cjwatsonbdmurray: I hope my comments in bug 1039484 and the rationale for why I don't think this should be done in python-apt make sense00:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039484 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "Accents in sources.list breaks do-release-upgrade" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103948400:05
cjwatsonbdmurray: You mention "two places" in the MP - what's the other?00:05
mfischrobert_ancell: I responded to your question on gnome-icon-theme-symbolic00:21
robert_ancellmfisch, my point is neither the gnome-icon theme git log (http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/log/) or tarball show any of these changes for gnome-icon-theme00:25
brycehinfinity, jockey and nvidia-common fixed and re-uploaded00:31
brycehinfinity, I renumbered nvidia-common to which I suspect is more correct since it's an SRU of a native package; the previous upload was 0.2.46... I'm assuming it's not too late to redo the number but if so I can redo it as .46.00:33
rickspencer3hi bryceh00:33
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mfischrobert_ancell: sorry, I had it backwards, updating the bug00:43
mfischrobert_ancell: looks like this is only a version change00:44
infinitybryceh: That should be fine, lemme give them a once-over right now.01:11
bdmurraycjwatson: yes, it makes sense that merge proposal was a bit stale.  I believe it was also crashing in logging.debug() although it isn't happening with my test now01:12
cjwatsonIt'll depend on the other arguments.  In general, in Python 2, attempting to do unicode_value % utf8_byte_string_value will fail.01:14
cjwatson(Which logging.debug may do under the covers.)01:15
infinitybryceh: The fix for #976779 ... Shouldn't the package ship the /var/lib/nvidia-common directory?01:15
infinitybryceh: Or does hybrid-detect write the directory as well as the file?01:15
brycehlemme doublecheck01:16
infinitybryceh: Yeah, looks like it just does an fopen() on the filename, so that's going to fail without the directory being present.01:17
infinitybryceh: Probably needs fixing in quantal too, if this was a straight backport.01:17
brycehin setup.py is:                ("/var/lib/nvidia-common/", glob.glob("share/last_gfx_boot")),01:19
brycehinfinity, let me check the deb but I think it establishes the dir at package install time01:19
infinitybryceh: Ahh, I didn't notice that setup.py was creating the path.  That'd do it.01:19
bryceh-rw-r--r-- root/root         5 2012-09-20 07:04 ./var/lib/nvidia-common/last_gfx_boot01:20
brycehyep, it's in the .deb01:20
infinityAccepting both, then.01:21
brycehthanks :-)01:21
infinitybryceh: Thanks for fixing all the nit-picking. ;)01:22
mfischrobert_ancell: someone registered the wrong upstream project for sonic, I'm going to fix it03:39
robert_ancellmfisch, yeah, there's a suprising number of those - I don't know if that was people or a script that linked them03:41
mfischit caused me some confusion, but it's fixed now03:43
mfischrobert_ancell: what's the fix for this?  dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address03:55
mfischrobert_ancell: there's a control field I think I can use, can't remember what it is03:55
robert_ancellmfisch, it's just the maintainer field03:56
robert_ancellwe just set them to Ubuntu Desktop if they're maintained by the desktop team03:56
mfischthe last upload was NMU as well03:58
mfischso it somehow worked03:58
mfischI did talk to the maintainer BTW03:58
jetsaredimis there an easy way to unpack the source of a given package to see how it's built?03:59
jetsaredimwithout having to setup a whole development environment?04:00
mfischjetsaredim: apt-get source <package>04:00
jetsaredimwhere does it get deposited?04:01
mfischin your current directory04:01
mfischand you don't need to use sudo04:01
infinitymfisch: That warning is implying that you should run "update-maintainer(1)"04:01
mfischinfinity: so that just un-made Bill Cox the maintainer04:04
infinitymfisch: Bill Cox being the Debian maintainer?04:04
mfischI assume so04:05
mfischhe's the upstream maintainer04:05
infinityYes, well.  That's correct.04:05
infinityUbuntu-modified packages are maintained by ubuntu-devel.04:05
mfischI'm still curious how the last upload worked, but I'll make this change04:05
mfischthanks infinity04:06
infinityAnd the original maintainer is set as Original-Maintainer in the control info.04:06
infinityThe last upload may have worked if you didn't have DEBEMAIL set when you built it.04:06
mfischmust have been (it wasn't me who did it)04:06
infinityWhich makes the hard error turn into a warning, for reasons the devscripts maintainer has never convinced me make sense.04:06
mfischthat script set "XSBC-Original-Maintainer", I assume that's right04:07
infinityEither way, it's Ubuntu policy to change maintainer when we change packages, so the Debian maintainers don't get hassled about things we change/break in Ubuntu.04:07
infinitymfisch: It does it right, yes.04:07
jetsaredimits been a while since I wrote/reviewed Makefiles but where would the configure script be called?04:07
mfischthanks, I was worried that changing it was a rude thing to do maybe ;)04:07
mfischjetsaredim: usually in ./configure?04:07
infinitymfisch: No, not changing it tends to be the rude thing.  This policy was at the request of Debian. :)04:07
infinity(Or, rather, many many Debian developers)04:08
jetsaredimmfisch: no i mean where is that called from04:08
jetsaredimlike where are the options defined for calling configure04:08
infinityjetsaredim: If you're talking about packaging, in debian/rules04:08
mfischah, well it's done durin...04:09
mfischwhat he said04:09
infinityjetsaredim: If you're building by hand, nothing calls configure, you do.04:09
jetsarediminfinity: i'm trying to figure out what is causing an issue I'm seeing with a given package04:11
jetsaredimtcdecode which is part of transcode is complaining about not being able to handle mpeg204:11
jetsaredim(in quantal)04:11
jetsaredimwas just trying to see if the configure option had been set to include the --enable-libmpeg204:12
jetsaredimwhich is seems to have - so now i'm a bit baffled04:12
mfischjetsaredim: sounds like you'll want to setup a build environment and see how it was built04:12
jetsaredimmfisch: i'm a little over my depth at this point04:14
mfischjetsaredim: how did you figure out if that flag was enabled?04:14
jetsaredimits listed in the rules file04:14
pittidoko_: more like 0:8 :(04:14
jetsaredimconfflags += --enable-libmpeg204:14
pittiGood morning04:15
jetsaredimmfisch: ldd seems to think that none of the transcode utils are linked to libmpeg204:15
mfischpitti: thanks for the talk this morning04:16
mfischjetsaredim: I'm not familiar with that package unfortunately and it's my bedtime, did you file a bug and attach what you figured out?04:16
jetsaredimmfisch: only thing I can think of is that the configure needs both --enable-libmpeg2 AND --enable-libmpeg2convert04:16
mfischjetsaredim: that should be easy for you to test04:17
jetsaredimmfisch: i'm in the process of re-opening an old bug for the same issue04:17
mfischjetsaredim: do you know how to build it and install build-deps?04:17
mfischjetsaredim: actually I can build it for you for quantal real quick04:18
jetsaredimi was hoping to not turn this system into a build box04:18
jetsaredimif you don't mind that would be awesome04:18
mfischjetsaredim: whats the package again?04:18
mfischi386 or amd64?04:19
jetsaredimi think just adding a line to debian/rules to add the --enable-libmpeg2convert might do it04:19
jetsaredimi'm amd6404:19
mfisch transcode 3:1.1.7-2build1 is what I'm seeing04:19
jetsaredimyep - that's the current 12.10 version04:20
mfischokay, pulling build-deps04:20
jetsaredimi suppose if i'm going to play around with this stuff i should probably learn more about packaging04:21
jetsaredimbeen a while since i messed with any debs04:21
pittidoko_, infinity: OK, after 8 or 9 tries I give up, and make tests non-fatal on armel/hf04:21
mfischjetsaredim: you want a binary or package?04:29
mfischlet me upload the package04:30
jetsaredimmfisch: package works04:30
mfischjetsaredim: glad that option worked for you04:39
jetsaredimyea - now i can make my perfectly legal backups of my dvds04:39
ScottKdoko_: Would you please retry ktorrent on armhf in the rebuild.  I think it will work now.05:15
pittiinfinity: meh, now glib2.0 failed on armhf during compilation; shall I disable that part as well? :-)06:24
* pitti just sticks fingers in ears, sings "lalala" and hits "retry"06:24
dholbachgood morning07:04
pittihey dholbach, guten Morgen07:04
dholbachhey pitti07:04
earthling_What do you guys think of the Amazon Ubuntu Search feature?  Should it be included in 12.10?07:11
pittiI think it should be in the dash search, but not in the launcher as an icon07:11
pittisabdfl: good morning, how are you?07:11
pittisabdfl: amazon icon in the launcher certainly stirred some "discussion"?07:12
earthling_pitti, that is reasonable07:12
* pitti mubmles "billboard"07:12
RAOFMy amazon icon disappeared as soon as I clicked on it.07:12
RAOFWhich was odd.07:12
penreturns yup its call unity lens shopping07:12
RAOFI wonder if the U1music icon will do the same.07:12
earthling_I'm actually still using 10.04 , works well enough for me07:12
pittiRAOF: amazon icon does the same here, u1 ms WFM07:13
earthling_I am interested in all the new changes07:13
RAOFHm. Nope. Apparently the U1music icon doesn't do anything, though.07:13
pittiRAOF: for me it opens firefox with the u1 music page07:13
RAOFDoesn't seem to want to do that here.07:14
pittiI tried it in a guest session07:14
earthling_penreturns, is there a way to turn it off?07:14
penreturnsyup u can remove the package07:15
pittimy user doesn't have any of the default launchers except nautilus07:15
penreturnssudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping07:15
RAOFpenreturns, earthling_: Or twiddle the setting in Privacy07:15
RAOF(That'll exist once didrocks' package lands after B2)07:16
earthling_I've never seen so much press about a development issue07:17
earthling_other than Unity, heh07:17
RAOFOr... what was the other one?07:17
RAOFOh, Banshee-amazon-referral.07:18
RAOFThere seems to be roughly one per release :)07:18
earthling_Shuttleworth's discussion on the Amazon Dash issue   http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/118207:25
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sabdflpitti, sure, not unexpectedly07:54
sabdflwe need to do a good job of giving people privacy options, and security07:55
sabdflbut i think 12.10 will have all that07:55
pittiright, I specifically asked about the launcher icon07:55
sabdflthen the tin foil hat crowd can go somewhere else, where they will be disappointed by their new overlords i'm sure :)07:55
sabdflpitti, oh, is there an issue with the icon?07:55
pittisabdfl: I think the dash search is fine (modulo privacy options blabla, but we have that), I just don't particularly like the icon in the launcher which looks like an "Amazon" billboard07:56
pittithe u1 music store is still closely related to Ubuntu, but I have a feeling that adding the amazon icon there breaks a dam07:57
pittibut anyway, I guess that was discussed over and over, so perhaps I STFU to not open up old wounds again07:58
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sladenpitti: I believe we ship  http://start.ubuntu.com  containing a Google logo08:07
pittisladen: that doesn't clutter up the default desktop, though; not only do we already have too many starters by default, they now also contain non-ubuntu ads08:08
jussiIs the amazon thing in the default (super only) dash?08:09
pittisladen: I hope we at least get some good dimes from amazon for that :)08:09
Laneythere's a webapp icon in the launcher too08:10
sladenjussi: the Amazon lens, is "just" the Amazon lens---however all lens get combined sourced to the default <Super> action08:13
sladenjussi: eg. a bit like Google searching everything by default; or you can select just images, just usenet, just patents08:14
sladenjussi: and it seems to be this aspect that people maybe concerned about.  However, pitti's point is seemingly(?) about the icon being there in-your-face08:15
sladenpitti: ^^can you clarify?08:15
pittisladen: yes, that and that we already abuse the launcher too much and put too many default icons there08:15
jussiyou might calm the flames a bit if you introduce a bunch of others, not just amazon, and do what browsers do - a first run service selection for your dash08:15
jussiie. when I install chrome, it asks me which search engine I want08:16
seb128pitti, oh, fighting this battle again? ;-)08:17
pittiseb128: I didn't really see the previous ones; I just raised my eyebrow when I saw the new icon yesterday08:17
LaneyI clicked it once to see what would happen and then it disappeared on its own and never came back :P08:17
pittiseb128: the "overfull launcher", yes, that comes up all over again and nobody seems to care08:17
Laneypitti: design argued that the concertina effect is there for just this purpose, so it's not a problem08:18
sladenthe one positive suggestion, is that below the installer MP3 tick box we have another default-ticked "enable handy online stuff [you probably want this too]"08:18
sladen(the one positive suggestion that I've heard)08:18
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1054167 that's this08:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1054167 in unity (Ubuntu R-series) "Unity launcher for Quantal Beta 2 has too many items, scrolls off the screen on 1366x768" [Undecided,Confirmed]08:19
jussisladen: yeah, I like that suggestion08:19
Laneydoko_: https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/webkit2/+packages08:29
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cjwatsonsladen: while it might work out to be a nice approach, it's punting a UIFE off onto foundations and it's a fair number of moving parts to get settled down in time for final freeze ...08:40
cjwatsonso, well, if that turns out to be the answer I just hope it occurs to somebody that we need actual notice of this kind of thing and some time08:40
cjwatsonthis is exactly why this should have landed before FF, to allow time for consequential changes elsewhere *grump*08:41
evmpt: what are your thoughts on including a projection line on the graph? Something akin to this http://baykeeper.org/data_viz/official-sea-level-rise-projection08:42
mptev, look at the Quantal graph. Imagine a projection line on that. It would be slowly accelerating upwards, hitting about 0.15 on release day.08:45
evcall me pessimistic, but that's what I expect will happen08:46
mptev, we know that's not going to happen because we humans know stuff about the release process that a projection line does not.08:46
ev:) fair enough08:46
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cjwatsonev: Do you have any idea why https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fsoftware-properties-gtk%3AKeyError%3A%3Cmodule%3E%3A__init__%3Ashow_drivers is showing up in 0.92.6?  That line of code was changed in 0.92.409:03
cjwatson(and should have fixed that bug)09:03
cjwatsonI could understand that versions might be out of sync if it were a daemon process or something, but I wouldn't have expected software-properties to be long-running09:04
evcjwatson: it's still a pretty low count, so it could be the "they upgraded while the program was still running" problem09:04
evwe filter those out for crashes sent to Launchpad, but we're still working through the solution for daisy:09:04
cjwatsonmm, right09:05
cjwatsonpossible I suppose09:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039220 in apport (Ubuntu Quantal) "don't report crashes for programs that don't match the file on disk (like for kernel crashes)" [Medium,In progress]09:05
evand https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/apport/no-unreportable/+merge/12608209:05
mptev, do you know when the next rollout will be?09:06
cjwatsonev: that bug appears to be waiting for you to follow up :-)09:07
evmpt: of what feature? :)09:07
mptev, the graph mainly09:07
cjwatson(or maybe I'm misreading)09:07
evcjwatson: I followed up in the merge proposal, but I'll note that in the bug09:07
evmpt: I'll file and RT and ask for a rollout today09:07
evan RT*09:07
mptev, btw did you realize the legend has disappeared?09:09
evmpt: I made it do so, per your mockup09:09
evI need to implement moving it to the bottom09:09
evmpt: since we will soon be able to show graph and table data for just packages in -proposed, I'm questioning the need for being able to filter to arbitrary versions of specific packages09:20
evwell, questioning it a bit more09:20
evand of course we already split out release by release data09:21
evI guess it helps because we haven't quite solved updates09:21
everr never mind, you'd see what's important in the normal view there09:22
earthling_Off switch being made for the shopping lens   http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/is-an-off-switch-for-the-shopping-lens-in-the-works09:26
pittijdstrand, infinity: how are we supposed to get lpia builds for hardy updates these days? our only buildd seems disabled09:40
pittican I temporarily recruit an i386 or amd64 builder to build https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-8.3/8.3.21-0ubuntu8.04/+build/3857919 ?09:48
cjwatsonYeah, I think that should work - feel free to try09:48
pittiok, trying on aatxe09:51
pitticjwatson: nice, that seems to work; it's past the tests in the debhelper stage10:01
cjwatsonoddly reassigning a PPA builder didn't seem to work10:02
cjwatson(I asked on #launchpad-ops)10:02
* pitti reassigns aatxe back to i386 duty10:02
cjwatsondid you have to set it to manual and back or anything like that, or did you just change the processor type?10:03
pitticjwatson: I did set it to manual first, but more out of a habit10:04
pittito set it back I just changed the arch (it was idle then)10:04
pitticjwatson: you can tell a PPA builder to build ubuntu packages?10:04
cjwatsonNo, to ppa/lpia10:05
cjwatsonI'll try manual/auto10:05
pitticjwatson: ah; we do have a working lpia PPA builder, though10:07
cjwatsonwe do?  gold is disabled10:07
pitticjwatson: so, it worked without manual in one direction10:07
cjwatsongumiho is the one I'm trying to reassign10:07
pittiaah, I see; that's the one I was seeing10:08
cjwatsonit says lpia but is persistently idle10:08
cjwatsonI guess I don't care that much; I'll reassign it back in a bit if it doesn't do anything10:08
pittiaatxe picked up the waiting job within seconds10:08
cjwatsonyeah, I saw10:08
pittiso, no idea what's wrong here :(10:08
* cjwatson is looking forward to b2 being out so that he can stress-test the new queue-accept-should-never-time-out thing10:09
pittiis there a target time when we unfreeze today?10:10
cjwatsonnot that I know of10:10
pittii. e. the point of no return^H^H^H^Hspin10:10
pittithat reminds me, christmas wish #23: a queue tool option to accept a "quantal" upload into "quantal-proposed" instead, so that stuff can already build and get autopkgtest-ed10:12
cjwatsononce we have britney operational we'll just redirect everything from devel to devel-proposed10:12
pittibut that'll soon fix itself anyway when all uploads get built in -proposed10:12
pittiright :)10:13
pittihttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/ tests -proposed now10:13
* cjwatson wonders how hard changing the suite in the queue would actually be10:13
cjwatsonIt *might* just be a matter of making PackageUpload.pocket (and PU.distroseries?) writable10:14
cjwatsontests would be an absolute git to write though10:14
pittiprobably not worth the effort; it just came to my mind again10:15
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Laneydoko_: do you plan to do any build log analysis / bug filing from the rebuild test?10:36
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MohamedAlaa98Hello, please help me, I want to update a package to new version for quantal, can I do this or that is incompatible with feature freeze?12:10
tumbleweedMohamedAlaa98: there needs to be a good reason for it, and it should be thoroughly tested, etc.12:25
MohamedAlaa98thumbleweed: please explain it for me, what do you mean by "a good reason"?12:27
MohamedAlaa98tumbleweed: *12:28
tumbleweedMohamedAlaa98: it needs to be worth the risk12:28
l3onHi.. do you think it's still possibile add youtube-dl 2012-09-27 in quantal?12:29
tumbleweedl3on: any particular reason?12:30
MohamedAlaa98tumbleweed: okay thanks :D12:30
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l3ontumbleweed, first reason I found: there's a bug downloading playlist .. something in youtube has changed in last months12:30
tumbleweedl3on: sounds good. file an ffe12:31
l3ontumbleweed, great!.12:31
jdstrandpitti, cjwatson: so afaik, you need to do what you did. I don't have the perms to do it, so I don't know the exact steps12:32
cjwatsonjdstrand: yeah, it's all right, sorted now12:34
jdstranddidrocks: hi! do you know if there is a bug already for 'ctrl+lt+t' not opening a terminal. if not, what package should that be filed against?12:34
jdstranddidrocks: google is not helping me... :\12:34
didrocksjdstrand: yeah, it's because of duplicated keys on compiz and g-s-d12:35
didrocksjdstrand: there is a fix coming with next compiz12:35
didrocksjdstrand: but you can workaround it for now12:35
didrocksopen gnome-control-center -> keyboards -> keybindings12:35
didrockssection Launcher12:35
didrocksIIRC, "Launch a terminal" is the one which is bound to the actual compiz code, ensure it's set to ctrl + alt + t12:35
didrocks"Launch a Terminal" should be unset12:35
didrocksjdstrand: once the next compiz will be here, be aware that "Launch a terminal" will disappear and you will have to set "Launch a Terminal" then to ctrl + alt + t (as you would have unset it)12:36
jdstranddidrocks: thanks! after the compiz update, will I have to set that back?12:36
jdstrandoh, heh12:36
jdstranddidrocks: thanks again, this was mildly annoying :)12:37
didrocksjdstrand: sorry for the trouble :)12:37
jdstranddidrocks: not a big deal, I just wanted to make sure it was filed/fixed12:37
Kanohi cjwatson12:38
didrocksjdstrand: it's a typical case where 2 > 1 isn't a real advantage :)12:38
Kanocjwatson: when grub-pc is installed + grub-efi-amd64-bin then grub is installed only for efi but with config for mbr12:40
Kanocjohnston: thats wrong, tested with debian exp -712:40
Kanocjohnston: you definitely have to modify grub-install12:42
Kanoerr cjwatson always ;), the efivars check is not optimal alone, when you use a different bootloader like gummiboot or direct uefi boot but you want to use grub for selection of other legacy systems like win12:45
l3ontumbleweed, these are changes in youtube-dl.. what you think about it? is it better apply only patch rather than bump a new version of package ?12:48
l3ontumbleweed, sorry - these are the changes -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1230335/ ^12:51
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dokoLaney, the analysis for main and package sets was done. asked amoog for filing the universe bug reports. however the universe rebuild will take time until after the weekend12:53
dokodidrocks, seb128: ping about the gnome/gtk header include fixes ...12:54
seb128doko, what about those?12:54
dokosee backlog12:54
dokodidrocks, seb128: is there an easy work around for #warning "Including <librsvg/rsvg-cairo.h> directly is deprecated." ?12:54
seb128don't include it directly?12:54
dokothere are a lot of these in universe12:55
dokoseb128, please fix12:55
seb128what? universe buggy apps?12:55
seb128sorry I've enough work on the default installation issue and that's higher priority than universe random packages12:55
dokodarktable, gstreamermm, subtitleeditor are those in package sets12:55
seb128well, whoever is owning one of those set can look at them I guess12:56
geserdarktable is already fixed (waiting in queue)12:56
geserI'm trying to through the rebuild results and fix them when I see them12:57
seb128geser, thanks12:57
dokohonestly such changes should told once new gtk/gnome changes get uploaded12:57
dokobe told12:57
seb128it's hard to know what has an impact or not, they did similar change to lot of libs over time, I don't want to spam lists with every change GNOME does to its libs12:58
dokoyeah, so better leave it to other to detect and fix12:59
seb128it's not like you were emailing the list about every single toolchain change either...13:00
seb128see the stl abi issue that didrocks has to track down earlier in the cycle13:00
Kanocjwatson: next bug: get rid of -w for efibootmgr, it just overwrote my hd uuid, that means my win install does not boot (mbr), my hd is mbr with efi as primary partition. -w kills win13:05
dokoseb128, bullshit. the known toolchain changes were announced, with hints how to fix. the abi issue was not known13:08
seb128doko, the include issue was not known either13:08
dokoyou call yourself a tech "lead", so please be proactive13:08
seb128doko, I didn't call myself that13:08
dokoseb128, I doubt it, it did pop up for precise as well, and afairc it was reverted13:09
seb128doko, that was in glib13:09
seb128no librsvg13:09
seb128which has another scale and was handled properly13:09
dokoright, see subtitleeditor13:09
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dokoand gstreamermm13:09
seb128right, you come with like 5 rdepends13:09
seb128can't we just fix them and move on?13:09
seb128it doesn't seem worth the discussion13:10
dokono, I can't fix hundreds13:11
seb128is it really hundreds?13:12
seb128we should probably revert the librsvg change if that's the case13:12
dokostart with glib if you really do care13:13
seb128$ grep-available -s Package -F Build-Depends librsvg2-dev /var/lib/apt/lists/*quantal*Sources | sort | wc -l13:13
seb128I don't see how it can be "hundreds"13:14
seb128when there is less than 100 sources using librsvg13:14
seb128what about glib?13:14
dokothere are hundreds of build failures. if you address those which you introduce with new upstream versions yourself, ... it would help a lot13:15
dokoagain see subtitleeditor and gestreamermm13:15
seb128I've no time for universe sorry13:15
seb128I can file bugs asking those to be removed from quantal if that helps13:16
dokobeing productive today?13:17
seb128I was until you started that IRC discussion13:17
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seb128I'm sorry but it's just not realistic to expect me or whoever upload glib and gtk to be responsive for ever years old unmaintained universe source13:17
seb128I'm happy to get those dropped from the archive if nobody has time,motiviation to fix them though13:18
seb128that's the best I can offer you today13:18
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seb128that said, going back to what I was working on13:19
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smoserslangasek, wonder if you have a thoughts13:39
smoserif an interface is brought up in the kernel (ipconfig)13:40
smoserthen when network-device-added comes through, it is 'ifup' will fail, and not call the upstart hooks for ifup13:40
smoserso static-networking wont fire. even though it already is set.13:41
smoseropen-iscsi has some "helper" stuff to get this fired for the device that its iscsi root is on. but i'm wondering if there should be a more general solution.13:42
geserseb128, doko: a fixed gstreamermm and subtitleeditor are waiting in the queue13:46
seb128geser, thanks a lot13:46
stgrabersmoser: that sounds like bug 101043913:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1010439 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "ifup fails prematurely if the same static IPv4 address was configured per kernel command line" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101043913:47
stgrabersmoser: any such interface really ought to be marked as "inet manual" though, that way ifupdown should do the right thing13:47
smoserstgraber, yes, yes it does.13:47
seb128dpm, hey13:48
seb128dpm, do you know why https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/unity-lens-shopping/ is empty ?13:48
smoserstgraber, the issue with 'inet manual' is that it wont apply to static-networking13:48
smoserwhen imo, it should13:48
smoser(ie, if that nic is up from the kernel, and its the only one in /etc/network/interfaces as 'auto', then static-networking should fire)13:49
dpmseb128, hm, it seems there hasn't been any .pot file imported, I was wondering about this the other day, but at that point there wasn't a source package uploaded yet. Maybe the uploaded package didn't create a .pot file? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/unity-lens-shopping/+imports13:49
seb128dpm, the build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/116724481/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.unity-lens-shopping_6.0.0-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz has13:50
seb128"Running xgettext --add-comments --directory=. --default-domain=unity-lens-shopping --flag=g_strdup_printf:1:c-format --flag=g_string_printf:2:c-format --flag=g_string_append_printf:2:c-format --flag=g_error_new:3:c-format --flag=g_set_error:4:c-format --flag=g_markup_printf_escaped:1:c-format --flag=g_log:3:c-format --flag=g_print:1:c-format --flag=g_printerr:1:c-format --flag=g_printf:1:c-format --flag=g_fprintf:2:c-format --flag=g_sprintf:2:13:50
seb128c-format --flag=g_snprintf:3:c-format --flag=g_scanner_error:2:c-format --flag=g_scanner_warn:2:c-format --output=unity-lens-shopping.pot --files-from=./POTFILES.in.temp --keyword=_ --keyword=N_ --keyword=C_:1c,2 --keyword=NC_:1c,2 --keyword=Q_ --keyword=g_dgettext:2 --keyword=g_dngettext:2,3 --keyword=g_dpgettext:2 --keyword=g_dpgettext2=2c,3 --from-code=UTF-813:50
seb128Removing generated header (.h) files...done.13:50
seb128Wrote unity-lens-shopping.pot"13:50
seb128sorry, didn't realize the xgettext line was a long one13:50
dpmseb128, I see it was in universe and then went to main. Could that have affected it?13:50
seb128dpm, it could I guess13:51
* dpm builds package locally to see what translations look like13:51
stgrabersmoser: hmm, my understanding is that if you configure network from the initramfs and have the interface marked as "inet manual", then when network-device-added is received, the ifup <interface> will succeed and statis-network-up will be emitted (assuming it's the only interface)13:51
seb128didrocks, ^ do you plan an upload soon for unity-lens-shopping?13:51
didrocksseb128: there is one start of next week13:51
didrocksI can make a dummy upload if needed13:52
didrocksto have it rebuilt13:52
seb128didrocks, see other channel13:52
stgrabersmoser: anyway, an alternative would be for the initramfs script to do: "mkdir -p /run/network/ && touch /run/network/ifup.$INTERFACE"13:52
seb128didrocks, ignore that ... do you want me to do the dummy upload?13:53
stgrabersmoser: oh, and you'd also likely want "echo $INTERFACE=$INTERFACE > /run/network/ifstate" so that ifupdown doesn't try to bring it up again13:53
didrocksseb128: fine with me :)13:53
seb128didrocks, ok, doing it13:53
stgraberbut that sounds like a hack to me, having the interface configured as inet manual should do the trick...13:54
didrocksseb128: the packaging branch in lp:ubuntu/unity-lens-shopping :)13:54
seb128didrocks, thanks13:54
didrocksthanks to you :13:54
dpmseb128, hm, I can't seem to be able to build the local package, I'll leave it to you guys and the new upload13:54
smoserstgraber, i'll see if manual works.13:54
smoseryou think it will get bounced?13:55
seb128dpm, sure13:55
smoserstgraber, i think you're right. manual should work.13:56
stgrabersmoser: with manual, the interface shouldn't be touched but the if-up scripts should be run, which is what I think we want13:56
seb128dpm, thanks13:56
stgraberIIRC that's what I implemented in casper for netboot installs and what we have in LTSP, so if that doesn't work, we need to figure out why and fix it :)13:56
smoserstgraber, shoot. the one other thing is that i want resolvconfhooks to fire.13:56
smoserthey will, right?13:56
stgraberthey are if-up hooks, so they should still be called13:57
smoserstgraber, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-initramfs-tools/cloud-initramfs-tools/trunk/view/head:/dyn-netconf/scripts/init-bottom/cloud-initramfs-dyn-netconf13:58
smoserthat is what i'm working on.13:58
smoseri'll just write manual instead of auto on line 68 then.13:58
smoserand hopefully magic will occur13:58
smoser(basically, this writes a /etc/network/interfaces style file in /run/network/dynamic-interfaces. the filesystem that i'm using will have /etc/network/interfaces as a symlink to ../../run/network/dynamic-interfaces)13:59
stgraberdo you actually need networking later on in the initramfs?14:00
smoserlater on?14:00
stgraberotherwise you could flush all IPs from the devices and let ifupdown do the work14:00
smoserwell, for this, its iscsi-root14:00
smoserso yes14:00
stgraberright :)14:00
smoserbut i think in general leave it14:00
* ogra_ wonder why we still dont have a generic networking function in the initramfs functions we could just source14:01
ogra_casper uses it, nfs, ltsp and iscsi ... and there are likely more14:02
stgraberiscsi-root will need "inet manual", if not booting from iscsi you can probably do an "ip addr flush" at the end of your script and stick with "inet static"14:02
stgraberogra_: yeah, extending the networking function a bit would be nice, though so far I haven't seen two identical use cases for it ;)14:03
stgraberogra_: for example, LTSP doesn't use ipconfig, it uses udhcp with a separate hook that overrides ipconfig :)14:03
ogra_stgraber, well, all of then do the same thing somehow14:03
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ogra_(make you end up with properly configured network)14:04
ogra_its just a matter of making the function generic enough so i can be used in all contexts14:04
* ogra_ thinks that would probably make a good UDS topic, though it might clash with event nased initranfs which will require rewriting these bits anyway14:05
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Laneydoko: Actually my question about filing bugs was related to that14:12
Laneyif you have the facility to detect patterns like those #errors from including the wrong headers directly and can, say, tag the bug reports as such14:13
Laneythen it might be a good thing to do and get some fixed as part of dholbach's bug fixing initiatives14:13
dokoLaney, svammel could certainly extended for that14:25
tumbleweedif geser hasn't fixed them all first14:26
geserI only fixed 10 so far14:27
tumbleweeddon't stop now14:28
debfxdoko: what's the result of the qt build with -gstabs? did it change anything?14:28
slangaseksmoser, stgraber: seems hard to generalize from this; I can see cases when you might do ipconfig but subsequently want to reconfigure the interface with ifupdown post-initramfs14:30
smoserslangasek, i think in that case you should bring the interface down in initramfs.14:30
smoser(or perhaps even on network-device-added)14:30
slangasekhmm, perhaps14:30
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stgraberyeah, my recommendation would really be to flush all addresses after ipconfig has run if you're using static config and don't need networking for your rootfs14:32
dokodebfx, Laney tried. I think it didn't help14:35
Laneydoko: actually it did14:35
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Laneyin PPA, but not locally for some reason14:36
Laneys/2// has the almost final build I'm testing ATM14:44
micahgcjwatson: are deb-src lines sufficient for the test on Bug #1053896 ?14:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1053896 in ubuntu-keyring (Ubuntu Precise) "Add new archive key to precise" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105389614:48
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cjwatsonmicahg: I'd like to test with deb lines as well14:48
cjwatsonmicahg: I'll do it in a chroot now14:49
cjwatsoneasy enough14:49
cjwatsonsbuild chroots> best thing ever for this kind of thing14:49
* micahg just noticed the warning on apt-get update this morning due to the deb-src lines14:49
cjwatsonI seriously used to copy chroots around.14:49
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cjwatsonmicahg: v-done now15:16
Kanocjwatson: did you see my query15:16
brendandcan anyone recommend a good strategy for managing debian/changelog so that conflicts aren't so frequent?15:19
Laneybrendand: Tell your VCS to merge them using dpkg-mergechangelogs15:20
brendandLaney, aha. i notice some projects like unity don't keep changelog with the source - what's that about?15:21
LaneyKeeping packaging and development separate is quite usual, is that what you're talking about?15:22
brendandLaney, yeah15:22
brendandLaney, how is it usually gone about?15:23
xnoxbrendand: separate branch... one just upstream the other one just debian/ folder added.15:24
brendandLaney, xnox - i was also curious about policy around trivial changes. what if i have just added some tests for code written a long time ago. should i always have a changelog entry for that, or is there some rule of thumb?15:26
xnoxbrendand: two changelogs: one upstream the other one debian/changelog.15:27
xnoxfor native packages both collapse into debian/changelog15:27
Laneyalso a NEWS file listing important changes is common15:27
Laneywhereas ChangeLog contains all of them15:27
LaneyI often copy from NEWS into the debian changelog15:27
cjwatsonbrendand: You certainly don't need to list everything in debian/changelog15:28
* ogra_ also likes if upstreams have TODO 15:28
cjwatsonbrendand: It's at the packager's discretion what to list15:28
ogra_so you know about known issues15:28
cjwatsonbrendand: Personally, I generally list (a) upstream changes that have some kind of major user-visible impact or compatibility issues or whatever (b) anything that's known to fix distro bugs15:29
cjwatsonBut there are varying opinions15:29
Laneywhat's a pink background on the error tracker?15:32
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cjwatsonLaney: "regression" - i.e. supposed to be fixed but shows up in >= the fixed version.  (in practice this is often because the program hasn't been restarted since the upgrade.)15:34
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cjwatsonDaviey,smoser: bug 901600 - once that's fix released, quantal cloud images should be able to apply overrides in /etc/default/grub.d/*.cfg.  Do you want to try to do that for 12.10?15:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 901600 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "Allow /etc/default/grub overriding via /etc/default/grub.d/" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90160015:41
cjwatsonI've milestoned that for 12.04.2 as well15:41
smoserutlemming, ^15:42
cjwatsonThought you might15:42
utlemmingvery nice15:43
barryzul: still looking at bug 1056820 or should i take a look at it?15:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1056820 in feedparser (Ubuntu Quantal) "feedparser ftbfs in quantal, test suite failures" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105682015:49
zulbarry: no still looking15:49
barryzul: okay, i'll work on something else.  cheers.15:50
infinitypitti: Not sure if anyone answered, but when I notice a build in the lpia queue, I just flip an i386 buildd to lpia, let it pick up the build, then flip it back.15:55
didrocksscott-work: hey, FYI, bug #1054746 changed its intent. Jono's blog post reflect the latest design change (I've update the bug 10 hours ago to reflect it as well, when I was telling jono about the change)15:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1054746 in Gwibber "[FFe] [UIFe] No easy way to disable online-fetched results in lenses" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105474615:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 10 in Launchpad itself "It says "displaying matching bugs 1 to 8 of 8", but there is 9" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015:58
cjwatsoninfinity: Yep, that's what he did15:59
ScottKdidrocks: Wrong Scott15:59
didrocksScottK: misleading :)15:59
ScottKdidrocks: Could you update it with the new screen shot too.16:00
didrocksScottK: oh sure, I've given it to the translation team, but I can reupload it (again and again ;)) on the bug, one sec.16:01
mptev, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#errors.ubuntu.com16:01
ScottKThat FFe is not, AFAICT, approved.  Once it gets the correct final, final screen shot in the bug, I'll approve it.16:02
didrocksScottK: updated, we talked about it this morning with Laney, I thought it was enough16:02
didrocks(changed the description to point to latest screenshot)16:03
ScottKIt was clear that one was going to get approved at some point.  It just need the approval in the bug.16:03
evmpt: excellent, thanks!16:03
* mpt wtfs at the switch16:03
utlemmingcjwatson: do you know what would cause a grub2 error of "couldn't find a suitable memory target"?16:03
utlemmingcjwatson: is that an error while loading the kernel or grub itself? I can't find much on that particular error.16:04
cjwatsonYou mean "couldn't find suitable memory target"?16:04
cjwatson./grub-core/lib/relocator.c:1420:      return grub_error (GRUB_ERR_BAD_OS, "couldn't find suitable memory target");16:04
utlemmingyup, that would be the one16:04
utlemmingwe're seeing this on a Windows Server 2012 install16:04
cjwatsonThat appears to be an internal GRUB error indicating that it has failed to allocate memory to load the kernel into16:05
cjwatsonProbably best to bring it upstream if you're seeing this on 2.0016:05
utlemmingcjwatson: what information do we need to bring that upstream? This is being seen on 12.10 B-2.16:06
cjwatsonutlemming: not sure, output from 'set debug=all' might help but hard to be certain16:07
cjwatsonthis is a bit of a weak spot of mine16:08
cjwatsonyou could ask on #grub16:08
ScottKdidrocks: Marked it approved, but I'm out of time to set all the tasks to triaged and set the milestone to 12.10.  Would you please do that or find someone who will.  I need to run off and get some $work done.16:08
utlemmingsure....going the...thank you kindly for the direction :)16:08
didrocksScottK: no worry, I'll do that :)16:10
didrocksScottK: maybe not this evening (launchpad is timing out a lot), but I'll do it16:11
didrocksScottK: thanks :)16:11
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evif I'm moving a file from one binary package to another, both produced by the same source package, do I need to do breaks and replaces? I'm pretty sure I don't, but best to ask these things :)16:32
cjwatsonYes, you do16:32
evoh, good thing I asked16:32
evcheers cjwatson16:32
cjwatsondpkg at runtime doesn't distinguish between binaries from the same source package and ones that aren't16:33
evcjwatson: if you have a moment - does this look reasonable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1230715/16:44
cjwatsonev: you only needs Breaks/Replaces from the new location to the old, not vice versa16:45
cjwatsonev: and as a matter of style I usually use (<< first-version-with-new-location) rather than (<= last-version-with-old-location), just in case people have +ppa1 versions or whatever16:46
evcjwatson: so http://paste.ubuntu.com/1230725/16:48
cjwatsonev: s/0ubuntu3/0ubuntu4/ there.  Otherwise LGTM16:49
evsorry, blasted through that16:49
evthank you muchly16:49
cjwatsoneasy to go cross-eyed with versions16:49
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dpb___pitti: Hi, ahasenack and I hit an unusual problem.  When upgrading lucid -> precise, postgres 8.4 doesn't work after the upgrade.  Only after a (another) service restart, or a system boot.  This makes any package upgrade after that does anything with a postgres database fail.  Known issue?  Is there a way to workaround?17:16
ahasenackdpb___: nice nick ;)17:16
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ahasenackdpb___: paste the error in pastebin17:16
dpb___ahasenack: ya, good plan17:17
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dpb___pitti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1230779/17:18
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tjaaltonif you're seeing bug 966744, check the ppa and ping me here if it works/still breaks on quantal18:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 966744 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Precise) "[i965] Resume from suspend leaves me with black screen or a screen of the desktop before it suspended. Compiz hung in intel_update_renderbuffers() from intel_prepare_render() from brw_draw_prims()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96674418:31
stgrabertjaalton: cool. Installed here, will see if that helps next time I logout18:33
tjaaltonstgraber: thanks18:33
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jdstrandbarry: hi! is there an easy way to run a specific test for python? eg, let's assume I ran 'fakeroot debian/rules patch ; ./configure && make'20:30
jdstrandbarry: so I am now prepared to run 'make TESTOPTS="-j 50" testall', but instead of testall, I just want to run test_urllib2. how do I do that?20:31
barryjdstrand: just run ./python Lib/tests/test_urllib2.py should do it20:31
jdstrandoh, well, sheesh20:32
jdstrandbarry: yeah, that works great. thanks! :)20:33
barryjdstrand: np!20:33
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barryslangasek, doko: re: bug 1056820.  to fix the ftbfs, i did two things: merge from sid version 5.1.2, then remove some build-deps we added previously (python-chardet, python-libxml2, and python-utidylib).  those three cause the test suite to fail, and note that we had *already* disabled those for py3, so now our py2 build env matches.  upgrading to 5.1.2 allows us to drop two patches (including the CVE) which have been applied upstream21:24
barryas of 5.1.2.  now the question is, how do we feel about doing that upgrade, and do we need an FFe?  it's a point release (we have 5.1 in quantal now) with what look like only bug fixes from the NEWS file.  of course, rdeps could be working around those problems.21:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1056820 in feedparser (Ubuntu Quantal) "feedparser ftbfs in quantal, test suite failures" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105682021:24
slangasekbarry: hmm,21:30
slangasekbarry: hmm, let's see if I understand correctly - does this mean we're going from having testing of one version of the bindings, to having testing of no versions of the bindings?21:31
slangasekbarry: as for the FFe question: provided that you're satisfied that the point release is bugfix-only, there shouldn't be any need for an FFe21:31
barryslangasek: no.  we test both versions of the bindings, and still do.  it's just that chardet and friends totally f*cks up the tests.  it just that we realized this with py3 months ago and now realize it w/py221:32
barryslangasek: upstream confirmed that for py3, chardet is generally not useful for feedparser any more.  my assumption is that this has led them to basically obsoleting it for py2 as well21:33
slangasekah, k21:33
barryslangasek: yeah, i think the point release is essentially bugfix-only, from my reading of the NEWS entries.  i'll go ahead and upload it21:35
slangaseksounds good!21:35
zygapitti: there won't be any udisks in checkbox next week! :)21:36
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dokoxnox, please don't disable the tests in git, I'm working with jonathan nieder on a backport21:54
dokobarry, in libxml2 2.9, it's the udeb which ftbfs21:54
xnoxdoko: feel free to reject it from the queue, if it didn't land yet. Or superseed it.21:55
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xnoxdoko: please open a FFe though. it's two major releases jump.21:56
xnoxdoko: or are you cherry picking?21:57
xnoxdoko: what's best course of action for resolving bug 1048036 which is result of my merge as per bug 76345721:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048036 in pyopencl (Ubuntu) "Python OpenCL cannot be installed in 12.10 due to unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104803621:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 763457 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Quantal) "please provide opencl-icd virtual package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76345721:57
xnoxI did ping tseliot about it early in the cycle..... but it's still open.21:58
dokoxnox, backport, not new upstream21:58
xnoxdoko: ok. (In my mind backport is stuff that lands in backports pocket aka new upstream releases and stuff. I guess cherry-picking is a trendy term of the decade)22:00
ScottKdoko: Would you please retry kbruch on armhf in the test rebuild.  A local build worked.22:01
barrydoko: i'm going to unlink libxml2 from bug 1056820.  i don't need to upgrade that to fix the ftbfs for feedparser22:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1056820 in feedparser (Ubuntu Quantal) "feedparser ftbfs in quantal, test suite failures" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105682022:02
ScottKdoko: Looks like ktorrent on armhf is still waiting for a retry too.22:02
dokoScottK, done22:08
ScottKdoko: Thanks.22:08
ScottKOnce the queue is flushed, all the Kubuntu ones that can be fixed (with the exception of Qt and I believe that's in progress) will be done.22:09
SpamapSsmb`: any luck on the network namespace issue in quantal's kernel?22:11
SpamapS[65599.932030] unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 122:11
SpamapSsmb`: pretty much can't use lxc on any quantal machine22:11
xnoxUSN-1586-1 is funny: "arbitrary Lisp code execution"22:34
* xnox goes to check if it affects emacs2422:34
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slangasekrobert_ancell: the glibmm2.4 in the quantal queue appears to introduce new interfaces, but does not bump the shlibs dependency, which means partial upgrades are broken for anything that depends on the new interfaces23:49
robert_ancellslangasek, ah, ok. I should set SHVER in debian/rules to 2.32.0 right?23:51
robert_ancell2.33.13 rather23:51

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