| pitti | Good morning | 03:49 |
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| TheMuso | ~/c -all | 04:44 |
| RAOF | Wow. The archive's pretty unstable after B2 release. | 04:51 |
| TheMuso | I guess thats one drawback of everything being held in the queue... You don't see any breakage for a few days, and then it all hits... | 04:54 |
| pitti | but still http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html shouldn't look like this | 04:55 |
| pitti | the plan is to eventually redirect _all_ uploads to -proposed, let them build on all arches, and only auto-migrate them to -release once everything is built and installable | 04:55 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 04:56 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:15 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks! | 05:59 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti! | 06:02 |
| jibel | good morning | 06:45 |
| bryceh | Sawubona | 06:51 |
| didrocks | seems already EOD for jibel :) | 06:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: mais oui -- c'est vendredi! | 07:06 |
| didrocks | pitti: héhé, vive le week-end! (bientôt ;)) | 07:06 |
| Laney | hey | 08:02 |
| Laney | happy friday! | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey Laney :) | 08:02 |
| didrocks | happy friday! | 08:02 |
| didrocks | Laney: just rejected PS ubuntu-font-family change FYI. See https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-font-family-sources/manual_fix_ubuntu_M/+merge/126647 | 08:03 |
| Laney | didrocks: hmm, don't we need the Qt change too? | 08:03 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu2 this one | 08:04 |
| didrocks | Laney: seb is just telling me that | 08:04 |
| didrocks | but it seems PS didn't test Qt apps first (see the comments) | 08:04 |
| didrocks | weird, I've upgraded this morning | 08:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you use proposed? | 08:05 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks, Laney | 08:05 |
| Laney | moin | 08:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: still in -proposed, devs are not supposed to use it :) | 08:05 |
| * didrocks cherry-pick it from -proposed | 08:05 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, right, post beta2 churns | 08:05 |
| didrocks | I would have thought all -proposed would be copide | 08:05 |
| didrocks | copied* | 08:05 |
| seb128 | it was only accepted in proposed yesterday evening | 08:05 |
| seb128 | did it even build on slow arches yet? | 08:06 |
| didrocks | ah maybe | 08:06 |
| Laney | I don't know though, because https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-font-family-sources/manual_fix_ubuntu_M/+merge/126647/comments/273105 refers to that proposed upload | 08:06 |
| seb128 | no | 08:06 |
| Laney | and calls the font fix a workaround?! | 08:06 |
| seb128 | it's still building on arm* | 08:06 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, I don't understand :) | 08:06 |
| didrocks | Laney: proposing a fix and then rejecting himself :) | 08:06 |
| Laney | maybe it refers to the /proper/ fix in Qt | 08:06 |
| didrocks | and not testing on Qt where it's asked to do it | 08:06 |
| Laney | which is an API,ABI break | 08:06 |
| Laney | weird | 08:06 |
| didrocks | Laney: I'll try both | 08:06 |
| didrocks | new Qt with patched font packaged | 08:07 |
| didrocks | and then new Qt only | 08:07 |
| Laney | I wouldn't be too upset if that ended up being an R thing | 08:07 |
| seb128 | bryceh, "-1" ... can I get a --verbose? | 08:07 |
| seb128 | bryceh, or did you typo "+1"? ;-) | 08:07 |
| didrocks | Laney: seb128: vlc is still bold on my system | 08:07 |
| didrocks | even with the patched font and patched Qt | 08:08 |
| seb128 | :-( | 08:08 |
| didrocks | oh dist-upgrade hold a Qt package | 08:08 |
| didrocks | let's try getting this one :) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | (upgrade gave a bunch of Qt packages, but one) | 08:08 |
| didrocks | ah better \o/ | 08:09 |
| didrocks | let me try to downgrade the font now to quantal version | 08:09 |
| Laney | maybe confirm with sladen | 08:09 |
| didrocks | ok, so no difference with old and new font package | 08:10 |
| didrocks | so we can put it in | 08:10 |
| didrocks | get medium font size | 08:10 |
| didrocks | but I would put it into -proposed so that it's copied at the same time than qt | 08:10 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/webkit/+build/3858769 :( | 08:10 |
| bryceh | seb128, no typo. -1 to eliminating fallback. | 08:11 |
| seb128 | bryceh, oh, that's not the suggestion, I'm just saying that the code we build over is going away, no our choice and nothing we can do about it | 08:11 |
| bryceh | seb128, regardless, -1 to that. | 08:12 |
| seb128 | bryceh, GNOME consider it legacy code and want to drop it to focus on gnome-shell | 08:12 |
| seb128 | bryceh, ok, fair enough, we can discuss it at UDS, if you have better suggestions on what we should do with e.g the keyboard indicator if the code we patch goes away | 08:12 |
| bryceh | seb128, understood. And fair enough; their choice. But I will consider it a Bad Idea. | 08:13 |
| seb128 | well, it's just that we have to deal with it, if the code is going away either we loose the function or we figure the best way to bring it back | 08:13 |
| bryceh | seb128, yep. f*ck*ng gnome. | 08:14 |
| bryceh | seb128, btw s/loose/lose/. | 08:15 |
| seb128 | bryceh, thanks ;-) | 08:15 |
| bryceh | I suppose no one will actually care until we get to 14.04. | 08:16 |
| mlankhorst | ricotz: why is cairo in xorg-edgers? | 08:25 |
| ricotz | mlankhorst, is is pretty much rendering related like pixman and fits in there | 08:31 |
| mlankhorst | ricotz: oh was wondering since it might be useful to backport in that case | 08:32 |
| seb128 | I'm out for some hours, will we back in the afternoon | 08:32 |
| ricotz | mlankhorst, then you should consider cairo and pixman | 08:32 |
| bryceh | seb128, *waves* | 08:33 |
| bryceh | mlankhorst, there is a small bit of cairo that sometimes overlaps with X and ends up being a dependency for the X stack. I'm guessing that's to blame here. | 08:34 |
| bryceh | this = the 2d cairo vector drawing "driver" that's contained in cairo | 08:34 |
| ricotz | weston in its earlier stage was a reason to have it too (not really anymore since cairo-gl isnt mandatory anymore) | 08:35 |
| * ricotz wonders if cairo master is getting in a snapshot state already | 08:37 | |
| ricotz | snapshot *worth* state | 08:37 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:52 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson! how are you? | 08:53 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, not too bad thanks, although i'm getting a cold now | 08:53 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 08:53 |
| didrocks | a little bit better, still coughing, but at least, I can start to be hopeful to be in shape next week :) | 08:54 |
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| tjaalton | didrocks: hum, looks like there was a clash with the xterm m-a foreign bug | 11:10 |
| tjaalton | we'll see which uploads end up in the archive | 11:10 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: ah? ok, yeah, let's see :) | 11:10 |
| tjaalton | I assigned it to myself 4min before your comment :) | 11:11 |
| Laney | the one without the random whitespace change :-) | 11:11 |
| tjaalton | I pushed it to git too | 11:12 |
| tjaalton | both debian & ubuntu | 11:12 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: ah excellent! | 11:12 |
| mlankhorst | bryceh: ah good to know :) (missed it earlier) | 11:12 |
| tjaalton | so it's there in any case | 11:12 |
| Laney | dunno which one I just accepted | 11:12 |
| Laney | guess you'll get mail :P | 11:12 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: that's the important one :) | 11:12 |
| tjaalton | I lost :/ :) | 11:13 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 11:13 |
| * didrocks hugs tjaalton | 11:13 | |
| tjaalton | hehe | 11:13 |
| didrocks | /msg Laney: I'll pay you back at UDS, as we talked about :) | 11:13 |
| didrocks | oups ;) | 11:13 |
| Laney | the secret's out | 11:14 |
| * Laney screams and runs away | 11:14 | |
| didrocks | zomg! | 11:14 |
| didrocks | :) | 11:14 |
| tjaalton | :) | 11:14 |
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| didrocks | pitti: \o/ | 12:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: BBT? already watched it? | 12:59 |
| pitti | I just did over lunch | 13:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: not yet ;) | 13:00 |
| didrocks | but I know what I'll do this evening :) | 13:00 |
| * pitti hugs didrocks | 13:00 | |
| * didrocks hugs pitti back | 13:00 | |
| Trevinho | desrt: hey, found anything about the gsettings trouble on saving too many things on startup (breaking some migration scripts)? | 13:10 |
| desrt | Trevinho: i think the problem was gnome-session lacking ordering, no? | 13:11 |
| desrt | ie: migration should be moved to before gnome-session | 13:11 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: ^ | 13:11 |
| didrocks | desrt: well, not really possible as we need the env? | 13:12 |
| desrt | what env? | 13:12 |
| didrocks | desrt: gnome-session launch the migration script sync | 13:12 |
| didrocks | what is the issue with it? | 13:12 |
| desrt | didrocks: someone (ted?) discovered that that doesn't really work | 13:13 |
| desrt | that there is no 'wait until this is done' | 13:13 |
| desrt | and it actually ends up running everything at once | 13:13 |
| desrt | you should put migration in /etc/x11/xsession.d/ or whatever | 13:13 |
| didrocks | desrt: interesting | 13:14 |
| didrocks | it's a synced called though, let's see what tedg can come up with :) | 13:14 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: anyway, too late for Q | 13:15 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: ok.. | 13:23 |
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| seb128 | back | 14:02 |
| ogra_ | front | 14:03 |
| seb128 | right | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | left | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | :) | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | forward | 14:06 |
| mdeslaur | you desktop folks are weird :P | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | mdeslaur, why yes... yes we are | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 14:08 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, come on, it's friday, it has been a long week! | 14:14 |
| mdeslaur | :) | 14:15 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey | 14:29 |
| desrt | seb128: hey | 14:29 |
| seb128 | desrt, sudo apt-get install libpam-xdg-support | 14:29 |
| desrt | ooo | 14:29 |
| seb128 | desrt, should give you XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | 14:29 |
| seb128 | if you want to test | 14:29 |
| desrt | that's some welcome good news :) | 14:29 |
| desrt | vorlon to thank, i suppose? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | desrt, and FFE got granted to have it installed by default | 14:30 |
| seb128 | desrt, yes | 14:30 |
| desrt | good man :) | 14:30 |
| desrt | i'll have to beerify him at UDS | 14:30 |
| desrt | lemme logout/in to see if it's working | 14:30 |
| desrt | desrt@moonpix:~$ echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | 14:32 |
| desrt | /run/user/desrt | 14:32 |
| desrt | oldschool | 14:33 |
| seb128 | desrt, what are the new cool kids doing? ;-) | 14:34 |
| desrt | /run/user/1000/ | 14:34 |
| seb128 | open a bug I guess ;-) | 14:34 |
| desrt | it really doesn't matter | 14:34 |
| desrt | the spec leaves the name/location of the directory as a choice of the implementation | 14:34 |
| seb128 | so it works, but breaks in a guest session | 14:35 |
| desrt | why? | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I guess the apparmor profile needs updating to give access to the /run/user/$user | 14:35 |
| seb128 | dconf-editor complains about permissions | 14:35 |
| desrt | fucking apparmor.... | 14:35 |
| * desrt mumble mumble | 14:35 | |
| seb128 | hehe | 14:35 |
| desrt | first thing i uninstall | 14:36 |
| desrt | followed shortly by apport :) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | let's not restart that discussion today ;-) | 14:36 |
| seb128 | I know it's friday but still :p | 14:36 |
| desrt | that discussion was actually really productive last time, i think | 14:36 |
| desrt | and we continued it a bit at plumbers | 14:36 |
| seb128 | it seemed to be, I admit I didn't read the whole backlog though | 14:36 |
| seb128 | great ;-) | 14:36 |
| desrt | anyway | 14:37 |
| desrt | please let me know if you're seeing anymore SIGBUS from dconf on ecryptfs | 14:37 |
| desrt | assuming the new package is installed | 14:37 |
| desrt | is there any way we get that information from apport bugs? | 14:37 |
| desrt | i guess we would see the environment of the running process? | 14:38 |
| desrt | i _think_ there is still a situation where that bug can come up | 14:38 |
| desrt | but it should be a really really thin race now -- and i already have a plan for fixing it | 14:39 |
| seb128 | desrt, we don't have the full environment, apport only collect some selection variables I think | 14:39 |
| desrt | seb128: any way we can get XDG_RUNTIME_DIR onto that list? | 14:39 |
| seb128 | will let you know if it keeps being an issue | 14:39 |
| seb128 | desrt, poke pitti I guess ;-) | 14:39 |
| desrt | pitti: poke :) | 14:39 |
| seb128 | I mean open a bug on apport :p | 14:39 |
| seb128 | (I guess pitti tell you to do that) | 14:39 |
| desrt | hm | 14:39 |
| desrt | pitti just made a very nice blogpost | 14:40 |
| pitti | back from meeting, what's up/ | 14:40 |
| pitti | ? | 14:40 |
| pitti | hey desrt | 14:40 |
| seb128 | desrt, dbusmock you mean? | 14:41 |
| desrt | pitti: hey. can we get XDG_RUNTIME_DIRS on the list of envvars that apport puts in reports? | 14:41 |
| desrt | seb128: ya. looks nice :) | 14:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, keep the good work, loving to read your progresses in testing land ;-) | 14:41 |
| pitti | desrt: we need to be a bit careful about not exposing potentially private stuff there | 14:41 |
| pitti | seb128: :) | 14:41 |
| desrt | pitti: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is the name of a directory in /run | 14:41 |
| pitti | desrt: but I guess XDG_RUNTIME_DIRS should be okay | 14:41 |
| desrt | the only potential privacy leak is their username :) | 14:42 |
| pitti | desrt: stuff like user names, project names, etc. | 14:42 |
| desrt | username is seriously a problem? | 14:42 |
| pitti | right, but we coudl ask the anonymizer to change it | 14:42 |
| desrt | well | 14:42 |
| pitti | yes, I had people complain about it loudly | 14:42 |
| desrt | i'm mostly interested in knowing if it is set or not | 14:42 |
| pitti | desrt: but do you really need to know the actual value? | 14:42 |
| pitti | right, that's what I figured | 14:42 |
| pitti | a simple "is set or not" has no privacy problems at all, and is easy to do | 14:42 |
| desrt | do you need a bug? | 14:43 |
| pitti | if you want one to track it | 14:43 |
| desrt | i don't really care | 14:43 |
| desrt | i will only care the next time we see a new report of dconf SIGBUS issues | 14:43 |
| desrt | and i want to know if it 'should' have been fixed yet or not | 14:43 |
| desrt | seb128: btw... about all those bugs before... anything that's having a SIGBUS on accessing anything about 'shm' is now officially fixed | 14:44 |
| pitti | desrt: so is it _DIR or _DIRS? | 14:44 |
| desrt | pitti: _DIR | 14:44 |
| desrt | echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR -> /run/user/desrt | 14:44 |
| desrt | seb128: the shm part is the one that is now in the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | 14:45 |
| desrt | interesting to note that already gnome-keyring and gvfs have put files there as well... | 14:45 |
| pitti | desrt: testing http://paste.ubuntu.com/1247632/ now | 14:45 |
| desrt | pitti: would be great to know as well if it is unset | 14:46 |
| pitti | then the line wouldn't be there | 14:46 |
| desrt | ie: tell the difference of "it is not set" and "apport is too old" | 14:46 |
| seb128 | desrt, ok | 14:46 |
| pitti | desrt: you could tell from the ApportVersion: field | 14:46 |
| desrt | pitti: perfect | 14:46 |
| pitti | desrt: committed to trunk | 14:49 |
| desrt | pitti: great. i guess it will see a release by Q? | 14:49 |
| pitti | c'est ça, bon week-end tout le monde! | 14:49 |
| pitti | desrt: oui, Monsieur | 14:49 |
| desrt | pitti: bonan semajnfino | 14:50 |
| desrt | +n | 14:50 |
| pitti | c'est l'heure de tennis de table et pour du glace! | 14:51 |
| desrt | glace! | 14:51 |
| pitti | yeah, enjoying the last sun rays :) | 14:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, bon weekend ! | 14:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, bonne partie et bonne glace ;-) | 14:52 |
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| seb128 | Laney, hey | 15:55 |
| Laney | ho | 15:55 |
| seb128 | Laney, if you want to do the backport and now what to do feel free to go for it | 15:55 |
| seb128 | but if you prefer me to have a look that's fine | 15:55 |
| Laney | well I don't know what to do, but I see the MP | 15:55 |
| Laney | if it's more than taking that as a distro patch ... | 15:55 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, it's basically backporting that revision, the packaging changes are already in lp:ubuntu/unity-lens-shopping | 15:58 |
| seb128 | Laney, you can do it? | 15:58 |
| Laney | sure | 15:58 |
| seb128 | Laney, mhr3 says you need r21 if you want it to apply cleanly, we can probably backport both | 16:00 |
| seb128 | the other one was a FFe as well so would be good to have it landing,tested as well | 16:00 |
| Laney | seb128: isn't that one that got nacked by scottk? | 16:02 |
| Laney | mhr3: ^ ? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, no, that's r23 which got reverted in r24 | 16:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-shopping/trunk | 16:03 |
| seb128 | bah | 16:03 |
| seb128 | 24,25 I meant there | 16:03 |
| mhr3 | Laney, what seb128 said | 16:03 |
| Laney | oh, no, that's a good link | 16:03 |
| Laney | it takes me to the bugs | 16:03 |
| Laney | nope, I still don't see it being approved | 16:04 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1055684 | 16:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1055684 in unity-lens-shopping "[FFE] Use music lens details page for music store results" [High,In progress] | 16:04 |
| Laney | ScottK and stgraber collided but I don't see an approval yet | 16:04 |
| mhr3 | oh, i thought it's already ack | 16:05 |
| mhr3 | ed | 16:05 |
| mhr3 | so... yey for conflicts? | 16:05 |
| stgraber | Laney: current status is a nack in current form, maybe Kate will +1 or we'll just go with the disabling previews option | 16:06 |
| mhr3 | seb128, Laney, actually you can merge it from my branch, i was based on 6.0.0 tag | 16:07 |
| mhr3 | so the merge with trunk is last rev | 16:07 |
| mhr3 | https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-lens-shopping/secure-connection | 16:07 |
| mhr3 | stgraber, previews aren't disablable | 16:07 |
| mhr3 | i mean... can't be disabled :) | 16:08 |
| stgraber | mhr3: surely you must have a "No preview available" or similar string that you could show | 16:09 |
| mhr3 | stgraber, but we can't lie to the users, the server does send the preview | 16:11 |
| mterry | pitti, do you know why update-manager and ubuntu-release-upgrader have been failing on amd64 jenkins jobs due to dependency installation failure? Log isn't very clear. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-update-manager/61/ARCH=amd64,label=albali/artifact/results/log | 16:16 |
| popey | seb128, mhr3, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1055684 updated | 16:45 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1055684 in unity-lens-shopping "[FFE] Use music lens details page for music store results" [High,In progress] | 16:45 |
| Laney | shopping uploaded for SSL | 16:47 |
| didrocks | Laney: you updated lp:ubuntu/unity-lens-shopping isn't it? | 16:48 |
| Laney | will push when it's accepted | 16:48 |
| * Laney has a fear of pushing tags which then turn out to be wrong | 16:48 | |
| didrocks | Laney: just to ensure, you bzr merge? :) | 16:48 |
| Laney | bzr merge -r<revision> <branch> | 16:49 |
| Laney | is that right? | 16:49 |
| Laney | the debdiff looked good to me | 16:49 |
| didrocks | Laney: -rrevstart..revend :) | 16:49 |
| didrocks | Laney: as long as you are sure you didn't pick my change | 16:49 |
| didrocks | (I think it was just merge some minutes after it) | 16:50 |
| didrocks | so should be fine :) | 16:50 |
| didrocks | because you know the famous story of gsettings and schemas not there :) | 16:50 |
| chrisccoulson | sigh :( | 16:52 |
| chrisccoulson | 2 bugs identical to bug 1058209 since the webapps addons were seeded | 16:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1058209 in firefox "firefox re-installs Add-ons every couple of starts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058209 | 16:53 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 17:04 | |
| didrocks | and good week-end! | 17:04 |
| Laney | have a nice weekend everyone! | 17:21 |
| Laney | enjoy your secure dash shopping experience :-) | 17:21 |
| popey | :) | 17:25 |
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| desrt | seb128: is it possible to disable the accounts-crap integration with empathy? | 18:04 |
| seb128 | desrt, you are always having nice words right? ;-) | 18:04 |
| desrt | i prefer the ability to actually use jabber... | 18:04 |
| seb128 | desrt, dunno, ask kenvandine | 18:04 |
| desrt | kenvandine: poke? | 18:05 |
| seb128 | desrt, uoa fail to configure your jabber account? | 18:05 |
| desrt | yes | 18:05 |
| desrt | i click done. nothing happens (at all) | 18:05 |
| xnox | and fail to migrate them as well. | 18:05 |
| seb128 | desrt, I would rather to see that fixed that worked around | 18:05 |
| desrt | the button clicks in, then it clicks out | 18:05 |
| seb128 | desrt, do you have account-plugin-jabber installed? | 18:05 |
| desrt | i can click it again if i like... | 18:05 |
| seb128 | xnox, bug number? | 18:05 |
| desrt | yes | 18:05 |
| desrt | it's on the list as well | 18:05 |
| desrt | but it doesn't work | 18:05 |
| seb128 | :-( | 18:05 |
| desrt | i'd like to get the normal epiphany accounts dialog | 18:06 |
| desrt | i'm sure that would work properly | 18:06 |
| xnox | seb128: does my housemate swearing at me counts as a bug number? | 18:06 |
| * desrt is about to start swearing as well | 18:06 | |
| seb128 | xnox, not very helpful for tracking and getting resolved | 18:06 |
| seb128 | desrt, empathy you mean? isn't empathy-accounts still there? | 18:06 |
| desrt | ahah! | 18:07 |
| jbicha | xnox: get your housemate to file a bug report ;) | 18:07 |
| desrt | seb128: thanks :) | 18:07 |
| seb128 | desrt, yw | 18:07 |
| seb128 | desrt, please talk to amigadave on monday if you can | 18:07 |
| seb128 | desrt, that uoa bug should be fixed | 18:07 |
| desrt | sigh. | 18:07 |
| desrt | the normal dialog is working | 18:07 |
| seb128 | :-( | 18:07 |
| desrt | but it immediately forgets my password | 18:08 |
| seb128 | xdg-runtime-dir fallout? | 18:08 |
| desrt | no doubt due to the uoa cancer | 18:08 |
| seb128 | can you try without the runtime dir in case? | 18:08 |
| desrt | i get really annoyed when people butcher gnome packages non-conditionally | 18:08 |
| seb128 | you are speaking without knowing at this point | 18:08 |
| seb128 | it could be the runtime stuff as well | 18:08 |
| seb128 | empathy-account is not patched afaik | 18:09 |
| * desrt removes xdg, logout/in | 18:09 | |
| seb128 | it could be an upstream bug for what we know | 18:09 |
| desrt | empathy-accounts is fine | 18:09 |
| desrt | it's empathy that's the problem | 18:09 |
| seb128 | you said it forgets your password | 18:09 |
| jbicha | desrt: I think we'll drop gnome-online-accounts from the Remix if ubuntu-online-accounts can handle Contacts, Documents, & Evolution next cycle | 18:11 |
| desrt | seb128: problem is not related to the xdg runtime stuff | 18:11 |
| desrt | but logging out and back in again seems to make it work | 18:11 |
| jbicha | seeing as how Empathy hard-depends on u-o-a any way | 18:12 |
| desrt | the uoa dialog is still stuck, though | 18:12 |
| seb128 | desrt, hum, k | 18:12 |
| desrt | but at least configuring via the empathy-accounts dialog is working | 18:12 |
| seb128 | desrt, you would need to talk to David but I think he's eod(w) | 18:12 |
| seb128 | desrt, can you do that next week? | 18:13 |
| desrt | sure | 18:13 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:13 |
| desrt | meanwhile we should probably fix the empathy package to emable the uoa stuff only under unity... | 18:13 |
| desrt | *enable | 18:13 |
| desrt | running empathy-accounts from the commandline isn't exactly discoverable... | 18:14 |
| desrt | also seems a bit twisted that empathy now has a qt dependency.... | 18:15 |
| seb128 | we need to discuss how to make the GNOME remix more vanilla at UDS | 18:15 |
| seb128 | shame that jbicha will not be there | 18:15 |
| seb128 | jbicha, you will not be there right? | 18:15 |
| desrt | seb128: jbicha is all-american | 18:15 |
| seb128 | (just checking if I got a wrong info) | 18:15 |
| desrt | all america, all the time :) | 18:15 |
| seb128 | desrt, he said he was in Brussels' UDS IIRC | 18:16 |
| seb128 | well anyway | 18:16 |
| seb128 | no jbicha, no robert_ancell | 18:16 |
| seb128 | desrt, hope you will be there to defend GNOME interests :m | 18:16 |
| seb128 | :p | 18:16 |
| desrt | i get so sick of all the patching.... | 18:20 |
| jbicha | yeah, empathy depending on qt is annoying | 18:20 |
| seb128 | use ostree ;-) | 18:20 |
| desrt | jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1058250 | 18:20 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1058250 in empathy "conditionalise empathy u-o-a dependency" [Undecided,New] | 18:20 |
| jbicha | lol | 18:21 |
| seb128 | but honestly I think over time we are getting close of distros really supporting one desktop with the increase hard depends on stack choices | 18:21 |
| seb128 | e.g "need gdm to lock your screen" | 18:21 |
| desrt | ya. that's somewhat obnoxious, imho | 18:22 |
| desrt | but from gnome's standpoint, lightdm was seen as a fork | 18:22 |
| desrt | so blame all around, i guess? | 18:22 |
| seb128 | well it has nothing to do with lightdm | 18:22 |
| seb128 | what about kubuntu, they used kdm for years | 18:22 |
| desrt | lightdm is the reason that ubuntu is still not using gdm | 18:22 |
| desrt | and nobody expects to use a system with gnome and kdm... | 18:23 |
| seb128 | no, gdm is the reason why ubuntu is not using gdm anymore | 18:23 |
| desrt | seb128: touché :) | 18:23 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:23 |
| seb128 | but well, lubuntu used lxce, kubuntu kdm, etc | 18:23 |
| desrt | unfortunately this is one of those cases where the fork convinces the original maintainers to start paying attention again and make their product better | 18:23 |
| desrt | so you end up with no clear winner | 18:24 |
| seb128 | well, the point remain | 18:25 |
| desrt | ya. i agree | 18:25 |
| seb128 | desktops start depending on a specific login manager, init system, etc | 18:25 |
| desrt | and it's not clear that gdm would have gotten better on its own | 18:25 |
| desrt | maybe lightdm was necessary one way or the other... | 18:26 |
| seb128 | so the old "you can have <n> desktop and let users log into whichever they want" is sort of over | 18:26 |
| desrt | seb128: ya. i agree with that. | 18:26 |
| seb128 | well to be fair I'm glad we have lightdm | 18:26 |
| desrt | it's why i think we should stop trying to support (for example) parallel installable unity/gnome | 18:26 |
| seb128 | the other way would have been to patch gdm to no end to have an unity like look | 18:26 |
| seb128 | which would have pissed me off for the patch and you off as a GNOME user ;-) | 18:26 |
| desrt | imho the unity greeter is not as smooth of an experience (to unity) as gdm is to gnome these days... | 18:27 |
| desrt | it's too different | 18:27 |
| seb128 | I like it, I think it looks very nice | 18:27 |
| desrt | it does look nice | 18:27 |
| desrt | absolutely | 18:27 |
| desrt | but it doesn't look like unity | 18:27 |
| desrt | not even a little | 18:27 |
| seb128 | but yeah, it's not the same UI as the desktop | 18:27 |
| desrt | well, i guess i already said that when i said "it looks nice" ;) | 18:27 |
| seb128 | ok, on that it's time for dinner and calling it a week | 18:29 |
| seb128 | have a good w.e everyone | 18:29 |
| seb128 | see you next week! | 18:29 |
| desrt | seb128: see you monday | 18:29 |
| desrt | jbicha: ready to cancel gnomebuntu? :) | 18:29 |
| jbicha | I turn away from the computer for a minute and the conversation took a sharp detour... | 18:30 |
| desrt | seb makes a good point... | 18:31 |
| jbicha | which? | 18:32 |
| desrt | 14:26 < seb128> so the old "you can have <n> desktop and let users log into whichever they want" is sort of over | 18:32 |
| jbicha | how is it over? just because gnome-shell now hard-depends on gdm being installed? | 18:33 |
| desrt | jbicha: plus the systemd dependencies, plus the accounts services, plus the control center, plus the settings daemon | 18:34 |
| mterry | jbicha, you won't be at UDS? bummer | 18:35 |
| jbicha | mterry: yeah, I wish I could go | 18:36 |
| jbicha | maybe I should go to Boston, I didn't apply for sponsorship though | 18:38 |
| desrt | pfft | 18:41 |
| desrt | it's in the same country | 18:41 |
| desrt | surely you can walk, right? | 18:41 |
| jbicha | lol, you're almost twice as close as I am, but it's the hotel cost I'm more concerned with | 18:54 |
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| chrisccoulson | ah, congratulations unity webapps for being the only thing doing main-thread sqlite in firefox now | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | on every page load! | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | grrrrrrrr | 21:24 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: i assume sqlite has slow blocking APIs? | 21:59 |
| desrt | fsync() issues? | 21:59 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt, that's why upstream have spent a significant amount of time removing it's use from the UI thread :) | 21:59 |
| chrisccoulson | and then we add it straight back again.... | 21:59 |
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