[01:09] <hdpb> I'm having an issue with lightdm (i think) and the live-usb version of betas 1+2 drawing backgrounds. Restarting lightdm via CTRL+ALT+F1 seems to fix the issue.
[01:12] <hdpb> I see a few bugs on lightdm failures, but no follow ups. Anyone experiencing similar?
[01:53] <XVampireX> Hi
[01:53] <XVampireX> How would I go about adding pidgin to messaging menu?
[01:53] <XVampireX> and smuxi
[01:55] <Daekdroom> I think someone is already working on porting Pidgin's plugin to the new messaging menu.
[01:55] <trism> XVampireX: yeah, bug 1040259
[01:56] <XVampireX> :D
[01:57] <XVampireX> so no solution for now
[01:58] <trism> XVampireX: for pidgin you can enable the status icon and whitelist it
[01:58] <trism> XVampireX: as a workaround for the moment
[01:58] <XVampireX> how do I whitelist it?
[01:59] <trism> XVampireX: add Pidgin to the list in com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist (with gsettings/dconf-editor)
[02:00] <XVampireX> the P is capital in there also?
[02:01] <trism> XVampireX: the p is capital in my settings but I don't know that it matters
[02:02] <XVampireX> now just to logout/login
[02:04] <XVampireX> that did it pretty much, for now
[02:04] <XVampireX> I like the new theme changes
[02:04] <XVampireX> Especially for some of the tab types
[02:50] <bjsnider> jbicha, getting constant tracker errors if i install gnome-documents
[03:19] <jbicha> I don't know, maybe tracker needs to do its indexing thing first or something
[03:43] <ryaxnb> wow
[03:43] <ryaxnb> fglrx fixed has already been applied
[03:57] <pdtpatrick> fglrx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable
[03:57] <pdtpatrick> Question - anyone run into this problem? http://pastie.org/4833371   … fglrx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable
[04:04] <ryaxnb> pdtpatrick, supposedly the latest fglrx patch fixes it
[04:05] <pdtpatrick> ryaxnb:  any link please ?
[04:05] <ryaxnb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/fglrx-installer/2:9.000-0ubuntu1
[04:05] <ryaxnb> it's failed to build on i386
[04:05] <ryaxnb> but built on amd64
[04:05] <ryaxnb> so... the i386 build is still buggy
[04:05] <myk_robinson> evening, all
[04:05] <ryaxnb> probably a matter of time before they build it for i386
[04:05] <ryaxnb> or you could use amd64 OS
[04:06] <ryaxnb> this is relevant fix
[04:06] <ryaxnb>     - Make it possible to set the xserver ABIs in debian/substvars.
[04:06] <ryaxnb> it was just patched in the latest revision
[04:06] <pdtpatrick> im using amd64
[04:06] <ryaxnb> make sure you've got versoin 2.9.000
[04:06] <ryaxnb> apt-get update and stuff
[04:07] <ryaxnb> the 2.8.x version was current as of 12 hours ago, and is out fo dated
[04:07] <pdtpatrick> Okay - going to try now
[04:08] <bjsnider> or just don't use it
[04:09] <ryaxnb> it supports 5xxx cards and later
[04:09] <ryaxnb> on the 7xxx series, the current radeon driver is not very usable
[04:09] <bjsnider> no?
[04:09] <ryaxnb> it will be later
[04:09] <bjsnider> i'm not sure fglrx is very usable either
[04:10] <ryaxnb> but right now the radeon driver works well on 6xxx or earlier
[04:10] <bjsnider> very well, from what i understand
[04:10] <bjsnider> better for everyday use than fglrx
[04:10] <bjsnider> and it's not even close
[04:11] <ryaxnb> yep, but 7xxx not so much
[04:11] <ryaxnb> of course, this tends to change with each release
[04:11] <ryaxnb> the radeon driver adds support for each new ATI card incrementaly
[04:18] <pdtpatrick> ryaxnb:  http://pastie.org/4833451
[04:19] <ryaxnb> pdtpatrick, you're using hte installer package?
[04:19] <ryaxnb> not compiling yourselfs?
[04:19] <ryaxnb> namely fglrx-installer
[04:19] <pdtpatrick> yup
[04:19] <ryaxnb> hmm
[04:19] <myk_robinson> just installed Beta 2, using default options. I normally manually partition my drive, but i let this one do everything as if i didnt know what i was doing. Any caveats to an "all-in-one" partition?
[04:19] <ryaxnb> dunno
[04:25] <ryaxnb> what card ytou have
[04:34] <ryaxnb> if you have a pre-5000 card fglrx doesn't work in quantal
[04:34] <ryaxnb> and the fix is to use xorg-ati driver
[04:35] <ryaxnb> if that driver doesn't work you are officially outta luck
[04:35] <ryaxnb> as AMD has decided the open source driver is reliable enough there's no need for fglrx for those older cards
[04:36] <ryaxnb> those are also the cards with the most reliable xorg support
[04:36] <ryaxnb> currently the 7xxx series has no 3d support at all
[04:36] <ryaxnb> which should be fixed at some point
[05:06] <juzerali> i am experiencing login problems with 12.10
[06:30] <konqui> Hi, Kubuntu 12.10 user here. Those using Ubuntu  12.10 how does it perform compared to 12.04 on less than stellar hardware e.g 1.6Ghz Intel GMA 950?
[06:50] <lapion> anyone know where I can find more information regarding the delay of the beta 2 release for x86 and amd64 platforms ?
[06:54] <konqui> lapion: It was delayed? I am using the install media here
[07:15] <lapion> I can only find non intel dists on http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/12.10/beta-2/
[07:15] <lapion> konqui,
[07:16] <tsimpson> lapion: look at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ not cdimage
[07:17] <konqui> lapion: I'm using the Kubuntu media so maybe it has problems.
[07:17] <konqui> lapion: But http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/238/builds shows the ubuntu build as ready
[07:17] <tsimpson> kubuntu is on cdimage, but ubuntu is on releases
[07:18] <konqui> lapion: I think you want release.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <lapion> yes
[07:18] <lapion> correct releases it is..
[07:18] <konqui> lapion: Or you can use the iso.qa.ubuntu.com link
[07:19] <lapion> konqui, I am only installing it on a scratch system.
[07:20] <lapion> beta 2 is the same as september 26th release
[07:22] <lapion> and I was delaying the install of september 26th edition due to the impending beta
[07:28] <lapion> Sometimes when the system wakes up from a "Suspend" it returns with a black screen.
[07:48] <lapion> tsimpson, the disc has a minor mistake.
[07:49] <tsimpson> lapion: what's that then?
[07:51] <lapion> tsimpson, look in .disk/info
[07:52] <lapion> it says Alpha i386 (20120905.2)
[07:58] <lapion> tsimpson, and I have verified against checksums.....
[08:18] <tsimpson> lapion: I see Ubuntu 12.10 "Quantal Quetzal" - Beta i386 (20120926)
[08:46] <NimeshNeema> what is the release date for 12.10 final ?
[08:51] <tsimpson> !schedule | NimeshNeema
[08:51] <NimeshNeema> thanks tsimpson
[08:52] <lapion> tsimpson, problem was related to user rigts issues .. and local..
[09:18] <kram_> hello, i am trying to upgrade to 12.10 with starting update-manager by "update-manager -d" unfortunately update-manager wont show me a new version available
[09:24] <mvo> kram_: you probably need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ( or use software-properties) and switch from lts->normal
[09:28] <kram_> indeed u are right
[09:28] <kram_> weird thing is, ubuntu changed that by itself after upgrading to 12.04
[09:32] <kram_> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[09:32] <kram_> The package 'unity' is marked for removal but it is in the  removal blacklist.
[09:32] <kram_> not possible atm it seems
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:09] <Captain_Proton> does anyone else have a problem with the message notifier crash/disappear  on login.
[12:11] <myk_robinson> morning...
[12:12] <Captain_Proton> morning :)
[12:12] <myk_robinson> I installed a few of the wallpaper packs, but they don't show up in the wallpaper chooser, not can I find the location of the wallpapers.. Am I missing something obvious?
[12:13] <Captain_Proton> myk_robinson, you can add them. by click the plus in the wallpaper then adding them
[12:13] <myk_robinson> that's the weird part, I cant seem to locate them.  I installed the Ubuntu Studio Wallpaper package and a couple others.
[12:14] <Captain_Proton> myk_robinson, check /usr/share/background
[12:14] <myk_robinson> Think i just located the Ubuntu Studio wallpapers in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops    WHo would have thought to look there....
[12:14] <Captain_Proton> myk_robinson, lol
[12:15] <Captain_Proton> hey you have a problem with the message notifier crash/disappear  on login
[12:15] <myk_robinson> it'd be nice if one installs a wallpaper pack from the Ubuntu Software Center, that the newly installed wallpapers would automatically show up as choices in the desktop preferences dialog. No new user (or seasoned, for that matter) would ever think to dig around like that looking for pictures... At least with Synaptic instead of the software center, it tells the location of files installed
[12:15] <myk_robinson> negative on the crash
[12:16] <myk_robinson> I have had a couple with Nautilus that i filed bug reports on last night, but I chose to ignore future crashes. it may be the same one you're having
[12:16] <Captain_Proton> do you know what the package name per chance
[12:17] <Daekdroom> myk_robinson, Ubuntu Studio uses xfce4, which I think has a different location for wallpapers by default.
[12:18] <myk_robinson> Captain_Proton: in that instance, it was actually nautilus. I had a few crash notifications on Ubuntu Software Center this morning as well.
[12:19] <myk_robinson> Daekdroom: I found the papers, thank you. Think I'll just get something nice from deviantart and add it the old fashioned way. not sure why I even care, its not like I actually look at the desktop that often
[12:19] <Captain_Proton> myk_robinson, sorry I meant the package name for the message notifier thing
[12:19] <myk_robinson> ahhh. Negative
[12:19] <myk_robinson> you mean the crash notification?
[12:20] <myk_robinson> I think its "apport" if thats what you mean
[12:20] <Captain_Proton> I wanted to see if I can start it in the term and see why it crashing
[12:20] <myk_robinson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[12:25] <myk_robinson> This version of Empathy seems a bit flaky :( Guess I see why my kid uses X-chat. Ugly, but stable
[12:27] <Captain_Proton> yours have a problem staying connect to google?
[12:27] <myk_robinson> i'm just using it for IRC, at the moment.
[12:27] <myk_robinson> The main window says I'm offline, but I obviously am not
[12:27] <myk_robinson> My alias will not stick either
[12:28] <myk_robinson> I always liekd Pidgin, not sure why they ditched it as a default. Could always install it, i suppose. Just trying things out without customizing to see whta the "default" experience is like
[12:29] <myk_robinson> first thing that bothered me about the "default" experience is the single partition..
[12:29] <myk_robinson> But thanks to LVM, I was able to resize everything (from a live cd) without having to reinstall/reformat
[12:30] <myk_robinson> Granted a new user would likely not know or care about old school partitioning schemes
[12:30] <myk_robinson> Always like to have a /home partition
[12:30] <myk_robinson> Captain_Proton: you mentioned Google. Does this work with G+ yet?
[12:31] <Captain_Proton> If I remember right the main programmer for Pidgin left the project and said it is a dead.
[12:31] <Captain_Proton> gtalk does and g+ work in gwibber
[12:32] <myk_robinson> You on G+, I assume?
[12:32] <Captain_Proton> yup
[12:32] <myk_robinson> Always looking to expand my circle, look me up.. Just take away the underscore and you'll find me
[12:32] <Captain_Proton> I find facebook so boring
[12:32] <myk_robinson> I'll be the little brown man with the guitar in hand
[12:32] <Captain_Proton> k
[12:33] <Captain_Proton> myk_robinson, jcook.linux
[12:34] <myk_robinson> i agree about Fbook. Too much drama... Really like the hangouts on G+
[12:34] <myk_robinson> i also like the fact that I can have discussions with people of opposing viewpoints without it turning into a bloodbath
[12:36] <myk_robinson> looks like i may very well be the ONLY myk robinson on G+
[12:38] <Captain_Proton> If you are not follow this guy Albert Martin he post some really good stuff if you are in to world news and corporate greed storys
[12:39] <myk_robinson> Looks like good stuff. I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist for the sake of entertainment
[12:40] <Captain_Proton> hehe me too
[12:40] <Captain_Proton> anyone know how to reset unity in this new release?
[12:40] <Captain_Proton> unity --reset does not work anymore
[12:41] <myk_robinson> are you doing it as your normal user account, or with sudo?
[12:41] <Daekdroom> Captain_Proton, system settings panel > Appearance > Behaviour tab > Restore default behaviour
[12:41] <myk_robinson> even better
[12:41] <Daekdroom> myk_robinson, that command never needed sudo
[12:41] <Daekdroom> It was deprecated in Unity 6.6
[12:41] <myk_robinson> right, thats what i was checking for
[12:42] <Captain_Proton> Daekdroom, thx
[12:42] <myk_robinson> Honestly, i guess I don't see a lot of difference between 12.04 and 12.10
[12:43] <myk_robinson> Just with all the hype at webupd8 and omgubuntu, i was expecting more
[12:43] <myk_robinson> Not bad, mind you
[12:43] <myk_robinson> I'm definitely not liking the speed of the widow minimize.. Guess the only way to "fix" that is with CCSM?
[12:48] <Captain_Proton> well let me log out and back in see if I fixed it
[13:01] <Captain_Proton> Well I found my problem. Faenza icon theme, I guess they have not updated it to include the message icons.
[13:16] <google_360_baidu> 啊啊
[13:16] <google_360_baidu> 啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊
[14:57] <anant> Does quantal run inside VirtualBox? For me, Compiz crashes every time on bootup.
[15:00] <Captain_Proton> anant, did you enable 3d on the guest
[15:02] <anant> Captain_Proton: How do I do that? I installed guest additions though.
[15:03] <anant> Captain_Proton: ah sorry ... found out how to do that ... will do now .. thx
[15:23] <kroson> Hello, is anybody able to use the new fglrx from the repositories in ubuntu 12.10?
[15:25] <kroson> And is it possible to disable compiz in ubuntu 12.10?
[15:25] <kroson> unity
[15:28] <anant> Captain_Proton: Same problem :(
[15:29] <Captain_Proton> anant, hmm are you running it with windows
[15:30] <anant> from precise
[15:31] <Captain_Proton> anant, do you have a the latest VirtualBox?
[15:31] <kroson> Captain_Proton anant does any of you know if i can disable compiz in the new ubuntu?
[15:33] <Captain_Proton> kroson, Unity is made using compiz if you remove/disable compiz you remove/disable unity
[15:34] <anant> Captain_Proton: v4.1.12 .. the latest released on sep 13 is v4.22 .. so you suggest I upgrade it?
[15:34] <anant> v4.1.22 that is
[15:35] <Captain_Proton> anant, yes they added alot of display stuff
[15:36] <anant> Captain_Proton: Okay, I'll try that.
[15:39] <kroson> Captain_Proton: can the new shopping lens be disabled?
[15:44] <bazhang> kroson, removed completely
[15:44] <bazhang> !adlens | kroson
[15:48] <kroson> bazhang: is ubuntu 12.10 already stable?
[15:49] <bazhang> kroson, no
[15:59] <anant> Is it possible to have a "wine scope" for the applications lens? This will expose many .exe programs I sometimes use.
[16:03] <kroson> is ubuntu having new icons for 12.10 release?
[16:06] <Daekdroom> kroson, nope
[16:06] <kroson> Daekdroom: so the current design is the final one?
[16:07] <Daekdroom> We're way past UI Freeze. Exceptions could happen, but I don't think a new icon theme is possible at this moment (specially because I haven't read anything about one being worked on).
[17:01] <Gycklarn> So this is where the cool kids hang out
[17:03] <Daekdroom> Nope, that is #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:05] <Gycklarn> Then consider me Miles Davis.
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> that makes me kinda blue
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBpLKm8vw4M
[17:07] <bazhang> !ot
[17:09] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[17:23] <varikonniemi> isn't the topic out of date?
[17:24] <varikonniemi> should read beta2
[17:31] <penguin42> varikonniemi: you are right, nowe you just need to find someone who is awake who can change it
[21:05] <MadEchidna> so is unity a laggy mess in both betas or is it just me >_>
[21:05] <MadEchidna> just did a fresh install and five minutes after logging in, everything slowed to a barely usable crawl
[21:06] <Gycklarn> While it's far from flawless, I haven't had the same issue, MadEchidna
[21:06] <MadEchidna> I wish I had at least some idea what to do for troubleshooting
[21:09] <Gycklarn> If all else fails, install cinnamon 8]
[21:09] <MadEchidna> I had the same issue on beta one, both clean installs
[21:09] <MadEchidna> I just don't get it
[21:09] <MadEchidna> it's not like I have obscure hardware
[21:10]  * MadEchidna ** WinSys ** Client: HexChat 2.9.1 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium  ** CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       Q 740  @ 1.73GHz (1.00 GHz) ** RAM: 6068 MB Total (3309 MB Free) ** VGA: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series ** Uptime: 0.33 Hours **
[21:13] <IdleOne> MadEchidna: Did you get the graphics driver installed?
[21:13] <MadEchidna> no, do you know of a way to get a driver for my card that works with 12.10?
[21:13] <MadEchidna> I looked in to it a couple days ago and all I could find was the embedded linux version of catalyst
[21:13] <MadEchidna> and that doesn't support hardly anytyhing
[21:14] <Gycklarn> IdleOne, You're the one I always almost send my IdleRPG credentials to!
[21:14] <IdleOne> Well that is surely going to affect performance. Sorry i don't know how to help you with that though.
[21:14] <MadEchidna> the open source driver works fine for the first few minutes
[21:14] <MadEchidna> the window animations were fluid and all that
[21:14] <IdleOne> Gycklarn: if you knew how many passwords I get lol. Good thing I am an honest person and don't abuse it.
[21:29] <Daekdroom> MadEchidna, IdleOne Today I noticed that I'm being offered to install the Catalyst driver for my HD5450, so I suppose we have an updated fglrx for non-embedded cards too
[21:30] <MadEchidna> oh
[21:30] <MadEchidna> I didn't run beta two more than a few minutes
[21:30] <MadEchidna> I'll see if I can get it to show up when I get home
[21:34] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/2:9.000-0ubuntu2 apparently it failed to build in i386...
[22:28] <penguin42> Unity+llvmpipe in a vm is starting to be reasonably responsive, still flaky as hell though
[22:59] <myk_robinson> evening
[23:01] <varikonniemi> i have still serious problem with ubuntu beta2. When it boots from usb it goes all corrupted just before login sound
[23:01] <varikonniemi> black and white bars with rgb pixels lit at random
[23:02] <penguin42> I'd guess a graphics driver problem - what graphics card?
[23:02] <varikonniemi> gf8800
[23:02] <varikonniemi> it is running 12.04 ATM, never had this before. HAve had the corruption thing though, but it usually just flicker for a split second
[23:03]  * penguin42 doesn't know the nivida stuff much, I don't know does the live cd have the nivida closed driver on or the open one?
[23:03] <varikonniemi> i bet its nouveau-?=
[23:04] <penguin42> yeh, that would be my guess, can you file a bug
[23:04] <varikonniemi> i was hoping for this to be fixed with the new kernel in beta2 but no
[23:05] <varikonniemi> if someone can help me through how i gather the info
[23:05] <varikonniemi> i can get to the terminal by ctrl alt 1
[23:05] <varikonniemi> startx brigns me a desktop
[23:06] <penguin42> I think if you can get a desktop then run ubuntu-bug xorg
[23:06] <varikonniemi> from terminal?
[23:06] <penguin42> yes, it's easier if you can do it in a terminal in a desktop, then it will give you a web browser to enter details
[23:07] <varikonniemi> but i cannot interact with the desktop, it has not unity
[23:07] <varikonniemi> so i cannot launch things
[23:08] <varikonniemi> tried stuff like tartx; unity but i cannot get both running at same time :/
[23:08] <penguin42> ok, hang on there is a bug thing somewhere for reporting testing of images - let me try and find it (jump in anyone who knows)
[23:10] <varikonniemi> hmm, could i try gdm instead of startx ?
[23:10] <penguin42> varikonniemi: Maybe
[23:10] <penguin42> varikonniemi: OK, so the easiest way if you can get a console is to do   ubuntu-bug  xorg    and it'll give you a URL, if you open the URL on another machine you can fill the details in
[23:11] <varikonniemi> uh-ok
[23:11] <varikonniemi> i shall ry
[23:22] <frybye> Hi - when trying to install adobe reader or google earth from deb's I get a fault report that the installation packet is of poor quality and so no install - what now? (Bug has been reported - nothing come of it so far.)
[23:24] <penguin42> hmm never seen that before - what bug number?
[23:24] <frybye> hang on...
[23:25] <penguin42> when you say 'poor quality' is that the word it uses or is that a translation?
[23:27] <frybye> #1044141
[23:28] <frybye> I hope this is right.. I don't understand all this too well... the tlx is "schlechter qualität"
[23:28] <penguin42> bug 1044141
[23:28] <penguin42> brb
[23:28] <frybye> tks
[23:29] <varikonniemi> penguin42, ubuntu-bug does not give a web page
[23:29] <varikonniemi> it gives a raport you can view, send, save, etc
[23:29] <varikonniemi> but i cannot send it as it does not detect internet
[23:32] <penguin42> frybye: let me have a look
[23:32] <penguin42> varikonniemi: Ah, if you can't connect, then hmm there's not much you can do
[23:34] <penguin42> frybye: Are you sure that bug number is correct?
[23:35] <penguin42> frybye: Does it work if you try installing it with    dpkg -i   on the command line?
[23:46] <frybye> well that seems to be the bug it connected to via the automated bug report system - not too sure though...
[23:46] <frybye> do I just need to use dpkg -1 <packagename?>
[23:47] <frybye> sorry dpkg -i
[23:48] <penguin42> frybye: Do you have a downloaded .deb file or is this where you're just selecting it in software centre?
[23:48] <frybye> download deb - not in softw.c
[23:48] <penguin42> frybye: OK, so yeh just try   sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[23:49] <penguin42> frybye: That 1044141 looks like a software centre bug and thus seems different
[23:50] <frybye>  yes but when double- clicking on the deb package it starts software center to install it - just trying with dpkg -i now..
[23:50] <penguin42> ah ok
[23:51] <frybye> it says that it is replacing adobereader-deu 9.4.2. with AdbeRd9.4.2-1 .. seems to have worked no fault report - will check...
[23:52] <penguin42> frybye: If it is that bug then it sounds like the bug is to do with accented/top bit set characters
[23:52] <frybye> great - that did it - will try the same method with google earth.. the problem really does seem to be just in the software center...
[23:52] <frybye> sorry - that is above me...
[23:52] <frybye> but like I said - the problem seems to be solved/worked around with the command line method..
[23:53] <penguin42> frybye: OK good, yes dpkg is the thing that software centre uses to actually install packages (and has been around for much longer)
[23:53] <frybye> adobe reader is important to me cos it is needed to use drm protected media content at our local library interface...
[23:54] <frybye> yeah - I am a war veteran with damaged memory.. so I often have to learn stuff agaian and again - thanks anyhows.. great
[23:54] <penguin42> frybye: no problem
[23:54] <frybye> bye for now...