=== punked- is now known as pinky- [01:03] How do I install Chrome? [01:03] I downloaded the .deb? [01:03] But I'm not sure how to install... [01:08] just open a terminal, 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome' [01:12] might need to add the ppa first ppa:chromium-daily/stable [01:12] or just use software centre [01:16] what? no [01:16] you install chrome by going to the chrome website and downloading the deb file for it [01:16] it sets you up with the correct repositories and everything [01:16] chromium isn't the same thing as chrome [01:17] and google-chrome isn't in the default repositories [01:17] oh, once you downloaded the .deb you just double click it [01:17] easy. [06:06] good morning [06:20] \o [07:04] morning [07:33] morning [07:33] AlanBell, do you still have one of my usb3 hard disks? [07:33] or did I ever get that back? [07:33] popey: still have it [07:34] yay [07:34] need to grab that at some point [07:34] well no disk, just enclosure and a USB stick [07:34] oh, i thought it had a disk in, my mistake [07:34] at home today? [07:34] yeah [07:34] ok, I am out and about, if time allows I might pop by with it [07:35] ooh that would be lovely, come in for tea! [07:35] * popey puts some clothes on [07:35] :D [07:36] Morning [07:37] http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/09/gogcom-to-add-linux-support.html [07:37] more for that list directhex ^ :) [07:42] http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/beta-late-than-never-3/ :) [07:46] its all games games games [07:49] It's all good AlanBell :) [07:58] mooornin [07:59] hey maxp [08:21] Good morning all! :) [08:22] morning === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:33] good morning everyone. [09:03] hey all [09:04] hi [09:04] anyone know why file_get_contents($url) on php would have suddenly started failing (debian lenny :s) - need a way to test it [09:09] grumpy ;( [09:10] I've got a fairly broken php problem [09:10] http://dpaste.com/806734/ [09:10] that works on most of my servers [09:10] why add \n? [09:10] ali1234: formatting.. [09:11] ali1234: just so it looks prettier [09:11] but it's broken on a debian lenny server that is running the site where the code is used [09:11] oh right echo [09:11] just woke up. i dunno [09:11] it has been working up until recently, but very unsure as to why it would have stopped working [09:12] according to a strace, it does the DNS lookup fine (which was my first concern) and all looks hunkey dorey [09:12] do you have all the right settings? [09:12] http://dpaste.com/806735/ [09:12] yeah, allow_url_fopen [09:13] is set to On in php.ini - and in the phpinfo() for both php.ini for apache and for cli [09:13] mgdm: you about? [09:17] andylockran: have you tried wgetting said file, as the webserver user, and making sure that works? [09:17] sometimes http is firewalled [09:17] andylockran: also, check the apache error log / php error messages? [09:18] wget is working [09:19] and I can't see any errors in the logs [09:19] I've got E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE on [09:52] haha somone is queueing outside the Apple Store here and waiting for iPhone 5 =D [09:53] bittin^work, where's "here?" [09:54] Täby, Stockholm [09:54] the only apple store in Sweden [09:54] etc [09:54] ok ty [09:54] np [09:55] what's so funny about queueing for an iphone? :) [09:56] life is too short to queue for a phone [09:56] mattt, that person has fricking 520km to queue for a phone :p [09:56] has gone 520km i mean [10:00] popey: fully agree, doesn't stop thousands from doing it tho [10:00] sure, people are idiots [10:01] i don't even like queueing for food [10:01] if you go 520km to the only Apple store in the country to queue you dont have much to do :D [10:01] bittin^work: yeah, i work with a guy who supposedly camped out for a phone [10:01] i gave up on understanding people years ago [10:02] it's all about the Bling [10:04] I'm an old hippy and refuse to buy anything related [10:06] I've still got a Sont Ericsson from 10 years a go:) [10:06] Sony* [10:06] i got an ZTE Skate, cheap android phone is not that hip [10:06] does me just fine [10:06] Morning all [10:07] and iam out of podcasts to listen to :( [10:07] heard Ubuntu Uk Podcast S05E16 and Droidnation #40 this morning [10:07] I'm normally housebound so I don't need maps [10:07] bittin^work: i've not listened, but the food fight ones seem good [10:08] bittin^work: http://foodfightshow.org/index.html [10:08] bittin^work, pcpro? tuxradar? [10:08] I like those two [10:09] when's the next ubuntu audio.cast due? [10:11] popey, never heard any of those [10:12] but my spotify got some music and its lunch now anyways, so think i will be fine [10:12] AlanBell: care to start making bets on my trip to ireland next week to see if the airports strike! [10:16] czajkowski: it will not strike, instead the runway will be flooded. [10:16] =) [10:16] xnox: nah we can deal with floods no bother, it's ireand we're used to the rain [10:16] the striking and snow tends to muck up my travel [10:17] fair enough =) [10:17] I like how in norway they clean the whole runway from 2 feet of snow in less than 9 minutes for a plane to take off. [10:17] xnox: here it takes 2 weeks [10:17] except we're only talking 2 inches [10:18] xnox: read this first - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/21/crazy-few-days/ [10:18] mattt: do they melt it with cups of tea? [10:18] xnox: then http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/22/taim-sa-bhaile/ [10:20] xnox: you going to the open stack meet up later on today ? [10:23] yup my cellphone is 10 years old and I don't have a facebook account, maybe I'm on my own in my own World.. but I like it [10:25] only thing I do regular is upgrade my pc's [10:26] and poo, and use irc? [10:26] hah [10:26] plus lots of coffee === issyl0 is now known as Guest85093 [10:29] I've been using irc for over 20-odd years and my spelling is no better, there's no hope for some of us [10:31] czajkowski: well. I will pop into the office for installer meeting. But I don't think I will be staying for openstack as I have London Volleyball Association Referee meeting to attend at 7pm up north in zone 2. [10:37] zone 2, that's practically the countryside right?! [10:45] czajkowski: prod morning [10:45] i hear you have to bring your passport for zone 2 [10:46] gord: are you back? [10:48] nope [10:48] * popey tickles gord [10:48] drat, I had a question for gord and I can't remember it now [10:48] but i walked up a mountain again today so i'm not moving from my hotel room bed for a few hours [10:49] gord: isn't it like insane o'clock in the night there? [10:49] nope, nearly 8 [10:50] gord: oh well that's not so bad [10:51] had a pizza with potato on it last night, it was the best pizza ever, gonna make it myself when i get home [11:04] andylockran: pong? [11:17] Afternoon guys, I remember someone in here saying they have set up an internal messenger service probably on xmpp ? [11:18] In the past I have used Openfire and ejabberd to do that [11:18] both work OPenfire is quite big and heavy and Java-y though [11:18] ejabberd's config is a little quirky, too === Guest85093 is now known as issyl0 [11:18] Just looking at Openfire actually, so at least that's a good start [11:18] so it's swings and roundabouts :) [11:18] XMPP \o/ [11:18] hehe [11:19] not seen that in a while, MattJ :) [11:19] XMPP o/ [11:19] On a secondary point my boss has just raised, integrating on into our php erp application [11:19] Use same backgrounds I guess [11:20] Openfire is good at tying into other stuff, though you might need a plugin for both apps to do it [11:20] https://blueimp.net/ajax/ [11:20] OK, that's doable.. will delve deeper thanks [11:20] Only thing I would be wary of with Openfire is their security flaw history [11:20] the advantage of XMPP stuff is you can use loads of clients to access it [11:21] All internal stuff anyhoo, but will also look into that [11:21] Keep it firewalled as much as you can if you go with it, especially the admin web interface it has [11:21] i only used ejabberd but was a while ago i was playing with that stuff [11:22] that's good advice for any network service [11:23] mgdm, plenty of network services are run public-facing on the internet, I would never personally allow Openfire that privilege [11:23] A while back they had a bug that allowed any user to change any other user's password (including the admin's) [11:23] well, obviously [11:24] mgdm, yea i like that with xmpp and aim [11:24] that you can be logged in at alot of computers [11:24] but my point was that if you're running *any* service, regardless of what it is or its security history, that doesn't need to be public then don't make it [11:24] Sure [11:24] but all my friends only uses facebook chat or skype nowdays or irc :p [11:24] im kinda died :o [11:26] How anyone uses Skype I don't know [11:34] I used to have a 4 digit icq number before until it was hacked by someone from Turkey [11:35] pinky-, i'll give you a 1-digit number on another service nobody else uses either :P [11:36] you have have number 2 on blobby messaging service [11:36] haha [11:39] hahahahhaa: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388780_411092718945985_1467634616_n.jpg [11:40] lol [12:13] imo Skype is used a lot because of webcam conference and group chat, I suppose the same reason why Video Conference sites like BlogTV are popular nowadays, seems people like function [12:14] and google+'s hangouts. [12:14] 11317622 [12:15] <3 ICQ [12:17] popey, added u on icq :D [12:17] I heard there were power regression issues with kernel 3.5 vs 3.4? [12:17] in the old days it was possible to collect all "warez" and not miss anything, so I tended to try ALL new software.. there is so much nowadays that's not possible.. plus I've had a couple of bad experiences and prefer my privicy now so I've stopped joining every new service.. I don't even have a google+ account [12:18] Would you say unity is optimized for the laptop? What DE or distro would you recommend for laptop? [12:33] I hit my head in the 90's and been in that era ever since:) [12:34] there's no help for me [12:35] * mattt hands pinky- a 2400 bps modem [12:35] Good afternoon peeps :) [12:35] * pinky- dials Demon [12:35] good afternoon bigcalm [12:35] Are we having a nostalgia kick? [12:36] yeah lol [12:36] telnet antidote.hopto.org with http://www.paradroid.net/cgterm/ for the modern C= 64 BBS experience [12:36] always! [12:36] * bigcalm pauses with some dust force [12:40] haro? [12:40] is this ubuntu-uk channel? [12:40] no [12:40] #ubuntu-eu [12:40] it might be [12:41] #ubuntu-nwo ? [12:48] That was fun [12:48] Now back to making more crud [12:55] bigcalm: ah come on your code isn't that bad :P [12:55] * popey wonders why Laney felt the need to send me a Boyzone track via Spotify [12:56] Boyzone i forgot about them lol =< [12:56] there is a box of 11.10 CDs.... using one as a coaster =) [12:58] popey: he thought you needed camping up and romancing before he asked you to sing YMCA I can only assume he doesn't know it just takes alcohol and a karaoke machine [13:24] AlanBell: minisipserver just got published [13:27] * popey wonders when/if AlanBell is coming over for tea [13:45] Wasn't that happening a few hours ago :p [14:07] davmor2: know what the status is of Vessel being published in the USC? [14:09] can't see that word without thinking of Star Trek.. "Wessel" [14:09] davmor2: ah, the devs are dragging their heals http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/744388-vessel-for-mac-and-linux-alpha [14:09] popey: heh [14:10] Might give in and play it via steam on gameos [14:10] (at some point) [14:20] popey: where are your unclear wessels? [14:29] diplo, i might have to stop using cinnamon :( [14:34] I already have [14:35] Was having way to many issues, my only issue with unity is the dash speed and just wish it acted more like do [14:35] popey: we got a telly in here yesterday with voice control, which resulted in a bit of a 'hello computer?' scene for a while [14:36] :) [14:44] Back to the CRUD [14:47] diplo, main issue is lockups during i/o and runing out of memory, causing bad performance. works great on my laptop thought, but my desktop PC is usually up for weeks at a time and running 50 chrome tabs etc [14:47] gnome2 never complained [14:47] unity, gnome3 weren't great either, but haven't used unity since january/feb [14:48] I think i/o was my issue, also with lock ups] [14:53] :( [14:53] didn't report bug since i didn't know how to troubleshoot it [15:08] mgdm: what's your preferred method of deployment for PHP projects? [15:09] bigcalm: we have our own mechanism that we're just about to move to Capistrano [15:10] mgdm: ta. Boss is mumbling something about a new deployment method and Capistrano was also mentioned [15:11] Not a fan of working with Ruby/Rails, but oh well [15:11] Capistrano is not Rails :) [15:12] and ruby's not that bad [15:15] damned with faint praise [15:15] :D [15:15] popey: we get that with PHP _all the time_ [15:18] bear in mind I'm from Scotland, where 'not bad' is approximately equal to 'pretty good' [15:22] RAWR [15:22] what an amazing day [15:25] * bigcalm tickles christel [15:26] hihi [15:28] been filming at black hangar all day [15:28] amazing [15:31] who's going to openstack meetup tonight? [15:31] think i see a few of you reg'd [15:31] mgdm, haha, when I used to teach courses for SAP, we had a score card which had loads of questions about the course, you could score it --- -- - 0 + ++ +++, which amounts to 1 through 7.. scotts people _always_ put 0 down the middle [15:32] which amounts to 4 out of 7, which is _awful_, target was 6.3/7 [15:37] hehehe [15:47] Can one eat too much Rennie? [15:49] if you start foaming at the mouth, that's too much [15:49] Or a sign of rabies [15:49] probably [15:51] bigcalm: If you eat 2 metric tonnes of it, I suspect that might be too much [15:51] Imperial tons are okay though I guess [15:55] bigcalm: Like the dollar, they're not worth much these days... [15:56] bigcalm: still waiting for the app [15:57] davmor2: looks like humble indie bundle are as well [15:57] bigcalm: yeah there were some bug that we and the bundle guys discovered on different platforms so we are all waiting for it [15:59] I see [16:08] i've used fabric for some deployment-related tasks [16:09] may be worth looking at in conjunction w/ capistrano [16:09] Rochard does look like fun. Might install it later [16:10] bigcalm: torchlight is nice shame about the fullscreen not working correctly but other than that it's great [16:10] davmor2: I'm not good at controlling lots of things at once [16:17] ah back in the UK after 2 months of travels away [16:17] wb [16:17] ta ^_^ [16:18] daftykins: what drew you back to this dump? [16:19] just the rock i have to hop on before getting back to Guernsey really ;) [16:19] went to a wedding of a friends over in Australia, then road-tripped the US from west coast to east coast [16:19] flying back from New York via Iceland on Tuesday [16:19] cool [16:19] Goodness [16:19] had/having a good time? :) [16:20] yeah not bad thanks :) hot weather nearly killed me though XD [16:20] a while back now, we drove through Death Valley national park - 47 deg C in the shade [16:20] ouch [16:21] Set aircon to "north pole" [16:21] if only - unfortunately i got to use it rarely as my two friends enjoyed the warmth quite unreasonably [16:21] but ah well, all done now :) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [16:53] How the flipityflop did it get to be nearly 6pm? [16:55] time passed at one second per second [16:55] bigcalm: did you blink [16:56] davmor2: this is possible. Sometimes my blinks can take hours to complete [16:56] bigcalm: and is there a 6foot stone angel somewhere nearby [16:56] davmor2: that would send me back in time [16:56] Or just kill me [16:57] bigcalm: ah no it just transfers you in time that particular one sent them back :P [17:01] I keep hearing and seeing adverts for "killing them softly" (film) and thinking with his song (Fugee stylee) [17:11] tellin' mah whole life, with his words... [17:11] daftykins: 1 time....... [17:11] ;] [17:12] can't believe Red Dwarf is coming back [18:52] http://www.flossuk.org/Events/Unconference2012?action=show&redirect=unconf2012 people might want to ponder this (day after Ubuntu release) [18:54] err, no. 18th is the release [19:17] 11 [19:23] Elonex webbook with Ubuntu 12.04, display corruption, any ideas? [19:23] oh my [19:23] Azelphur: define corruption [19:23] * AlanBell knows about corruption on the webbook [19:25] penguin42: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrm9kjtpcpzymxb/2012-09-27%2020.24.03.jpg?m [19:25] AlanBell: know how to fix it? [19:26] install hardy :) [19:26] just looking for the project with the open drivers for it [19:27] Azelphur: what is it running at the moment? [19:27] AlanBell: broken ubuntu install apparently [19:27] so trying to fresh install [19:27] oh, not a subtle problem then [19:28] it has a via C7 graphics card which is rubbish, and has rubbish open drivers [19:28] VIA did briefly let some binary drivers out that let the 3d stuff work which was good for a few weeks until a new kernel broke them and they never reappeared [19:29] http://www.openchrome.org/ [19:29] this sounds easy \o/ [19:30] if you plug in an external monitor from bootup you might be able to get some stuff working, enough to get the openchrome drivers installed [19:30] I think we used a fixed xorg.conf to give hints about the display size as the edid lies [19:31] it might be that with just an xorg.conf specifying the resolution as 1024x600 then the corruption will go away [19:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1148184 [19:33] sample xorg.conf there, the important bit is Option "PanelSize" "1024x600" [19:34] cool, trying it [19:50] AlanBell: I think I need a default xorg.conf to get this to work [19:50] not sure how to make a default one though [19:51] how do you mean? [19:51] by default there isn't one [19:51] you just create a text file in /etc/xorg.conf with the right stuff in it [19:51] yea [19:51] but I don't know what the right stuff is [19:51] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1148184 comment 4 [19:51] on that thread he says he added that stuff to his xorg.conf, insinuating that there is more [19:51] paste that in [19:52] is that the whole file? [19:52] no, that is sufficient [19:52] err, looks like it needs Section before "Device" [19:52] and identifier is spelt wrong [19:52] * hamitron still hates the lack of xorgconfig [19:52] I'm pretty sure I fixed those things :p [19:54] http://www.x.org/wiki/ConfigurationHelp [19:55] oO, skeleton configuration files [19:55] do what AB said first ofc [19:55] ;) [19:55] he is more clever than I [19:56] I did, it's not working :( [19:56] :/ [19:56] trying to find the original stuff I wrote about it [19:56] I'm trying this on a livecd though, I created the xorg.conf and restarted lightdm [19:56] cool :D [19:56] got rid of that domain some time ago, but the data should exist somewhere [19:59] took me over a year to get X working on my first install of linux [20:03] http://rblondon.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/elonex-webbook-screen-issue.html that one looks correct [20:03] think I might have deleted all the webbookblog.com content [20:04] ForcePanel might be important too [20:05] cool, ty :D [20:16] AlanBell: woo it works! \o/ [20:16] * Azelphur gives AlanBell 5 internets. [20:17] yay [20:17] so what is that running now? Quantal? [20:18] actually you probably want to stop at precise with that one as there won't be 3d and it won't have the horsepower for decent llvmpipe performance [20:18] or just don't install unity or gnome-shell [20:19] and marvel at how fast everything runs [20:19] AlanBell: 12.04 [20:19] yea, I'm tempted to say this might be a candidate for lubuntu [20:21] yea, I'll drop lubuntu on it [20:23] go for it [20:23] good point ali1234 [20:23] Azelphur: Or try adding MATE (i.e. Gnome2) [20:24] I imagine lxde is faster than gnome2 [20:24] not really [20:24] * Azelphur shrugs [20:24] I have Lubuntu iso downloaded anyway so it's nice and easy [20:25] you are not going to achieve "fast" [20:25] hehe indeed [20:25] what's it's storage? [20:25] but there are a number of things that are perfectly usable for modest requirements [20:25] 80GB hdd [20:25] do you have 1GB on it? [20:26] sata or pata? [20:26] the upgrade from 512 to 1GB is worth doing [20:26] data [20:26] sata even [20:26] might be a worth a low end ssd, might make it usable [20:26] hehe, it's not my netbook [20:27] so someone else has to put up with the painful slowness ;) [20:27] I wouldn't bother with buying stuff for it, but a rummage around the bits box might produce a ram stick [20:28] it can only be upgraded to 1GB [20:28] also MATE is completely redundant [20:28] even if you stick a 2GB stick in you will only get 1GB recognised [20:28] gnome-panel still runs on gtk3 [20:31] yea, I'm just getting it up and running, I don't have any spare sticks for it :p [20:31] it'll be slow, but better than nothing [20:31] i wonder who is maintaining that actually [20:35] evening [20:35] \o jacobw [20:35] hey, how's it going? [20:36] why can't we have party political broadcasts like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK7QfCEEiBs&feature=player_embedded [20:36] because you live in a sane country [20:37] there is that [20:38] And you already have panel game shows :) [20:41] Good evening peeps :) [20:41] GE bigcalm [20:42] pip pip [20:42] popey: trying CP/M again? [20:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peripheral_Interchange_Program [20:47] hehe [20:47] alias pip=cp [20:48] wasn't it also similar to dd ? [20:48] well cp is quite similar to dd ;) [20:59] on my phone I have google plus messenger or something, where is that in the web UI? [21:01] AlanBell: do you have the web UI open? [21:01] yes [21:01] Message sent [21:02] my phone pings [21:02] no activity in the browser [21:02] But nothing accessible via the web? Poop [21:02] Maybe it's a phone only thing [21:03] very odd [21:15] AlanBell: just use empathy? [21:16]