[14:57]  * skaet waves
[14:58]  * ogra_ shores
[14:58] <skaet> :)
[14:58]  * smartboyhw waves
[14:59] <popey> o/
[14:59] <seb128> hey
[14:59] <skaet> welcome... quormum is forming  :)
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[15:00] <highvoltage> o/
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-09-28
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:00] <skaet> 12.10
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/11 - Release Candidate, and Release Note Content Freeze
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/16 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze
[15:00] <skaet>     October 18 - 12.10 Release
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:00] <skaet> Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <skaet> To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:01] <skaet> 2012/09/21 -  2997 (was 2996  - 2012/09/21):   Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status.  :)
[15:01] <skaet> We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects.  Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Thanks to those who sent in status emails,  could you please paste the link here in the channel,  since there weren’t that many when I checked earlier this morning...
[15:01] <skaet> ..
[15:01] <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
[15:02] <skaet> Thank you to the release team and QA team and flavor leads for everyone’s hard work on getting all the late features landed, and tested,  and out the door for Beta2.
[15:02] <skaet> Now entering the last window for bug fixing before we release 12.10.  Any questions on upcoming dates/schedule above?
[15:02] <ogra_> foundations status - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001962.html (ogra)
[15:03] <ogra_> err
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio: No:P
[15:03] <ogra_> sorry, old link
[15:03] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001986.html
[15:03] <skaet> thanks ogra_,  I'll add the links to the agenda from ubuntu-release as we get them in.
[15:03] <skaet> (or likely from the mail list ;) )
[15:04] <jbicha> \o
[15:04] <skaet> go jbicha
[15:04] <jbicha> .. (I was just waving)
[15:04] <skaet> welcome :)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:04] <seb128> jbicha, hey ;-)
[15:04] <skaet> any one else have their links handy or questions?
[15:05] <ogra_> o/
[15:05] <skaet> ogra_,  is it just new review blocking pam-xdg-support?
[15:05] <ogra_> skaet, as i understood it, yeah
[15:05] <seb128> it seems to have been NEW reviewed
[15:05] <doko> skaet, built now in q, needs a MIR
[15:05] <seb128> the binaries are installable
[15:06] <seb128> (I installed it here)
[15:06] <ogra_> doesnt the FFe serve as MIR too ?
[15:06]  * ogra_ thought the bits were on the bug
[15:06] <seb128> no, FFe don't do code reviews nor security reviews I think
[15:06] <skaet> jdstrand, mdeslaur - is there anything missing for pam-xdg-support?
[15:06] <doko> I don't think so
[15:06]  * xnox 0/
[15:07] <mdeslaur> skaet: did it get a MIR?
[15:07] <mdeslaur> skaet: unless one has already been performed, it should go through the MIR process and get a security audit
[15:08] <doko> mdeslaur, it looks fine for me, however I'd like to have the security team have a look
[15:08] <skaet> ogra_,  can you handle?
[15:08] <skaet> getting the MIR filed, so we can unblock this one?
[15:08] <ogra_> skaet, i'll poke slangasek ... but i thought there was MIR data in the FFe bu already
[15:08] <ogra_> *bug
[15:08] <skaet> mdeslaur, can you guys do a security review on it today?
[15:09] <jdstrand> I cannot
[15:09] <mdeslaur> skaet: what's the bug #?
[15:09] <jdstrand> I could do it monday
[15:09] <seb128> it's 300 lines of code
[15:09] <seb128> so shouldn't be too hard
[15:09] <jdstrand> well, it's pam. it's always hard
[15:09] <seb128> right, I was going to add a note about that ;-)
[15:09] <ogra_> bug 894391
[15:10] <skaet> jdstrand,  thanks.  if someone else can't get it through today,  would be good to do it as soon as possible on monday.   Want this landing before we go into desktop infrastructure freeze.
[15:10] <jdstrand> might I just add, once again, that late landing code like this is hard to deal with?
[15:10] <skaet> (if its ok to go in ;) )
[15:10] <skaet> jdstrand,  no argument from me.
[15:11] <ogra_> jdstrand, foundations is aware and is sorry ... and will buy you beer at UDS :)
[15:12] <jdstrand> heh, well, at least someone from the security team
[15:12] <skaet> :)
[15:12] <skaet> .. on this one I think.
[15:12] <ogra_> o/
[15:12] <skaet> any other urgent FFE's or bug fixes that need help left,  or have we pretty much quiesced?
[15:12] <skaet> go ogra
[15:13] <skaet> go ogra_
[15:13]  * skaet goofed up her auto complete
[15:13] <ogra_> popey, have the compiz bits (and its rdeps) been tested against arm this time (last abi bump i had to spend three days to fix them)
[15:13] <popey> ogra_, not yet, only landed in a ppa a couple of hours ago
[15:13] <ogra_> (though that was simply because the packagind had s/arm/foo/ across the board)
[15:14] <ogra_> popey, but they will ? or do i need to plan to keep time available for it ?
[15:14] <popey> hmm, my team has no arm hardware capable of testing compiz right now
[15:14] <popey> so help needed there
[15:14] <popey> ..
[15:15] <skaet> plars, balloons, ^ can you help popey
[15:15] <ogra_> but you at least do build tests (and take a look at the logs if GLES was enabled ?)
[15:15] <ogra_> popey, that would already help a lot ...
[15:16] <plars> I'm gone until tuesday of next week, but we may have someone else who can give it a try.  if we need to pull it from the ppa just shoot us a link and we can help take a look
[15:16] <ogra_> (last time the world was built for GL ... which is clearly visible in the logs for example)
[15:16] <popey> ogra_, ok, I'll add that to our testing.
[15:16] <popey> thanks!
[15:16] <ogra_> thx
[15:16] <popey> ..
[15:16] <ogra_> ..
[15:17] <skaet> before we move on,  just want to check that everyone is ok with the dates I pasted at the start of the meeting?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:17] <ogra_> thats all *next month* !
[15:17] <ogra_> so far away :)
[15:17] <skaet> we're pretty compressed time wise
[15:18] <skaet> popey,  seb128 are you going to be ok holding to the desktop infrastructure freeze next Thursday?  (happens with the kernel freeze)
[15:18] <skaet> ogasawara, is the kernel freeze on track?
[15:19] <seb128> skaet, should be fine
[15:19] <popey> yes
[15:19] <seb128> compiz updates is planned on monday
[15:19] <ogasawara> ogasawara: yep, planned for next week
[15:19] <seb128> and unity on wednesday
[15:19] <skaet> thanks seb128, popey, ogasawara
[15:19] <skaet> doko,  no other toolchain uploads to worry about?
[15:20] <doko> the only toolchain uploads I do worry about are glib2.0, gtk, and qt
[15:21] <seb128> glib and gtk got updated to the GNOME 3.6 stable version so no change expected for those
[15:22] <skaet> doko,  what's the issue with glib2.0?   I've seen several bug fixes go in for it recently, but not sure what's outstanding.
[15:23] <skaet> and what's left with qt?
[15:24] <doko> skaet, I see it's now built on arm after the fifth upload, so probably it's ok. however qt4-x11 didn't build yet on arm, and webkit fails. likely a launchpad issue, Laney is trying to work around it
[15:24] <skaet> doko,  thanks.  will keep eye open then for it.
[15:24] <Laney> ahoy
[15:24] <Laney> waiting for post-b2 skew to sort itself out so that I can test webkit locally
[15:25] <skaet> thanks Laney.
[15:26] <Laney> cautiously optimistic
[15:26] <Laney> providing someone toolchainy lets the make patch in
[15:27] <doko> Laney, could you at least forward this upstream?
[15:27] <doko> if it's not yet there ...
[15:28] <Laney> I think it was
[15:28] <Laney> I'll try to find the reference
[15:28] <Laney> it's certainly not applied though
[15:30] <skaet> ..?
[15:30] <Laney> doko: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-make/2009-07/msg00012.html is what I can come up with ATM
[15:30] <Laney> yes, we can discuss this elsewhere
[15:30] <Laney> sorry
[15:31] <skaet> no worries.   good to get it resolved.
[15:31] <skaet> seb128, popey - there are a couple of critical bugs on the tracking list.  At least one is stale (I recognize it, and will mark it fix released ;) )  Could you both take a pass at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html ? and make sure all the criticals either have a 12.10 date or quantal-updates beside them,  so we can make sure we're focusing on the right things for the next wee
[15:31] <skaet> k?
[15:31] <seb128> skaet, it's on my todo for today, sorry I got a behind this week catching up after holidays and with beta2
[15:32] <popey> thanks seb128
[15:32] <ogra_> they let you do holidays ?!?
[15:32] <skaet> ogra_,  if foundations could do the same,  it would help make sure we're all focusing on the important bigs,  since those lists are rather long.
[15:32] <ogra_> yup
[15:32] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, not sure what they were thinking :p
[15:33] <ogra_> :)
[15:33] <skaet> ogasawara,  and kernel team is the champ of the long list right now...  ;)
[15:33] <ogra_> yeah, we should go without kernels, they always have bugs :)
[15:33] <ogasawara> ogra_: +1 :)
[15:34] <Daviey> hurd++
[15:34] <ogasawara> skaet: I think that's due to the CVE's which we've discussed earlier
[15:34] <popey> That's it, I'm switching to GNU/Hurd!
[15:34] <ogra_> thats also a kernel
[15:34] <skaet> anyhow,  will be using that list exclusively for the next couple of weeks to make sure the important fixes land in 12.10 - so if you have bug fix that needs to land, but is not on that list,  please let me know and I'll help sort.
[15:35] <skaet> ogasawara, yeah,  that's it mostly,  but for the high/criticals - would be good to know what will land this week, and what's definitely SRU teritory
[15:35] <ogasawara> skaet: ack
[15:36] <skaet> Daviey,  arosales -  there's one critical that seems stalled, but is on the list - wanting to know if its really critical, and likely to land?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1026102
[15:37] <skaet> anyhow,  if we can have a nice crisp list by next Thursday,  would very much appreciate,  since there's only a couple of days after that until final freeze.
[15:38] <skaet> ....
[15:39]  * skaet will be continuing to ping out of band on these for the next week or two...
[15:40] <Daviey> skaet: looking
[15:40] <skaet> Riddell, ScottK, knome, stgraber, highvoltage, scott-work, gilir, ogra_, infinity - please review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest and make sure all the last changes for your images are there.
[15:40] <skaet> in particular for gilir,  does lubuntu still want to carry alternate images?
[15:40] <Daviey> skaet: will follow u, thanks
[15:40] <stgraber> skaet: edubuntu looks good
[15:41] <gilir> skaet, yes
[15:41] <ogra_> arm looks fine too
[15:42] <skaet> thanks,  ok,  please sign the manifest in the "Target" column by entering the date.  :)
[15:43] <skaet> other topic...   for same audience ;)
[15:43] <skaet> Riddell, ScottK, knome, stgraber, highvoltage, scott-work, gilir, ogra_, infinity - could you please review the test cases on the iso tracker for your flavors/community ports - and make sure they are accurate for the mandatory/run once/optional?   For the release we will be aiming for 100% coverage.   Please work with balloons to adjust any testcases, if necessary, before October 4, 2012.
[15:43]  * smartboyhw thinks there will be edit conflict:P
[15:43]  * skaet is old hand at resolving edit conflicts,  don't worry.
[15:43] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:43] <ogra_> skaet, k
[15:43] <cjwatson> skaet: we're hammering rls-q-tracking pretty hard at the moment FWIW - it's down about 12 or so over the last two days
[15:43] <balloons> :-) yes, the mandatory/run-once/optional are important
[15:44] <skaet> cjwatson,  thank you.  :)
[15:45] <cjwatson> (and we have no actual critical-priority bugs there right now)
[15:45] <skaet> *\o/*
[15:45] <ScottK> o/
[15:46] <skaet> keep up the good work.   other teams,   feel free to be competitive in terms of getting most fixes in ;)
[15:46] <skaet> and all critical bugs off the list.
[15:46] <skaet> go ScottK
[15:46] <ScottK> I've started to be very skeptical of UIFe requests for things that are just tweaks/new functions.
[15:47] <ScottK> I think we should do that generally as people need to be focused on fixing stuff and not wouldn't it be nice if ...  ideas.
[15:47] <ScottK> I've also starting saying no to nice to have FFe's too.
[15:47] <ScottK> ..
[15:48] <skaet> ScottK,  agreed.   We're out of time for nice to haves.
[15:49] <skaet> yesterday's UIFe has a quote from Mark that makes that point as well,  I think.  from a UIFe perspective at least.
[15:50] <skaet> any one else have comment?  questions?
[15:50] <skaet> or are we pretty much at the end of the meeting now?
[15:50] <ScottK> Do we know where we are on the https change for shopping?
[15:51] <ScottK> That's more than slightly essential.
[15:51] <skaet> I thought I saw that Laney approved it already,  but haven't double checked it this morning.
[15:51] <skaet> seb128, ^ any update?
[15:52] <seb128> let me check
[15:52] <Laney> it's merged
[15:52] <Laney> we should probably cherry-pick it into the distro
[15:52] <skaet> please
[15:53] <seb128> there is an update planned for next week
[15:53] <seb128> do you prefer than to go earlier?
[15:53] <Laney> definitely
[15:53] <seb128> e.g to try to land it today?
[15:53] <Laney> is the server ready?
[15:54] <skaet> if we can pull the pieces together.  more time we have to shake it down, better it will be.
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, server is ready
[15:54] <Laney> OK, I'll upload it shortly then
[15:54] <seb128> skaet, Laney: I will have a go at backporting it today
[15:54] <Laney> oh
[15:54] <Laney> even better :P
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, or do you want to do it?
[15:54] <skaet> Thanks seb128 !  :)
[15:54] <Laney> no preference
[15:54] <seb128> yw
[15:56] <skaet> ..
[15:56] <ScottK> The only other thing that I thought was really essential was the online search privacy change and I approved that yesterday and I see bits of it are landing.
[15:56] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 28 15:56:23 2012 UTC.
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-28-15.00.moin.txt
[15:56] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-28-15.00.html
[15:56] <skaet> ooops
[15:56] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[15:56] <skaet> sorry ScottK
[15:56] <ScottK> No problem.
[15:56] <ogra_> heh
[15:56] <ScottK> It was a statement, not a question.
[15:56]  * ogra_ has to hurry out anway
[15:58] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet
[15:58] <skaet> Thanks seb128, Daviey, ogra_, ogasawara, plars, popey, Laney, cjwatson, smartboyhw, gilir, stgraber, Daviey, doko, jdstrand, mdeslaur, jbicha
[15:58] <skaet> have a good weekend.
[15:58] <seb128> skaet, thenks
[15:58] <seb128> thanks
[15:58] <stgraber> skaet: thanks
[15:58] <popey> thank you!
[20:29] <Ross123> dave?
[20:30] <bowser4> DGizzle