:46] <GridCube> just close the window, you can type /quit byebye and it will quit and say byebye to the channel
[13:47] <xubuntu057> and most of all, thxs from this old laptop! it just works as smooth as i remembered it to work!
[13:53] <Liam> recon_lap
[13:56] <recon_lap> o/ liam
[13:56] <Liam> You abandoned me yesterday...
[13:58] <recon_lap> Liam, well I do have my own life. and dont remember you asking anything anyway?
[13:59] <Liam> Certainly, you do. Allthough, I got my ethernet fixed, but now the wireless seems to screw up. I installed ndiswrapper, but have no clue how to use it or how to get a hold on the right files from the Windows driver.
[14:00] <Liam> If you have time, I would appr.ate if you would be so kind to help me, recon_lap.
[14:01] <recon_lap> Liam: ndiswrapper is last resort, do you know what wifi card you got?
[14:07] <Liam> recon_lap: The only thing I know is that it's WiFi 802.11 b.
[14:08] <Liam> recon_lap: It's a Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN, I found it.
[14:08] <recon_lap> Liam : "sudo lspci | grep network"  ,  and paste the results
[14:09] <recon_lap> Liam make that sudo lspci | grep net
[14:09] <Liam> recon_lap How to make the | sign in the Terminal.
[14:10] <recon_lap> Liam: lol, work it out, it's you keyboard
[14:10] <recon_lap> cut and paste is handy as well
[14:10] <torax> altgr+the key between shift and z (on my keyboard layout)
[14:10] <daanish> Ok, how does Tiling windows work? I can't get it to work at all.
[14:12] <Liam> recon_lap: 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[14:12] <Liam> But isn't that the cable internet? Not the wireless?
[14:18] <designbybeck> I'm looking through the xubuntu.com site, trying to find a listing on specs
[14:18] <designbybeck> min required specs and such
[14:18] <designbybeck> there it is ;)
[14:18] <designbybeck> getxubuntu/
[14:19] <recon_lap> Liam:  my mistake , have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[14:19] <Pici> !requirements
[14:19] <Liam> recon_lap Lovely. Thanks alot.
[14:41] <Guest40605> quit
[14:55] <knome> xubuntu community meeting in 5 minutes at #xubuntu-devel, everybody welcome
[14:55] <Kingsy> how come xubuntu doesnt need an xorg.conf anymore? I deleted it, and it wasnt recreated
[14:56] <knome> Kingsy, settings are automatically grabbed now
[14:57] <Sysi> it hasn't been really needed for years
[14:57] <knome> yup
[15:00] <pingu_> Can anyone help me? I'm updating xubuntu 12.04 and it's been taking four hours now. I'm in the phase called 'configuring linux-imae-3.3.0-31-generic'. The process goes on at a speed of about a step every 40-60 minutes. Is it normal?
[15:03] <recon_lap> pingu_: upgrades can be slow, esp if there are issues
[15:04] <Kingsy> knome: I really don't understand how setup is done then, we have no control over x sessions anymore?
[15:05] <knome> Kingsy, you *can* create X.org if you need one
[15:05] <knome> Kingsy, at it will be obeyed
[15:05] <Sysi> or use on-the-run config like xrandr
[15:06] <Kingsy> yeah I ended up using xrandr
[15:06] <Kingsy> and used the dm to run it
[15:07] <Kingsy> do you guys not think its weird that there is SO many people in #ubuntu and so little in #xubuntu? gnome is AWFUL
[15:07]  * Kingsy doesnt get it
[15:09] <designbybeck> shortcut keys for Xubuntu? like in Ubuntu CTRL+ALT+T gives you terminal
[15:09] <Sysi> designbybeck: settings -> keyboard -> application shortcuts
[15:09] <designbybeck> ah, Thank you Sysi
[15:10] <designbybeck> also what is the difference between typing  && vs ; on commands
[15:11] <designbybeck> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install this
[15:11] <Sysi> && doesn't run second command if first one fails
[15:11] <designbybeck> or sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install
[15:11] <Sysi> ; does
[15:11] <designbybeck> OOHHHhhhhhh
[15:11] <designbybeck> nice
[15:29] <recon_lap> Kingsy: iPhone/tablet users don't use irc?
[15:30] <TheSheep> too hard to type
[15:31] <Kingsy> recon_lap: huh?
[15:33] <recon_lap> Kingsy: sorry, read your comment backwards.
[15:36] <pingu_> recon_lap: update process still going soooo slow. What do you mean by issues? That my install has got problems? If some updates take eight hours to complete, this can be a problem...
[15:39] <recon_lap> pingu_:  in the far distant past (2006) upgrades failed so often I stopped using them, I now put my home folder on it's own partition so i can just to clean installs of OD and reinstall all my apps. this works for me. I really can not say how your is going, they depend on so much that is unique to your computer.
[15:42] <pingu_> thank you. The fact is that I'm not upgrading to 12.04 from a previous version, I'm just downloading the updates for 12.04 that I installed brand new on a formatted partition. Previous updates worked fine, this is the first time I have to wait for so long.
[15:44] <recon_lap> pingu_: are you planning to stay on the LTS version?
[15:46] <pingu_> yes. I don't want any hassles, I'm a low-end user. I use the pc a lot for my work, but don't have time to sort out technical problems. I'm looking for a system that just works smoothly and xubuntu seemed to do the job
[15:46] <recon_lap> pingu_: well, there are a lot of updates, but if you have a fast computer and connection I would thing somthing is going badly wrong after 4 hours
[15:47] <pingu_> right. I'm leaving the office now. Will let the pc on and will see if by tomorrow morning the update is over. Shall I post a bug report to someone to look into it?
[15:48] <recon_lap> pingu_: not really, the whole upgrade is be replaced by the new version next week
[15:49] <Kingsy> when is the eta on 12.10 ?
[15:49] <Kingsy> next week ?
[15:49] <bazhang> October
[15:49] <Kingsy> no official date yet?
[15:49] <recon_lap> Kingsy: it says 12.10,  I dont know the exact date. will depend on testing I would expect
[15:49] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for schedule and discussion
[15:50] <Kingsy> ah
[15:50] <torax> 18.10 says wikipedia, but could be old info
[15:51] <Kingsy> I am gonna try the upgrade this time around.. I cant be bothered to reinstall all my stuff
[15:52] <Kingsy> worst comes to worst I will have to :S
[16:06] <fatpudding> Hey, are there any one else that have problem with xpdf after the latest system updates ?
[16:56] <Os_Maleus> I have here a "Version: 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.2" that was "Automatically installed: no". is there a possibility to upgrade it to kdepim-runtime-4.9.x ?
[16:57] <Os_Maleus> the people from the kde-room are saying, it would require newer versions of lower dependencies too, including akonadi and kdelibs.
[16:58] <holstein> Os_Maleus: could be more trouble than its worth.. i usually look for PPA's, though thats not fail proof either
[17:01] <Os_Maleus> holstein: thanks for Your answer!
[18:09] <webereinc> Hello - can anyone help with vnc / remote desktop server
[18:12] <Aristide> Hi !
[18:12] <Aristide> I have a question about XFCE ^^
[18:12] <Aristide> I add qjackctl in Autorun list for XFCE, but when the desktop appear, the notify icon don't appear :(
[18:12] <Aristide> But qjack ctl ils running
[18:12] <Aristide> *is
[18:45] <Guido1> hello, how can i change the transparenzy of inactief windows?
[18:47] <Liam> recon_lap: http://pastebin.com/ZaCMZcKS
[18:48] <TheSheep> Guido1: in window manager tweaks, last tab
[18:49] <Guido1> TheSheep: ialready looked at the window manager, but i can't find this option
[18:50] <TheSheep> Guido1: window manager *tweaks*
[18:51] <Guido1> TheSheep: is it depending on the thema?
[18:51] <TheSheep> no, you have a slider
[18:51] <TheSheep> in the settings manager, in window manager tweaks, last tab
[18:53] <Guido1> oh, there are two
[18:55] <Guido1> I found it, thanks
[19:05] <Liam> If I use ndiswrapper, what file of my Windows driver should I use?
[19:06] <Liam> "inf". Found it.
[19:26] <sremie89> here are the sound settings? cant seem to find em.
[19:26] <sremie89> Where are the sound settings? Can seem to find them.
[19:27] <TheSheep> sremie89: Multimedia -> PulseAudio Volume Control
[19:28] <sremie89> Thanks!
[19:55] <mwoa> can anyone help tell me a good way to started with learning LINUX file structure and using command line interface?
[19:55] <mwoa> basically any good advice for a n00b
[19:57] <mwoa> ?
[19:59] <genii-around> See !terminal and !fhs
[20:00] <genii-around> !terminal
[20:00] <genii-around> !fhs
[20:01] <mwoa> Thanks
[20:03] <mwoa> I downloaded some utilities that operate from command line and appaently have to be installed from there. SSH SFTP and such when i downloaded them where is default DIR and what is comand line to install?
[20:05] <recon_lap> mwoa: "sudo apt-get install" in how you normally install stuff
[20:05] <genii-around> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openssh-server     should get you started
[20:08] <mwoa> cool ty
[20:09] <mwoa> Anyone know anything about the xfer from FLASH to HTML 5 and if there are going to be any issues with UBUNTU
[20:12] <TheSheep> mwoa: xfer?
[20:12] <mwoa> transfer
[20:14] <TheSheep> mwoa: still no idea what you mean, transfer of what?
[20:15] <mwoa> fnothing is going to be programmed with flash with HTML5
[20:16] <TheSheep> mwoa: so what is your question exactly? are you asking whether the browsers in buntu support html5? the answer is yes, they support it as well as the browsers on windows and mac
[20:17] <recon_lap>  think it's something you don't need to worry about mwoa
[20:17] <mwoa> yeah thats what i meant
[20:17] <genii-around> They can also do WebGL
[20:24] <mwoa> thanks
[21:03] <Os_Maleus> hey guys!
[21:03] <Os_Maleus> Wanted to get a big thanks to You all rid here! You did and are doing an amazingly great job! keep up with that!
[21:03] <Os_Maleus> Actually, I have no big idea how a PC is working. But with a bit of interest, I have changed a year ago over to Xubuntu with the xfce as GUI. Before, I was using Windows. Having another profession than IT, I don't believe, I will manage to understand everything about Linux. But meanwhile I manage to do some things even better than I was able to perform with Windows. Your working-result makes really fun to use and I am even thinking about to ki
[21:08] <David-A> Os_Maleus: thank you for sharing your experience
[21:10] <Os_Maleus> well, it is not me, who does it. these are guys like You, David-A, and guys like baizon, bipolar and killermoehre (an Xubuntu-developer?).
[21:11] <Os_Maleus> if You guys wouldn't be there, I wouldn't have anything to share either. :-D
[21:15] <Os_Maleus> But today I had a real success! I managed basically on my own to configure the things in the way that I am able to manage my Google Calendar account over the Calendar - respectively Kontact. This makes some data-handling much easier now. don't need to do everything by mouse and over the browser. Additionally, it was impossible for me before to do import my appointments from the Google Calendar to the Contact.
[21:15] <Marzata> Xubu it is best Linux distro
[21:15] <SkippersBoss> Marzata, carefull with those claims here
[21:16] <Marzata> SkippersBoss: wtf?
[21:16] <SkippersBoss> or at least put "for me" after it
[21:16] <SkippersBoss> we do not want to initiate in a distro war
[21:17] <Marzata> uff
[21:18] <Sysi> since this is xubuntu channel, flamewar caused by liking it is not very probable, but still it isn't really ontopic
[21:29] <em> I like xubuntu.
[21:46] <SkippersBoss> em, so do most of the users here. but this is support. you might want to join xubuntu-offtopic