[01:03] <Shazer[2]> How do I install Chrome?
[01:03] <Shazer[2]> I downloaded the .deb?
[01:03] <Shazer[2]> But I'm not sure how to install...
[01:08] <dogmatic69> just open a terminal, 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome'
[01:12] <dogmatic69> might need to add the ppa first ppa:chromium-daily/stable
[01:12] <dogmatic69> or just use software centre
[01:16] <ali1234> what? no
[01:16] <ali1234> you install chrome by going to the chrome website and downloading the deb file for it
[01:16] <ali1234> it sets you up with the correct repositories and everything
[01:16] <ali1234> chromium isn't the same thing as chrome
[01:17] <ali1234> and google-chrome isn't in the default repositories
[01:17] <ali1234> oh, once you downloaded the .deb you just double click it
[01:17] <ali1234> easy.
[06:06] <christel> good morning
[06:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:04] <AlanBell> morning
[07:33] <popey> morning
[07:33] <popey> AlanBell, do you still have one of my usb3 hard disks?
[07:33] <popey> or did I ever get that back?
[07:33] <AlanBell> popey: still have it
[07:34] <popey> yay
[07:34] <popey> need to grab that at some point
[07:34] <AlanBell> well no disk, just enclosure and a USB stick
[07:34] <popey> oh, i thought it had a disk in, my mistake
[07:34] <AlanBell> at home today?
[07:34] <popey> yeah
[07:34] <AlanBell> ok, I am out and about, if time allows I might pop by with it
[07:35] <popey> ooh that would be lovely, come in for tea!
[07:35]  * popey puts some clothes on
[07:35] <popey> :D
[07:36] <diplo> Morning
[07:37] <popey> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/09/gogcom-to-add-linux-support.html
[07:37] <popey> more for that list directhex ^ :)
[07:42] <popey> http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/beta-late-than-never-3/ :)
[07:46] <AlanBell> its all games games games
[07:49] <diplo> It's all good AlanBell :)
[07:58] <knightwise> mooornin
[07:59] <knightwise> hey maxp
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:22] <bittin^work> morning
[08:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:03] <andylockran> hey all
[09:04] <bittin^work> hi
[09:04] <andylockran> anyone know why file_get_contents($url) on php would have suddenly started failing (debian lenny :s) - need a way to test it
[09:09] <andylockran> grumpy ;(
[09:10] <andylockran> I've got a fairly broken php problem
[09:10] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/806734/
[09:10] <andylockran> that works on most of my servers
[09:10] <ali1234> why add \n?
[09:10] <andylockran> ali1234: formatting..
[09:11] <andylockran> ali1234: just so it looks prettier
[09:11] <andylockran> but it's broken on a debian lenny server that is running the site where the code is used
[09:11] <ali1234> oh right echo
[09:11] <ali1234>  just woke up. i dunno
[09:11] <andylockran> it has been working up until recently, but very unsure as to why it would have stopped working
[09:12] <andylockran> according to a strace, it does the DNS lookup fine (which was my first concern) and all looks hunkey dorey
[09:12] <ali1234> do you have all the right settings?
[09:12] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/806735/
[09:12] <andylockran> yeah, allow_url_fopen
[09:13] <andylockran> is set to On in php.ini - and in the phpinfo() for both php.ini for apache and for cli
[09:13] <andylockran> mgdm: you about?
[09:17] <kirrus> andylockran: have you tried wgetting said file, as the webserver user, and making sure that works?
[09:17] <kirrus> sometimes http is firewalled
[09:17] <kirrus> andylockran: also, check the apache error log / php error messages?
[09:18] <andylockran> wget is working
[09:19] <andylockran> and I can't see any errors in the logs
[09:19] <andylockran> I've got E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE on
[09:52] <bittin^work> haha somone is queueing outside the Apple Store here and waiting for iPhone 5 =D
[09:53] <pinky-> bittin^work, where's "here?"
[09:54] <bittin^work> Täby, Stockholm
[09:54] <bittin^work> the only apple store in Sweden
[09:54] <bittin^work> etc
[09:54] <pinky-> ok ty
[09:54] <bittin^work> np
[09:55] <mattt> what's so funny about queueing for an iphone?  :)
[09:56] <popey> life is too short to queue for a phone
[09:56] <bittin^work> mattt, that person has fricking 520km to queue for a phone :p
[09:56] <bittin^work> has gone 520km i mean
[10:00] <mattt> popey: fully agree, doesn't stop thousands from doing it tho
[10:00] <popey> sure, people are idiots
[10:01] <mattt> i don't even like queueing for food
[10:01] <bittin^work> if you go 520km to the only Apple store in the country to queue you dont have much to do :D
[10:01] <mattt> bittin^work: yeah, i work with a guy who supposedly camped out for a phone
[10:01] <mattt> i gave up on understanding people years ago
[10:02] <pinky-> it's all about the Bling
[10:04] <pinky-> I'm an old hippy and refuse to buy anything related
[10:06] <pinky-> I've still got a Sont Ericsson from 10 years a go:)
[10:06] <pinky-> Sony*
[10:06] <bittin^work> i got an ZTE Skate, cheap android phone is not that hip
[10:06] <pinky-> does me just fine
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <bittin^work> and iam out of podcasts to listen to :(
[10:07] <bittin^work> heard Ubuntu Uk Podcast S05E16 and Droidnation #40 this morning
[10:07] <pinky-> I'm normally housebound so I don't need maps
[10:07] <mattt> bittin^work: i've not listened, but the food fight ones seem good
[10:08] <mattt> bittin^work: http://foodfightshow.org/index.html
[10:08] <popey> bittin^work, pcpro? tuxradar?
[10:08] <popey> I like those two
[10:09] <pinky-> when's the next ubuntu audio.cast due?
[10:11] <bittin^work> popey, never heard any of those
[10:12] <bittin^work> but my spotify got some music and its lunch now anyways, so think i will be fine
[10:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: care to start making bets on my trip to ireland next week to see if the airports strike!
[10:16] <xnox> czajkowski: it will not strike, instead the runway will be flooded.
[10:16] <xnox> =)
[10:16] <czajkowski> xnox: nah we can deal with floods no bother, it's ireand we're used to the rain
[10:16] <czajkowski> the striking and snow tends to muck up my travel
[10:17] <xnox> fair enough =)
[10:17] <xnox> I like how in norway they clean the whole runway from 2 feet of snow in less than 9 minutes for a plane to take off.
[10:17] <mattt> xnox: here it takes 2 weeks
[10:17] <mattt> except we're only talking 2 inches
[10:18] <czajkowski> xnox: read this first - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/21/crazy-few-days/
[10:18] <xnox> mattt: do they melt it with cups of tea?
[10:18] <czajkowski> xnox: then http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/22/taim-sa-bhaile/
[10:20] <czajkowski> xnox: you going to the open stack meet up later on today ?
[10:23] <pinky-> yup my cellphone is 10 years old and I don't have a facebook account, maybe I'm on my own in my own World.. but I like it
[10:25] <pinky-> only thing I do regular is upgrade my pc's
[10:26] <mungojerry> and poo, and use irc?
[10:26] <popey> hah
[10:26] <pinky-> plus lots of coffee
[10:29] <pinky-> I've been using irc for over 20-odd years and my spelling is no better, there's no hope for some of us
[10:31] <xnox> czajkowski: well. I will pop into the office for installer meeting. But I don't think I will be staying for openstack as I have London Volleyball Association Referee meeting to attend at 7pm up north in zone 2.
[10:37] <Laney> zone 2, that's practically the countryside right?!
[10:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod morning
[10:45] <gord> i hear you have to bring your passport for zone 2
[10:46] <davmor2> gord: are you back?
[10:48] <gord> nope
[10:48]  * popey tickles gord
[10:48] <popey> drat, I had a question for gord and I can't remember it now
[10:48] <gord> but i walked up a mountain again today so i'm not moving from my hotel room bed for a few hours
[10:49] <davmor2> gord: isn't it like insane o'clock in the night there?
[10:49] <gord> nope, nearly 8
[10:50] <davmor2> gord: oh well that's not so bad
[10:51] <gord> had a pizza with potato on it last night, it was the best pizza ever, gonna make it myself when i get home
[11:04] <mgdm> andylockran: pong?
[11:17] <diplo> Afternoon guys, I remember someone in here saying they have set up an internal messenger service probably on xmpp ?
[11:18] <mgdm> In the past I have used Openfire and ejabberd to do that
[11:18] <mgdm> both work OPenfire is quite big and heavy and Java-y though
[11:18] <mgdm> ejabberd's config is a little quirky, too
[11:18] <diplo> Just looking at Openfire actually, so at least that's a good start
[11:18] <mgdm> so it's swings and roundabouts :)
[11:18] <MattJ> XMPP \o/
[11:18] <mgdm> hehe
[11:19] <mgdm> not seen that in a while, MattJ :)
[11:19] <bittin^work> XMPP o/
[11:19] <diplo> On a secondary point my boss has just raised, integrating on into our php erp application
[11:19] <diplo> Use same backgrounds I guess
[11:20] <mgdm> Openfire is good at tying into other stuff, though you might need a plugin for both apps to do it
[11:20] <diplo> https://blueimp.net/ajax/
[11:20] <diplo> OK, that's doable.. will delve deeper thanks
[11:20] <MattJ> Only thing I would be wary of with Openfire is their security flaw history
[11:20] <mgdm> the advantage of XMPP stuff is you can use loads of clients to access it
[11:21] <diplo> All internal stuff anyhoo, but will also look into that
[11:21] <MattJ> Keep it firewalled as much as you can if you go with it, especially the admin web interface it has
[11:21] <bittin^work> i only used ejabberd but was a while ago i was playing with that stuff
[11:22] <mgdm> that's good advice for any network service
[11:23] <MattJ> mgdm, plenty of network services are run public-facing on the internet, I would never personally allow Openfire that privilege
[11:23] <MattJ> A while back they had a bug that allowed any user to change any other user's password (including the admin's)
[11:23] <mgdm> well, obviously
[11:24] <bittin^work> mgdm, yea i like that with xmpp and aim
[11:24] <bittin^work> that you can be logged in at alot of computers
[11:24] <mgdm> but my point was that if you're running *any* service, regardless of what it is or its security history, that doesn't need to be public then don't make it
[11:24] <MattJ> Sure
[11:24] <bittin^work> but all my friends only uses facebook chat or skype nowdays or irc :p
[11:24] <bittin^work> im kinda died :o
[11:26] <MattJ> How anyone uses Skype I don't know
[11:34] <pinky-> I used to have a 4 digit icq number before until it was hacked by someone from Turkey
[11:35] <mungojerry> pinky-, i'll give you a 1-digit number on another service nobody else uses either :P
[11:36] <mungojerry> you have have number 2 on blobby messaging service
[11:36] <pinky-> haha
[11:39] <bittin^work> hahahahhaa: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388780_411092718945985_1467634616_n.jpg
[11:40] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:13] <pinky-> imo Skype is used a lot because of webcam conference and group chat, I suppose the same reason why Video Conference sites like BlogTV are popular nowadays, seems people like function
[12:14] <brobostigon> and google+'s hangouts.
[12:14] <popey> 11317622
[12:15] <popey> <3 ICQ
[12:17] <bittin^work> popey, added u on icq :D
[12:17] <livingdaylight> I heard there were power regression issues with kernel 3.5 vs 3.4?
[12:17] <pinky-> in the old days it was possible to collect all "warez" and not miss anything, so I tended to try ALL new software.. there is so much nowadays that's not possible.. plus I've had a couple of bad experiences and prefer my privicy now so I've stopped joining every new service.. I don't even have a google+ account
[12:18] <livingdaylight> Would you say unity is optimized for the laptop? What DE or distro would you recommend for laptop?
[12:33] <pinky-> I hit my head in the 90's and been in that era ever since:)
[12:34] <pinky-> there's no help for me
[12:35]  * mattt hands pinky- a 2400 bps modem
[12:35] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:35]  * pinky- dials Demon
[12:35] <pinky-> good afternoon bigcalm
[12:35] <bigcalm> Are we having a nostalgia kick?
[12:36] <pinky-> yeah lol
[12:36] <bittin^work> telnet antidote.hopto.org with http://www.paradroid.net/cgterm/ for the modern C= 64 BBS experience
[12:36] <pinky-> always!
[12:36]  * bigcalm pauses with some dust force
[12:40] <livingdaylight> haro?
[12:40] <livingdaylight> is this ubuntu-uk channel?
[12:40] <mattt> no
[12:40] <mattt> #ubuntu-eu
[12:40] <bittin^work> it might be
[12:41] <livingdaylight> #ubuntu-nwo ?
[12:48] <bigcalm> That was fun
[12:48] <bigcalm> Now back to making more crud
[12:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah come on your code isn't that bad :P
[12:55]  * popey wonders why Laney felt the need to send me a Boyzone track via Spotify
[12:56] <bittin^work> Boyzone i forgot about them lol =<
[12:56] <xnox> there is a box of 11.10 CDs.... using one as a coaster =)
[12:58] <davmor2> popey: he thought you needed camping up and romancing before he asked you to sing YMCA I can only assume he doesn't know it just takes alcohol and a karaoke machine
[13:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: minisipserver just got published
[13:27]  * popey wonders when/if AlanBell is coming over for tea
[13:45] <diplo> Wasn't that happening a few hours ago :p
[14:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: know what the status is of Vessel being published in the USC?
[14:09] <popey> can't see that word without thinking of Star Trek.. "Wessel"
[14:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, the devs are dragging their heals http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/744388-vessel-for-mac-and-linux-alpha
[14:09] <bigcalm> popey: heh
[14:10] <bigcalm> Might give in and play it via steam on gameos
[14:10] <bigcalm> (at some point)
[14:20] <bigcalm> popey: where are your unclear wessels?
[14:29] <mungojerry> diplo, i might have to stop using cinnamon :(
[14:34] <diplo> I already have
[14:35] <diplo> Was having way to many issues, my only issue with unity is the dash speed and just wish it acted more like do
[14:35] <mgdm> popey: we got a telly in here yesterday with voice control, which resulted in a bit of a 'hello computer?' scene for a while
[14:36] <popey> :)
[14:44] <bigcalm> Back to the CRUD
[14:47] <mungojerry> diplo, main issue is lockups during i/o and runing out of memory, causing bad performance. works great on my laptop thought, but my desktop PC is usually up for weeks at a time and running 50 chrome tabs etc
[14:47] <mungojerry> gnome2 never complained
[14:47] <mungojerry> unity, gnome3 weren't great either, but haven't used unity since january/feb
[14:48] <diplo> I think i/o was my issue, also with lock ups]
[14:53] <mungojerry> :(
[14:53] <mungojerry> didn't report bug since i didn't know how to troubleshoot it
[15:08] <bigcalm> mgdm: what's your preferred method of deployment for PHP projects?
[15:09] <mgdm> bigcalm: we have our own mechanism that we're just about to move to Capistrano
[15:10] <bigcalm> mgdm: ta. Boss is mumbling something about a new deployment method and Capistrano was also mentioned
[15:11] <bigcalm> Not a fan of working with Ruby/Rails, but oh well
[15:11] <mgdm> Capistrano is not Rails :)
[15:12] <mgdm> and ruby's not that bad
[15:15] <popey> damned with faint praise
[15:15] <bigcalm> :D
[15:15] <bigcalm> popey: we get that with PHP _all the time_
[15:18] <mgdm> bear in mind I'm from Scotland, where 'not bad' is approximately equal to 'pretty good'
[15:22] <christel> RAWR
[15:22] <christel> what an amazing day
[15:25]  * bigcalm tickles christel
[15:26] <christel> hihi
[15:28] <christel> been filming at black hangar all day
[15:28] <christel> amazing
[15:31] <mattt> who's going to openstack meetup tonight?
[15:31] <mattt> think i see a few of you reg'd
[15:31] <popey> mgdm, haha, when I used to teach courses for SAP, we had a score card which had loads of questions about the course, you could score it   ---  --  -  0  +  ++  +++, which amounts to 1 through 7.. scotts people _always_ put 0 down the middle
[15:32] <popey> which amounts to 4 out of 7, which is _awful_, target was 6.3/7
[15:37] <mgdm> hehehe
[15:47] <bigcalm> Can one eat too much Rennie?
[15:49] <mgdm> if you start foaming at the mouth, that's too much
[15:49] <bigcalm> Or a sign of rabies
[15:49] <christel> probably
[15:51] <daubers> bigcalm: If you eat 2 metric tonnes of it, I suspect that might be too much
[15:51] <bigcalm> Imperial tons are okay though I guess
[15:55] <daubers> bigcalm: Like the dollar, they're not worth much these days...
[15:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: still waiting for the app
[15:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: looks like humble indie bundle are as well
[15:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah there were some bug that we and the bundle guys discovered on different platforms so we are all waiting for it
[15:59] <bigcalm> I see
[16:08] <mattt> i've used fabric for some deployment-related tasks
[16:09] <mattt> may be worth looking at in conjunction w/ capistrano
[16:09] <bigcalm> Rochard does look like fun. Might install it later
[16:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: torchlight is nice shame about the fullscreen not working correctly but other than that it's great
[16:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm not good at controlling lots of things at once
[16:17] <daftykins> ah back in the UK after 2 months of travels away
[16:17] <popey> wb
[16:17] <daftykins> ta ^_^
[16:18] <bigcalm> daftykins: what drew you back to this dump?
[16:19] <daftykins> just the rock i have to hop on before getting back to Guernsey really ;)
[16:19] <daftykins> went to a wedding of a friends over in Australia, then road-tripped the US from west coast to east coast
[16:19] <daftykins> flying back from New York via Iceland on Tuesday
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> cool
[16:19] <bigcalm> Goodness
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> had/having a good time? :)
[16:20] <daftykins> yeah not bad thanks :) hot weather nearly killed me though XD
[16:20] <daftykins> a while back now, we drove through Death Valley national park - 47 deg C in the shade
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> Set aircon to "north pole"
[16:21] <daftykins> if only - unfortunately i got to use it rarely as my two friends enjoyed the warmth quite unreasonably
[16:21] <daftykins> but ah well, all done now :)
[16:53] <bigcalm> How the flipityflop did it get to be nearly 6pm?
[16:55] <Laney> time passed at one second per second
[16:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: did you blink
[16:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is possible. Sometimes my blinks can take hours to complete
[16:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: and is there a 6foot stone angel somewhere nearby
[16:56] <bigcalm> davmor2: that would send me back in time
[16:56] <bigcalm> Or just kill me
[16:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah no it just transfers you in time that particular one sent them back :P
[17:01] <davmor2> I keep hearing and seeing adverts for "killing them softly" (film) and thinking with his song (Fugee stylee)
[17:11] <daftykins> tellin' mah whole life, with his words...
[17:11] <davmor2> daftykins: 1 time.......
[17:11] <daftykins> ;]
[17:12] <daftykins> can't believe Red Dwarf is coming back
[18:52] <AlanBell> http://www.flossuk.org/Events/Unconference2012?action=show&redirect=unconf2012 people might want to ponder this (day after Ubuntu release)
[18:54] <AlanBell> err, no. 18th is the release
[19:17] <christel> 11
[19:23] <Azelphur> Elonex webbook with Ubuntu 12.04, display corruption, any ideas?
[19:23] <AlanBell> oh my
[19:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: define corruption
[19:23]  * AlanBell knows about corruption on the webbook
[19:25] <Azelphur> penguin42: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrm9kjtpcpzymxb/2012-09-27%2020.24.03.jpg?m
[19:25] <Azelphur> AlanBell: know how to fix it?
[19:26] <AlanBell> install hardy :)
[19:26] <AlanBell> just looking for the project with the open drivers for it
[19:27] <AlanBell> Azelphur: what is it running at the moment?
[19:27] <Azelphur> AlanBell: broken ubuntu install apparently
[19:27] <Azelphur> so trying to fresh install
[19:27] <penguin42> oh, not a subtle problem then
[19:28] <AlanBell> it has a via C7 graphics card which is rubbish, and has rubbish open drivers
[19:28] <AlanBell> VIA did briefly let some binary drivers out that let the 3d stuff work which was good for a few weeks until a new kernel broke them and they never reappeared
[19:29] <AlanBell> http://www.openchrome.org/
[19:29] <Azelphur> this sounds easy \o/
[19:30] <AlanBell> if you plug in an external monitor from bootup you might be able to get some stuff working, enough to get the openchrome drivers installed
[19:30] <AlanBell> I think we used a fixed xorg.conf to give hints about the display size as the edid lies
[19:31] <AlanBell> it might be that with just an xorg.conf specifying the resolution as 1024x600 then the corruption will go away
[19:33] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1148184
[19:33] <AlanBell> sample xorg.conf there, the important bit is Option "PanelSize" "1024x600"
[19:34] <Azelphur> cool, trying it
[19:50] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I think I need a default xorg.conf to get this to work
[19:50] <Azelphur> not sure how to make a default one though
[19:51] <AlanBell> how do you mean?
[19:51] <AlanBell> by default there isn't one
[19:51] <AlanBell> you just create a text file in /etc/xorg.conf with the right stuff in it
[19:51] <Azelphur> yea
[19:51] <Azelphur> but I don't know what the right stuff is
[19:51] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1148184 comment 4
[19:51] <Azelphur> on that thread he says he added that stuff to his xorg.conf, insinuating that there is more
[19:51] <AlanBell> paste that in
[19:52] <Azelphur> is that the whole file?
[19:52] <AlanBell> no, that is sufficient
[19:52] <AlanBell> err, looks like it needs Section before "Device"
[19:52] <Azelphur> and identifier is spelt wrong
[19:52]  * hamitron still hates the lack of xorgconfig
[19:52] <Azelphur> I'm pretty sure I fixed those things :p
[19:54] <hamitron> http://www.x.org/wiki/ConfigurationHelp
[19:55] <Azelphur> oO, skeleton configuration files
[19:55] <hamitron> do what AB said first ofc
[19:55] <hamitron> ;)
[19:55] <hamitron> he is more clever than I
[19:56] <Azelphur> I did, it's not working :(
[19:56] <hamitron> :/
[19:56] <AlanBell> trying to find the original stuff I wrote about it
[19:56] <Azelphur> I'm trying this on a livecd though, I created the xorg.conf and restarted lightdm
[19:56] <Azelphur> cool :D
[19:56] <AlanBell> got rid of that domain some time ago, but the data should exist somewhere
[19:59] <hamitron> took me over a year to get X working on my first install of linux
[20:03] <AlanBell> http://rblondon.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/elonex-webbook-screen-issue.html that one looks correct
[20:03] <AlanBell> think I might have deleted all the webbookblog.com content
[20:04] <AlanBell> ForcePanel might be important too
[20:05] <Azelphur> cool, ty :D
[20:16] <Azelphur> AlanBell: woo it works! \o/
[20:16]  * Azelphur gives AlanBell 5 internets.
[20:17] <AlanBell> yay
[20:17] <AlanBell> so what is that running now? Quantal?
[20:18] <AlanBell> actually you probably want to stop at precise with that one as there won't be 3d and it won't have the horsepower for decent llvmpipe performance
[20:18] <ali1234> or just don't install unity or gnome-shell
[20:19] <ali1234> and marvel at how fast everything runs
[20:19] <Azelphur> AlanBell: 12.04
[20:19] <Azelphur> yea, I'm tempted to say this might be a candidate for lubuntu
[20:21] <Azelphur> yea, I'll drop lubuntu on it
[20:23] <AlanBell> go for it
[20:23] <AlanBell> good point ali1234
[20:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: Or try adding MATE (i.e. Gnome2)
[20:24] <Azelphur> I imagine lxde is faster than gnome2
[20:24] <ali1234> not really
[20:24]  * Azelphur shrugs
[20:24] <Azelphur> I have Lubuntu iso downloaded anyway so it's nice and easy
[20:25] <AlanBell> you are not going to achieve "fast"
[20:25] <Azelphur> hehe indeed
[20:25] <penguin42> what's it's storage?
[20:25] <AlanBell> but there are a number of things that are perfectly usable for modest requirements
[20:25] <AlanBell> 80GB hdd
[20:25] <AlanBell> do you have 1GB on it?
[20:26] <penguin42> sata or pata?
[20:26] <AlanBell> the upgrade from 512 to 1GB is worth doing
[20:26] <AlanBell> data
[20:26] <AlanBell> sata even
[20:26] <penguin42> might be a worth a low end ssd, might make it usable
[20:26] <Azelphur> hehe, it's not my netbook
[20:27] <Azelphur> so someone else has to put up with the painful slowness ;)
[20:27] <AlanBell> I wouldn't bother with buying stuff for it, but a rummage around the bits box might produce a ram stick
[20:28] <AlanBell> it can only be upgraded to 1GB
[20:28] <ali1234> also MATE is completely redundant
[20:28] <AlanBell> even if you stick a 2GB stick in you will only get 1GB recognised
[20:28] <ali1234> gnome-panel still runs on gtk3
[20:31] <Azelphur> yea, I'm just getting it up and running, I don't have any spare sticks for it :p
[20:31] <Azelphur> it'll be slow, but better than nothing
[20:31] <ali1234> i wonder who is maintaining that actually
[20:35] <jacobw> evening
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> \o jacobw
[20:35] <jacobw> hey, how's it going?
[20:36] <AlanBell> why can't we have party political broadcasts like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK7QfCEEiBs&feature=player_embedded
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> because you live in a sane country
[20:37] <AlanBell> there is that
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> And you already have panel game shows :)
[20:41] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:41] <jacobw> GE bigcalm
[20:42] <popey> pip pip
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: trying CP/M again?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Interchange_Program
[20:47] <penguin42> hehe
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> alias pip=cp
[20:48] <penguin42> wasn't it also similar to dd ?
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> well cp is quite similar to dd ;)
[20:59] <AlanBell> on my phone I have google plus messenger or something, where is that in the web UI?
[21:01] <bigcalm> AlanBell: do you have the web UI open?
[21:01] <AlanBell> yes
[21:01] <bigcalm> Message sent
[21:02] <AlanBell> my phone pings
[21:02] <AlanBell> no activity in the browser
[21:02] <bigcalm> But nothing accessible via the web? Poop
[21:02] <bigcalm> Maybe it's a phone only thing
[21:03] <AlanBell> very odd
[21:15] <daubers> AlanBell: just use empathy?
[21:16] <AlanBell> huh?
[21:16] <daubers> empathy does google chat
[21:16] <daubers> (which G+ messenger essentially is)
[21:17] <AlanBell> but how come the chat thing on the right of G+ doesn't do anything much when it happens?
[21:17] <daubers> No idea :)
[21:18] <daubers> becuase it smells?
[21:18] <AlanBell> that just shows online people too, not sure it relates to messenger
[21:24] <ali1234> because gtalk actually supports multiple instances properly
[21:24] <ali1234> if you are using g+ when someone chats to you, it will do something
[21:24] <ali1234> or if you start talking back to the person through the website etc
[21:24] <ali1234> it doesn't make every device you have go crazy when you are having a conversation
[21:24] <AlanBell> so the problem is that my phone is online too much?
[21:24] <ali1234> possibly
[21:25] <AlanBell> I can't transfer a conversation from one device to another I think
[21:25] <ali1234> it's related to your status
[21:25] <ali1234> if you are marked "away" then it won't ping that device
[21:25] <ali1234> i think that's how it works
[21:26] <ali1234> also if you ignore thephone and start using g+ then it will send the messages out after a couple of minutes
[21:26] <AlanBell> hmm
[21:26] <AlanBell> I kind of find old messages on the phone occasionally because I am not looking for them there
[21:27] <AlanBell> not really wanting to use that service at all really
[21:28] <ali1234> it's possibly also related to why you always pingpong online/offline 100 times and fill my indicator queue :)
[21:28] <AlanBell> oh, someone else told me that
[21:28] <ali1234> i've told you before :)
[21:28] <AlanBell> ok, so how do I stop doing that?
[21:28] <ali1234> no idea
[21:28] <AlanBell> and why am I special?
[21:28] <ali1234> someone else does it too
[21:28] <ali1234> but i can't remember who it was
[21:28] <AlanBell> I just have the android G+ app
[21:29] <AlanBell> I have never intended to do anything with the messenger thing at all
[21:29] <ali1234> g+ uses the same chat as gmail
[21:29] <ali1234> which is also a stand alone app on android
[21:29] <AlanBell> I don't even know how to go offline on the mobile client, can't see any kind of status setting thing
[21:31] <AlanBell> what indicator queue do I fill up?
[21:31] <ali1234> you know, notify osd?
[21:31] <AlanBell> oh, from empathy notifications?
[21:31] <ali1234> from pidgin notifications
[21:31] <ali1234> i don't use empathy
[21:31] <AlanBell> ok
[21:31] <ali1234> but yeah... every time someone goes away
[21:31] <popey> i use the web io
[21:31] <popey> er
[21:31] <popey> ui
[21:32] <ali1234> it shows a message for 5 seconds
[21:32] <AlanBell> what web UI?
[21:32] <popey> in gmail and G+
[21:32] <popey> i have both in separate tabs
[21:32] <popey> so when someone pings me it generally pings both
[21:32] <ali1234> 100 * 5 = nearly 10 minutes worth of notifications, because it's a queue and they all have same priority
[21:32] <popey> i can choose to answer in either and it keeps both in sync which is neat
[21:32] <ali1234> that also blocks all other same priority notifications, essentially a denial of service attack :)
[21:33] <AlanBell> but those look like a different list of people to what I have in the mobile client
[21:33] <ali1234> the list is a little bit weird but it is the same protocol
[21:33] <popey> yes, its an option in G+
[23:50] <penguin42> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/27/adobe_cert_revoked/  oops