[00:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where is maliit?
[00:17] <apachelogger> also plasma-active-malii
[00:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also ^
[00:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also if you don't have time remind me like on monday or something
[00:38] <ScottK> sladen: Since there's no 4.9, 5.0 will have to do.
[03:36] <ScottK> libqtgtl FTBFS fix uploaded.
[04:58] <ScottK> libkolab FTBFS uploaded.
[04:59] <ScottK> (fix for)
[05:15] <ScottK> I think ktorrent just needs a retry.  I asked doko for it.
[06:39] <pkt> I have another (small this time) issue with ubiquity's kde frontend
[06:39] <pkt> in the timezone page, in the tooltip
[06:40] <pkt> I see the current time and then gibberish
[06:40] <pkt> it looks like a codepage problem (I guess it would show the city name in Greek)
[06:40] <pkt> is it possible to point me to the relevant code to see how to fix this?
[07:32] <Riddell> pkt: the timezone widget is in ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/Timezone.py
[07:32] <Riddell> in lp:ubiquity
[07:33] <Riddell> but that is used by the page ./ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py
[07:33] <Riddell> and much of the data comes from debian-installer
[07:33] <pkt> who do you think is setting the codepage of the tooltip text?
[07:33] <pkt> could it be just a bad Qt default?
[07:34] <Riddell> Qt will presumably default to utf-8
[07:35] <Riddell> but then I'd imagine d-i uses utf-8 too
[07:35] <Riddell> so it's a strange one
[07:36]  * Riddell breakfasts
[07:38] <pkt> ok I will look into this more
[07:39] <pkt> my suscpicion is that there is a latin-1 default hidden somewhere
[07:48] <tsimpson> QString defaults to ascii/latin1 for raw strings
[07:49] <pkt> hmm
[07:49] <pkt> but what is the "raw string" in this case?
[07:49] <tsimpson> in the python case, it should be any str object
[07:50] <pkt> I see
[07:50] <tsimpson> 'print QString('\xa3').toUtf8().data()' gives back '£', and \xa3 the the Latin-1 for £
[07:50] <tsimpson> ^in python
[07:51] <pkt> so I should check in the python code to see if there is any "dummy" str -> QString conversion?
[07:52] <tsimpson> it's a place to start
[07:53] <pkt> indeed, thanks tsimpson :;)
[07:53] <pkt> :)
[07:56] <tsimpson> it maybe a quicker way is to put QtCore.QTextCodec.setCodecForCStrings(QtCore.QTextCodec.codecForName("utf8")) somewhere early in the code
[07:56] <pkt> yes, this looks like a good idea as well
[08:34] <Riddell> pkt: this issue happens when installing in greek language?
[09:10] <pkt> Riddell: yes
[09:11] <pkt> but I 'd guess it would happen in other languages as well like e.g., Russian
[09:11] <pkt> those with non-latin alphabets
[09:42] <Riddell> hi mparillo, how do you fancy redying things to beta 2?
[09:43] <mparillo> Riddell: You mean creating the draft announcement? The skeleton wiki?
[09:43] <Riddell> checking over https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PrecisePangolin/Beta2/Kubuntu for beta 2 updates
[09:44] <Riddell> bonus points for adding a section with ubiquity LVM and crypto partitioning
[09:44] <Riddell> readying a story on kubuntu.org
[09:44] <Riddell> and I have a pretty picture that can be used on the kubuntu.org front page with some editing
[09:44] <xnox> _Precise_ ???? Beta2 was released a while ago.....
[09:45] <Riddell> hmm
[09:45] <Riddell> mparillo: this one :) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu
[09:45] <xnox> well there is also 
[09:46] <xnox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[09:46] <xnox> and it does mention LVM
[09:46] <xnox> (the kubuntu section)
[09:46] <Riddell> I know, I added it :)
[09:46] <xnox> =))) touche =)))
[09:47] <Riddell> but those technical overviews are pretty dry, the kubuntu announce pages shouuld be more readable, and form the basis for the final announce on kubuntu.org
[09:47] <Riddell> mparillo: what do you think of this http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.png ?
[09:47] <mparillo> Wow, really fancy. 
[09:48] <Riddell> we need someone good with graphics to expand it into something to replace http://www.kubuntu.org/files/12.04-lts-banner3.png
[09:48] <mparillo> I am no graphics guy, and today may be crazy at my day job (early morning here). When is Beta-2?
[09:49] <Riddell> mparillo: this EU evening
[09:49] <Riddell> so just do what you're able to
[09:50] <mparillo> I will try and thank you for offering.
[09:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: nudge, remember to get back if you want that flight, your booking is holding up afiestas' and agateau's booking
[10:42] <vprints> hi guys :)
[10:43] <vprints> have You noticed that 12.04.2 daily installer crashes upon startup?
[10:44] <vprints> i tired to install debug packages but it didn't ind any so i can't provide specific info right away :D
[10:44]  * tazz waves at vprints 
[10:44] <vprints> 0/
[10:44] <vprints> any suggestions how i should proceed?
[10:45] <vprints> how are You doing tazz? :)
[10:47] <tazz> vprints, just work and stuff... It must be getting cold up there by now. I am afraid I have not used daily installer so I wont be able to comment.
[10:49] <tsimpson> vprints: it's known https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1055967
[10:49]  * xnox ponders when to upload precise SRU
[10:49] <vprints> aha, sorry, searced but didn't find
[10:49] <vprints> my bad
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:29] <shadeslayer> whoo ... coming to UDS  for sure now :D
[11:33] <mikhas> shadeslayer, see you there ;-)
[11:33] <shadeslayer> likewise
[11:38] <pkt> tsimpson: thanks a lot :)
[11:38] <pkt> you nailed the ubiquity codepage problem :)
[11:39] <tsimpson> nice
[11:39] <pkt> By putting QtCore.QTextCodec.setCodecForCStrings(QtCore.QTextCodec.codecForName("utf8")) 
[11:39] <pkt> at the top of Timezone.py
[11:39] <pkt> no more gibberish :)
[11:40] <pkt> Riddell: can you commit this ? :)
[11:55] <pkt> The problem is now reported as LP: #1057485
[11:55] <pkt> so that it won't be forgotten hopefully :)
[12:00] <shadeslayer> pkt: please tag the bug with kubuntu
[12:00] <shadeslayer> and nominate for quantal
[12:01] <pkt> how do I do this?
[12:05] <pkt> sorry, I found it :)
[12:12] <mparillo> Beta-2 News Item created but not published: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out
[12:12] <pkt> shadeslayer: apparently I think I don't have the authority to nominate for quantal
[12:12] <pkt> but at least I tagged as kubuntu
[12:12] <shadeslayer> okay, let me do that for you
[12:13] <pkt> thanks :)
[12:14] <mparillo> Does this section need to come out? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu#Calligra_Suite I think the Calligra Suite was removed (at least it was for me).
[12:14] <mparillo> All that is left is Kexi and Krita (as noted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2#Kubuntu )
[12:14] <shadeslayer> pkt: done, Riddell will have to approve it though
[12:15] <pkt> it is ok I think he will :)
[12:16] <Riddell> bug 1057485
[12:17] <Riddell> pkt: cool thanks
[12:18] <Riddell> pkt: I can do that, although if you want to do it properly you can make a bzr branch and push that to launchpad for me to merge
[12:18] <Riddell> for something this simple that's just extra hassle but it might be interesting incase you need to do it in the future
[12:18] <pkt> yes, but I think it is too small a change to be worth all this boureaucracy
[12:18] <pkt> no worries
[12:19] <pkt> I 'm sure I will have better things to send your way in the future ;)
[12:25] <tsimpson> oh, I thought I should mention, in case anyone has bzr errors on committing, cia.vc is dead so you'll want to disable that commit hook
[12:29] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: are you sure ?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> I thought someone took up maintenance?
[12:31] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: http://cia.vc/ 
[12:32] <tsimpson> seem to have ruined atheme.org too
[12:33] <shadeslayer> aha, I see, it seems like we have the other  bot that uses commit filters in #kde-in 
[13:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: esr to the rescue - http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4607
[13:31] <Riddell> gosh haven't heard from him in ages
[13:45] <Saviq> sladen, ping
[13:48] <Riddell> sladen was last seen in the red light district of the Netherlands (NSFW https://secure.mech.cx/images/area_61/19.through_the_looking_glass/P9270996.JPG )
[13:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Not safe for human eyeballs.
[13:59] <sladen> Saviq: pong
[14:08] <ScottK> Riddell: (not sure how closely you read the backscroll) Last night I took care of several of the Kubuntu FTBFS.
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah thanks for that
[14:12] <Riddell> ScottK: libmsn still to do?
[14:12] <ScottK> I didn't do that one.
[14:12] <Riddell> pkt: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity.png  I see no bug
[14:12] <Riddell> I think that's running in greek
[14:13] <pkt> for some reason it is not 100% in Greek
[14:13] <pkt> the PM should be "μμ"
[14:13] <Riddell> pkt: what version have you been testing?
[14:14] <pkt> I 've been testing my derivative, but it should be same with official kubuntu in this
[14:15] <pkt> χμμ, maybe kubuntu also doesn't localize enough
[14:15] <pkt> this is why this bug hadn't been noticed
[14:15] <pkt> in any case the string should be UTF-8 in the tooltip not latin-1 so the fix should be committed
[14:17] <pkt> I think the reason kubuntu shows the string as "PM" is that it starts with english locale
[14:17] <pkt> (I mean, in official kubuntu ubiquity starts with english locale)
[14:17] <pkt> while in my version it starts with greek locale
[14:18] <pkt> thus the bug was revealed
[14:18] <pkt> Riddell: ^^
[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm doing a test build of kbruch on armhf to see if I can replicate that problem from the rebuild.
[14:26] <mparillo> Riddell: I posted, but did not publish the news item. I noticed there is still Calligra suite here: Does this section need to come out? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu#Calligra_Suite I think the Calligra Suite was removed (at least it was for me). Want me to replace it with either Kexi or krita?
[14:27] <ScottK> There should be some mention of LO too.
[14:28] <ScottK> But kexi/krita is good.
[14:29] <Riddell> mparillo: yeah please
[14:34] <Riddell> pkt: adding that line to TimeZone.py just stops the step from being loaded, so presumably it's causing an error somewhere, is it working for you?
[14:40] <mparillo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu#Calligra_Suite now shows screen shots of kexi and krita and the text refers to them (only briefly).
[14:47] <pkt> Riddell: yes, it shouldn't do this
[14:47] <pkt> Riddell: could there be a typo or something that is causing the problem?
[14:47] <pkt> Riddell: the only thing this line should do is set the default codec to UTF-8 for QString and only for this widget
[14:48] <pkt> For me it works fine
[14:48] <Riddell> pkt: can you attach a patch to that bug?
[14:49] <pkt> sure, you will have to wait a little though
[14:52] <mparillo> I noticed the URL for the feedback page is: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta1/Kubuntu/Feedback
[14:52] <mparillo> Do we need to clone it to say Beta2, or just leave as-is?
[14:53] <Riddell> mparillo: yeah Copy the one from beta 1
[15:04] <pkt> Riddell: I was the one who made the typo :S
[15:04] <pkt> the bad aspects of having to use different machines all the time
[15:04] <pkt> QtCore.QTextCodec.setCodecForCStrings(QtCore.QTextCodec.codecForName("utf8"))
[15:04] <pkt> this is the correct line like tsimpson suggested
[15:05] <pkt> I will correct in the bug comments as well
[15:05] <mparillo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu/Feedback created and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu#Feedback now points there.
[15:06] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1057578] Vulnerable against "CRIME" attack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1057578 (by Felix Geyer)
[15:06] <debfx> maybe we should just disable building qtwebkit from qt4-x11 on arm*
[15:07] <debfx> I imagine the number of qt assistant users on arm is near 0
[15:10] <Riddell> debfx: the compile error is in qtwebkit in qt4-x11 ?
[15:11] <debfx> I think so
[15:12] <debfx> it blows up the buildd now so LP doesn't provide any logs
[15:12] <Riddell> ouch
[15:12] <Riddell> makes it scary that the qtwebkit package might do the same
[15:16] <Riddell> debfx: but yes I'd be for that if it's what it takes, are you volunteering or just thinking out loud?
[15:21] <debfx> Riddell: I'll do the changes
[15:26] <Riddell> you rock :)
[15:27] <pkt> Ok, I also attached as a patch, apologies for the typo in the initial suggestion
[15:39] <konqui> Hi, I assume the iso on beta 2 on the iso testing site is likely to be the beta 2 release?
[15:42] <Riddell> konqui: I assume so too
[15:42] <Riddell> konqui: but testing always welcomed
[15:42] <konqui> Riddell: There won't be an alternate image for 12.10?
[15:43] <Riddell> konqui: we're not planning one, LVM and encrypted partitioning can now be done from ubiquity
[15:44] <Riddell> do you have a use case for it?
[15:44] <konqui> Riddell: Well I normally prefer is as personal preference especially on slower systems but its not a big deal
[15:45] <konqui> I can always use the mini iso if I really want a similar experience anyways
[15:45] <konqui> The main concern though is especially with the Kubuntu releases Ubiquity has ocasionally crashed
[15:47] <konqui> On the whole removing the alternate image is probably worth it as most people don't use it and it can reduce testing I guess.
[15:51] <ScottK> Also Ubuntu has already removed their alternate, so we'd be stuck dealing with the entire thing to maintain.
[15:51] <pkt> hmm, just yesterday there was a guy in #kubuntu who had to use alternate
[15:51] <pkt> because of nvidia
[15:53] <pkt> from my point of view it would be easier to drop alternate since it can simplify the cd building scripts a lot
[15:54] <pkt> if minimal can do the same things as alternate can then it would be alright I guess
[15:56] <konqui> If you ask me the way alternate installs the OS is ideal but many won't agree especially since its more complicated and "ugly"
[15:56] <pkt> in what sense the way alternate installs the OS is ideal?
[15:56] <konqui> But if Ubuntu dropped alternate it makes complete sense for Kubuntu to do the same
[15:56] <pkt> because you can configure it more?
[15:57] <konqui> pkt: Yes and it installs .deb packages and can be used as a represitory
[15:57] <BluesKaj> konqui, well I for one am glad the alternate install is available , due to hardware that prevented the livecd from booting 
[15:58] <pkt> especially for bad graphics hardware I 'd guess
[15:59] <konqui> BluesKaj: In fact between 6.10 and 7.10 Ubuntu live would not boot on my old computer due to its monitor. But alternate worked and needed some editing to get the installed version working
[15:59] <BluesKaj> it was ati onboard x200 
[15:59] <Riddell> how's this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-12.10-beta-banner.png
[15:59] <pkt> it looks nice :)
[16:00] <konqui> Riddell: Cool but a bit inconsistent with the web site
[16:00] <Riddell> konqui: how so?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> konqui, I had a really old scrapyard rescued system for my linuxbox that i installed 6.10 , and it was a bit slow but everything installed ok . :) 
[16:01] <konqui> Riddell: I don't think it matches the panel with the icons that well but then again even the current banner doesn't
[16:03] <debfx> yay, proper display management in KDE: http://www.progdan.cz/2012/09/display-management-in-kde/
[16:05] <konqui> Riddell: Certain aspects of the website do look a bit dated like the screenshots and the circles background but the website does the job. kubuntuforums.net is looking nice though  
[16:06] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1057578] Vulnerable against "CRIME" attack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1057578 (by Felix Geyer)
[16:09] <Riddell> konqui: some parts of the website can't be updated except through a sysadmin request, and they usually don't bother to process our requests for ages so it's often too frustrating to do
[16:10] <Riddell> debfx: that afiestas is a useful chap
[16:46] <Riddell> I'm off out for a few hours, if beta 2 gets published before I return please do tick the publish box on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out anyone with access
[17:26] <mparillo> On: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu should I change Beta 1 to Beta 2, or should we wait until Beta 2 is released?
[17:36] <konqui> Since 12.10 seems to have nothing much over 12.04, why the increased image size?
[18:50] <mparillo> I see Beta-2. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/beta-2/
[18:51] <mparillo> Anybody object to me releasing the news item (https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out) and updating the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu to say Beta-2?
[19:10] <mparillo> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out is live and on the http://www.kubuntu.org/ home page
[19:22] <Tm_T> mparillo: from my POV the fact that image is on the server doesn't mean it's released
[19:33] <skaet> ScottK, Riddell - announce is out now.
[19:38] <mparillo> So, I was 23 minutes early? Sorry.
[19:46] <yofel_> mparillo: there is usually a mail to ubuntu-announce@lists.ubuntu.com when it's out
[19:47] <yofel> skaet: is that ^ the right place to watch or do we have something more official?
[19:49] <skaet> ubuntu-announce is where it goes.   I've hit send, so its coming through the system now.
[19:49] <skaet> if not there yet.
[20:02] <Riddell> banner updated https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/content/homepage
[20:02] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org  rather
[20:03] <Riddell> hmm, not sure my artistic skills are quite first rate there
[20:05] <yofel> Riddell: according to firefox here, /files/kubuntu-12.10-beta-banner.png doesn't exist
[20:06] <Riddell> ug
[20:07] <Riddell> ok reverted
[20:07] <Riddell> sigh, that website is so broken
[20:09] <yofel> saw the banner for a short moment on www-admin, not too bad if it wouldn't be hidden
[20:35] <debfx> hm why do we have kexi on the image? how is that useful without the rest of calligra?
[20:36] <Riddell> debfx: incase you want to have a local database
[20:38] <debfx> why would I want that?
[20:41] <debfx> is it necessary to rescue the amarok database in case it decides to screw it up again? ;)
[23:46] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: I think I will attack Muon bashers with a blue foam wacky noodle 
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:51] <sreich> i think it should be red
[23:52] <claydoh> There are some who were unaware that we also have the package manager in addition to the Software Center
[23:52] <claydoh> wonder  how widespread that is, and if we could make that more, um, discoverable
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> that's probably because the Software Center is accessible from Kickoff's Computer tab,
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> so users don't ever go looking for it in the "System" folder, where they could find the package manager too
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> but then it'd be harder for people who really only ever want to use the Software Center to find it...
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> hrm...
[23:56] <claydoh> I know, it does
[23:56] <claydoh> sreich: why red?
[23:57] <sreich> because it's different than the color you chose ;p
[23:57] <sreich> and i feel like some bikeshedding. haven't had any of that in a while ;-)
[23:57] <claydoh> Ok. red it is :)