[03:06] <holstein> darn... i missed talking FloatingGoat out of that honer
[03:12] <Unit193> Never heard of, only players in the family are sis and mom (2 out of 5 ;) )
[03:36] <len-dt> holstein, the one Hohner guitar I have (The Jack) , Has fret placement problems.. the intonation moves all the way up the fretboard... back and forth. It is fine at fret 12 and open, but G is way sharp for example.
[03:37] <len-dt> A is better... you get the idea.
[03:37] <holstein> yeah, honer is not great quality for strings...
[03:37] <holstein> i think there is better value out there
[03:37] <holstein> len-dt: how's it sound otherwise? decent?
[07:29] <drupin> my usb install was freez when running local server and google chrome....  system info here http://jsbin.com/isiguk/1/
[15:22] <holstein> drupin: at a glance, i would start looking into the via chip support.. maybe forcing vesa
[15:22] <holstein> drupin: i would take the USB stick to another machine to test that the install is working fine
[17:48] <hypnocat> when i do an "apt-get update", i see a bunch of messages like:
[17:48] <hypnocat> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/multiverse i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
[17:48] <hypnocat> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[17:49] <hypnocat> but when i re-run "apt-get update", i get the same warnings
[17:49] <hypnocat> any suggestions on how i could fix this?
[18:06] <holstein> hypnocat: first thing i would check is PPA's that have been added
[18:07] <holstein> 2nd thing i would do is check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/183007/duplicate-sources-list-entries
[18:07] <holstein> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/precise-partner.* is suggested, and seems apppropriate
[18:09] <hypnocat> how do i check what PPA's have been added?  and what are PPA's?
[18:12] <holstein> hypnocat: if you didnt add any, then there likely arent any
[18:12] <holstein> !ppa | hypnocat
[18:12] <hypnocat> thanks
[18:12] <holstein> usually breakages occure due to adding those
[18:12] <hypnocat> i didn't add anything
[18:12] <holstein> hypnocat: that link i gave should explain how to deal with your issue
[18:12] <hypnocat> i get the above errors when running "apt-get update" from the ubuntu studio livecd as soon as it's booted
[18:13] <hypnocat> without making any changes tothe system
[18:13] <hypnocat> thanks
[18:13] <holstein> hypnocat: i wouldnt run apt-get update
[18:13] <holstein> not on the live CD
[18:13] <hypnocat> oh?
[18:14] <holstein> i would do minimal package management from the live CD.. though that link should explain how to deal with what you are experiencing
[18:14] <hypnocat> alright, thank you
[18:15] <holstein> im not saying you shouldnt install things in the live environment.. but you will have issues
[18:15] <holstein> i mean, what if you update the package list? and you need to install a bunch of libs?
[18:15] <holstein> or update the kernel?
[18:15] <holstein> at some point you might hit something that requires a reboot
[18:15] <holstein> the live environment is just that.. and should really be used mostly "as-is" or as testing
[18:16] <holstein> if you want a live USB stick, i say, just go ahead and install.. do a normal installation to the stic putting grub on it
[18:16] <holstein> you can also do your own live CD
[18:19] <hypnocat> well, i just wanted to get the latest versions of the various apps that are available
[18:19] <holstein> hypnocat: sure, but every time?
[18:19] <hypnocat> every time i use the livcd, sure
[18:19] <holstein> hypnocat: i wouldnt bother just for the live CD.. not everytime its booted up
[18:20] <hypnocat> i don't do it often, mind you
[18:20] <holstein> that could be a big upload each time
[18:20] <hypnocat> but sometimes i need to use the livcd, and then it'd be nice to have the newest apps
[18:20] <hypnocat> it's not that big a download
[18:20] <holstein> best case scenario, you spend 20 to 30 minutes getting new apps that dont require a reboot
[18:20] <holstein> hypnocat: it'll get bigger as the packages get older
[18:20] <hypnocat> true.. but then there'll be a new version of ubuntu studio
[18:21] <holstein> hypnocat: you can always try the dailies
[18:21] <holstein> hypnocat: i will use the LTS
[18:21] <hypnocat> what's LTS?
[18:21] <holstein> though i will test the 12.10 and others
[18:21] <holstein> hypnocat: long term support
[18:21] <hypnocat> ah
[18:21] <hypnocat> i'm using 12.04.1 now
[18:21] <holstein> im still using ubuntustudio 10.04 on my studio rig
[18:22] <holstein> thought i test the other versions as time permits
[18:22] <holstein> just as you want the latest packages, i just want things to work
[18:22] <hypnocat> i haer you
[18:22] <hypnocat> hear
[18:22] <holstein> i will move to 12.04 though
[18:22] <hypnocat> i'd like the newest stuff.. but when it doesn't work, i'll settle for older stuff that does
[18:23] <holstein> still, just make your own live CD>. or just install to USB... i wouldnt expect big system upgrades to work well on the live CD
[18:23] <holstein> i mean, maybe you want to try a different jack version.. or a particular app upgrade.. still, there wont be big changes in the 12.04 version
[18:23] <holstein> those updates are mostly frozen to just security upgrades or whatever
[18:24] <holstein> running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on a live 12.04 cd wont get you the latest and greatest.. it'll just get you the updates to the current versions
[18:24] <holstein> fixes mostly
[18:24] <holstein> i would just download a daily every now and then
[18:26] <hypnocat> hmm
[18:26] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/
[18:27] <holstein> that will be the most current versions mostly
[18:27] <holstein> even some of those will be older than the most newest available
[18:28] <holstein> ardour is a great example
[18:28] <holstein> we are shipping an older version that just has fixes... and the ardour team is working on 3.x
[18:28] <holstein> you wont see 3.x in ubuntustudio for a while... til its stable
[18:29] <holstein> you can apt-get update all day in any live ubuntu cd and never get anything ardour has produced recently
[18:31] <hypnocat> i see
[18:40] <hypnocat> hmm.. i think i may have run in to a small problem while trying to install libjack-dev..
[18:40] <hypnocat> http://pastie.org/4831072
[18:47] <hypnocat> whoops
[18:47] <hypnocat> my fault
[18:47] <hypnocat> i didn't realize that ubuntu-studio was using libjack-jackd2
[18:47] <hypnocat> and that i therefore needed to install libjack-jackd2-dev, not libjack-dev
[18:48] <hypnocat> installing libjack-jackd2-dev worked
[19:41] <joebar> Hi people , i've got a question , is it possible to use two audio driver at the same time ?
[19:44] <ailo> joebar: By audio driver, do you actually mean sound system?
[19:44] <ailo> joebar: You can use PA, jack and alsa all at the same time
[19:44] <ailo> Depending on how you do it
[19:45] <ailo> You can always use them with different cards, at the same time
[19:45] <ailo> PA can be connected to jack
[19:45] <ailo> When PA is connected to jack, PA is not using any audio card, so you can have both PA and jack running on one card
[19:48] <joebar> no I mean , when I use wine with the ASIO driver , I can't hear any other sound from anywhere , I mean , if I use my audio production program , I can't hear sounds from video or media player
[19:50] <joebar> so I'm asking if it is possible to run two drivers at the same time and if not , is there a driver that I could use for both aplications
[20:06] <joebar> nvm i figured it out
[20:06] <joebar> tnx anyway
[21:52] <len-dt> hypnocat, holstein, the message about two sets of PPAs is normal when running a live ISO. This is because the DVD/ISO has a second set or copy of some of the things. This normally goes away after the install and reboot to disk. Otherwise it seems not to affect anything.
[21:53] <len-dt> holstein, The hohner "Jack" seems to be a cheaply made instrument. It is neck though and headless.
[21:56] <len-dt> I replaced the bridge pickup right off because one of the cheap plastic mount tabs was broken... I put an S/D in. The two neck PUs are ok sounding though. The bridge is a cheap knockoff of the steinberger that I could never get to stay in tune, so I have made it as solid as I can... no more whammy.
[21:59] <len-dt> basically, if I had money, I would replace it.... if I was playing it for gigs, I would replace it even if I couldn't afford it. It is ok for playing around with and for gigging... with lots of patience to make sure it stays at one temperature as that affects tuning too.