RAOFHuh. Has jockey-gtk broken? The package no longer contains anything but the .desktop file.01:58
RAOFAh, software-sources.01:58
RAOFYou know, Software Sources→Additional Drivers is not the most obvious place to find that :)01:59
TheMusoRAOF: I'd agree with that.02:47
pittiGood morning04:15
didrocksgood morning05:03
* mterry waves at didrocks05:03
didrockshey mterry05:07
pittibonjour didrocks! est-ce que tu vas mieux aujourd'hui?05:28
didrockspitti: guten morgen! Well, it's different, but still coughing a lot and I have to blow my noise quite frequently :/05:30
pittiRAOF: right, jockey-gtk is deprecated in favor of ubuntu-drivers-common and the UI in s-properties05:30
didrocksI hope that for next Monday, it will be ok05:30
RAOFpitti: It should probably no ship the useless desktop file :)05:31
pittiMais oui, ce n'etait pas [intended]05:33
pittimy French only goes so far..05:33
pittithere's no jockey-gtk.install any more and nothing in debian/rules, hmm05:34
didrockspitti: "voulu" :)05:34
pittididrocks: ah, is that from "vouloir" ("want")?05:35
didrocksright ;)05:35
didrocksde rien :-)05:35
pittiRAOF: err, it doesn't?05:35
pittiit just has changelog and copyright05:36
RAOFpitti: http://paste2.org/p/2272726 ? Has it simply failed to delete its conffile?05:38
pittiooh; I think that was dropped ages ago, apparently without proper cleanup05:39
pittiRAOF: right05:39
didrocksdesrt: just tested your patch, working great! :-)06:20
didrocksdesrt: so, you don't condemn the guilty developer it seems :)06:21
desrtdidrocks: meh06:35
desrtdidrocks: all of the other gobject property functions accept you confusing _ and -06:35
desrtthis one may as well work the same06:36
desrtdidrocks: comment on bug?06:36
didrocksdesrt: will do06:39
didrocksneeds rebooting, brb07:52
asacrunning bleeding edge and very fresh quantal install ... unity launcher does not remember "lock to launcher"07:54
asace.g. after relogging all my customizations seem to be gone07:54
asaclet me see if its also about order or if it just forgets NEW items07:54
asacnow it remembered it07:55
asacguess someone fixed it underneath :)07:55
Laneyoh my08:00
Laneydidrocks: did the scope of that remote disabling bug change again?08:00
didrocksLaney: indeed, it did change08:02
didrocksLaney: so cutting all online connexions now08:02
Laneydo we have to do it like that this release? :(08:03
seb128hey desktopers08:22
seb128hey didrocks, Laney08:22
Laneyhow are you?08:22
seb128good, though I wish the UI changes would settle and stop at this point08:23
didrockssalut seb128!08:23
Laneysame :P08:23
didrocksseb128: I think we all wish :)08:23
Laneyalso this room is really cold for some reason08:24
* Laney runs some builds to warm up08:24
didrocksLaney: yesterday, the weather was really like the one you had in UK apparently here08:25
didrocksLaney: today, blue sky… no cloud08:25
didrocksquite impressive :)08:25
seb128we have sun here08:25
Laneyit's actually like that here08:25
seb128but it's chilly outside08:26
seb128well, it gets colder when you have a clear sky08:26
Laneynot sure how cold it is outside, but this room is on the wrong side of the house for morning sun anyway08:26
didrocks23°C with any heater inside :) 16 outside (19 this afternoon), it's ok :)08:26
Laneyseb128: you won't believe this08:26
seb128Laney, we found our new webkit maintainer \o/ only a true maintainer could build the beast :p08:27
didrocksLaney: you didn't try armhf yet! :-)08:27
* seb128 hides08:27
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone08:27
chrisccoulsonhah, unlucky ;)08:28
LaneyUbuntu doesn't have maintainers™ ⓒ ⓡ08:28
Laneyyeah, telling that to chrisccoulson :P08:28
chrisccoulsoni can't help but feel insulted when people say that ;)08:28
didrockshey chrisccoulson08:29
chrisccoulsoni should just change the maintainer field of firefox to my name ;)08:29
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks08:29
seb128chrisccoulson, good morning, how are you?08:32
chrisccoulsonhi seb128. i'm good thanks, how are you?08:33
seb128I'm good thanks08:33
chrisccoulsonmmm, pot of coffee is ready :)08:34
* Laney is asking for an arm PPA to try it there08:34
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tkamppeterpitti, hi08:36
pittihello tkamppeter08:36
tkamppeterpitti, it is about bug 1052897. CUPS has dropped its broadcasting/browsing feature and now the cupsd.conf files of the users have a lot of obsolete entries which prevent CUPS 1.6.1 from starting. See comment #3 and the following comments.08:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1052897 in system-config-printer "Printer sharing via CUPS broadcasting dropped in CUPS 1.6.x" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105289708:38
pittierr, why was that dropped?08:38
pittiin a .1 version?08:38
pittitkamppeter: so I guess that requires some conffile surgery in postinst if the conffile is modified08:39
tkamppeterpitti, the problem is the correct handling of the config file. If I let postinst simply remove/comment out the offending lines, there will appear conffile questions.08:39
pittitkamppeter: no, there shouldn't08:39
tkamppeterpitti, it was dropped from 1.6.0 on already, so with the 1.5.x -> 1.6.x transition.08:40
pittitkamppeter: if the conffile is unmodified, the new version will just ship the fixed one08:40
pittiand if it's modified, you'll get the question anyway08:40
tkamppeterpitti, but when I let postinst delete lines in the user's cupsd.conf, the file gets modified, causing the question.08:42
pittitkamppeter: no, you must only do this if it is alraedy modified08:42
tkamppeterpitti, so I check first if there are offending lines, which would mean that the user's modified file got conserved and if so, I remove the lines?08:43
pittitkamppeter: well, I'd hope that the default conffile in 1.6.1 is already correct?08:44
pittitkamppeter: so an unmodified file should not have any offending lines08:44
tkamppeterpitti, yes, this I have already taken care of.08:45
tkamppeterpitti, and this means that every file with offending lines is a modified user file which got conserved.08:45
tkamppeterpitti, is it also correct to do the removal in postinst? Or has it to be preinst?08:47
pittitkamppeter: postinst is better08:48
tkamppeterpitti, yes, otherwise the old default file with offending lines could be there, causing a modification when the user did not modify anything.08:48
pittiit needs to be done before #DEBHELPER#, i. e. before starting cupsdd08:49
tkamppeterpitti, OK, I will do so.08:50
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seb128XDG_RUNTIME_DIR coming :p08:59
chrisccoulsonseb128, will that fix https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/76fc48c3-05c0-4bfe-87f0-10ec62120926 ? ;)09:02
seb128chrisccoulson, if desrt is not lying yes ;-)09:03
chrisccoulsonexcellent :)09:05
chrisccoulsonalthough, there's only around 2 of those per week ;)09:05
seb128chrisccoulson, well, that's only for nfs and ecryptfs users09:05
seb128which are not most of users09:05
pittiOMFGbuilt! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.33.14-1ubuntu609:09
pittibut at the price of making tests non-fatal on arm; with our current arm builders that's a lost cause09:10
seb128pitti, \o/09:11
seb128pitti, bien joué ! ;-)09:12
pittiseb128: the "fun" thing is that it failed twice even without fatal tests (gcc ICE)09:12
pittiso perhaps we need to disable the compilation stage as well :)09:12
didrockspitti: I saw that, I had to grab it this morning for some desrt's linked experiment! Congrats :)09:12
RAOFseb128: You'll be happy to know that I know the cause for a large majority of colord crashes.09:14
RAOFseb128: You'll be less happy to know that fixing it in precise will involve a significant rewrite.09:14
seb128RAOF, hey09:14
seb128RAOF, :-(09:15
RAOFBasically because libsane is the worst library ever.09:15
seb128RAOF, ken suggested it was just an init to libdbus threading09:15
RAOFseb128: Yeah, I've got a package that fixes that in the precise-proposed unapproved queue already; I suggested that fix to Ken :)09:15
RAOFBut that's not all the bugs.09:16
RAOFMost of the rest of the bugs appear to be aborts and crashes in libc, which I'm pretty sure is because libsane leaks fds, so colord/colord-sane slowly runs out of fds until it crashes.09:16
seb128do we need libsane? can't we just use colord for screen and printing coloring? ;-)09:17
RAOFScanners are kinda important in the colour management world :)09:18
RAOFThis will be not abhorrent to fix in Quantal, because colord-sane is already a separate dbus-activated binary; I'll just make it do exactly one sane probe, then die and be respawned for the next probe.09:18
seb128thanks a lot for looking into those09:18
RAOFBut precise doesn't have the split-out colord-sane, so to fix it there requires first splitting out a colord-sane.09:19
RAOFOr disabling sane support, I guess.09:19
seb128I would suggest the second option09:19
seb128I doubt it's a very used feature anyway in its current form09:20
RAOFYeah, would certainly be safest.09:21
RAOFIn that we *know* we're breaking that support, but are pretty unlikely to break anything else :)09:21
seb128it's not like that support was working great anyway09:22
seb128it ends up to segfaults :-(09:22
pittiso, I guess at that point I can upload glib 2.34.0 to Debian and Ubuntu09:22
RAOFseb128: Well, it works fine for a couple of hours at least! :)09:23
seb128pitti, \o/09:23
pittiseb128: I kept 2.33.14 in -proposed in the hope of getting that into b2, but that's moot now09:24
seb128RAOF, when are those fds leaked? like how often does it happen, does it happen if you don't make use of color calibration?09:24
seb128pitti, yeah, no chance of that to happen09:25
pittiit's only making a difference on arm anyway09:25
RAOFseb128: They're openned on either sane_open() or sane_get_devices(), an not freed in sane_exit(), which is on a timer to probe for new scanner devices, because libsane doesn't give you notifications.09:26
seb128"on a timer" :-(09:26
RAOFseb128: Also, it sane_open/get_devices/sane_exit because sane has an internal device cache which gets out of sync with the actual devices available.09:26
seb128how nice...09:26
RAOFYeah, if sane wasn't a horrible library, colord wouldn't have to poll it.09:27
seb128let's get your workaround of exiting and respawing every time in quantal09:27
seb128we can discuss turning the backend off in precise later09:28
seb128I want to see first how much reports we still get after the currently waiting SRU09:28
seb128I wonder if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1047431 is a gtk issue :-(09:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 1047431 in gedit "gedit crashed with signal 5 in _XReply()" [High,Confirmed]09:29
seb128#10 0x00007fe53cb70534 in gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display (atom=0x81, display=0x7fe52c00c990) at /build/buildd/gtk+3.0-3.5.16/./gdk/x11/gdkproperty-x11.c:24409:29
seb128        name = 0x1fa4c50 "_NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK"09:29
seb128hitting a BadWindow Xerror09:30
dpmthanks pitti for the donation! \o/09:34
pittidpm: my pleasure, great and crazy idea!09:34
geserto fix a FTBFS with "Only <glib.h> can be included directly." the right fix is to do as the error says, right?10:08
pittigeser: correct10:10
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jbichadidrocks: what? Design changed the opt-out back to "Include online search results" ?12:46
didrocksjbicha: indeed12:46
didrocksjbicha: that's why I sent the email ASAP12:46
didrocksand have done the additional lenses changes12:46
didrocks(which impacted quite a lot of lenses)12:47
didrocksjbicha: all lenses by default and the wikipedia one from extras are supporting it now12:47
jbichawill that be disabling the gwibber lens too?12:49
didrocksjbicha: yeah, all online connexions12:51
didrocks(see the bug report, I updated it for it removing the specific part for the shopping and other lens contents)12:52
jbichaok, thanks!12:54
didrocksjbicha: I gave a screenshot to jono, do you need it?12:54
didrocksjbicha: exactly the same, but with the string change12:55
jbichaI think I'll be fine without it12:55
didrocksthanks jbicha :)13:02
didrocksand sorry again ;)13:02
pittithere, have a built glib 2.34.0: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.34.0-1ubuntu113:02
seb128pitti, pitti 1 - 0 glib ;-)13:03
pittiyeah, the second half of that game went in my favour :)13:04
seb128pitti, wait, glib doesn't give up that easily, I'm sure it will take its revanche at some point13:04
pittino doubt13:05
geserit teams up with other packages to hit pitti from behind?13:05
* desrt raises an eyebrow13:06
* pitti tosses a piece of chocolate to desrt13:06
desrtglib troubles?13:07
pittinah, just took 9 uploads/20 builds to get the damn thing building :)13:07
pittiit's more like "arm builder troubles"13:07
pittiit's hitting other packages as well13:07
pittibut as glib has such a large and pedantic test suite, it hits it particularly hard13:07
desrti choose to believe that having a large and pedantic testsuite is a positive thing :)13:14
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didrocksjcastro_: hey, around?13:18
didrockskenvandine: hey! how are you?13:18
tkamppeterpitti, fixed CUPS package uploaded to Quantal, thank you for the help.13:19
pittitkamppeter: thanks, no worries :)13:19
jcastro_didrocks, yep13:23
didrocksjcastro_: so, I think you heard about bug #1054746 :)13:24
ubot2Launchpad bug 1054746 in gwibber "[FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable online-fetched results in lenses" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105474613:24
didrocksjcastro_: I have a branch for the ask* team to support the options in 3 of their online scope in their lens help13:25
jcastro_ok, that's mark tully iirc?13:25
didrocksjcastro_: can you ensure they review it so that we can push the change :)13:25
didrocksjcastro_: yeah, I think you know them, right?13:25
jcastro_I do13:25
jcastro_should I add an Affects also to their lens in launchpad?13:26
didrocksjcastro_: it's done, isn't it? I only found AskUbuntu Lens Remove13:26
didrocksoupss, without Remove, thanks launchpad :)13:26
jcastro_oh, I see it13:26
didrocks(first line)13:26
jcastro_ok, on it!13:26
didrocksthe MR is attached to the bug13:26
didrocksnow ken's turn, where is ken? :-)13:27
jcastro_kenvandine, hey, get to work13:27
didrocksjcastro_: oh, in case they ask, they will need libunity trunk (they can use the package in the staging ppa)13:29
didrocksthanks again :)13:32
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seb128jcastro_, be nice with the man for his birthday13:33
kenvandinei think i was just bit by the same problem robru had yesterday14:04
kenvandinescreen went to sleep... and wouldn't wake up14:04
kenvandinebut did accept input14:04
kenvandinewell... only showed me the wallpaper14:05
kenvandinebut if i typed it was entering text in the file i had open in vim :)14:05
seb128kenvandine, I wonder if that's the same issue tjaalton is tracking14:06
didrockshappy birthday kenvandine!14:07
tjaaltonI might have something to test shortly..14:07
didrockssounds really like the same14:07
didrockstjaalton: we are talking about the critical one we discussed 2 weeks ago, right?14:08
didrocks(the one impacting precise and quantal)14:08
kenvandinethx :)14:08
kenvandinethis is the first time i have seen it14:08
tjaaltondidrocks: still the same. upstream noticed there was a race in the uxa pageflip code, so I'm now building a snapshot of -intel that people can try14:08
kenvandinei tried to get unity back by running setsid unity and unity --replace14:08
kenvandinenothing worked14:08
kenvandinei assume video driver14:09
didrockstjaalton: oh, excellent news!14:09
kenvandineyeah, intel driver14:09
didrockskenvandine: you are quite lucky14:09
didrockskenvandine: really getting it a lot for the past 3 months here :)14:09
kenvandinerobru googled for his password :)14:09
didrockskenvandine: yeah, basically, all opengl is screwed14:10
didrocksyou can run metacity though14:10
kenvandineah, i didn't try that14:10
kenvandinetjaalton, what is the bug #?14:10
didrockskenvandine: see the top critical bug for the desktop team on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html :p14:11
kenvandineok :)14:11
kenvandineso that says with suspend14:12
kenvandinemine never suspended14:12
kenvandineit was plugged in and left alone for 30m14:12
didrockskenvandine: seems a recent change is triggering it more when the screensaver is kicking in14:12
kenvandineprobably same bug... but might not be just suspend that triggers it14:12
didrocksI wonder if compiz became more effective and we are triggering the race more…14:13
didrockskenvandine: so, I have a gift for you!14:13
didrockskenvandine: do you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/gwibber/disable-online-search-support/+merge/126613?14:13
didrockskenvandine: you need libunity trunk14:13
kenvandinedidrocks, how urgent is that? i have 27 new packages to upload for webapps :)14:15
kenvandinei think i will be very busy for my birthday14:15
tjaaltondidrocks: oh well, now it hangs on login, progress! :)14:15
didrockskenvandine: very urgent, like for start of next week? :-)14:16
didrockskenvandine: chill out, there is time until next unity release ;)14:16
didrockstjaalton: with the patched version? :/14:16
kenvandinehumm... nothing in the gwibber lens is really "online"14:16
didrockskenvandine: it fetches the content from online sources, isn't it?14:17
didrockstwitter and so on14:17
davidcallekenvandine, fetching icons and images is (but I'm not sure it's in the scope of this setting).14:18
kenvandinenope... gwibber-service does14:18
kenvandineit mostly loads the icons from the gwibber avatar cache14:18
kenvandinebut the image thumbnails are loaded online14:18
didrockskenvandine: hum, so you need that in the scope and in the service, right?14:19
didrockskenvandine: maybe I should let you dealing with the service part :)14:19
kenvandinewell, i wonder if this setting really applies to the gwibber lens/scope14:19
didrockskenvandine: it does14:19
didrockskenvandine: explicitely asked by design14:20
didrockskenvandine: all online connexion initiated/accessed through the dash/lenses14:20
kenvandineok, so then that would be just loading those thumbnails14:20
didrockskenvandine: so please review it when you have time, I can help on the service side is needed, but I will surely be less effective than you14:21
seb128mterry, howdy14:35
mterryseb128, hello14:35
seb128mterry, can you chase the design guys about their workitems on the unity-greeter blueprint?14:35
seb128mterry, or just mark them postponed if you think that's right14:35
mterryseb128, guh they have so far been unresponsive the two times I did  :)14:35
mterryseb128, yeah, I'll try to figure out status myself.  Will be faster  :)14:36
seb128mterry, maybe just postpone the lot then?14:36
seb128mterry, thanks14:36
seb128Sweetshark, hey, you still have some 11 workitems for quantal, can you go through the list and update the status of those than should be postponed? like you have some "needs-packaging" bugs on there, it's late for that this cycle...14:37
mterryseb128, just postponed them.  I haven't seen any of these design outputs.14:37
seb128mterry, ok, makes sense14:37
Sweetsharkseb128: how do I WI that is actually a bug kinked to a blueprint? unlink it?14:45
Sweetsharks/do I /do I postpone/14:45
Sweetsharkseb128: the rest is mostly done I guess, I justs didnt get around to verify them.14:47
kupcsikHi, I'm using 12.04 LTS. I would like to overclock my ivy brdige i5-3570k. I set it to 4.5 Ghz +0.1 V, works well in windows. but in Linux the maximum recognized frequency is 3.4Ghz. That means the turbo boost doesn't work neither. What could be the problem?14:52
ogra_kupcsik, support is in #ubuntu14:53
kupcsikahh ok, sorry14:53
ogra_this channel is for packaging and fixing desktop packages14:53
mitya57oh, alacarte on quantal is harmful16:07
mitya57it empties ~/.local/menus/applications.menu16:07
mitya57which makes most of DEs fail to start :(16:08
Sweetsharkjasoncwarner_: ping?16:21
mitya57whoops, that seems to be a *very* old bug:16:21
ubot2Launchpad bug 97449 in alacarte "[apport] alacarte crashed with ExpatError in parseFile()" [Medium,Expired]16:22
seb128Sweetshark, you have a "Unlink a bug" on the blueprint page16:29
seb128Sweetshark, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-libreoffice-lo-menubar-polish/+unlinkbug for example16:29
seb128Sweetshark, or you can probably nominated the bug for q and r and put it wontfix for q if you think it's going to be fixed in r16:30
seb128some days I hate linux16:44
seb128came back again to find a blank screen16:44
tjaaltonok, if there are folks who can reproduce the compiz hang with intel on dpms cycle, please test the driver in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~tjaalton/lp966744/17:41
tjaaltonamd64 build available17:42
robrutjaalton: ok, I'm a bit busy right now but I'll get to it within an hour17:42
robruok tjaalton, so you want me to install those three debs, reboot, and then try to reproduce the issue?17:57
tjaaltonrobru: just the intel driver17:58
tjaaltonI removed the kernel image, that was for earlier testing17:58
tjaaltonlogout should be enough17:58
tjaaltonrobru: you can reproduce it every time the screensaver blanks the screen?17:58
tjaalton*can you17:59
robrutjaalton: couldn't reproduce it by manually locking the screen, but if I leave my computer unattended for 5 minutes, then I'd come back to the blank screen of death. every time.17:59
tjaaltonyou can change the timeout to 1 minute18:00
tjaaltonto speed up the testing18:00
robruok, new driver installed, just need to log out. brb18:01
robrutjaalton: ok, just booted in. gimme a sec to re-enable the screen lock18:07
tjaaltonno need to enable screen lock, just the timer to blank the screen :)18:07
tjaaltonbut either way is fine18:07
robruok, set for 1 minute either way, will let you know what happens18:08
sarnoldcan you use xset dpms force on ; xset dpms force off ; to toggle it immediately?18:08
tjaaltonwon't trigger the bug here, but others :)18:09
tjaaltonwon't trigger _this_ bug I mean18:09
robruok, so i did see the screen lock dialog just now, and it did unlock the screen successfully. gimme a few more minutes to try a few different things though18:10
tjaaltonbut sounds good..18:10
robrutjaalton: yeah, I can't seem to reproduce it anymore. yay! ;-)18:18
tjaaltonrobru: phew, thanks18:18
robruthanks ;-)18:18
sarnoldkenvandine: btw, typo "additionnal" in hromium-codecs-ffmpeg description18:21
kenvandinesarnold, i should be doing an upload soon, i'll fix that18:26
sarnoldkenvandine: thanks :)18:26
sarnold(it sure doesn't feel worthy of a bug report, but if you're in irc anyway :)18:26
kenvandinesarnold, ok, i've fixed it in the packaging branch18:29
kenvandineso it won't get forgotten :)18:29
sarnoldthanks kenvandine :)18:29
robruhey jbicha, any word on gdm/gnome-session?18:30
jbicharobru: that was fixed last night18:37
robrujbicha: I'm getting an error when I try to dist-upgrade18:37
robruThe following packages have unmet dependencies:18:37
robru gir1.2-mutter-3.0 : Depends: libmutter0 (>= 3.6) but 3.5.92-0ubuntu1 is installed18:37
robruE: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.18:37
robruOh, -f seems to be working this time. I thought it didnt' before.18:39
kenvandinetjaalton, i tested you intel driver, with 1 minute sleep on19:24
kenvandinealthough i had only hit the bug once (probably because i had the timeout set for 1 hour)19:24
kenvandinei have let it timeout a bunch of times19:25
kenvandineno problems19:25
tjaaltonkenvandine: thanks!19:25
kenvandinetjaalton, thank you19:25
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robruSweetsha1k: LOL22:37
xnoxSweetsha1k: in general quite repetitive =))))22:45
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