[00:03] <phillw> wxl: until silverarrow can confirm what he is seeing, I cannot ask the release team to look at the seed files.
[00:03] <wxl> that's the wall i ran into, phillw
[00:04] <phillw> that and the fact I have nagged the living daylights out of them on areas where I'm a n00b, I don't want to push my luck before I have gotten the answers to what they will ask me :)
[00:05] <phillw> Bring back Julien :D
[00:06] <kanliot> go to sleep phillw
[00:06] <phillw> I'm not sure if he will laugh or cry in desperation at my attempts to have a 'technical' conversation with the -release team... It certainly has been a steep learning curve!
[00:07] <phillw> kanliot: I'm planning that... a long one.. for week after 12.10 is released.
[00:08] <kanliot> PPC is for the macs
[00:08] <kanliot> there. i said it
[00:08] <wxl> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang
[00:09] <phillw> kanliot: which like so much other well working hardware has been tossed aside in the rush for profits and for people to be forced to buy NEW stuff :P
[00:10] <kanliot> i remember back in the day, you had to spend $3000 to get a horrible computer that would be outdated in 1 year
[00:11] <phillw> kanliot: and now it only takes 3 months... it's called progress.
[00:11] <kanliot> naa
[00:12] <kanliot> pc's are cheaper than they have ever been
[00:12] <phillw> there are blade servers happily running 10.04, and will do for years to come.
[00:12] <kanliot> i only wish you were as happy as your blade servers
[00:12] <kanliot> cheer up pal!
[00:12] <wxl> now it's phones
[00:13] <wxl> carriers/mfgrs want to push the latest/greatest
[00:13] <phillw> I don't have any, but I have in the past chatted to at least one guy who has them at his school, he was so grateful that lubuntu came along in the nick of time. The school could not afford new kit (not 1st world country), and lubuntu 'made a difference'.
[00:14] <wxl> they don't want users of old phones to get the latest updates that are being developed
[00:15] <wxl> other machines with ubuntu and with the same little converter? if so,yeah, that's not to be expected
[00:15] <phillw> they're out of luck with me... i was gutted... after over 12 years loyal service my Nokia 3330 finally expired.
[00:15] <kanliot> here in the USA they will spend thousands on new hardware, but refuse to give teachers or librarians a $.05 raise
[00:15] <wxl> try other ports?
[00:15] <wxl> oops sorry wrong channel AGQAIN
[00:15] <wxl> i hope they push ics up to my lg lucid
[00:19] <phillw> kanliot: I decided to be adventurous and bought a http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/nokia-6021.htm
[00:19] <phillw> not quite as bomb proof as the 3330, but a darn nice fone for what I need it for :)
[00:20] <kanliot> i remember how upset you got when i said i burnt up my rasperry pi
[00:20] <wxl> how the hell did you do that?!
[00:20] <wxl> good god, man, what's wrong with you?!
[00:20] <wxl> :)
[00:21] <kanliot> you were convinced that i denied some kid out there an education by destroying my pi
[00:24] <phillw> kanliot: how did you manage to that?
[00:24] <wxl> indeed
[00:26] <kanliot> well the hard drive was the loudest thing in the room, so i put it in a styrofoam box.  and it overheated to at least 60 C, at which point the pi died, but it turned out that the drive was fine, just a worthless power supply
[00:26] <wxl> O_O
[00:26] <kanliot> the drive is still too loud, or it would be turned on now
[00:27] <phillw> hmm, maybe a quieter hard drive is on your Christmas list?
[00:27] <wxl> those little rubber condom things do wonders
[00:27] <kanliot> or i can just run debian in a vm, and pretend i'm hacking on the pi
[00:28] <wxl> hah
[00:28] <phillw> not quite the same as actually hacking the pi though!
[00:29] <phillw> I'm still bemused as to why Canonical decided not to support it. but, that's life!
[00:29] <kanliot> i find the pi annoying because if it's slow scrolling speed
[00:29] <kanliot> it's really quite slow
[00:29] <phillw> kanliot: then you never actually used a ZX80?
[00:29] <kanliot> slower than my C64
[00:30] <kanliot> and slower than an apple II
[00:30] <phillw> shipped with insufficent RAM to display a whole page in terminal!
[00:30] <kanliot> ?
[00:30] <phillw> benonsoftware: I thought you meant that.. kanliot killed his :/
[00:31] <phillw> kanliot: benonsoftware's PI has just arrived.
[00:32] <kanliot> remember lulinuxos?   he posted on lubuntu-users asking to join
[00:32] <phillw> My 1st was an Atari 800XL
[00:32] <kanliot> i got him to build his wiki page, a tremendous sucess IMHO
[00:32] <kanliot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LuLinuxOS
[00:32] <wxl> zx80
[00:32] <wxl> sweet
[00:32] <kanliot> LuvLinuxOS, you there?
[00:32] <phillw> kanliot: yeah, I did see the scroll back. always good to have a newcomer
[00:33] <phillw> UnderControl: hiyas... kanliot managed to kill his R-PI
[00:33] <wxl> http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?platform[]=ZX%20Spectrum enjoy!
[00:34] <wxl> also good ones here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zx+spectrum+demo&oq=zx+spectrum+demo&gs_l=youtube.3..0l3.5348.6874.0.7042.9.9.0.0.0.0.81.450.9.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.t9J1m__Vf78
[00:34] <wxl> yikes
[00:34] <wxl> http://is.gd/GENtgD
[00:35] <UnderControl> Kanliot how did you manage that? O.O
[00:36] <kanliot> well the hard drive was the loudest thing in the room, so i put it in a styrofoam box.  and it overheated to at least 60 C, at which point the pi died, but it turned out that the drive was fine, just a worthless power supply
[00:37] <kanliot> the pi actually survived, even though i almost tossed it out, i figured it couldn't be the PSU, since it was only a day old, bought new online
[00:38] <UnderControl> Kanliot it uses a micro USB for charging, right?
[00:38] <kanliot> yeah
[00:38] <kanliot> i bought the cheapest one
[00:41] <phillw> kanliot: for your hard-dive, get hold of one of these .. http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/120738767650?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla It does SATA, IDE, PATA, 3.5" disk drives, DVD-RW devices etc. I love mine and others who've bought them also speak highly of them. Matters not if it is a 5.25" clunking olde worlde IDE hard disk, or the new 2.5" laptop SATA drives.... Just connect it up!
[00:41] <UnderControl> Kanliot cool, I'm getting that today
[00:42] <phillw> UnderControl: don't buy the cheapest one :P
[00:42] <wxl> i got one of the newertech ones
[00:42] <UnderControl> Phillw yeah :P
[00:43] <wxl> http://www.newertech.com/products/usb3_universaldriveadap.php
[00:43] <wxl> clearly more expensive
[00:43] <wxl> maybe i got ripped off who knows
[00:43] <UnderControl> Kanliot I got my RPi one hour ago
[00:44] <phillw> wxl: it is the newwer version, I guess as it is USB 3
[00:45] <wxl> yeah that's kind of nice tho i have no machine that can make use of it (yet)
[00:46] <phillw> which Is why I bought the usb 2 one :P
[00:47] <phillw> most likely why the price now is a lot lower than what I paid 18 months ago!
[00:47] <phillw> But, I have two of them & am very happy :)
[00:48]  * UnderControl wonders what the first project for his RPi should be.
[00:48] <phillw> yikes!... nearly 2am... I was heading to bed at mid night!... catch all you good folks later :)
[00:48] <UnderControl> See ya Phillw
[00:54] <UnderControl> I'm heading out to buy some things for my RPi, see everyone later.
[02:24] <noskcaj> is it possible to do the ppc testing in a virtual machine?
[04:41] <jmarsden> noskcaj: Yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64 (I have not tried this!)
[06:04] <LuvLinuxOS> Hi All
[06:11] <kanliot> wb
[06:27] <LuvLinuxOS> sup kanliot
[06:27] <kanliot> doing major changes to the wiki
[06:27] <kanliot> could use help checking links
[06:27] <kanliot> or just looking for major bugs
[06:27] <LuvLinuxOS> what type of help
[06:28] <kanliot> just click on things, see if it takes you to the wrong place
[06:28] <kanliot> hold on 10 mins
[06:30] <LuvLinuxOS> no problem
[06:31] <kanliot> you don't have a 12.10 box do you?
[06:31] <kanliot> or a 12.10 vm?
[06:31] <LuvLinuxOS> no but I can get one going
[06:32] <kanliot> 1 thing at a time i guess
[06:32] <kanliot> :)
[06:32] <kanliot> im bad that way
[06:32] <LuvLinuxOS> yes
[06:32] <LuvLinuxOS> that is cool though
[07:40] <elfy> morning - trying to put results against Xubuntu Beta2 on the tracker - the Desktop and Post - installation tests are both marked as archive - nowhere for people to put their results
[09:17] <knome> balloons, hey!
[10:59] <smartboyhw> gema: Can I PM you?
[11:00] <gema> PM?
[11:00] <gema> smartboyhw: it depends on what PM means :P
[11:01] <astraljava> Prime Ministress.
[11:01] <gema> astraljava: x)
[11:01] <smartboyhw> gema: er "/query'
[11:01] <smartboyhw> astraljava, XD
[11:01] <gema> smartboyhw: sure
[11:01] <gema> astraljava: I like to be prime ministressed x)
[11:02] <astraljava> I know you do. :)
[11:02] <smartboyhw> lol
[11:16] <gema> elfy: are you going to UDS?
[11:16] <elfy> gema: nope - wish I was or could have
[11:16] <gema> elfy: ok, because I was going to sign you up for some utah training
[11:17] <gema> elfy: I am going to organise some runs after UDS if you are interested
[11:17] <elfy> and hi gema - just been shown the utah stuff - was confused till I realised it wasn't a LoCo somewhere :)
[11:17] <elfy> gema: yep I will be interested indeed
[11:17] <gema> elfy: hi, nice to meet you :D
[11:17] <elfy> :)
[11:17] <gema> elfy: so they idea is : we are moving our current automated tests to utah and are planning to be running them like that after uds
[11:17] <gema> that means that there will be public runlists that you can use to run the same tests we are running for ubuntu
[11:18] <gema> anywhere if utah can run
[11:18] <gema> you don't even need jenkins for the scheduling, you could use cron
[11:18] <elfy> ok
[11:18] <gema> elfy: it's still work in progress, but we are aiming at getting there by UDS
[11:19] <gema> elfy: we can provision bare metal and VMs already, now we are working on ARM provisioning
[11:19] <elfy> right - will there be a session at uds that I can pad into ?
[11:19] <gema> elfy: we are going to be running several training sessions if I can get them scheduled
[11:19] <elfy> gema: nice - so theoretically I could set it up to do xubuntu and arm testing ? is that the case
[11:19] <gema> elfy: I could ask for one of them to be recorded if that helps
[11:20] <gema> elfy: we are not there yet, but working towards it, yet
[11:20] <elfy> gema: that would be good
[11:20] <gema> yes
[11:20] <gema> elfy: the test cases we have are very simple for now, but they are the smoke testing we are using for ubuntu
[11:20] <gema> which the very list installs a preseeded system and boots and runs some stuff
[11:21] <gema> elfy: then you could add more scripts if you wanted to test more
[11:21] <gema> that's up to you
[11:21] <gema> elfy: and we could use them too :o)
[11:21] <elfy> :)
[11:21] <smartboyhw> :O
[11:22] <gema> I will keep elfy and smartboyhw in my list of people interested on running utah soon
[11:22] <smartboyhw> :D
[11:22] <elfy> k - cheers - I'm elfy just about everywhere, LP etc
[11:22] <gema> elfy: ack
[11:23] <gema> elfy: for those of you who cannot attend UDS we'll run some hangout sessions to get you guys up to speed
[11:23] <gema> the more different setups we run the tests on, the more bugs we'll flesh out, it's a win/win
[11:24] <smartboyhw> ;)
[11:25] <gema> smartboyhw: thanks for your PM :P
[11:25] <smartboyhw> ;P
[11:25] <gema> astraljava: see? I am learning the jargon now!
[11:25] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:26] <astraljava> Heheh. I'm not sure whether that's good or not. I liked my version better.
[11:27] <smartboyhw> astraljava, oh is it?:P
[11:27] <astraljava> smartboyhw: You'd be amazed how far flattery will get you. :D
[11:27] <elfy> that would be good gema - anything that has information will be good :)
[11:28]  * gema gives astraljava some utah vouchers
[11:28] <smartboyhw> astraljava, I need to look the word flattery in th dictitoinary LOL
[11:28] <astraljava> Whee! See?
[11:38]  * smartboyhw thinks that it is time for astraljava to update his wiki:P
[11:44] <astraljava> Err... I don't seem to have any.
[11:44] <smartboyhw> astraljava, I found your wiki :P
[11:44]  * smartboyhw found it when doing a members page for testcase admins
[11:45] <knome> astraljava, wikipage :P
[11:47] <astraljava> Yeah, well I didn't find it. :)
[11:47] <knome> astraljava, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/astraljava
[11:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:48] <astraljava> Ahh... I somehow figured it was under my actual name.
[11:48] <smartboyhw> :)
[11:58] <astraljava> Done.
[11:59] <smartboyhw> astraljava, :)
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Emergency call: Anyone want to help test the Ubuntu Studio i386 and amd64 builds?
[16:12] <patdk-wk> hmm, I'm going miss another testing cycle
[16:12] <patdk-wk> getting ready to leave on a week vacation soon today
[16:35] <balloons> patdk-wk, ahh.. we'll be here when you get
[16:35] <patdk-wk> :)
[16:35] <balloons> back.. there will still be the final iso. no worries! :-p
[17:01] <wxl> after all that complaining and whining about oversized isos and misbehaving openfirmware preventing usb boots, i finally get some dvd+rws and the ppc daily won't even get to x or a terminal. sheesh. :)
[17:03] <balloons> wxl, I believe phillw has an answer for that
[17:04] <balloons> the ppc currently is waiting a kernel or x fix.. I believe the fix is coming via kernel
[17:04] <wxl> balloons: i saw his email about some upcoming changes
[17:04] <balloons> regardless, there is a workaround
[17:04] <balloons> you need to pass boot parms
[17:04] <balloons> it should boot fine then
[17:04] <wxl> oh? i must have missed that
[17:05] <wxl> you aren't at all aware of where i would find that information are you?
[17:05] <wxl> just point me in the right direction and i'll search for it
[17:06] <balloons> the lubuntu mailing list hAS IT
[17:06] <balloons> in the discussion threads
[17:06] <balloons> if you can't find it, I'll look
[17:07] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#What_yaboot_parameters_should_I_use_for_graphics_problems.3F
[17:07] <balloons> wxl, ^^
[17:08] <wxl> ah old info
[17:08] <balloons> video=ofonly
[17:09] <wxl> yeah i see the cross reference on qa
[17:09] <wxl> however the symptoms people there are describing seem somewhat different than what i've got but i'll give it a shot
[17:09] <balloons> k, gl
[17:09] <wxl> danke
[18:34] <phillw> hi wxl is the iso still oversized?
[18:34] <wxl> oh i dunno phillw i just put it on a dvd+rw
[18:34] <wxl> it's well below that XD
[18:35] <phillw> _infinity was going to put them on a diet, but it did get a bit crazy the last few days of B2.
[18:35]  * wxl shrugs
[18:35] <wxl> i have to see if the video=ofonly thing will fix my woes
[18:35] <wxl> i have a suspicion it won't
[18:36] <wxl> the behavior i saw was unlike any other "video problems" i've had before
[18:36] <phillw> I've just spotted that Julien is back. No doubt he has to spend 3 days catching up with his emails.
[18:37] <wxl> so where are we at on this b43 thing?
[18:37]  * wxl will point out that in booting last night, dmesg popped up b43 missing errors as i've been accustomed to in the past, which makes me really wonder
[18:37] <phillw> I'm awaiting to have a chat with Julien. It is most likely an oversight on the seed list.
[18:37] <wxl> i did give a go at the 20120926 daily btw, not the beta2
[18:38] <phillw> but it needs him to confirm.
[18:40] <phillw> wxl: the guy looking at bug 1043518 I'm hoping may look at the other issue for us. It does seem that trying to fix via 'X' may be a nightmare compared to a tweak to the kernel.
[18:41] <phillw> it has been reported across other distros, but under different bug reports. I did have a go at herding them up for the kernel team.
[18:42] <phillw> the ubiquity bug, is in fact a duplicate of 1043518 now as the ubiquity one has been corrected.
[18:45] <phillw> balloons: do you know who is QA liasion for Edubuntu?
[18:46] <balloons> phillw, you can direct edubuntu stuff to stgraber..
[18:46] <phillw> thanks.
[18:50] <phillw> stgraber: I'm not 100% on this, but I have a sneaking suspicion that bug 1011828 is in fact a manifestation of bug 1043518 - It has similar properties ... nvidea and a failure to display a screen on boot with the 12.10 kernel.
[18:51] <phillw> stgraber: I can mark it as a dupe, with a note to the OP asking that he wait for the kernel fix to come out and retest if  you'd like.
[18:52] <stgraber> I don't see anything specific about Edubuntu in there, so I don't really care :)
[18:55] <phillw> stgraber: look at "Upgrade Edubuntu amd64" http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds :D
[18:56] <stgraber> I know it's been reported while doing Edubuntu testing but the bug itself doesn't have anything specific to Edubuntu so I don't care
[18:56] <stgraber> it'd have happened just as well on clean Ubuntu
[18:56] <phillw> it has :)
[18:57] <phillw> again reported completely differently (they blamed 'X'), I had that one looked at by the kernel guy and he was certain enough to say it was a dupe. I don't want to keep nagging him :P
[18:58] <phillw> I'd rather he spend the time fixing the bug than answering my questions :D
[20:17] <leadsled> balloons, how much time left is there on Ubuntu 12.10 beta2 testing?
[20:20] <balloons> leadsled, it's out
[20:21] <balloons> well.. most everything is ready
[20:21] <balloons> let me link you to release notes
[20:21] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[20:24] <leadsled> ok, balloons thanks
[20:26] <phillw> balloons: you should have stayed on L-OT, just to have a giggle at the logs... two bash scripters are having a great time discussing the horrendous hacks they have written and honing down a script that will work for 13.04 :)
[20:35] <balloons> lol