[01:27] <endless1239> hello all
[01:27] <endless1239> Question
[01:27] <endless1239> I am interesting in becoming doing kubuntu packaging, which guide would be best to read pertaining that
[02:57] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how to checkout/fetch a project using its git URL inside Kdevelop4? 
[07:26] <pkt> I noticed that in ubiquity kde frontend some strings are not translatable
[07:26] <pkt> e.g., in PartAuto.py
[07:27] <pkt> I think I can fix those, but I need some guidance in what to do with the ones in .ui files
[07:27] <pkt> how are the strings in .ui files in ubiquity becoming translatable?
[08:51] <Riddell> pkt: I think there's a route that goes over all the strings and translates them
[08:52] <pkt> Riddell: there is "debconf updatepo" if you mean this
[08:53] <pkt> but I 'm asking something different. How do strings in .ui files become translatable
[08:53] <pkt> in python code I see get_string() used
[08:53] <pkt> but in the .ui files what is the equivalent?
[08:54] <Riddell> should be in translate_pages() and translate_widgets() in kde_ui.py
[08:55] <Riddell> text = self.get_string(name, lang, prefix)
[08:55] <Riddell> "name" is the widgetName which matches the name of the string needed in debconf
[08:55] <Riddell> but there's a bunch of special cases there for various widgets which don't do that
[08:56] <pkt> hmm I see, maybe this is the problem then
[08:56] <pkt> at least this gives me a starting point :)
[10:45] <apachelogger> !find media9.sty
[11:05] <pkt> ok so it seems that one case the reason for untranslatable strings is that get_string() needs to be defined
[11:05] <pkt> (ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartAuto.py)
[11:05] <pkt> and in others it is just missing debconf templates
[11:05] <Riddell> does it not work at all there?
[11:05] <pkt> yes, pyflakes says it is undefined
[11:06] <pkt> when I copy&pasted the implementation it works
[11:06] <pkt> (I mean when I copied the implementation of get_string() to this file it works)
[11:06] <Riddell> surely it would cause a bracktrace if it was undefined
[11:06] <pkt> it wasn't being ran
[11:06] <pkt> for this reason
[11:06] <pkt> it was commented out
[11:06] <Riddell> mm
[11:07] <pkt> thus the strings stayed untranslatable
[11:07] <pkt> you can check yourself in ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartAuto.py
[11:07] <pkt> the versions with get_string() are commented out and have a TODO on top
[11:08] <pkt> these are 2 of the 5 untranslatable strings
[11:08] <pkt> the other 3 were just missing templates I think
[11:08] <pkt> I will test it in a few minutes
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:30] <Riddell> hi
[11:30] <shadeslayer> hi Riddell
[11:30] <shadeslayer> and everyone 
[11:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: feeling better?
[11:37] <shadeslayer> a bit, my eyes still hurt from looking at the screen :P
[11:38]  * shadeslayer wil most likely be back to work till tomorrow
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ok guys , can you settle a small debate , ...is kde 4.9.1 in the regular repos now  or does it still require the backports?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> still requires backports for Precise
[11:47] <shadeslayer> It will never make it into the archives because we only release bug fix updates for precise
[11:49] <konqui> shadeslayer: Can you look at my problem in 12.10 while shutting down that I mentioned in #kubuntu, against which package should I report that bug?
[11:49] <konqui> When sutting down from menu , the screen gets blurred, if I click somewhere the blur vanishes and I can use the system as if no shutdown was done, however if I press enter while the screen is blurred it shutsdown.
[11:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:55] <shadeslayer> konqui: I believe that the shutdown dialog is not shown
[11:56] <shadeslayer> are you using some 3rd party plasma theme?
[11:56] <konqui> shadeslayer: No I'm using air of course
[11:57] <shadeslayer> konqui: this should appear ideally ( different theme ) : http://i.imgur.com/FZo95.png
[11:57] <shadeslayer> can you check if kde-workspace is installed?
[11:59] <konqui> shadeslayer: Its installed, I got the dialogue on 4.9.1 on precise. I installed quantal beta 2, all updates and only vlc, google-chrome and aptitude installed.
[11:59] <shadeslayer> that's ... odd
[12:02] <konqui> And also, I have customised lightdm and changed its background in system settings if that could be related
[12:02] <shadeslayer> konqui: can you logout, switch to a tty, mv .kde .kde_bak , login and try shutting down
[12:03] <shadeslayer> ( the mighty google suggests it might be a config issue )
[12:03] <konqui> Hmm I'll try
[12:05] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1058058] webkit ftbfs on armel and armhf @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1058058 (by Matthias Klose)
[12:08] <shadeslayer> hmm ... who's coming to UDS from the US?
[12:09] <konqui> shadeslayer: Same issue
[12:10] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[12:10] <konqui> But I just noticed that I see the dialog if desktop effects are turned off
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ohh
[12:12] <konqui> Now tried with desktop effects on and logout effect off and it works. Strange as it worked on 12.04 with 4.9.1
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Martin might have a idea
[12:13] <shadeslayer> but he's not around
[12:15] <shadeslayer> konqui: #kwin would be the best place since it's a kwin component
[12:15] <shadeslayer> s/component/issue
[12:18] <shadeslayer> bbl
[14:03] <int_ua> What's the debug package for /usr/bin/plasma-desktop ?  I have it crashed but cannot find the debug package. I'm using Kubuntu Backports PPA
[14:04] <tsimpson> int_ua: should be kde-workspace-dbg
[14:06] <int_ua> tsimpson: Thanks, looks like the right one. 870 Mb... =(
[14:09] <tsimpson> yeah, it's more than just the plasma debugging stuff
[14:20] <shadeslayer> most likely pulls in qt dbg and what not
[14:21] <int_ua> yeah, it is
[14:22] <tsimpson> it may be >800MB, but just think of those lovely full stack traces! :)
[14:23] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:23] <shadeslayer> In the end, it's going to be worth ut
[14:23] <shadeslayer> *it
[14:24] <int_ua> let's hope so :)
[14:25] <int_ua> BTW, it's reproducible. If anyone has xchat, try minimizing it to tray multiple time really fast
[14:25] <int_ua> s/time/times/
[14:25] <kubotu> int_ua meant: "BTW, it's reproducible. If anyone has xchat, try minimizing it to tray multiple times really fast"
[14:28] <int_ua> xchat and Kubuntu Backport PPA anyone?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> do I *have* to install xchat :(
[14:31] <int_ua> tsimpson, shadeslayer: Nope, /usr/bin/plasma-desktop still don't have the debug symbols
[14:31] <int_ua> but a lot of other libs disappeared from the list
[14:32] <int_ua> oh, and the second one is /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_menubar.so
[14:32] <int_ua> so I guess we'll need xchat + menubar + Backports
[14:34] <tsimpson> I don't think there are any debugging symbols for plasma-widget-menubar
[14:36]  * int_ua is sad
[14:36] <int_ua> So what should I do, tsimpson?
[14:38] <tsimpson> get the best trace you can for now I suppose
[14:38] <tsimpson> either that, or grab the source and compile yourself, without stripping
[14:39] <shadeslayer> int_ua: should I be minimizing to the systray?
[14:39] <micahg> there are debugging symbols for that, you need the ddebs.u.c repository
[14:39] <tsimpson> micahg: doesn't work with PPAs
[14:39] <micahg> ah, yeah, right
[14:40] <shadeslayer> works just fine on Neon btw
[14:40] <int_ua> yes, to the systray, clicking on the icon in the systray
[14:40] <int_ua> Neon?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, working fine 
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Project Neon :)
[14:40] <tsimpson> !neon
[14:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:40] <shadeslayer> We're so awesome we now have a factoid? Cool!
[14:40] <int_ua> How unstable is it?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> int_ua: it's basically packages from git
[14:41] <shadeslayer> installed to /opt/project-neon
[14:41] <shadeslayer> see the link :)
[14:41] <int_ua> so it's like nitroglycerine
[14:41] <shadeslayer> prettymuch
[14:42] <tsimpson> dangerous, sure. but so much FUN to play with!
[14:42] <int_ua> ok, trying to report with current backtrace
[14:42] <shadeslayer> actually, tbh, I've never had a crash with Neon
[14:42] <shadeslayer> unless I screwed my code :P
[14:43] <int_ua> =D
[14:45] <int_ua> I have to leave, is this channel logged?
[14:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:45] <shadeslayer> !logs
[14:46] <int_ua> thanks again
[15:22] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1053166] 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1 ftbfs on armel/armhf @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1053166 (by Matthias Klose)
[17:07] <yofel_> tsimpson: plasma-widget-menubar has debugging symbols in plasma-widget-menubar-dbgsym - read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[17:13] <ScottK> !ninjas | 4.9.2 tarballs available.
[17:17] <Riddell> golly
[17:39] <Quintasan> quite
[17:39] <bulldog98_> anything done for 4.9.2? 
[17:40] <Quintasan> I just got back home from uni stuff
[17:40] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Feel free to take something. I'll make a tea and start something too
[17:43] <yofel_> do we have a known working version of the upload scripts?
[17:44] <Quintasan> Did we ever have upload scripts?
[17:44]  * Quintasan never seen them
[17:44] <yofel_> you weren't around for a while ^^
[17:44] <Riddell> search debfx's kubuntu-automation
[17:44] <debfx> if it's not working it is certainly fixable
[17:45] <yofel_> debfx: the packages dropped kde-sc-dev-latest, so the deps need to be bumped individually
[17:45] <yofel_> I've got some script snippets somewhere that I used for the rebuild, give me a minute
[17:46] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.9.2? has that even been tagged yet?
[17:46] <yofel_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yofel/+junk/rebuildstuff/files
[17:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-release-team&m=134885176923212&w=2
[17:48] <shadeslayer> wait what
[17:48] <yofel_> is kde-packagers now officially deprecated? I only saw it as I'm on the release-team ML as well
[17:48] <shadeslayer> why was that not released to kde-packagers?
[17:48] <yofel_> and ignore it most of the time
[17:48] <Riddell> I guess the new guy who posted that doesn't even know about kde-packagers
[17:49] <yofel_> shadeslayer: upstream has the opinion that packagers are part of the release team, so should read their ML as well it seems
[17:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:49] <shadeslayer> that's one more ML I get to subscribe to, yay
[17:49] <yofel_> what Riddell said probably too, new name to me at least
[17:49] <shadeslayer> well .. I've worked with Torgny before
[17:50] <shadeslayer> he setup build.kde.org to use my old laptop as a build save
[17:50] <yofel_> hehe
[17:50] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately, it died
[17:51] <debfx> yofel_: so we need a hardcoded list of build-deps to bump? :/
[17:52] <yofel_> debfx: well, it's the list that kde-sc-dev-latest had - i.e. the former yellow packages on our wiki. If you've got a better idea I'm open for suggestions
[17:52]  * shadeslayer waves fist at KNotify
[17:52] <yofel_> I couldn't think of anything else that wouldn't produce false-positives
[17:53] <yofel> which reminds me..
[17:53] <debfx> yofel_: right, having to keep these in sync is what I don't like
[17:53] <bulldog98> btw how to get that kubuntu-automation working?
[17:53] <yofel> I think we need to review the build-deps and check whether all actually have a versioned build-dep right now
[17:53] <yofel> some packages just relied on kde-sc-dev-latest I believe
[17:55] <debfx> yeah, that's what it's for
[17:55] <Riddell> I should have added versioned build-dep wherever kde-sc-dev-latest was used
[17:55] <debfx> bulldog98: it's still a bit experimental, lack of documentation is one issue
[17:57] <yofel> I think you missed some things like libksane or so in some cases. Not sure, I just took a quick look at the control files when I was writing my rebuild script
[17:57] <yofel> although, those have good ABI management so shouldn't even break
[17:59] <debfx> what I'm worried about is stuff like #ifdef VERSION >= XZ
[17:59] <yofel> good point
[18:01] <bulldog98> where is our packaging gone?
[18:01] <bulldog98> I can’t find kde4libs bzr branch
[18:01] <yofel> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ ?
[18:02] <Riddell> it's called kdelibs
[18:02] <yofel> and use kbzr
[18:02] <bulldog98> ah right to long that I haven’t build a package
[18:03] <Riddell> but it's best to do it en-masse
[18:03] <bulldog98> do we have a new automation for that?
[18:03] <Riddell> throw them all into the ninjas PPA and wait for it to compile and use debfx's script to parse the output
[18:03] <Riddell> that's what some part of kubuntu-automation did I think
[18:03] <bulldog98> Riddell: hm kgetsource isn’t working anymore and I don’t know why
[18:04] <bulldog98> Riddell: link to the script please
[18:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer did the 4.9.1 update so he should know all about it :)
[18:04] <Riddell> debfx's stuff is in https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[18:05] <yofel> anyone who does use the script please put some documentation on the ninja pad
[18:05] <Riddell> http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
[18:05] <yofel> debfx: did you fix the version parsing?
[18:05] <debfx> yofel: I think so, testing right now
[18:06] <yofel> bulldog98: please wait until he's done ^
[18:06] <shadeslayer> hm?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> I did the backport update
[18:09] <debfx> grrr
[18:09] <debfx> all the branches still have UNRELEASED in the changelog
[18:09] <debfx> apachelogger: ^
[18:10] <bulldog98> debfx: run sed over it?
[18:10] <yofel> he'll still have to checkout all ~100 of them...
[18:10] <yofel> and if that wasn't enough, kdegames will add ~40 
[18:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:12] <shadeslayer> and I do believe that there's a high chance that some entries might not have been released
[18:12] <shadeslayer> so you'll have to be carefull with the sed
[18:12] <yofel> just limit sed to the first line
[18:12] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:13] <bulldog98> btw why do I get Permission denied (publickey) after running python kdesc-package-names 4.9.2
[18:13] <bulldog98> I mean I can ssh into that maschine
[18:14] <ScottK> probably wrong username then.
[18:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/NXOGi.jpg
[18:14] <debfx> of course the date in the changelog is wrong too ...
[18:14] <shadeslayer> lawl
[18:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: wannahave :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://theprofoundprogrammer.com/store
[18:15] <bulldog98> ScottK: it’s sftp
[18:15] <yofel> debfx: I personally am not particulary happy with the dch behaviour in quantal :(
[18:15] <ScottK> Still need the right username.
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: only 10 USD xD
[18:15] <shadeslayer> plus 5 USD shipping I guess
[18:16] <debfx> yofel: has it changed?
[18:16] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: runtime error is also good
[18:16] <debfx> updating the date before uploading a package seems useful to me
[18:16] <yofel> debfx: simple 'dch' does not edit the date, you need to run 'dch -r' to "finalize" an entry which will update the date
[18:16] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: my favorite one is http://i.imgur.com/NYKQ8.jpg
[18:17]  * yofel NEVER uses -r
[18:17] <bulldog98> hm ScottK how does debfx has to change that line subprocess.Popen(["sftp", "-b", "-", "ftpmaster.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/%s/%s/src/" % (stability, version)], stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
[18:17] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: good one
[18:17] <yofel> bulldog98: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster ?
[18:18] <yofel> or you'll need to set it in .ssh/config
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hah
[18:18] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: set your username in ~/.ssh/config
[18:18] <shadeslayer> something like : Host bazaar.launchpad.net
[18:18] <shadeslayer>     User rohangarg
[18:18] <debfx> ah yes I have all my usernames configured in the ssh config
[18:18] <ScottK> bulldog98: What they said.
[18:19] <bulldog98> debfx: please change that so nobody has to make configs^
[18:19] <bulldog98> ScottK: hm ok
[18:19] <shadeslayer> uh ... why?
[18:19] <debfx> sooo, anyone feels like syncing our branches with the archive? :)
[18:19] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm or at least document it :P
[18:20] <shadeslayer> debfx: grunt work :(
[18:20] <yofel> debfx: guess I could script something
[18:20] <ScottK> bulldog98: fix it in your .ssh/config.  It'll save you grief later.
[18:20] <bulldog98> ScottK: done
[18:20] <shadeslayer> or well ... something like pull-lp-source foobar; cp -aR foobar-4.9.1/debian foobar/
[18:21] <shadeslayer> bzr commit and bzr push :P
[18:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: I won't mind if you want to do it ;P
[18:22] <yofel> aand don't forget to tag
[18:22] <debfx> yeah except for packages where there are additional changes staged in the branch
[18:22] <shadeslayer> debfx: that's what I'm concerned about
[18:22] <yofel> -.-
[18:22] <yofel> true
[18:22] <shadeslayer> are there any changes staged?
[18:22] <debfx> I don't know
[18:22] <ScottK> You'll need to look at the diffs
[18:22] <shadeslayer> blergh
[18:23] <debfx> would be good to parse bzr status to make sure only the changelog is different
[18:24] <bulldog98> debfx: I have added a README for kubuntu-automation get it from lp:~bulldog98/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[18:24] <yofel> could we maybe just make kubuntu-automation be owned by kubuntu-packagers?
[18:24] <bulldog98> or that
[18:47] <bulldog98> debfx: you changed the arguments of ['pull-ninjas-source', '-d', 'analitza', 'quantal'] it should be the other way around
[18:49] <debfx> why is that?
[18:51] <debfx> ah, the version in kubuntu-dev-tools doesn't support -d yet?
[18:52] <bulldog98> sorry the -d is obsolete, cause it tells me: Usage: pull-ninjas-source <package name> <release name>
[18:52] <bulldog98> debfx: yep
[18:53] <debfx> bulldog98: ok, should be fixed now in dev-tools
[18:54] <bulldog98> hm also the tool complains if a path already exists like upload
[19:03] <tsimpson> yofel: -dbgsym isn't generated for PPAs
[19:05] <yofel> tsimpson: plasma-widget-menubar isn't in any of our PPA's
[19:06] <yofel> so unless he uses a widget from somewhere else, he uses the archive package
[19:06] <tsimpson> hmm, so you're right
[19:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: how many partitions have you tried to add for testing #1038522 ?
[19:18] <bulldog98> s/#/bug #/
[19:18] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "Riddell: how many partitions have you tried to add for testing bug #1038522 ?"
[19:55] <Riddell> bulldog98: not enough I guess
[19:55] <bulldog98> hm for me it crashes with around 10 partitions
[19:56] <Riddell> yeah that's about what the bug reports say
[20:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: maybe you should free about 10G and create there partitions o mass
[20:06] <bulldog98> :P
[20:29] <genii-around> I'm getting an odd thing with the task manager since yesterday. The left-most item on the tray will suddenly be overlaid onto the right-most item. The spot the left item used to occupy is blan but the same width as if it was still there. I was trying to get a screenshot but of course when I open ksnapshot for instance, they all rearrange on the bar again.
[20:36] <yofel> genii-around: I was getting that since like KDE 4.6 - I think there's even a bug for it somewhere. Today I use the icon only taskmanager
[20:39] <yofel> genii-around: kde bug 302905 at least, possibly others
[20:39] <genii-around> Ah,OK
[20:40] <yofel> genii-around: mine is kde bug 290598
[20:41] <genii-around> Guess I'll switch to the icon-only taskmanager too then. 
[21:34] <zahig> I've been having an issue with the netbook interface on Kubuntu 12.10.  Plasma Netbook crashes when I try to switch from Search and Launch to Page one.
[21:34] <zahig> Has anyone seen something similar?
[21:35] <shadeslayer> if you have a backtrace, please report it on bugs.kde.org
[21:35] <shadeslayer> if not, get one
[21:45] <zahig> I've failed to get a backtrace.  I'll try again to see if I can get it to fail with an error.
[21:47] <shadeslayer> you most likely need the debug symbols :)
[21:56] <zahig> Which packages do I need for the debug symbols?
[22:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[22:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: tired pong
[22:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You've got an NVidia card?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have another laptop that has one
[22:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: quantal on it?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> but not on my work machine
[22:21] <shadeslayer> nah, Windows 7
[22:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:21] <Quintasan> ...
[22:21] <Quintasan> christ
[22:21] <Quintasan> can't boot into x with nvidia driver
[22:21] <Quintasan> nouveau is known to be broken and I can't reinstall straight to quantal
[22:21] <Quintasan> !#!%@!
[22:22]  * Quintasan goes back to trying
[22:22] <shadeslayer> well .. uh ... dual graphics?
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: use Precise
[22:25] <shadeslayer> quantal and X is horrible shit for me as well
[22:25] <shadeslayer> precise is buttery smooth
[22:33]  * yofel has quantal + nvidia running just fine
[22:34] <yofel> Quintasan: what's broken in nouveau this time?
[22:34] <Quintasan> yofel: Dunno, refuses to go to lightdm
[22:34] <Quintasan> whines something about buffers
[22:34] <Quintasan> should work on my gfx card
[22:34] <Quintasan> but it doesnt
[22:34] <Quintasan> :P
[22:35] <yofel> great -.-
[22:35] <yofel> tried nomodeset?
[23:02] <zahig> My plasma netbook crash now reported to bugs.kde.org per shadeslayer's request. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307553