[01:17] <ianliu> My messaging menu indicator is gone... Any hints on how I can put it back?
[01:33] <jbicha> ianliu: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[01:35] <ianliu> jbicha: yes, I upgraded from 12.04 long ago, at Alpha phases. I guess after some updates, my messaging menu is gone. All seems to be installed: indicator-messages, libmessaging-menu.
[01:41] <jbicha> ianliu: do you have empathy installed? are you using a different theme?
[01:42] <ianliu> jbicha: I did removed empathy some days ago, but installed now to see if this was causing the problem. My theme is Radiance
[01:43] <ianliu> jbicha: although I've changed the icon theme to Faenza
[01:43] <jbicha> try changing the theme back to Ambiance or Radiance to see if that fixes the problem
[01:44] <jbicha> do you use Gwibber?
[01:45] <ianliu> jbicha: changed themes, no luck. Maybe I should logout/login? I will try that, brb
[01:47] <ianliu> jbicha: ohh, it appeared again! I guess it was empathy (or any app that uses messaging menu). I've removed them all since I don't use them, but I would like to test the integration with websites
[01:49] <jbicha> a new feature in 12.10 is that the messaging menu will go away if you don't have any messaging apps
[01:49] <jbicha> I've not found webapps to be that useful yet; maybe I'm not using it right
[02:19] <wilee-nilee> Hello channel, so with gnome 3 the bottom panel looks like this any news with this. http://imagebin.org/229966
[02:23] <bjsnider> i think that's normal sir
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> bjsnider, Should be clear has been on all other setups and about 1/4 in vertical height
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> in size
[02:26] <jbicha> wilee-nilee: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.6/users-message-tray.html
[02:27] <bjsnider> gnome users = things must never change
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> Ah I wondered if it was a cough development. ;)
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> the whole screen moves, kind of disconcerting oh well.
[02:28] <jbicha> people complained that the message try covered up what they were working on
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> jbicha, Yeah that was a irratant I have the cairo-dock on the bottom it moves up with the showing of the tray, it will be better I suspect.
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> irritant*
[03:08] <BebopSteve> HELP I'm drunk and I'm not sure if I'm qualified to be using my ubuntu system without fucking shit up as root, but oh wait I
[03:08] <BebopSteve> http://askubuntu.com/questions/192283/how-do-i-restore-previous-launcher-icons-in-docky THIS
[03:09] <BebopSteve> again with the wrong window
[03:09] <BebopSteve> I am really sorry, mischat
[03:09] <BebopSteve> I need to close this because I don't use betas often
[03:10] <BebopSteve> HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE, DRINK MORE RUM
[07:00] <gnomefreak> anyone else notice the following command no longer works.
[07:00] <gnomefreak> gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:maximize,minimize,close"
[07:00] <gnomefreak> i tried changing metacity to unity compiz act... nothing works
[07:23] <frybye> Hi any ideas for fixing problem with deb's like google-earth and acroread which produce fault report with "bad package?"
[07:24] <frybye> deleting packages and re-download does nothing..
[07:42] <frybye> is there a net split or something - no dialogue here...?
[07:44] <gnomefreak> no no netsplit but seeing as it isnt yet 4am here others may still be a sleep or just afk
[07:47] <frybye> in berlin here 9:46h but you have a point...
[07:50] <frybye> gnomefreak: are you using 12.10 - any issues with installing from deb's?
[07:59] <gnomefreak> frybye: i am using 12.10 and so far i havent had anyy issuers with apt or dpkg
[08:01] <frybye> you don't use the software center...?
[08:02] <frybye> I guess under the hood that also uses same code or..?
[08:05] <gnomefreak> frybye: i cant stand the software center
[08:10] <frybye> ok
[08:39] <X-tonic> hi, is 12.10 expected to have lightdm equivalent of gdm 3.6 lock screen?
[11:08] <vega-> hasn't that been already in many releases..
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:20] <X-tonic> vega
[11:20] <X-tonic> u mean the unity-greeter?
[11:21] <X-tonic> what i mean is the gdm redisgned lock screen which shows time, notification, volume access, network info in the lock screen. I did browse launchpad but i got nothing
[11:22] <X-tonic> is there an equivalent for 12.10?
[11:22] <vega-> oh, no idea
[12:17] <whitman> Which package should I report a bug against when I don't know which it is? One of my monitors is corrupted on the login screen and after login, the only way to fix is to disable the monitor in the display settings and re-enable.  Previously worked fine 12.04.
[15:27] <Milos_SD> hi
[15:27] <Milos_SD> I'm trying to upgrade to Ubuntu 12.10 beta, but I have i little problem
[15:28] <Milos_SD> upgrade manager does it's thing to change repositories, but then I get this error: Unable to get exclusive lock when doing upgrade
[15:28] <Milos_SD> I don't have apt, dpkg or synaptic running ..
[15:39] <genii-around> Are you using sudo?
[15:39] <genii-around> Or rather... what command are you using
[15:40] <Milos_SD> "update-manger -d" from dash run command
[15:40] <Milos_SD> and then I click Upgrade to 12.10 ...
[15:40] <philinux> thats the right way
[15:40] <genii-around> Milos_SD: Put sudo in front
[15:40] <Milos_SD> I used that last 6 years :D
[15:40] <philinux> you dont need sudo it will ask for password when needed
[15:40] <philinux> try it from a terminal
[15:41] <Milos_SD> philinux, you mean, to try to start update-manger -d from terminal, or to use terminal command for upgrade ?
[15:42] <philinux> start a terminal then use the command
[15:45] <philinux> Milos_SD: any joy
[15:45] <Milos_SD> philinux, half the way :)
[15:45] <Milos_SD> philinux, now I get the error I know how to fix :D
[15:46] <philinux> Milos_SD: what is the error?
[15:46] <Milos_SD> can't calculate packages size or something like that
[15:47] <Milos_SD> I need to restore default xorg
[15:47] <Milos_SD> I have one from xorg-edgers
[15:47] <Milos_SD> :)
[15:47] <philinux> Milos_SD: ah yes and I would disable all ppa's
[15:51] <Milos_SD> I guess I'll need to do a clean install ... it is a pain in the *** to restore default xserver without ppa-purge (it doesn't work on 64bit ubuntu)
[15:51] <Milos_SD> prossponing upgrade to the final release :)
[15:52] <philinux> Milos_SD: ppa purge works on 64 bit I always thought
[15:53] <Daekdroom> I had trouble getting rid of xorg-edgers on x64 12.04 LTS when I wanted to upgrade to 12.10
[15:53] <Milos_SD> philinux, it doesn't have good multiarch support
[15:53] <Daekdroom> I eventually was able to do it.
[15:53] <Daekdroom> Yeah. The issue was exactly the multiarch support.
[15:53] <Milos_SD> so it wants to delete all system :D
[15:53] <Daekdroom> I solved it by removing all 32-bit packages, purging, then reinstalling them, then upgrading.
[15:54] <Milos_SD> Daekdroom, purging all 64bit packages from xorg-edgers?
[15:54] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[15:54] <Daekdroom> You could try ppa-purge -i as well
[15:54] <Daekdroom> -i should make it use apt-get instead of aptitude. aptitude is what has trouble with multiarch.
[15:56] <Milos_SD> Daekdroom, the same problem :)
[16:03] <philinux> Milos_SD: post a thread in here. There's a bunch of peeps use that ppa. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=416
[17:30] <penguin42> anyone else using konsole - I'm finding the 'copy link address' isn't working
[17:33] <djazz> how long is it to ubuntu 12.10 beta 2?
[17:36] <penguin42> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[17:36] <penguin42> djazz: ^
[17:36] <penguin42> ooh, today apparently
[17:36] <djazz> yeah i know..
[17:36] <djazz> today
[17:37] <djazz> but its usually earlier, around 16-17. here its soon 20:00
[17:37] <djazz> i keep refreshing http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[17:37] <djazz> :
[17:37] <djazz> :D
[17:41] <konqui> Hi the quantal beta 2 is installing and the x button to cancel scanning apt mirrors does not work; it continues refreshing represitories
[17:45] <bjsnider> penguin42, you use kde man?
[17:46] <penguin42> nod
[17:46] <bjsnider> ugh
[17:46] <penguin42> it's very nice thank you :-)
[17:51] <Filar> Hello, where can I find beta2 download? I can't find it in google.
[17:53] <trism> Filar: beta2 isn't officially out yet
[17:54] <djazz> beta2 is out!
[17:54] <djazz> yay
[17:54] <djazz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[17:55] <trism> looks like beta1 to me
[17:55] <Filar> ah, I saw these previews, and thought it's already out
[17:55] <Filar> thank you
[17:55] <djazz> the torrent dont work..
[17:55] <djazz> "Downloading from 0 of 0 clients"
[17:56] <Filar> djazz: it's beta 1
[17:56] <djazz> title says Beta 2 and so does all files
[17:56] <Filar> april fools?
[17:56] <trism> not here
[17:57] <djazz> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-12.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:58] <Filar> djazz: can you travel in time?
[17:58] <djazz> hm, the last modified times on the page, what timezone are those?
[17:58] <djazz> Filar: time is 19:58 here
[17:58] <Filar> same here
[17:58] <Filar> but perhaps you have a different timezone :P
[17:59] <djazz> "26-Sep-2012 06:46" for ubuntu-12.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:59] <djazz> :S
[17:59] <Filar> still beta1 here
[17:59] <djazz> the iso link dont work?
[17:59] <Filar> 404
[17:59] <djazz> hm
[17:59] <Filar> well, now it works
[17:59] <Filar> weird
[18:00] <djazz> heh
[18:00] <Filar> but few minutes ago I had file not found on this server
[18:00] <Filar> and the page still indicates beta1
[18:00] <Filar> or no, it does not
[18:00] <Filar> :D
[18:01] <Filar> but how did you have it a few minutes before us?
[18:01] <djazz> Filar: i got F5 skills
[18:01] <Filar> I was also trying F5
[18:01] <djazz> brb make ubuntu tea (well, tea in ubuntu mug)
[18:01] <Filar> w/o any result
[18:01] <djazz> different server maybe?
[18:01] <djazz> DNS?
[18:02] <Filar> google's
[18:02] <Filar> 8.8.8.8
[18:02] <Filar> trism, did you have the same situation as me?
[18:03] <trism> Filar: indeed, actually it still says beta1 for me
[18:03] <Filar> trism, so maybe try to chenge dns to 8.8.8.8?
[18:04] <Filar> change*
[18:04] <djazz> lol
[18:04] <djazz> now i see Beta 1
[18:04] <trism> Filar: oh I don't really mind I am already on quantal
[18:04] <Filar> hahah
[18:04] <djazz> now beta 2, now beta 1 again
[18:04] <djazz> :S
[18:04] <yofel_> the DNS would still be the same...
[18:05] <Filar> mindf*ck
[18:05] <penguin42> hey that's the wonders of mirrors, let it propagate out
[18:07] <PeterME_> Hi, after I installed Beta 2 my wm doesn't seem to be working..
[18:07] <Filar> PeterME_: so you managed to download beta2 :)
[18:07] <PeterME_> Yup
[18:08] <trism> PeterME_: not working in what way?
[18:08] <PeterME_> I followed this guide while still running 12.04 to get rid of Unity and I think that might have messed something up
[18:08] <PeterME_> I followed this guide while still running 12.04 to get rid of Unity and
[18:08] <PeterME_> http://superuser.com/questions/411850/after-installing-ubuntu-how-do-i-get-rid-of-unity-and-go-back-to-gnome
[18:08] <PeterME_> No borders on windows, no resizing buttons and unable to move windows around (kind of all related to each other)
[18:09] <trism> PeterME_: I would start with: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop;
[18:10] <trism> PeterME_: or actually you may want to try ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[18:10] <PeterME_> It says it's already in the newest version
[18:11] <PeterME_> Second one seems to do something
[18:12] <trism> PeterME_: oh so did you only install gnome-panel? (the first answer in that thread suggested removing a bunch of stuff that should have removed ubuntu-desktop)
[18:12] <PeterME_> I did remove all that stuff, but some of it may have been reinstalled during upgrades (either to 12.10 or by accident earlier)
[18:13] <djazz> writing iso to usb.. :D
[18:15] <trism> PeterME_: which session are you using? (Gnome Classic I would guess, might try Gnome Classic (no effects), see if it is a compiz issue)
[18:15] <PeterME> Hmm, tried logging in and logging out
[18:15] <PeterME> Didn't help much
[18:15] <PeterME> (After installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop)
[18:16] <trism> PeterME: yeah that probably won't help, I thought initially you may have been missing packages if ubuntu-desktop wasn't installed during the upgrade (but since you already had it that probably isn't it)
[18:17] <trism> PeterME: perhaps an issue with your user settings, if you were to create a new user, does their session look alright?
[18:18] <PeterME> Hold on, I'll check
[18:19] <PeterME_> Nope, didn't work
[18:20] <trism> PeterME_: hmm, notice any major errors in ~/.xsession-errors?
[18:20] <trism> PeterME_: sounds like something is crashing
[18:23] <PeterME_> (gnome-panel:15701): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accelerator_parse_with_keycode: assertion `accelerator != NULL' failed
[18:23] <PeterME_> Not sure what that is but it's the only one that seems, well, critical
[18:24] <trism> PeterME_: does the panel show up?
[18:24] <PeterME_> Yes, everything but window borders
[18:24] <trism> PeterME_: if gnome-panel is there and works then that probably isn't the issue
[18:25] <trism> PeterME_: is this Gnome Classic with compiz or Gnome Classic (no effects) with metacity?
[18:25] <djazz> hm
[18:25] <djazz> the computer froze during the writing of the usb
[18:26] <djazz> had to reboot
[18:26] <djazz> never happened before
[18:26] <djazz> and omgubuntu has ofc already made a video about the new beta
[18:26] <PeterME_> I chose the Gnome Classic option, so I guess that's with compiz?
[18:26] <djazz> joey is so fast
[18:27] <trism> PeterME_: might try the other one, maybe compiz is having issues
[18:28] <PeterME_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gx29w2u2hp2tx0y/Screenshot%20from%202012-09-27%2020%3A24%3A43.png
[18:28] <trism> PeterME_: is compiz-gnome installed?
[18:28] <PeterME_> There's a screenshot btw, just to make sure you understand the problem
[18:28] <trism> PeterME_: yeah that looks like compiz crashing
[18:29] <trism> PeterME_: any crash reports in /var/crash/?
[18:29] <PeterME_> Yup, compiz-gnome is installed
[18:29] <PeterME_> A couple
[18:29] <PeterME_> Hmm, one gnome-panel crsh
[18:31] <PeterME_> And a Nautilus crash..
[18:31] <trism> PeterME_: but no compiz crashes?
[18:32] <PeterME_> No, got one gnome-control-center crash
[18:32] <PeterME_> Hold on, I'll try Gnome Classic (No effects)
[18:32] <trism> not really stuff you want to crash but nothing that should cause what you are seeing
[18:33] <PeterME> Well, that works fine
[18:34] <trism> PeterME: yeah would definitely seem to be a compiz issue, can you pastebin your full ~/.xsession-errors?
[18:34] <PeterME> But all the Window buttons are back on the left hand side. Not a big problem though
[18:34] <PeterME> Sure
[18:34] <trism> PeterME: after logging into the compiz session that is
[18:36] <PeterME_> http://pastebin.com/j6bpVpNW
[18:37] <trism> PeterME_: ah hah, I saw this earlier in the cycle, it is only loading core and ccp plugins
[18:37] <trism> PeterME_: thought it was fixed though
[18:37] <PeterME_> trism: hmm
[18:38] <trism> PeterME_: let me see if it works for me, one sec
[18:38] <trism> PeterME_: ah, not working here either
[18:39] <trism> jbicha: did a patch get dropped in gnome-session 3.6?
[18:39] <PeterME_> Guess I'll just use it without compiz for the time being
[18:39] <trism> I suppose I could look at the package and see
[18:55] <jbicha> PeterME_: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[18:55] <PeterME_> Yes
[19:00] <PeterME_> Hmm, how to I get the close, minimize and maximize buttons over to the right hand side?
[19:13] <prodnix> Hi all, Im lookin for help to get my passthrough ATI VGA card to work in ubuntu 12.10 guest. I have the device in lspci, i have the driver installed (fglrx) and used aticonfig to make a default xorg.conf but I am unable to get the card to work. Everytime I boot the machine i get the popup at boot sayin my devices could not be configured. Any help would be hugely appreciated
[19:14] <trism> jbicha: PeterME_ sorry gnome-session not to blame, looks like we don't have a default compiz profile anymore, bug 1036752
[19:23] <PeterME_> trism: okay, looking forward to a fix. Do you know how to move the close, minimize and maximize buttons to the right hand side by the way?
[19:32] <trism> PeterME_: something like: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences button-layout ":minimize,maximize,close"; maybe?
[19:34] <PeterME_> Worked like a charm, thanks
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> we are getting to that point, aren't we ?
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> few updates, more or less stable system