[00:00]  * Akiva-Work hates maintaining windows machines
[00:00] <veryhappy> Akiva-Work: Good luck :)
[00:00] <DaemonicApathy> Good luck! Be sure to download some of the Canonical docs on switching, if you haven't already.
[00:00] <DaemonicApathy> Oops.
[00:00] <OerHeks> company-switch, grinn
[00:01] <DaemonicApathy> They'll be back. ^_^
[00:03] <bkovacs> Ok what about 100GB win, 305 data, 60GB Ubuntu /root no swap. I have 8GB RAM. c drive shows 465GB
[00:04] <DaemonicApathy> No swap means no hibernation, fyi. If that doesn't matter to you, sounds good to me.
[00:04] <bkovacs> running on desktop not laptop
[00:05] <kiyoura> no swap means a lot of things..
[00:05] <DaemonicApathy> I'm not good at swap yet. All I know about is the hibernation limitation.
[00:06] <hdon-> hi all :) i have shared new directories today, but my /etc/samba/smb.conf has an mtime from 6 months ago. where does Ubuntu Samba store its share configuration when i use Nautilus to click a file and choose "Sharing Options" or "Properties" to set up a new shared directory?
[00:07] <bkovacs> So how much swap for desktop 1GB or 2GB, have 8GB Ram
[00:07] <hdon-> bkovacs, 2GB. HDD is cheap.
[00:08] <kiyoura> bkovacs, it is common to use double the ram you have for swap
[00:08] <kiyoura> or is it half?
[00:08] <bkovacs> What else is swap used for except hibernation
[00:08] <k1l> bkovacs: nothing
[00:08] <bkovacs> I read double the ram under 4GB
[00:09] <k1l> bkovacs: and if you want susspend2disc you need swap=ram
[00:09] <hdon-> bkovacs, swap is your virtual memory!
[00:09] <kiyoura> k1l, it isn't used for page memory?
[00:09] <k1l> bkovacs: that is old rumors back from the days when you only had 64mb ram
[00:09] <hdon-> WHAT
[00:10] <bkovacs> So hdon 2GB will be fine for 8GB Ram
[00:10] <DaemonicApathy> Virtual memory is overrated.
[00:10] <k1l> kiyoura: just compare the speed of ram with the speed of hdds. you dont want  to use swap in a running system
[00:10] <hdon-> bkovacs, yes
[00:10] <bazhang> DaemonicApathy, please lets stop with the editorializing
[00:10] <hdon-> bkovacs, i have 4GB of RAM and 2GB swap on this system for about four years :)
[00:10] <bkovacs> Thanks!
[00:10] <k1l> bkovacs: you wont have hibernation than
[00:12] <hdon-> k1l, what about memory that rarely gets accessed?
[00:12] <hdon-> bkovacs, k1l may have a point. i don't use hibernation.
[00:12] <k1l> hdon-: there is no reason to park data on slow storrage speed.
[00:13] <k1l> hdon-: not if most systems come with too much ram these days :)
[00:13] <hdon-> k1l, if you have so much RAM, then the page file / swap partition will never get used
[00:13] <hdon-> k1l, but sometimes you do have an explosion in memory usage, and then you need virtual/page memory there
[00:14] <bkovacs> So 100GB (Win), 305GB (Data), 58GB (Ubuntu), and 2GB (Swap)
[00:14] <hdon-> k1l, you're being silly, virtual memory is very practical. it's a good place for inactive memory to be kept when you fill your RAM for whatever reason.
[00:14] <rlw980> toshgsh: You still here?
[00:14] <montage> Why are the U.S. major traditional media not covering Presidential Candidates Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode and Rocky Anderson?
[00:15] <bazhang> montage, wrong channel
[00:15] <montage> I find that very puzzling since the USA touts itself as a shining beacon of democracy
[00:15] <k1l> hdon-: no, that old view to store things in swap comes back from the days when you had very few and extremely expensive ram.
[00:15] <bazhang> montage, stop it
[00:15] <montage> Why are the US major traditional media acting like they are censoring some Presidential Candidates?
[00:15] <OerHeks> !ot | montage
[00:16] <k1l> hdon-: some caches get build faster than the reading speed from the swap.
[00:16] <bkovacs> But would you use hibernation on a desktop?. I can see it on a laptop
[00:16] <grimeton> hi, what happened to dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[00:17] <OerHeks> k1l, bkovacs only with a SSD i reduce swapiness & log/timestamp actions.
[00:18] <hdon-> k1l, what caches?
[00:19] <k1l> hdon-: the stuff that gets parked into swap, when swap is needed
[00:19] <bkovacs> So 8GB or 2GB Ram for system with 8GB
[00:20] <hdon-> k1l, any page of memory in RAM can be parked in swap. what are "caches" and what "builds" them?
[00:20] <k1l> bkovacs: i would go with no swap. since you hardly will fill your 8gm ram
[00:21] <bkovacs> Thanks K1l
[00:21] <hdon-> and what does the linux kernel do when you run out of RAM?
[00:21] <zykotick9> hdon-: "any page of memory" i highly question.  i doubt swap gets used for much, in the grand scheme of things (non-essential for sure!)
[00:21] <k1l> hdon-: cmon
[00:21] <k1l> hdon-: do you want to fill 8gb ram with firefox tabs or what?
[00:22] <bazhang> k1l, hdon- lets take this conversation to ##hardware , or #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:22] <hdon-> apologies bazhang
[00:22] <bkovacs> Thanks everyone!
[00:23] <k1l> hdon-: the users  that need that amount of ram for grafical stuff or virtualisation will know about there ram consumption. bazhang kk.
[00:23] <trippy_1> zykotick9 - the disabling of the acpi seems to have worked
[00:23] <trippy_1> I added the tag to the grub and rebooted, been using the pc since and no weird graphica issues
[00:23] <zykotick9> trippy_1: nicely done!  good job man.
[00:23] <bazhang> k1l, the conversation is long past its sell by date. lets move on
[00:24] <hdon-> does anyone know where Ubuntu Samba keeps its configuration? it does not appear to be /etc/samba/smb.conf
[00:24] <hdon-> not in its entirety anyhow
[00:24] <k1l> hdon-: do you mean samba or gvfs ?
[00:25] <trippy_1> zykotick9 - I have one more question, I want to tone down the graphics on ubuntu and get rid of the 3d effects because the system is kind of slow, any specfic gui options I can do this with? or do I need to go in the CLI
[00:25] <k1l> because nautilus uses gvfs
[00:25] <hdon-> k1l, gvfs only handles client side of connection right?
[00:25] <bazhang> !notunity | trippy_1
[00:25] <zykotick9> trippy_1: try ubuntu2d from the login menu perhaps
[00:25] <TheProf> Hello. I hope everyone is well. Using Edubuntu 12.04 -- some users when they log in only get a desktop background - no menu, no icons, nothing.  How can I fix this please?
[00:25] <bazhang> trippy_1, also unity-2d
[00:26] <trippy_1> Im using auto login
[00:26] <k1l> hdon-: yes, its clientside
[00:26] <trippy_1> is there anywah I can set this to default?
[00:27] <XiaolinDraconis> itll choose whatever was chosen last
[00:27] <XiaolinDraconis> so disable auto login
[00:27] <XiaolinDraconis> change to unity2d
[00:27] <hdon-> my ubuntu system is serving a directory via samba/windows file sharing, however i cannot find any mention of it in /etc/samba/smb.conf so i'm trying to find where this other config comes from (did the configuration with nautilus, can access it from a windows system on my network
[00:27] <XiaolinDraconis> and then enable auto login again
[00:28] <trippy_1> Understood. Let me close this Update Manager and give it ago again....
[00:29] <OerHeks> hdon start = sudo cp /etc/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf.original
[00:29] <Hatori> hdon,actually if you configured correctly,windows client coild access your share
[00:29] <unsobill> i always wonder is there cracked software for linux available and where
[00:29] <Hatori> unsobill... Lol,thats not needed..
[00:29] <unsobill> i found one serial emulator that cost $140
[00:30] <hdon-> OerHeks, hm?
[00:30] <unsobill> its a must to crack this shit :(
[00:30] <unsobill> and its for linux
[00:30] <hdon-> Hatori, windows client can access my share. i want it to.
[00:30] <OerHeks> unsobill, cracking is offtopic, who needs serials for Linux it is free.
[00:30] <unsobill> http://www.vandyke.com/pricing/corporate/index.html
[00:30] <bazhang> unsobill, no cursing. please get on topic
[00:30] <Hatori> unsobil, you should buy it if you need them
[00:30] <unsobill> tell this guy - theres version for linux that cost 140
[00:30] <unsobill> isnt whole purpose of linux is to be free lol
[00:30] <unsobill> double standards
[00:30] <hdon-> unsobill, Linux is a kernel
[00:31] <hdon-> unsobill, doesn't mean you can't run proprietary software
[00:31] <bazhang> unsobill, this is ubuntu support. take it elsewhere
[00:31] <hdon-> unsobill, you probably do and don't even realize it
[00:31] <trippy_1> the 2d version looks really good lol
[00:31] <unsobill> i guess if u support this then okay :)
[00:31] <trippy_1> I used Unbuntu 2d
[00:31] <unsobill> i just get free version on windows
[00:31] <hdon-> unsobill, i don't, so i don't buy that software. if there is a software i support, then i buy it. or something like that.
[00:31] <cheebu> does the latest ubuntu have TRIM support
[00:32] <k1l> cheebu: yep
[00:32] <OerHeks> cheebu, yes, add discard to your fstab entry.
[00:32] <cheebu> do i have to mess oarund or it will work out of box?
[00:33] <rlw980> EyeToy may I use that has a webcam?
[00:33] <Hatori> unsobill, i think a lot off people here could crack it easily, but thats not important to make this happen
[00:33] <trippy_1> Ok I turned back on Autologin and I am using ubuntu 2d.
[00:33] <OerHeks> like this > UUID=<very long number> / ext4 noatime,discard,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[00:33] <jefimenko> does network manager in ubuntu 12.04 really try to get a dhcp lease for ipv6?
[00:33] <bazhang> !webcam | rlw980 have a look
[00:33] <trippy_1> Any other pointers for very slow PCS? 2.8Ghz Pentium D, with 512Mb of Ram...
[00:34] <bazhang> Hatori, hes gone, lets move on
[00:34] <jefimenko> i'm trying to test ipv6 on my network, but i can't see the dhcp requests going out when using tcpdump for port 546 packets (dhcp-v6 packets)
[00:34] <rlw980> bazhang: thanks pal
[00:34] <rlw980> ubottu: ok thank you very much
[00:34] <rlw980> ubottu: Really?
[00:36] <trippy_1> Any other pointers for very slow PCS? 2.8Ghz Pentium D, with 512Mb of Ram...??
[00:36] <bazhang> trippy_1, try lubuntu
[00:36] <bazhang> !lubuntu | trippy_1
[00:36] <DaemonicApathy> You might also look into upgrading the amount of RAM, if possible.
[00:36] <trippy_1> bazhang - I am trying to standardnize the OS across the PCs
[00:37] <trippy_1> They came from a business, 20 of them..
[00:37] <trippy_1> It;s part of a project to equip special needs schools in my country with at least 2 computers per school.
[00:37] <zykotick9> trippy_1: 512MB RAM isn't even ubuntu recommended minimum...
[00:37] <zykotick9> !requirements
[00:37] <bazhang> trippy_1, lubuntu woul d fit the bill nicely with that processor and amount of ram,
[00:37] <trippy_1> What about the education applications?
[00:37] <trippy_1> That's the real reason I went with Ubuntu because of the apps, support and acpps
[00:37] <bazhang> trippy_1, such as what
[00:38] <zykotick9> trippy_1: sorry 512 is minimum
[00:38] <IdleOne> trippy_1: Ubuntu and Lubuntu share the same repositories, you can install those apps.
[00:38] <bazhang> trippy_1, there is edubuntu as well
[00:38] <trippy_1> Ah understood. Let me do some research on Lubuntu
[00:38] <trippy_1> bazhang - I am running Edubuntu right now
[00:39] <bazhang> trippy_1, ok. you can use the edubuntu default apps with the lightness of lubuntu
[00:41] <trippy_1> Nice.
[00:41] <trippy_1> I think switching to Ubuntu 2D realy helped.
[00:43] <trippy_1> Time to start installing on the 15 odd PCS.
[00:43] <trippy_1> thanks everyone for help
[00:43] <OerHeks> have fun trippy_1
[00:44] <trippy_1> I like the granularity of this distro.
[00:44] <trippy_1> Very cool.
[00:47] <Bill_> Hi, first time on the site and i'm a complete noob, I'm thinking about installing ubuntu on my laptop and i'm super new so i was just looking for some help
[00:48] <bazhang> !manual | Bill_ this may help
[00:48] <XiaolinDraconis> Bill_, download and burn the iso, you test run it
[00:48] <Bill_> Burn the ISO?
[00:49] <XiaolinDraconis> google burn iso its easy enough
[00:49] <XiaolinDraconis> windows has a built in feature for it
[00:50] <Bill_> LOL okay, I know a lot about computer hardware, I'm just not good at programming....
[00:50] <black_joe> If you double click the .iso, it will burn it for you.
[00:50] <black_joe> Under Windows 7 at least.
[00:50] <Bill_> Yup, i'm running windows 7
[00:50] <black_joe> But... There is another way.
[00:50] <OerHeks> Bill_, there are many wiki pages to get you started
[00:50] <black_joe> Have you considered Wubi?
[00:51] <Bill_> No, what is it?
[00:51] <black_joe> It is a program you run in Windows that installs Ubuntu as a program.
[00:51] <black_joe> It still runs on hardware, but it can be uninstalled from Windows.
[00:51] <black_joe> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
[00:51] <Bill_> I see, I know running froma disc will be slow performance but what about wubi
[00:51] <Bill_> ?
[00:51] <black_joe> It's as simple as running this.
[00:52] <XiaolinDraconis> i was only suggesting a test run
[00:52] <black_joe> It doesn't really run inside of Wubi. It is installed by it.
[00:52] <black_joe> On your Hard Drive.
[00:52] <Bill_> Oh.
[00:52] <black_joe> If you do just want to run it from a CD, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/burn-a-cd-on-windows
[00:53] <ItaloPessoa> testing
[00:53] <XiaolinDraconis> 1 2 3
[00:53] <Bill_> No, i'm looking to eventually install it fully, just on an old laptop to test it out. Do you find you need to dual boot or is ubunto good enough for daily use?
[00:53] <XiaolinDraconis> great for daily
[00:54] <XiaolinDraconis> only need dual boot if you game
[00:54] <ItaloPessoa> somebody could help me? to upload a pack to ppa?
[00:54] <ItaloPessoa> Oh
[00:54] <ItaloPessoa> sorry
[00:54] <black_joe> If you game, use Autocad, or any adobe product other than Flash you will need to dual boot.
[00:54] <Bill_> I'm a heavy gamer.
[00:55] <Bill_> Plus I do architecture work, thus autocad....
[00:55] <black_joe> Also, if the laptop does not have a good GPU you may need to use a less intensive version. Like Xubuntu.
[00:55] <Bill_> I thought ubuntu was light on systems?
[00:55] <black_joe> It was before Unity was introduced.
[00:55] <hmmwhatsthisdo> I'm trying to install 12
[00:55] <black_joe> It tends to be a bit slow.
[00:55] <hmmwhatsthisdo> .gah, stupid enter key
[00:55] <Bill_> Unity?
[00:56] <black_joe> The default desktop environment.
[00:56] <Martell> I think I already disabled the gnome keyring popup whenever the ubuntu started, but it still popup, how do i "vanish" this thing away efficiently
[00:56] <black_joe> There are others. Xfce, lxde, etc. They are all light.
[00:56] <black_joe> The difference is that Unity, although arguably prettier and much easier to use, takes up more Ram and processing power.
[00:56] <Bill_> Alright I think im ready to go, i just need the website for DL and a DVD, right?
[00:56] <XiaolinDraconis> o r athumb drive
[00:56] <XiaolinDraconis> or
[00:56] <DaemonicApathy> A CD is big enough.
[00:56] <XiaolinDraconis> a
[00:57] <Bill_> How big?
[00:57] <hmmwhatsthisdo> I'm trying to install 12.04 on a laptop that's already running W7. There is unallocated space already available on the drive, but I need to save part of it for BackTrack. What should I do?
[00:57] <Bill_> 2GB thumb drive do?
[00:57] <black_joe> Bill_, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[00:57] <black_joe> Choose 64-bit and you're ready to go.
[00:57] <hmmwhatsthisdo> I'm not quite sure how to pilot the manual partition section of the installer to do what I need it to do
[00:57] <DaemonicApathy> For a live session, 2GB should be plenty.
[00:57] <black_joe> And yes. But then you need to go down a different route to make it bootable.
[00:58] <black_joe> Such as using a tool called unetbootin.
[00:58] <Bill_> Um how so?
[00:58] <Bill_> I have only a thumb drive, no dvds/cds
[00:58] <hmmwhatsthisdo> just throwing it out there, if you're burning a live disk for Ubuntu the default ISO writer in W7 can burn it just fine
[00:58] <maicod> hi I'm running samba on my server . when on a client computer I access a share by mounting with mount.cifs /server/share /mnt/share -o user=xxx,password=xxx I keep getting read-only access. The user account works when accessing from a windows pc and has write access. Could it be something in etc/smb.conf or etc/smbpasswd ?
[00:59] <DaemonicApathy> Bill_: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[00:59] <Bill_> Thankyou kindly
[00:59] <chamunks> what happened to middle click scrolling...
[01:00] <Bill_> Im going to go try this, thankyou all who helped, cya
[01:07] <hmmwhatsthisdo> I have a laptop running W7x64 that I plan to install Ubuntu on. I've shrunk 96GB out of the main partition, but I'm not sure how to install Ubuntu but only have it use 32 of those 96 GB. What should I do?
[01:08] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: expand the partition you shrunk so only 32 is left.
[01:09] <black_joe> If you choose manual partitioning, you can select that free space and only take up 32 GiB with the root partition.
[01:09] <Bill_> Browse to your ubuntu-12.04*desktop*.iso  --> <-----WHAT does this mean?????
[01:09] <Bill_> What am i browsing and what am i choosing????
[01:10] <tsimpson> Bill_: it means: open the file manager and navigate to the directory where you downloaded the .iso
[01:10] <Bill_> What is the iso?
[01:11] <Bill_> And should i be putting that on the usb im using for the boot?
[01:11] <blackshirt> bill, cd/dvd image
[01:11] <hmmwhatsthisdo> black_joe: the I'm at the manual partitioning screen, shows my OEM, Recovery, and W7 partition, along with the free space
[01:11] <blackshirt> or something likes that
[01:11] <happyengineer> Hi, I just did completed a fresh install of 12.04, but am seeing very high CPU usage for compiz and Xorg (>50% each) - even when doing nothing. Have also installed the fglrx drivers, which I hoped would alleviate things, but nope (in fact, the CPU usage seems to have gone up!) Any ideas how to sort this, as it just doesn't seem right... Using ATI Radeon HD 4200 Card with AMD Turion II X2 m500 (2.2Gig)
[01:13] <hmmwhatsthisdo> black_joe: when I go to add a partition, I see a screen asking me to choose a filesystem, size, and mount point.
[01:13] <a7i3n> quit
[01:13] <a7i3n> exit
[01:13] <hmmwhatsthisdo> What do I put in for mount point?
[01:13] <bobo37773> a7i3n fail :P
[01:14] <hmmwhatsthisdo> black_joe?
[01:15] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Sounds strange. Is it directly related to compositing you think? Try a different window manager and see if the problem persists. If your box is overheating setup cpu frequency scaling
[01:16] <lobhater> hello all
[01:17] <bobo37773> lobhater: hey
[01:17] <^Mike> I have an lvm volume I can't mount. When I do `mount /dev/vg0/usr-store /mnt/usr-store` I'm told mount doesn't know what kind of filesystem it is. When I add `-t ext4`, I'm told I'm wrong, or there is something wrong with the superblock. What have I done wrong? http://p.hashbang.ca/Zu
[01:17] <happyengineer> bobo37773: Thanks - I'm not sure, but switching to Unity2D certainly helps (I mean, CPU usage drops to about 10-20%). Why isn't the compositing happing in the GPU, I'd like to know!
[01:17] <lobhater> bobo37773: Hows it going?
[01:17] <happyengineer> happending*
[01:18] <happyengineer> typed it wrong twice!
[01:18] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Not sure. Compositing has never caused me anything but problems. Switched to openbox a long time ago. Couldn't be happier
[01:18] <bobo37773> happyengineer: haha :P
[01:18] <bobo37773> lobhater: Cool. You?
[01:18] <happyengineer> openbox - what's that?
[01:18] <Aristide> openbox is a Window Manager :)
[01:19] <lobhater> ^Mike: partitions arent my speciality but have you tried gparted our a gui?  instead of the cli? maybe its a syntax error
[01:19] <bobo37773> happyengineer: A window manager. You have a lot of options man.
[01:19] <Aristide> openbox can replace kwin with KDE for example ^^
[01:19] <^Mike> lobhater: gparted doesn't support lvm, and it is not a syntax error
[01:19] <lobhater> good bobo, glad tomorrow is FRIDAY!
[01:19] <happyengineer> and you recommend it? is it as nice looking as unity?
[01:19] <bobo37773> lobhater: yay
[01:20] <lobhater> ^Mike: told you I didnt know what i was talking about, sorry just a thought
[01:20] <^Mike> np
[01:20] <Aristide> happosade, Try it and make your opinion :) (I don't know if opinion is correct in English)
[01:20]  * Aristide check 
[01:20] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Is it not as pretty looking if thats what you mean. Although that is pretty relative. I use it because it is fast. Very fast
[01:20] <Aristide> Ok its correct :)
[01:22] <lobhater> do you guys know of a way i can stream movies from my server and have the ability to "seek" in the movie without having to use samba? I currently ssh into my server and then just use the movie player to watch them but I can fast forward or rewind
[01:22] <happyengineer> bobo37773: are there any compatibility issues with applications (for example, Eclipse/Blender/Gimp/Chromium/Libre Suite - these are the ones I use day to day)
[01:23] <bobo37773> happyengineer: No not at all. The gui engines like glade, gtk*, qt* are not window manager specific. They are all seperate libraries etc..
[01:24] <trism> lobhater: sshfs? Nautilus/File/Connect to Server/ssh? seems to let me fast forward and rewind
[01:25] <lobhater> trism: sshfs??? what is that?  i just ssh into the box. sudo nautilis      find the file and double click, it starts movie player but i cant seek
[01:26] <lobhater> trism: is that all you do?
[01:26] <trism> lobhater: on your local system, open nautilus and go to File/Connect to Server, enter the info and select ssh and it will open a folder to your remote machine
[01:26] <lobhater> trism: brb gonna try it now
[01:29] <happyengineer> bobo37773: sorry - overheated and died :P
[01:29] <hmmwhatsthisdo> So, how do I tell Ubuntu to install onto unallocated space, but only a certain amount of it?
[01:29] <happyengineer> bobo37773:  in case you said anything while I was away...
[01:30] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, use the something else option size it ext4 and /
[01:30] <hmmwhatsthisdo> and Ubuntu will divvy it out as needed?
[01:30] <conky> hello there......cinnamon 1.6 released and i dont know how to upgrade from 1.4 to 1.6    please help
[01:31] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Wow. That sucks. Here is what I said: "No not at all. The gui engines like glade, gtk*, qt* are not window  manager specific. They are all seperate libraries etc.."
[01:31] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, You are manually installing in something else set it as ext 4 put the size in and set the partiton as /
[01:32] <hmmwhatsthisdo> mmkay
[01:32] <happyengineer> bobo37773: on unity 2d now, so that shouldn't happen any more... is openbox good with a multiple monitor set up?
[01:32] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, YOU have 3 primary partitions though right?
[01:32] <_0x783czar> does anyone know of a good way to check if a key has already been added to apt?
[01:32] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: I believe so.
[01:32] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Can I check with Gparted?
[01:33] <blackshirt> _0x783czar: apt-key list
[01:33] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Mutliple monitors are setup by xorg-server (the back end behind your window manager) through Xinerama and stuff like that. Window manager does not make a huge difference
[01:33] <_0x783czar> blackshirt: haha, thanks I just found it as you typed that.  Thanks againg
[01:33] <conky> how to update cinnamon ?
[01:33] <blackshirt> _0x783czar: :D
[01:34] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, The easiest way would be to close the installer and open gparted, make the unallocated a extended partition then the ext4 inside of it and the swap to the sizes you want. The extended allows the ext4 logicals to be as many as you can fit in it basically.
[01:34] <bobo37773> happyengineer: First thing I would do if I was you would be to set up cpu frequency scaling so yoru box does not overheat again.
[01:34] <happyengineer> bobo37773: just done that. should be ok now
[01:34] <pogi> hey guys- would you know if the gnome remix is releasing beta 2?
[01:34] <happyengineer> bobo37773: Is the install easy? Also, can I have open box and unity side by side, so I can pick which to use when I log in?
[01:35] <lobhater> trism: it works! thanks.  Why is that different than the way I was doing it?  seems to be basically the same thing
[01:35] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Yeah you should be able to. I don't see why it would be a problem.
[01:36] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Just search for openbox in your package manager. It should be in there
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, You can also put NTFS partitions in that extended and windows will see them, but you don't want any windows OS's in the extended just data partitions.
[01:37] <happyengineer> bobo37773: going to look in synaptic now. Just wanted to ask, in case I install, and something unexpected happens!
[01:38] <pogi> hey guys- would you know if the gnome remix is releasing beta 2?
[01:38] <bobo37773> happyengineer: After you install it you will still have to set it up. Do you know xml at all? Can you read a config file?
[01:38] <happyengineer> yes, pretty familiar with xml and comfortable with config files
[01:38] <trism> lobhater: I'm not really sure why it doesn't work the other way
[01:38] <lobhater> huh, well what ever it works!
[01:39] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: In that case, how would I install GRUB and add Windows to its list?
[01:41] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (with the intent of later replacing it with BURG)
[01:41] <bobo37773> happyengineer: You should be fine then. Read this maybe -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox    & read this --> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox    Also, you may want to not follow the advice there on setting up your .xinitrc etc.. on either of those but rather read some documentation on whatever ubuntu uses for their display manager
[01:43] <uRock> Hello folks. I installed updates today, now my system will not boot up to desktop. It goes straight to tty1.
[01:43] <bobo37773> happyengineer: I think ubuntu uses lightdm. Read up on how to add a session to that
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Grub is installed in the installation, use the something other option once you built the partitions how you want them, choose the one to install to, set the mount as / and set the partition as ext4 and click the format to reload the data to tat partition and install, in that first gui after you choose something else make sure grub is pointed at the HD not a partition, so it would be sda or sdb...etc depending on the HD you'r
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> e installing to.
[01:43] <uRock> startx causes the system to power off
[01:43] <lobhater> uRock: what happens when ypu typr     sudo service lightdm restart?
[01:43] <clawbsy> Hey, I need help with installing proprietary drivers on my laptop. Running Precise on an HP G62-355DX laptop.
[01:43] <bobo37773> uRock: When you boot again don't startx. Just read the log file.
[01:44] <lobhater> *you type
[01:44] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: how much longer will you be available? I have to go eat dinner.
[01:44] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: What's for dinner?
[01:44] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, I will be on for probably 3-4 hours
[01:45] <happyengineer> bobo37773:  great, thanks. Not sure if I'm going to make the switch today... probably Sunday, when I have more time to figure it out.
[01:45] <hmmwhatsthisdo> bobo37773: Breaded tilapia! Smells amazing.
[01:45] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: Oh nice. Man I'm hungry
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> good eaten. ;)
[01:46] <bobo37773> happyengineer: You may want to look into a distro called crunchbang if you are tired of unity too.
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> I like archbang if you like arch
[01:46] <uRock> lobhater, it freezes at * Stopping Userspace bootsplashgerdevicescessing daemonpatcher
[01:46] <wilee-nilee> without the hassle of installing it
[01:47] <happyengineer> bobo37773: all this info is great. I think I'm going to spend the weekend just trying different distros!
[01:47] <clawbsy> Better yet, is there a way to install Windows drivers in Ubuntu for devices beyond wireless cards?
[01:47] <bobo37773> wilee-nilee: I don't recommend archbang. Until they move to a netinstall based installer it will be prolematic. Especially for someone new
[01:47] <wilee-nilee> bobo37773, probably wise. ;)
[01:47] <bobo37773> happyengineer: Cool.
[01:48] <bobo37773> wilee-nilee: Yeah I am getting to move away from arch actually.
[01:48] <clawbsy> happyengineer: I made the switch just the other day. It's definitely a learning experience. I really enjoy the challenge.
[01:48] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Windows drivers? For what?
[01:48] <happyengineer> clawbsy: to openbox or crunchbang?
[01:48] <lobhater> uRock:  do u have nvidia graphics card?
[01:48] <wilee-nilee> bobo37773, I have used it not worth the hassle even if you know all the tricks really at least for me.
[01:48] <uRock> lobhater, yes
[01:49] <clawbsy> Bobo, sound device drivers.
[01:49] <bobo37773> wilee-nilee: It has a lot of potential. I have ran it for some time now. Going the gentoo / funtoo route though. Makes more sense for my needs
[01:49] <clawbsy> happy, I'm just running ubuntu precise. Not many modifications.
[01:49] <barneyfife> how do get the ubuntu "classic theme" in 10.10+ ?
[01:49] <lobhater> uRock: I am sure that it is.  pastebin lspci for me please
[01:49] <bobo37773> clawbsy: All that stuff should be built into your kernel already.
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> bobo37773, If I wanted to mess around it would probably be gentoo, just to see the code flash by, heh. ;)
[01:50] <bobo37773> clawbsy: open a terminal and type "alsamixer" and see if any of your devices are (M) muted
[01:50] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I want to keep pulse from forcing software audio control. I want the hardware to control that. I've done Alsa already. Everything is enabled.
[01:50] <bobo37773> wilee-nilee: better to do quiet actually (no code). keeps the computer from getting as hot hahaha
[01:51] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Can you explain a little more. What is pulseaudio doing?
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> bobo37773, If I was studying CS in college I would be interested but I'm in a whole different field.
[01:52] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Software controls hardware. That's the way it works :/
[01:52] <clawbsy> bobo37773: The only reason I'm coming here is because I've searched all over and not found much that's very helpful. Pulseaudio is completely ignoring my sound hardware and making my CPU do pretty much everything for sound.
[01:52] <uRock> lobhater, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12222927&postcount=1
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> barneyfife, 10.10 is end of life it is not supported do you have to use it?
[01:52] <bobo37773> clawbsy: So, is sound not working at all?
[01:53] <barneyfife> wilee-nilee: i needed it for the netbook remix
[01:53] <clawbsy> bobo37773: Sound is working, it's just that it makes anything else I do tend to be a lot slower, especially my emulators and firefox.
[01:53] <lobhater> uRock:  give me a few to read
[01:53] <barneyfife> only the netbook version supports the dimensions of my screen
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> barneyfife, The unity desktop looks just like it, 10.10 is not supported that is a real hassle and there are no security updates for it.
[01:54] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Oh. Which ubuntu are you using?
[01:54] <bobo37773> clawbsy: The unity one?
[01:54] <clawbsy> bobo37773: And the aforementioned applications freeze up on occasion for about 15 seconds. I'm using Precise 12.04 x86_64 and, yes, Unity.
[01:55] <barneyfife> ok ill install unity then ;)
[01:55] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Try to disable compositing and see if that helps.
[01:55] <chris92> hey there. i managed to get my bcm wireless card running but after a restart no network dropdown appears. can anyone help me?
[01:55] <clawbsy> You may need to get a GUI utility to handle that.
[01:56] <clawbsy> Er...gnome extension.
[01:56] <bobo37773> chris92: How did you manage to get it running in the first place? Firmware install of some kind?
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> barneyfife, I doubt that 10.10 is the only ubnutu for your resolution that makes no sense. ;)
[01:56] <Daz646_> would anybody mind telling me the difference between opengl and xrender?
[01:56] <lobhater> uRock:  You might wanna try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1852473       It seems to be the same issue. Different version of Ubuntu but it seems all they are doing is reinstalling the drivers.   I have little to no experience with nvidia cards but thats all I can come up with.  Sorry.
[01:56] <uRock> lobhater, reinstalling the driver fixed the issue.
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> barneyfife, 10 inch right?
[01:56] <k4m3h4t3> somebody help me
[01:56] <barneyfife> yup
[01:56] <chris92> bobo37773: yea sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer did the nob
[01:57] <lobhater> SwEET! GOOD
[01:57] <k4m3h4t3> i cant into dekstop ubuntu
[01:57] <chris92> job*
[01:57] <uRock> lobhater,  thanx,
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> barneyfife, I run 12.04 on my netbook same screen size
[01:57] <k4m3h4t3> but if i type start ist work
[01:57] <clawbsy> bobo37773: Also, I was running PinguyOS before. It was something built on top of Ubuntu 12.04. I had no problems with it other than the fact that it was bloated with all sorts of extra and pointless software.
[01:57] <lobhater> k4m3h4t3: with what?
[01:57]  * uRock is no longer in panic mode. Is thankful for the IRC
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> !Details | k4m3h4t3
[01:57] <clawbsy> bobo37773: Pulseaudio worked just fine.
[01:57] <bobo37773> chris92: b43 kernel module. Is it loaded? Check with lsmod or lspci -k
[01:58] <chris92> bobo37773: yes it is
[01:58] <bobo37773> clawbsy: What happens if you kill pulseaudio and restart it? Does something else randomly spike up?
[01:58] <clawbsy> Uh...I haven't tried that.
[01:59] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I'm not entirely sure how to do that.
[01:59] <bobo37773> chris92: try to unload and reload it maybe.
[01:59] <k4m3h4t3> ubottu : i have a problem with my laptop, i'm using ubuntu 12.04 LTS but i can't in desktop ubuntu
[01:59] <arielsanflo> how  active la ene
[01:59] <chris92> bobo37773: sudo modprobe -r b43? already did that, didnt help
[01:59] <k4m3h4t3> beuh
[01:59] <arielsanflo> teclado en english
[02:00] <k4m3h4t3> i have a problem with my laptop, i'm using ubuntu 12.04 LTS but i can't in desktop ubuntu
[02:00] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I'm pretty sure I need to be in terminal to do that.
[02:00] <bobo37773> clawbsy: find the pid and kill it. It will be threaded for sure. ps ax | grep -v grep | grep pulse
[02:00] <lobhater> k4m3h4t3: have you ever been able to get into ur desktop?
[02:00] <tatan> OLA
[02:00] <tatan> DE DONDE SON?
[02:00] <bobo37773> chris92: After that did you load it up again with modprobe?
[02:00] <chris92> bobo37773: yes ofc
[02:00] <k4m3h4t3> Iobhater
[02:00] <k4m3h4t3> Iobhater : yes
[02:00] <clawbsy> bobo37773: pid 1900. What from there?
[02:00] <bobo37773> chris92: Hmm. Strange. You already checked all the rfkill stuff and all that I am assuming?
[02:01] <tatan> 9OLA
[02:01] <tatan> A
[02:01] <tatan> S
[02:01] <tatan> S
[02:01] <tatan> D
[02:01] <FloodBot1> tatan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:01] <tatan> DD
[02:01] <k4m3h4t3> Iobhater : but now i cant
[02:01] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Kill it. sudo kill -9 1900. Or you can just kill the process name probably too. It is going to restart itself though.
[02:02] <barneyfife> top is easier for killing stuff
[02:02] <clawbsy> bobo37773: "kill: no such process"
[02:02] <chris92> bobo37773: not rly. i just installed xubuntu today and got the wlan running after i disabled the eth0 with ifdown eth0 because the routing was messed up somehow. had to use netboot to install ubuntu in the first place
[02:02] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Then just pkill pulseaudio
[02:02] <barneyfife> clawsby run top and look for the process name and pid
[02:02] <Martell> does the fresh install of 12.04 contains java on it? coz i want to run virtualbox on it (the pc dont have internet connection)
[02:02] <chris92> bobo37773: some kind user in here helped me to get it running
[02:03] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I'm not sure if it's doing anything. It pops up another entry line. No output from it.
[02:03] <bobo37773> chris92: Does iwscan work? So maybe you can isolate networkmanager as not being the problem
[02:04] <User___> h
[02:04] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I killed it, audio is off.
[02:04] <lobhater> k4m3h4t3: did u get my pm?
[02:04] <k4m3h4t3> yes
[02:04] <k4m3h4t3> i'm sorry my connection is low :D
[02:04] <bobo37773> clawbsy: there is no output. If you want to know if an application exited correctly check the exit code --> echo $?
[02:05] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Oh okay. So did the cpu go down or still an issue?
[02:05] <chris92> bobo37773: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[02:05] <adamkex> I installed fluxbox and then firefox but there is no autogenerated menu entry for firefox. A menu entry is created if I install other applications.
[02:05] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, Can you explain what got you to not being able to access the desktop, or was it a random event?
[02:05] <clawbsy> bobo37773: That command just closes terminal. Probably because it begins with "exit"
[02:05] <bobo37773> chris92: Weird. But is was working before. Strange.
[02:06] <bobo37773> clawbsy: echo $?
[02:06] <bobo37773> clawbsy: That was the whole command
[02:07] <bobo37773> clawbsy: It doesn't matter now though if you closed your terminal already though
[02:07] <clawbsy> Oh. Nevermind. I'm dumb.
[02:07] <chris92> bobo37773: i think i got it running once i plugged in an ethernet cable and turned eth0 off via ifdown. as soon as i plug the cable in, the wlan module can be turned on and off via the hardware key...
[02:07] <bobo37773> clawbsy: :P
[02:07] <k4m3h4t3> maybe compiz?
[02:08] <bobo37773> chris92: Weirdness. Does ifconfig show it as beign up now?
[02:08] <rockingwing> bobo37773: nope, doesnt show up in ifconfig
[02:08] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I really have no idea. For some reason, pulseaudio doesn't function properly in 12.04.
[02:09] <chris92> sry, wlan on my phone isnt the best
[02:09] <bobo37773> chris92: What about ifconfig -a
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, If you can get to a tty at the login this should work to reset compiz I believe, and please use nicks on this channel.
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3
[02:10] <wilee-nilee> http://askubuntu.com/questions/127782/ubuntu-12-04-compiz-failure-computer-has-nothing-to-use
[02:10] <mastershake> hello
[02:10] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Well did your cpu usage go down after killing it or not?
[02:11] <clawbsy> No.
[02:11] <clawbsy> bobo37773: It was killed and started right back up.
[02:11] <bobo37773> mastershake: hey.
[02:11] <KRomeleoN> gnome 3.6!
[02:11] <KRomeleoN> woooo
[02:11] <bobo37773> clawbsy: Yeah cause it's a threaded daemon
[02:11] <k4m3h4t3> yes
[02:11] <rockingwing> bobo37773: well it shows up there. cant paste right now as im writing from my phone
[02:11] <KRomeleoN> ubuntu+gnome 3.6 = christmas
[02:11] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: would it be a bad move to install GRUB/BURG on the same partition as ubuntu?
[02:11] <k4m3h4t3> i will try
[02:11] <mastershake> hey guys,everytime i try to connect to a server in  irssi it refuses it. im using xchat at the moment. any idea how to reset this?
[02:12] <hmmwhatsthisdo> btw, breaded tilapia is very good
[02:12] <bobo37773> chris92: Bring the device up. Any errors?
[02:12] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I was trying to get a daemon for Alsa, but Alsa doesn't seem to function for anything other than system sounds.
[02:12] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: Oh nice. I'm jealous
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, No you can have both it is what you put in the mbr burg or grub that will be the bootloader, burg needs a few files installed so be careful to do it right and know how to load the mbr.
[02:13] <chris92> bobo37773: the problem is, it doesnt let itself turn on.
[02:13] <bobo37773> clawbsy: pulseaudio is more or less a wrapper for alsa. alsa still powers all the sound. pulseaudio just sits on top.
[02:13] <clawbsy> bobo37773: I'm gonna go try to sort this out on my own. Thanks for your help!
[02:14] <bobo37773> chris92: any error
[02:14] <bobo37773> clawbsy: okay good luck. try unity2d or a different window manager.
[02:14] <mastershake> no ideas anybody/
[02:14] <mastershake> *?
[02:14] <k4m3h4t3> wait a minute
[02:14] <rockingwing> bobo37773: nothing, i can press the key as often as I want
[02:14] <bobo37773> mastershake: hmm weird
[02:14] <k4m3h4t3> i must be restart
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo,I use burg but I have it loaded by using the multisytem usb loader for it and the files are loaded where grub is on the OS.
[02:15] <bobo37773> rockingwing: no not with the button. with "ifconfig wlan0 up" or something. should spit out some kind of error or something
[02:15] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: so, in the "device for bootloader install", I have /dev/sda (my hard drive), and then sda1-5 (an OEM partition, W7's recovery partition, Windows 7, and the new EXT4 partition)
[02:15] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (sda4 doesn't exist)
[02:15] <bobo37773> mastershake: how did you setup irssi?
[02:16] <bobo37773> mastershake: are you behind a proxy or anything?
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Take a screen shot of gparted you can open it while in the installer and imagebin it.
[02:16] <bobo37773> mastershake: what port are you using for irssi? firewall running? etc..etc...
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> !imagebin | hmmwhatsthisdo
[02:18] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, If your wondering where grub goes it is sda
[02:18] <hmmwhatsthisdo> and that would replace W7's bootloader, correct?
[02:18] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Yep.
[02:18] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Grub will have windows in its boot
[02:19] <hmmwhatsthisdo> automatically?
[02:19] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Can I specify the recovery partition as well, or is that not needed?
[02:19] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (W7's bootloader has an option to boot into recovery mode)
[02:19] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Should if not boot into ubuntu and run sudo update-grub    there is a app called the os-prober which finds otherOS's
[02:20] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: Yes you can. You will probably have to add in yoru recovery partition yourself though.
[02:20] <hmmwhatsthisdo> http://imgur.com/OeMMQ
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, The windows boot will be in grub for a recovery part of it the usual f8 should get to it.
[02:20] <chris92> bobo37773: sry, im back. phone doesnt like my wlan. well, i just tried it again. i plugged in the ethernet cable, voila, wlan activates itself... reeeeally strange
[02:20] <hmmwhatsthisdo> whilst booting windows?
[02:21] <bobo37773> chris92: Yeah that is pretty weird.
[02:21] <TheProf> .quit
[02:21] <DeltaHeavy> Hey, my Ubuntu 12.04 running in Virtual Box crashed so I had to kill the virtualbox process as that's all I could do at that point. Now I'm at a 800x600 resolution, and don't know how to fix it. How can I get my resolution back?
[02:21] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (also, is there a way to have BURG entirely bypass itself unless a key is held down?)
[02:21] <chris92> bobo37773: ifconfig now also shows my wlan
[02:21] <bobo37773> chris92: Did you try to bring up wlan0 with ifconfig manually first?
[02:22] <chris92> bobo37773: yes
[02:22] <bobo37773> chris92: No error or anything?
[02:22] <chris92> bobo37773: no error, just accepted the command and nothing happened
[02:22] <chris92> bobo37773: oh wait, yes there was an error
[02:23] <chris92> bobo37773: my bad, gimme a sec
[02:23] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, YOu want to have a extended partition in the unallocated before the ext4. ext4 is a partition type not a number. So close the installer and with gparted right click the unallocated and make a extended partition. Then put the ext4 of the size you want in the exteneded as a logical then a swap. As it is right now you will not have a swap without the exteneded.
[02:24] <chris92>  bobo37773: terminal already scrolled past it. damn it
[02:24] <hmmwhatsthisdo> do I need the swap with 6GB ram?
[02:24] <Hatori> k4m3h4t3,still there !
[02:24] <bobo37773> chris92: Did it say somethign about SIOCSIFFLAGS do you remember?
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, YOur choice you can't hibernate without a swap, but realy having a extended as the container for the ext4 is impaerative if you want any more partitions. The max is 4 primaries on a single HD.
[02:25] <chris92> bobo37773: i think it said sth like action not permitted
[02:25] <hmmwhatsthisdo> mmkay
[02:25] <bobo37773> chris92: Got it. The error was because you needed to use sudo ->   sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[02:25] <hmmwhatsthisdo> extended partition is in the queue
[02:26] <bobo37773> chris92: should have said that I guess. I assume too much sometimes
[02:26] <hmmwhatsthisdo> now I make a new partition and a swap partition inside the extended partition?
[02:26] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: swap goes on it's own partition
[02:27] <chris92> bobo37773: hm, yea... i dont want to reboot and try again, because i would wake up my room mate right now if i go a second time to the router to plug the notebook in
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, THe screen shot says ext4 as of now it goes inside of the extended make sure the extended is made first.
[02:27] <hmmwhatsthisdo> it is made
[02:27] <hmmwhatsthisdo> So, make an ext4 partition inside that, correct?
[02:27] <bobo37773> chris92: just remember for next time. I find it strange though that this isn't just working though. Maybe their are conflictign modules or something somewhere
[02:27] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, If you make more partitions then is allowed your HD will go dynamic and that is bad.
[02:28] <hmmwhatsthisdo> As does the swap partition?
[02:28] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: Are you trying to make a swap partition? swap is swap not ext4
[02:28] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Yeah the ext4 and the swap go inside the extended.
[02:28] <hmmwhatsthisdo> yea, gparted lists linux-swap so I assumed such
[02:28] <wildman330> Ok I have a weird problem.  Sometimes when I right click a program on the Unity bar and the menu pops up (remove from launcher, quit, etc.).  Sometimes that little menu wont disappear and it freezes my desktop
[02:28] <chris92> bobo37773: i checked everything I found on teh internets, like de-installing other bcm modules also wl, but none of those were installed in the first place
[02:28] <hmmwhatsthisdo> alright, how large should the swap be?
[02:28] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Same as RAM?
[02:29] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: do you want to be able to suspend / hibernate?
[02:29] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, That is the general rule
[02:29] <hmmwhatsthisdo> bobo37773: preferrably
[02:29] <hmmwhatsthisdo> can extended partitions... be extended themselves?
[02:29] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: Then yeah it needs to be at least the same amount of ram then
[02:29] <chris92> i usually go with 1.5times the ram
[02:30] <bobo37773> chris92: guess it depends on the ram amount. :P
[02:30] <hmmwhatsthisdo> chris92: my laptop has 6GB ram, 9GB is not a nice number. Should I call it 8?
[02:30] <k4m3h4t3> where my friend
[02:30] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: You don't need more than half. Other than hibernating etc.. you will never use it anyways.
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, as long as it is equal to the ram you are safe.
[02:31] <Pinkamena_D> hello, i am running ubuntu server and the terminal has frozen except for blinking cursor after an error "usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error-71". I have tried ctrl q and c the ALT+printscreen REISUB. with no success
[02:31] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: Oh sorry. Not half. Same amount as ram.
[02:31] <k4m3h4t3> wilee-nilee : http://ompldr.org/vZm8weg/2012-09-28%2009/18/54/jpg  <<like this
[02:31] <Pinkamena_D> the server still works normally in the background, and i can log in and use it normally via SSH
[02:31] <Pinkamena_D> is their a way to unfreeze the terminal?
[02:31] <bobo37773> chris92: do you have to load the module yourself or is it loading at boot time?
[02:32] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Can I extend the extended partition at a later date, provided there's free space to do so?
[02:32] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, Your ubunutu is in a virtual?
[02:32] <k4m3h4t3> no
[02:32] <bobo37773> chris92: also, check your blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ or whatever
[02:32] <k4m3h4t3> in my ubuntu i was install virtual box
[02:32] <Pinkamena_D> also of note is that the error is not understandable to me as the server has no usb devices at all
[02:32] <Pinkamena_D> unless its talking about another usb here
[02:33] <chris92> bobo37773: the b43 loads at boot time. but I encountered sth while booting. It says "waiting 60 more seconds for network configuration. continuing boot without full network configuration" or sth like that on the bootscreen shortly before I'm able to login
[02:33] <bobo37773> chris92: probably worth throwing up a forum post.
[02:34] <chris92> bobo37773: probably. launchpad?
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, I'm not sure what the screen shot is to be honest, the link I gave you was on resetting compiz in a tty using ctrl-alt-f1  I am not sure if you can run it at the login as well.
[02:34] <k4m3h4t3> wilee-nilee: no. in my ubuntu i was install virtual box
[02:34] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: Can extended partitions be extended after they're made?
[02:34] <bobo37773> chris92: nah, ubuntu forums
[02:34] <Pinkamena_D> anyone?
[02:34] <chris92> chris92: alright
[02:34] <chris92> bobo37773: alright
[02:34] <k4m3h4t3> what must i do
[02:34] <bobo37773> chris92: ah. talking to yoru self huh? hahaha :P
[02:34] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Yes you can resize a extended if there is unallocated space to move either end to.
[02:35] <hmmwhatsthisdo> mmk
[02:35] <chris92> bobo37773: sure, its fun, you should try it :P
[02:35] <k4m3h4t3> wilee-nilee : what must i do
[02:35] <bobo37773> chris92: oh believe me. I do man. I do
[02:35] <superpie> so i've heard bad things about this channel...
[02:35] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, I have no idea where your at or what your doing at this point.
[02:35] <hmmwhatsthisdo> in that case, I'll boot back into W7 and shrink the main partition down another 16GB so I have space for 2 8GB swaps
[02:36] <r30h> ell00
[02:36] <k4m3h4t3> wilee-nilee : but if i type 'startx' i can in my ubuntu dekstop
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, YOu only need one swap
[02:36] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: Boot your recovery kernel.
[02:36] <magn3ts> I've used linux for too long now to still not be able to get a sshfs volume to mount so that it's readable by my user
[02:36] <magn3ts> any help?
[02:36] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: Oh nevermind. It boots.
[02:36] <k4m3h4t3> bobo37773 : mean?
[02:36] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, I don't think I can help you to be honest sorry. ;)
[02:37] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: what if I'm going to have 2 linux-based OSes? Will I be able to utilize the swap on both?
[02:37] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (at the same time?)
[02:37] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, yep,
[02:37] <k4m3h4t3> wb
[02:37] <blackshirt> wew
[02:37] <k4m3h4t3> hihih
[02:37] <k4m3h4t3> wifi mah jalan kang
[02:37] <k4m3h4t3> cma gak bsa masuk dekstop az
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, YOU can't run both at the same time unless one is in a virtual, I think you mean consecutively right?
[02:38] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: I thought your system was stuck.
[02:38] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: yes
[02:38] <hmmwhatsthisdo> my bad.
[02:38] <chris92> bobo37773: so, what subforum do I use... Hardware & Laptops?
[02:38] <wilee-nilee> bobo37773, I think there is a language barrier
[02:38] <k4m3h4t3> bobo37773 : so, what must i do
[02:39] <bobo37773> chris92: Hmmm. I would say newbie corner. Just always through everything there. More people look there
[02:39] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, What is your native language?
[02:39] <chris92> bobo37773: thanks man! :)
[02:39] <k4m3h4t3> english
[02:40] <chris92> bobo37773: i assume "noobie corner" = "absolute beginner talk"?
[02:40] <k4m3h4t3> im sory
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, cool it is just difficult I think for us to understand what is going on, you have left out key things.
[02:40] <k4m3h4t3> wilee-nilee : indonesian
[02:40] <bobo37773> chris92: Oh right sorry. I was thinking arch forums. Yeah you're right
[02:41] <k4m3h4t3> wilee-nilee : i'm sorry. indonesian
[02:41] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: Is your computer not starting up right?
[02:42] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: Or is virtualbox not starting up right?
[02:42] <k4m3h4t3> bobo37773 : yes
[02:42] <wilee-nilee> k4m3h4t3, Cool, I'm just really careful not to brick another's computer is all.
[02:42] <k4m3h4t3> but it's work mode console not mode gui
[02:43] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: Oh okay. Why do you think it has something to do with virtualbox then?
[02:43] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: So you can get to console and startx and it works just no login screen is that correct?
[02:44] <bobo37773> wilee-nilee: It's lightdm right? Is that the ubuntu default still?
[02:44] <homecablee> whats a good email server to use ?
[02:45] <k4m3h4t3> bobo37773: that's my error message. if i type 'startx' yes i can in to my dekstop ubuntu.
[02:45] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: So, would I be able to hibernate 2 linux partitions at the same time with only one swap partition?
[02:45] <F_> Hello everyone. I have a question about dns/subdomains. This is the case. I have a server with two diffrent gameservers online at the same time. But when i have this, i also have two diffrent ports the players have to connect to. One is the default port and the other isn't. So, i would like to redirect a subdomain like server1.server.com to server.com:1111 and server2.server.com to server.com:2222. Is this possible and if so, that applic
[02:45] <wildman330> anyone use Audacious?  and if so how do I listen to streaming radio stations with it?
[02:46] <bobo37773> k4m3h4t3: try to sun this command in terminal-->    "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm"
[02:47] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: You can't boot 2 kernels at once so your question is nto relevant. 2 gnu/linux installs can share the same swap space though
[02:47] <hmmwhatsthisdo> bobo37773: so, hibernating one and booting into another isn't possible?
[02:47] <bobo37773> hmmwhatsthisdo: No. I don't think so
[02:48] <hmmwhatsthisdo> rather, hibernating one, booting into another, then hibernating the second?
[02:48] <hmmwhatsthisdo> oh, ok
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> sounds right
[02:49] <leroy> meta-k /input grab_key_command
[02:52] <chris92> bobo37773: check your query, if interested
[02:53] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: also, a quick question about BURG - is there a way to have BURG immediately boot something unless a key is pressed?
[02:54] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, There are ways to set up grub and burg to boot straight to what you from linux although I have not messed with it. Burg is just grub 2 in a purdy wrapper as well.
[02:54] <wilee-nilee> want*
[02:58] <Tohuw_> Is there any package providing Apache 2's mod_xml?
[03:04] <blackshirt> good morning .... :d
[03:06] <hmmwhatsthisdo> now wilee-nilee, I tell Ubuntu to install the boot loader on /dev/sda, right?
[03:07] <CryptoFreak> Hello everyone. Just trying to confirm something here: is it true that as of 12.10 Ubuntu will no longer support 2d mode for Unity?
[03:07] <seednode> I've heard the same, but can't confirm, sorry.
[03:07] <CryptoFreak> Yeah, that's the problem: I'm hearing it but I can't confirm it either
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, yeah.
[03:09] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: do you know if GRUB sees Windows 7's Recovery partition
[03:09] <hmmwhatsthisdo> ?
[03:09] <hmmwhatsthisdo> s/sees/can see
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Possbly directly yes I had an acer netbook that booted the recovery, but it should be availble by hitting f8 as soon as you hit windows in grub the usual f8 menu should show.
[03:11] <wilee-nilee> safeboot etc
[03:12] <ParkerM> i just installed xubuntu 12.04 and the boot is hanging at 'stopping save kernel messages'
[03:13] <WeThePeople> does reinstalling ubuntu-desktop also reinstall Xorg?
[03:13] <seednode> I don't think so, WebDawg
[03:13] <seednode> WeThePeople*
[03:13] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, I would be careful on relying on that recovery though, it is not protected from badware that windows could get, a install disc is what I bought first thing when I got XP on the netbook, cheap from the manufacturer
[03:13] <seednode> Sorry, hit tab too early.
[03:13] <chew-z> what would be faster computer?   #1 fastest supercomputer in 1980 that USA government uses  or  2012 desktop-home-computer
[03:13] <tfittsy> I have a domain that I'm trying to setup with bind.  it has been pointed to another server but I pointed it to my new server a couple of hours ago.  Is there I way I can make sure it will work properly once the changes propagate?
[03:14] <Martell> how to minimize 11.04 so it uses less RAM? basically i just want to do web surfing and sometimes watch videos
[03:14] <seednode> Probably the second, cheq-z
[03:14] <seednode> chew*
[03:14] <seednode> Dammit.
[03:14] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: I wouldn't be relying on it entirely, just in case I'm not near a W7 disc
[03:14] <WeThePeople> is it possible to reinstall Xorg
[03:14] <seednode> Yes
[03:14] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, cool.
[03:14] <seednode> Just use apt to remove and reinstall, WeThePeople
[03:14] <WeThePeople> from tty
[03:15] <hmmwhatsthisdo> what's the little "Keyboard == Accessibility" pictogram mean?
[03:15] <seednode> sudo apt-get remove xorg && sudo apt-get install xorg , maybe?
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> Martell, what desktop are you using, what is the ram amount you have and chip info?
[03:15] <seednode> I don't actually remember the package name in Ubuntu.
[03:15] <Tohuw> WeThePeople: if xorg is uninstalled completely, apt-get ubuntu-desktop will cause any missing packages, including xorg-server or so, to be reinstalled.
[03:15] <WeThePeople> tohuw, will this mess with my files??
[03:15] <Martell> wilee-nilee : intel i3, 2gb DDR2 ram
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> Martell, you running the 64 bit
[03:16] <seednode> Removing Xorg shouldn't affect data, other than configs.
[03:16] <Martell> yes
[03:16] <Martell> but my ubuntu is 32bit
[03:16] <Tohuw> WeThePeople: define "mess with my files". That is a broad question. What is the actual problem? Did you uninstall some component of X11?
[03:17] <redwarriors25> how to install open ssh in ubuntu 12.04
[03:17] <wilee-nilee> Martell, Ah good the easiest way would be a lighter desktop probably there is xubuntu and lubuntu, lubuntu runs lightest of these.
[03:17] <Noobuntu> any idea whats the default password for 'postgres' superuser that gets installed by metasploit?
[03:17] <Tohuw> redwarriors25: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> Martell, I have a lesser dual core and 2 gigs ram and am running 32 bit it runs quite fast.
[03:18] <redwarriors25> im hard to copy the files from my other disk going to here in ubuntu
[03:18] <Tohuw> Noobuntu: #metasploit
[03:18] <Martell> wilee-nilee : lol i already installed everything, any way to tweak ubuntu 11.04 maybe
[03:19] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Is there any way to change the sda number of partitions? Mine is missing sda4 and it's bugging the OCD part of my brain.
[03:19] <Tohuw> redwarriors25: man scp
[03:19] <WeThePeople> tohuw, will it delete my files or somthin
[03:19] <Noobuntu> Tohuw: nope :(
[03:20] <wilee-nilee> Martell, Less stuff running is how you start there a few things that you can turn off in the startup app, this will only have a slight effect though.
[03:20] <redwarriors25> done installing ssh
[03:20] <redwarriors25> im hard to copy the files from my other disk going to here in ubuntu
[03:20] <KBentley57> Hey guys.  I've got ubuntu running on a box, and lately I've seen a lot of failed ssh login attempts in /var/log/auth.log.  I know the ip that keeps trying to brute in, is there anything I can do beyond contacting the hosting company to let them know about it?
[03:20] <t0fu_ch0p> i
[03:21] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: The "device for bootloader installation" should display my harddrive size, correct?
[03:21] <hmmwhatsthisdo> and the drive's id label?
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, There is a drop down where it is listed, it should say sda and the gig amount and drive name I believe
[03:22] <hmmwhatsthisdo> and then, that will overwrite the default bootloader for W7, correct?
[03:22] <Tohuw> WeThePeople: executing  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will install the metapackage ubuntu-desktop. If packages this metapackage calls are missing, they will be installed. It will not alter the contents of your home directory, except perhaps to occupy some user-specific configuration directories with files dispensed by a package (example: ubuntu-desktop installs gconf, which creates the directory .gconf if it does not exist or if it does, checks to see if 
[03:22] <wilee-nilee> or computer name like acer, toshiba..etc hmmwhatsthisdo
[03:22] <Martell> wilee-nilee : i changed 11.04 to use classic version (is it gnome?) because i dont like unity
[03:22] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (though, it says ATA instead of SDA)
[03:23] <ParkerM> when I boot xubuntu 12.04 it hangs at "stopping save kernel messages." any idea what's causing that?
[03:23] <hmmwhatsthisdo> (but it still says /dev/sda)
[03:23] <wilee-nilee> Martell, Ah well I'm not really up on running gnome 2 on that distro, I forget when it was taken out.
[03:24] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, take a screen shot so we can tel if we are in the same place
[03:26] <Tohuw> Noobuntu: you can change the postgres root password. There may be consequences. It is also possible password authentication is not enabled, as this is the default behavior of postgresql-server out of the box in Ubuntu. See http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/auth-methods.html (or the appropriate variant for the version of postgresql server installed).
[03:27] <Devastator> to run ubuntu live, i download the actual installer and when it loads i choose "try ubuntu", is that it?
[03:28] <hmmwhatsthisdo> wilee-nilee: http://imgur.com/7xDPc
[03:28] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Devastator: yes
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, That is correct it says 500gis
[03:29] <WeThePeople> tohuw, ok, thanks
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> gigs*
[03:32] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, I see 2 ext4 partitions and a swap Is the a extended there as well that these partitions are in?
[03:32] <wilee-nilee> there*
[03:33] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, I'm so used to just installing I forget if the extended shows in that gui, I think it does though.
[03:33] <hmmwhatsthisdo> yes
[03:33] <Noobuntu> Tohuw: my problem is that when I installed metasploit, it came with its own postgresql installation
[03:34] <wilee-nilee> hmmwhatsthisdo, Cool just thought to look at the whole picture sense the info was there just wanted to male sure. ;)
[03:34] <wilee-nilee> make*
[03:34] <Noobuntu> now i managed to track the password which metasploit uses to connect, howeve, its not a super user. Postgres is the super user whose password I do not know and therefore i cannot make any changes to the database no
[03:35] <Tohuw> Noobuntu: Understood, but the documentation I linked still applies. You can check for the auth method in use and alter the password for postgres as needed.
[03:36] <Tohuw> Noobuntu: see also http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/auth-pg-hba-conf.html
[03:36] <Noobuntu> Tohuw: thank you, that was very resourceful. Let me try this.
[03:38] <excervo> hello guys, what command in terminal that shows list of all my hardware?
[03:39] <mindstorm> lspci
[03:39] <KBentley57> excervo, if you have it installed, sudo lshw
[03:39] <KBentley57> lspci will not show you all hardware
[03:39] <DeltaHeavy> Hey, my Ubuntu 12.04 running in Virtual Box crashed so I had to kill the virtualbox process as that's all I could do at that point. Now I'm at a 800x600 resolution, and don't know how to fix it. How can I get my resolution back?
[03:40] <excervo> thanks guys
[03:40] <WeThePeople> deltaheavy, xrandr --help
[03:41] <vicatcu> can someone offer me instructions (or a pointer to instructions) for setting up a tftp server on ubuntu?
[03:41] <DeltaHeavy> Also does anybody know how to run ddclient's graphicalish CLI menu to configure it?
[03:41] <DeltaHeavy> WeThePeople: THanks
[03:44] <storm-trooper> xubuntu vs lubuntu for eye candy?
[03:44] <DeltaHeavy> Xubuntu IMO
[03:46] <excervo> DeltaHeavy on ubuntu under preference you can configure monitor settings
[03:48] <hmmwhatsthisdo> That's... ODD.
[03:49] <hmmwhatsthisdo> The recovery partition doesn't boot, but W7 boots just fine.
[03:51] <ItaloPessoa> hi
[03:51] <ItaloPessoa> somebody could help me?
[03:51] <ItaloPessoa> with a ppa?
[03:51] <Tohuw> !help | ItaloPessoa
[03:53] <ItaloPessoa> I want upload a pack to a ppa repository, but I'm not getting
[03:53] <Tohuw> DeltaHeavy: man xrandr. You likely want xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 or so.
[03:53] <DeltaHeavy> Tohuw: Would it still be VGA in a VM?
[03:55] <ItaloPessoa> I build and sign the pack, whean make the upload I get the message: "Uploading linkorganizer_1.0.3.dsc: 125 Data connection already open, starting transfer"
[03:55] <Tohuw> DeltaHeavy: Likely. man xrandr. xrandr with no parameters will list the valid outputs.
[03:55] <pdtpatrick> Question - anyone run into this problem? http://pastie.org/4833371   … fglrx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable
[03:55] <Noobuntu> Tohuw: thanks a lot!! that worked :)
[03:55] <pdtpatrick> after upgrading to 12.10
[03:56] <Tohuw> ItaloPessoa: try #launchpad for your question
[03:56] <Tohuw> Noobuntu: you're welcome :)
[03:56] <Tohuw> pdtpatrick: #ubuntu+1
[03:56] <trigger_kill> Is 12.10 stable enough for a main os, or should I dualboot or wait till its released?
[03:57] <KBentley57> trigger_kill, 12.10 isn't stable, as it hasn't even been released yet.
[03:57] <Guest17872> a
[03:59] <DeltaHeavy> Tohuw: xrandr: cannot find mode 1920x1200              xrandr --output VBOX0 --mode 1920x1200
[03:59] <jvargas> hi.
[04:00] <jvargas> how do I install a specific package available in Quantal on a Precise system?
[04:00] <Tohuw> DeltaHeavy: it is possible whatever video driver it is using has a corrupted configuration, the device file is corrupted, or the driver is not installed. Try re-installing the guest extensions.
[04:01] <DeltaHeavy> First thing I tried doing was trying guest extensions. Crap =/ I was going to go to another distro anyway, might as well just re-install
[04:01] <Tohuw> jvargas: One does not simply backport into Mordor. Installing a package intended for a newer version may cause myriad side effects, and if it is created properly, will not allow installation at all, as the instructions in the package match it to the correct version. You are better off either compiling from source or waiting for the package to be backported.
[04:01] <Ramtron> Heyy, how do I get admin access to certain files in ubuntu?
[04:01] <Ramtron> Empathy for instance
[04:02] <Tohuw> Ramtron: What are you trying to accomplish?
[04:02] <KBentley57> Ramtron, if you want access to certain files, you can change the file permissions as super user with chmod
[04:02] <Ramtron> Deletion of a file
[04:02] <Ramtron> how do I do so?
[04:02] <jvargas> Tohuw: it's because of a known bug that was solved some days ago, people reported that by using the Quantal package into 12.04 worked seamesly. Is there a way to do it?
[04:04] <Tohuw> jvargas: Likely, the package needs to be modified. You may try downloading the package from packages.ubuntu.com, but install with care. man dpkg, search "dry run".
[04:04] <Ramtron> Anyone know how to gain super user access to files?
[04:04] <jvargas> Tohuw: thanks, i'll take a look
[04:05] <Tohuw> Ramtron: What files are you attempting to delete and why? I ask because it is not likely you need to delete Empathy's non-user-specific files. Regardless, to delete a file you do not own: sudo rm filename
[04:05] <KBentley57> Ramtron, sudo chmod 0777 user:group
[04:05] <Ramtron> thanks
[04:05] <KBentley57> Ramtron, that will get everyone access to the file.  I suggest you read up on linux permission structures
[04:05] <Ramtron> I'll just delete the single file then
[04:06] <KBentley57> Ramtron, it's a steep learning curve, but you can get very creative with the permissions.
[04:06] <Ramtron> interesting, how so?
[04:06] <somsip> Ramtron: you want to just delete one file as superuser?
[04:07] <Ramtron> yes
[04:07] <somsip> Ramtron: sudo rm {filename}
[04:07] <Ramtron> it's dumb, I just want this AIM icon to go away on my chat. if i delete the png, it'll go away, correct?
[04:07] <KBentley57> Ramtron, well, it's setup so that you can change specific permissions on directories, files within those directories, ect...
[04:07] <somsip> Ramtron: no idea. I don't use AIM chat
[04:07] <Tohuw> Ramtron: No, that is not the correct way to do it.
[04:07] <Ramtron> it's empathy in general
[04:07] <Ramtron> what's the correct way?
[04:07] <Tohuw> Ramtron: to disable icons in Empaty, modify the preferences to not show protocol icons
[04:08] <Tohuw> Deleting an asset of a program may cause unintended side effects.
[04:08] <Ramtron> So it's actually in the preferences? also "user group" not found, do i replace group with ramtron?
[04:10] <Ramtron> sudo chmod 0777 user:group isn't giving me superuser access.
[04:11] <KBentley57> Ramtron, it's a bit more complicated than what it seems.  user is your user name, group is the name of the group to which users belong.
[04:12] <Tohuw> Ramtron: Running "man chmod" in a terminal window will tell you more. The preference you're looking for in Empathy is no longer present, it seems. There was once an option to hide protocol options, it seems to have been redacted.
[04:12]  * CloudTao loves pie
[04:13] <maicod> hi i'm having trouble getting nfs to work. the server runs nfsd and I set /etc/exports but when I try to mount -t nfs IP:/share on a client the command hangs and times out . someone who knows nfs who can help ?
[04:14] <Ramtron> Sooooo, I'm not really following man chmod.. What do I replace 'group' with?
[04:15] <Tohuw> Ramtron: chmod is a utility to modify file permissions. chmod does not require specifying a user or group. That would be "chown", a utility for changing ownership of a file.
[04:15] <KBentley57> Ramtron, I think now that it's the wrong way to go about it.  If you really want to delete the file, just do it with sudo rm "filename".  The permissions thing is really more for denying or allowing users access
[04:16] <KBentley57> tohuw is right, I was mistaken with both commands
[04:16] <Ramtron> hmmmm, lemme give this a shot then
[04:17] <Ramtron> no such file or directory when i do sudo rm "im-aim.png"
[04:17] <sneakers> Hey guys. How do I burn a bootle iso to a flashdrive in ubuntu?
[04:17] <Ramtron> and man chmod doesn't give me much to go on
[04:17] <Tohuw> Ramtron: experiment like thus: in terminal, change to your home directory ("cd ~"). Now, create a simple text file (echo "hello world" > hello.txt). Now, observe the ownership of the file (ls -l hello.txt). You will see it is owned by your user, and whatever your user's primary group is (this is likely a group named after your user).
[04:18] <KBentley57> sneakers, I've had success using dd to write the image to a usb stick
[04:19] <Tohuw> Ramtron: now, try this: sudo chown root:root. This changes the file to be owned by the root user. Now, change the permissions so even you can't see it: sudo chmod 600. Executing ls -l now will show you the file belongs to root, and only the user root can read or write to it. Everyone else can't even open it.
[04:19] <Ramtron> -rw-rw-r-- 1 ramtron ramtron 12 Sep 28 00:18 hello.txt
[04:19] <Tohuw> Ramtron: There's more, but perhaps starting here is useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[04:20] <Tohuw> Sleep calleth.
[04:20] <Ramtron> I shall give it a read, thank you
[04:21] <sneakers> KBentley57: I don't know what that is. Is there any simple program for a dummy?
[04:22] <myk_robinson> whats the downside of using the default "one partition" versus manually partitioning like i used to?
[04:22] <KBentley57> sneakers,  dd is a built in utility in most linux systems that allows you to make a bit-for-bit copy of an image.  If you want something more user friendly, try the startup disk creator.  You may have to install it from the software center if it's not already there
[04:22] <KBentley57> Myk267, there are a few reasons one partition isn't the best idea
[04:23] <sneakers> KBentley57: thanks
[04:23] <myk_robinson> KBentley57: I normally dont use a single partition. Just installed Beta2 and it did this by default. I just wanted to see what it would be like from the standpoint of a rookie
[04:23] <briansv4o8> Hello.. I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. I tried downloading/installing ubuntu 12.10 Beta 2 on my Asus EEE PC 1025C (Intel GMA3600) .. the install runs through just fine, however after rebooting a blank screen appears with a blinking cursor, and then then never boots up.. any ideas?
[04:23] <KBentley57> Myk267, for one, if you must reinstall, all your data is lost without backups.  You can create separate partitions for /home, /, /boot, ect, and fix those partitions should anything come up
[04:24] <KBentley57> Myk267, it's not a linux specific idea, you can do this with most operating systems too
[04:24] <myk_robinson> KBentley57: it did LVM. Any way to repartition this live? If not, I can reinstall and set it up like I normally do
[04:24] <myk_robinson> I typically have a large /home partion, a swap, and about an 80GB / partition
[04:25] <KBentley57> myk_robinson, it's fine, I believe you can do it live now on EXT4, but I can't recall the commands, those will have to be sought out by the google machine
[04:25] <myk_robinson> KBentley57: installing a graphical lvm manager to play with. I backed up everything before starting anyway with the intention of wrecking this system :)
[04:25] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, have you tried pressing CTL+F1 to get to an xterm login?
[04:26] <KBentley57> myk_robinson, then by all means, throw a wrench into it! :)
[04:26] <briansv4o8> i just tried it right now.. negative
[04:27] <briansv4o8> i researched a bit on it, from what i read the latest kernel has issues with gma600 ? and GMA500 ?
[04:27] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, have you tried hitting shift while it's booting up to get to the grub menu, and trying the recovery option?
[04:27] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, I'm not sure, I don't have that hardware to try.  When you say latest, do you mean the stock ubuntu kernel, or are you compiling your own?
[04:28] <briansv4o8> stock
[04:28] <Ramtron> Anyone know of any good android IRC's?
[04:28] <myk_robinson> KBentley57: for whatever its worth, looks like it'll have to be done from a live disk, as it has to be unmounted to repartition. The graphical LVM manager is nice though
[04:28] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, can you get into an older kernel to see if it is infact the newer kernel causing the issues?
[04:29] <KBentley57> myk_robinson, too bad, I could have sworn it could be done live
[04:29] <myk_robinson> Really makes me wonder why they do it this way by default :(
[04:29] <myk_robinson> Probably because thats what a Windows user is used to anyway, the typical user would not understand partitioning
[04:30] <briansv4o8> well, with 12.04 my display is fine except with 12.04 i only get 800x600 resolution
[04:30] <briansv4o8> instead of 1024x768
[04:31] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, have you looked in synaptic for the gma driver?
[04:31] <shoemake> hey guys. What is the default root password when i am running the os on a live cd?
[04:31] <ray76> Hi everyone, does anyone know anything about a bug that freezes the mouse into a grab hand and locks it out of the system on xubuntu 12.04 ?
[04:31] <briansv4o8> if i could lol.... it doesnt even boot into gui
[04:31] <KBentley57> shoemake, I don't think there is a root password
[04:31] <shoemake> KBentley57: thanks
[04:32] <briansv4o8> stops at stopping saved kernel messages
[04:32] <mastershake> i <3 ubuntu
[04:32] <mastershake> just made the change from win7, ill never look back.
[04:32] <redwarriors25_> how can i copy for example in data in /var to the this by terminal
[04:32] <shoemake> mastershake: until there is a game you want to play that you can't emulate
[04:32] <mastershake> i want to learn everything but i find myself lost and overwhelmed
[04:33] <insmod> <redwarriors25 to what
[04:33] <mastershake> shoemake: nah, ill use wine for that
[04:33] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, there is alwas a way..ha.  have you tried to manually put a kernel in there?
[04:33] <mastershake> not much of a gamer
[04:33] <shoemake> mastershake: the first thing you need to know is to never 'sudo rm -f /' in terminal. Also wine emulates. You can't emulate things that you cant emulate
[04:33] <KBentley57> Wine is not an emulator
[04:33] <briansv4o8> lol, afraid not sir.. I never changed kernels before
[04:33] <briansv4o8> lol
[04:33] <shoemake> KBentley57: NO U
[04:33] <shoemake> NO ALL OF U
[04:34] <briansv4o8> i suppose i can just stick with LTS for now
[04:34] <briansv4o8> on the netbook
[04:34] <briansv4o8> but i still have to modify grub to blaklist poul.sbo
[04:34] <briansv4o8> to get the appropriate resolution
[04:34] <redwarriors25_> to the os ubuntu
[04:34] <mastershake> what does rm -f / do
[04:35] <mastershake> remove ... what?
[04:35] <shoemake> mastershake: it removes your root directory without question
[04:35] <KBentley57> it deletes everything
[04:35] <KBentley57> nuke from orbit
[04:35] <shoemake> ^
[04:35] <mastershake> thanks for that
[04:35] <shoemake> np
[04:35] <redwarriors25_> how can i copy for example in data in /var to the this by terminal
[04:36] <shoemake> cp
[04:36] <redwarriors25_> how can i copy for example in data in /var/ in other hardrive going to os ubuntu  the by terminal
[04:36] <mastershake> i figured the '/' character meant root-oriented
[04:36] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, your statement needs to be reworded, it isn't making much sense in english
[04:36] <ray76> no one here had the death grab mouse icon bug then ?? bugger
[04:36] <shoemake> KBentley57: what is reworded?
[04:37] <shoemake> oh
[04:37] <shoemake> hahahaha
[04:37] <mastershake> lol
[04:37] <redwarriors25_> how can i copy files in /var/data on other hardrive going to os ubuntu  the by terminal
[04:37] <KBentley57> nice
[04:37] <shoemake> I thought you were trying to say "rewarded"
[04:37] <redwarriors25_> how can i copy files in /var/data on other hardrive going to os ubuntu  the by terminal
[04:37] <redwarriors25_> is that make sense now?
[04:38] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, the command you need is cp.  cp will copy files from one location to another.
[04:38] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, I think I know what you mean
[04:38] <redwarriors25_> what does | mean
[04:38] <redwarriors25_> is that to? | ?
[04:38] <KBentley57>  the | is a pipe.  it transfers the output of one program to the input of another
[04:38] <mastershake> i think he wants to bring data from an old hdd to a new one with ubuntu on it.
[04:39] <stopgo> Hi, my webcam used to work, and no longer does. I believe I did an apt-get upgrade which may have caused the change, but I don't believe I upgraded anything relevant (I didn't upgrade the kernel or anything).
[04:39] <stopgo> When I plugged in my webcam before, the system would generate a file /dev/video0
[04:39] <redwarriors25_> the exact comand
[04:39] <stopgo> now it no longer does
[04:39] <_XMENDES> hi guys. im trying put 2 monitors on my desk .
[04:40] <stopgo> however, dmesg tells me the camera is at least being recognized: input: USB2.0 Camera as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.1/2-1.1:1.0/input/input18
[04:40] <_XMENDES> i execut nvidia-xconfig and Xorg.conf crashs
[04:40] <mastershake> stupid question- how do i defrag my hard drive in terminal?
[04:40] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, the command would be similar to sudo cp /mnt/"hard drive name" /var/data
[04:40] <stopgo> how can I go from having this /devices/... file to a /dev/video0 node?
[04:40] <somsip> mastershake: do you mean defrag or fsck?
[04:40] <_XMENDES> i have two vcars. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
[04:40] <KBentley57> where /mnt/"hard drive name"/...... is the mount point of the hard drive
[04:40] <briansv4o8> so bummed that my netbook doesnt like the new ubuntu
[04:41] <_XMENDES> and 00:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
[04:41] <_XMENDES> pls help
[04:41] <mastershake> somsip: the windows equivalent of Disk Defragmentor
[04:41] <KBentley57> briansv4o8, I'm sure it will be worked out soon
[04:41] <mastershake> somsip: also, what is fsck?
[04:41] <KBentley57> mastershake, ext4 does not need defragmentation
[04:41] <KBentley57> file system check
[04:41] <somsip> mastershake: for all of these answers and more http://www.howtogeek.com/115229/htg-explains-why-linux-doesnt-need-defragmenting/
[04:41] <_XMENDES> anyone?
[04:42] <myk_robinson> KBentley57: I'm still alive! Booted from my live usb, installed lvm in the package manager, and "fixed' it . Works great
[04:42] <KBentley57> _XMENDES, you have two via video cards?
[04:42] <_XMENDES> no.. one via and one nvidia
[04:42] <_XMENDES> and 00:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
[04:42] <_XMENDES> and 00:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
[04:42] <FloodBot1> _XMENDES: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:42] <_XMENDES> sorry
[04:43] <mastershake> so what are common preventive maintenance techniques i should practice on ubuntu to keep everything running the way it should?
[04:43] <redwarriors25_> how can i copy for example in data in /var to the this by terminal
[04:43] <KBentley57> _XMENDES, I see, sorry for the mixup.  I'm assuming you've plugged them both in, one to each monitor?
[04:43] <redwarriors25_> sudo: /mnt/sdb2: command not found
[04:43] <KBentley57> MasterOfDisaster, just keep it updated, there isn't much to rot
[04:44] <somsip> mastershake: other than keeping it updated, and gradually tweaking it to do what I want the way I want it to, I do nothing.
[04:44] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, you are on the right track.  have you mounted the hard drive?
[04:44] <_XMENDES> i plug one monitor on diferents vcards
[04:44] <redwarriors25_> its already mounted upon inserting the hardrive
[04:44] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, what is the mount point?
[04:44] <redwarriors25_> where i can see
[04:44] <mastershake> somsip: and updating by "sudo apt-get update" is the command, correct? I should run this command how often?
[04:45] <_XMENDES> im trying search for dualhead on ubuntu foruns..
[04:45] <_XMENDES> but nothing
[04:45] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, it is probably mounted in /mnt or in /media .  can you check those directories to see if it is mounted there?
[04:45] <somsip> mastershayes, but that just refreshes the local list of the versions of packages. To actually download and install them, sudo apt-get upgrade. I do this daily
[04:45] <KBentley57> you have to run sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:47] <redwarriors25_> its in devices
[04:47] <_XMENDES> i see on the Xorg.conf . nvidia-settings is installing his driver on vga vcard.
[04:47] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, can you give me the full mount path?
[04:48] <stopgo> I'll try to rephrase my question. What is responsible for creating the /dev/video0 node on a webcam plugin?
[04:48] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, you are correct.  the hard drive itself is listed in /dev, but it's not the same as the mount point
[04:49] <KBentley57> can you open disk utility?
[04:49] <redwarriors25_> yes
[04:50] <redwarriors25_> what will i do
[04:50] <KBentley57> open disk utility, and on the left should be a list of all the devices connected to your computer.  Click on the hard drive and see if it is mounted
[04:51] <_XMENDES> anyone?
[04:51] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, if it is mounted, the mount point will be listed below the huge grey bar
[04:51] <KBentley57> if not, you can click on "mount volume" and it will mount it for you
[04:52] <shoemake> ok guys. So, I am wanting to set up and IRC server on the live cd. Are there any tutorials? Yes I did google, it didnt work out
[04:55] <redwarriors25_> oh ic
[04:55] <KBentley57> shoemake, I'm sure there are.  Might have to keep digging.
[04:55] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, did you find it?
[04:56] <redwarriors25_> is this file:///media/de360cd5-d197-41da-a0d5-fc548f92a45f
[04:57] <KBentley57> yes, that seems ok
[04:57] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, so you will need to do the command sudo cp /media/de360cd5-d197-41da-a0d5-fc548f92a45f/var/data /var/data
[04:58] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, you may have to do sudo cp -r and then the command
[04:58] <KBentley57> -r stand for recursive copying
[04:58] <redwarriors25_> ok il try
[04:59] <redwarriors25_> the how the commands for destination
[05:01] <redwarriors25_> sudo cp -r /media/de360cd5-d197-41da-a0d5-fc548f92a45f/var/data | /dev/sdb1 missing operand
[05:02] <KBentley57> no use for the |
[05:02] <redwarriors25_> ok
[05:02] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_,  the destination is your own /var/data, correct?
[05:03] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, or are you just wanting to copy that folder from the 2nd hard drive, to some new location on your hard drive?
[05:03] <redwarriors25_> yes
[05:04] <KBentley57>  sudo cp -r /media/de360cd5-d197-41da-a0d5-fc548f92a45f/var/data /new/location
[05:05] <KBentley57> the first location is where to copy from, the second location is where to copy to
[05:05] <KBentley57> to place it into your documents, try
[05:05] <KBentley57>  sudo cp -r /media/de360cd5-d197-41da-a0d5-fc548f92a45f/var/data ~/Documents/VAR_DATA
[05:06] <redwarriors25_> the first command was the source ryt followed by destination
[05:07] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, correct
[05:08] <redwarriors25_> but cant copy all
[05:08] <redwarriors25_> because the source was hve a linux debian lenny
[05:08] <KBentley57> hve?
[05:09] <redwarriors25_> stil blank in terminal is that copying?
[05:09] <redwarriors25_> still copying
[05:09] <KBentley57> yes, it is copying
[05:09] <redwarriors25_> still copying?
[05:09] <KBentley57> yes
[05:09] <KBentley57> can you hear the hd thrashing around?
[05:09] <redwarriors25_> oh ic
[05:09] <redwarriors25_> thanks for that
[05:09] <redwarriors25_> :D
[05:10] <KBentley57> you're welcome.  Sorry it took so long.  I know language can be a barrier.
[05:10] <redwarriors25_> ahaha
[05:10] <redwarriors25_> wrong grammar?
[05:10] <KBentley57> not too bad :)
[05:10] <redwarriors25_> hehe
[05:11] <KBentley57> anyways, I'm out.  It's bed time
[05:11] <redwarriors25_> the thing is why i copy those files because i wanna try ubuntu as a web server
[05:11] <KBentley57> I see.  It should be very similar to debian
[05:11] <redwarriors25_> last question
[05:11] <Shazer[2]> Hey guys.
[05:11] <KBentley57> sure
[05:12] <Shazer[2]> Is there an apt-get for java?
[05:12] <redwarriors25_> how to access .htaccess
[05:12] <chew-z> what would be faster computer?   #1 fastest supercomputer in 1990 that USA government uses  or  2012 desktop-home-computer
[05:12] <KBentley57> wordpress?
[05:12] <redwarriors25_> is that for me?
[05:12] <Shazer[2]> Anyone?
[05:12] <blackshirt> shazer2,what you mean?
[05:12] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, yes.  I've only had to deal with .htaccess a few times, it was a pain
[05:13] <Shazer[2]> blackshirt, I need Java to run Minecraft...
[05:13] <KBentley57> Shazer[2], openjdk?
[05:13] <Shazer[2]> KBentley57, what's the command for it?
[05:13] <redwarriors25_> :D
[05:13] <redwarriors25_> so what should i do about .htaccess where i can find it?
[05:13] <blackshirt> shazer[2],actually there are some java version available on repo
[05:14] <somsip> redwarriors25_: it's in a directory that you want it to act on. Eg: webroot
[05:14] <KBentley57> redwarriors25_, I can't really answer that.  All I did was google answers until i got it working :)
[05:14] <blackshirt> !info java
[05:14] <somsip> !info openjdk
[05:14] <blackshirt> !info jre
[05:14] <somsip> oh
[05:14] <Shazer[2]> See, :/
[05:14] <KBentley57> !info openjdk-7-jre
[05:15] <KBentley57> :)
[05:15] <redwarriors25_> :D
[05:15] <redwarriors25_> ic2
[05:15] <Shazer[2]> Is that all I need?
[05:15] <redwarriors25_> thanks
[05:15] <somsip> we have a winner!
[05:15] <KBentley57> I believe so
[05:15] <redwarriors25_> google is there the thing is on how you can understand those infossssss
[05:15] <redwarriors25_> hehe
[05:15] <blackshirt> redwarriors25_ what you want to do with .htaccess
[05:15] <KBentley57> you're welcome.  I'm out guys.  have a good evening
[05:16] <redwarriors25_> ok2
[05:18] <chew-z> what would be faster computer?   #1 fastest supercomputer in 1990 that USA government uses  or  2012 $1000 desktop-home-computer
[05:18] <somsip> !ot | chew-z
[05:21] <briansv4o8> does anyone know if the final version of ubuntu 12.10 be compatible with Intel GMA 3600 graphics? so far with beta 2, no dice.. :/
[05:21] <blackshirt> chew-z, thats nit important,they are living on different times
[05:25] <MorpheusChalice> I want to install gnome-shell on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64bit installation but when I try to install it via synaptic, I get an error that reads "Fix Broken Packages First." But while trying to fix broken packages, I get the error "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." How do I fix the broken packages?
[05:26] <piecemkr> MorpheusChalice: "aptitude -f"
[05:28] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: server ISO?
[05:28] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, desktop.
[05:29] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: ok - was just looking through this that might be worth reading: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1994980
[05:29] <MorpheusChalice> Thank you, I'll check that.
[05:32] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: I had to take this approach when something messed up on install - editing the dpkg/status file to make dpkg think that a package was not really installed: http://www.iasptk.com/ubuntu-fix-broken-package-best-solution
[05:32] <MorpheusChalice> I'll check with that, somsip. Thank you.
[05:33] <MorpheusChalice> Well, somsip, Initially, after an upgrade gnome-shell-3.4 had a few bugs like the libnotify didn't show up any text, so I decided to downgrade it, but I had a few problems so I decided to uninstall gnome-shell completely and re-installing it via gnome-fallback.
[05:34] <MorpheusChalice> But apparently, now that I try to do it, it shows up broken packages that need to be resolved prior to an installation, somisp.
[05:34] <MorpheusChalice> * somsip
[05:34] <somsip> !tab | MorpheusChalice
[05:35] <piecemkr> MorpheusChalice: try "aptitude -f"
[05:35] <MorpheusChalice> xD.
[05:35] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: that sounds rather ugly. What do you get with apt-get install -f?
[05:35] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, I am using XChat. =).
[05:35] <MorpheusChalice> I did a tab, but I was too lazy to tab-cycle.
[05:35] <MorpheusChalice> So typed it out instead.
[05:35] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: k
[05:36] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, aptitude -f's output is ah... well, it's not a verbose output, it shows up a GUI interface in a CLI window.
[05:36] <MorpheusChalice> Installed packages - 2309, Obsolete Packages - 1.
[05:36] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: I'm not suggesting using aptitude. Paste text output in pastebin
[05:36] <somsip> !pastebin | MorpheusChalice
[05:37] <MorpheusChalice> Well, somsip, aptitude -f doesn't give a verbose output.
[05:37] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: use what I suggested then - sudo apt-get install -f
[05:37] <MorpheusChalice> I'll try that.
[05:38] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, everything seems fine.
[05:38] <MorpheusChalice> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded, somsip.
[05:39] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: and what do you get when you try to install...whatever it was you were trying to install...with apt-get?
[05:40] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, I'll pastebin you the output.
[05:41] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, http://pastebin.com/0tz6EQbv
[05:42] <jalexandru> Hi, I have an issues with libreoffice or with rights over files .... anybody can help? if I open a file from my desktop with libreoffice and I want to save it it's not allowing me to save, only save as. If I do Save As ... and want to save any other modification, again I can't use the save option and I have to "Save as" again ... it looks like rights issue but if I try with geditor everything works ok ... any help big appriciation
[05:43] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: MorpheusChalice try: sudo apt-get purge gnome-shell; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[05:43] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, did you set permissions for the file to be read, written and executed, jalexandru?
[05:44] <MorpheusChalice> You can do this by right clicking on the file in nautilus, navigating to the tab "permissions", and check "Read" and "Write".
[05:44] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, let me check.
[05:44] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: I see it doesn't have "execute" checked .... it needs that one?
[05:44] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: there is the option of doing an autoremove after the purge, but that could have other effects
[05:45] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, is the file you're trying to execute an executable file, such as a shell script or a perl script?
[05:45] <MorpheusChalice> Thank you, somsip, I'll note that down, just in case.
[05:46] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: it's a .doc file ... I have issues only with files opend by libre office from what I've noticed ...
[05:46] <MorpheusChalice> No, somsip, still no luck. What I conclude is that it's dependencies are of versions lower than the required minimum, and they couldn't be updated.
[05:46] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, are you sure read and write are checked?
[05:46] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: yes, I've even set the file to be 777 and still no luck ...
[05:47] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: this is all from official repos yes? Nothing from PPAs or other sources?
[05:47] <MorpheusChalice> Well, ricotz PPA, somsip.
[05:47] <MorpheusChalice> The PPAs though did work fine till the last few times.
[05:47] <MorpheusChalice> And I usually don't install updates from third-party PPAs.
[05:47] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: ouch. I should have asked that first I suppose
[05:47] <somsip> !ppa | MorpheusChalice
[05:47] <MorpheusChalice> Do you suggest I purge the existing PPAs?
[05:48] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: You migth have to purge the other packages causing problems, and maybe get messy in /var/lib/dpkg/status to delete entries. I've done this once and it was not enjoyable, but got there in the end
[05:48] <MorpheusChalice> I'll dive into that, see if I can find a bone.
[05:49] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: definitely remove the PPA until you have this resolved as I guess that is serving versions that are conflicting
[05:49] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: it's the sort of approach described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1965486.html
[05:50] <MorpheusChalice> Thank you very much for the link.
[05:50] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: not sure how much this will all help. The general info may help, but you're probably going to need to hack things about a bit to get to where you want to be
[05:50] <blackshirt> good luck
[05:51] <somsip> blackshirt: yeah :) It's rewarding to solve one of these though
[05:53] <ejo> Ubuntu 12.04 here... deja-dup backup to Ubuntu One has been failing all day with error code 500
[05:54] <ejo> Looks like it's been a bug filed with no real progress since 2011?
[05:54] <ejo> Thing is, it works some days
[05:54] <ejo> I only have one backup folder locally and remotely... real simple setup, nothing confusing about it
[05:54] <MorpheusChalice> Well that did solve the problem, somsip, I purged the PPA, removed the broken packages from /var/lib/dpkg/status and /var/lib/dpkg/available, did an apt-get update, an apt-get dist-upgrade and re-added the the PPA. It now is downloaded other packages needed to complete the dependency. Thank you very very much for your assistance, somsip. =).
[05:54] <MorpheusChalice> That was really helpful. Thank you once again, somsip.
[05:58] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: woot - good one!
[06:00] <santosh> Which version of Python will Ubuntu 12.10 have?
[06:02] <MorpheusChalice> somsip, is there any way I can store the XChat configuration folder in a location other than the default one which is /home/.xchat2
[06:03] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: no idea - I don't use it
[06:03] <MorpheusChalice> I see. Pidgin, somsip?
[06:03] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: irssi
[06:03] <MorpheusChalice> That's a fairly good one. Classic.
[06:03] <IcemanV9> for 12.10: Python 2.7.3
[06:04] <MorpheusChalice> Hopefully, they'll migrate to 3.0 with the final release of Ubuntu 12.10, IcemanV9.
[06:04] <piecemkr> somsip: irssi is hard as heck to learn
[06:04] <MorpheusChalice> Or so they claim.
[06:04] <somsip> piecemkr: I learnt what I need to do and don't do much beyond that
[06:04] <IcemanV9> if it did not break other applications, MorpheusChalice
[06:05] <MorpheusChalice> IcemanV9, they also plan to keep 2.7 in the multiverse repository, so that shouldn't be a problem.
[06:05] <IcemanV9> indeed
[06:05] <santosh> Does anyone have idea which version of Python will Ubuntu 12.10 have?
[06:06] <MorpheusChalice> The 3.0 migration is going to take a while though. Probably with a lot of bugs.
[06:06] <tsimpson> !info python precise | santosh
[06:06] <MorpheusChalice> tsimpson, he meant 12.10
[06:06] <somsip> tsimpson: he's asking about 12.10
[06:06] <MorpheusChalice> They'll have 3.0, santosh.
[06:06] <tsimpson> !info python oniric
[06:06] <tsimpson> gerr, I give
[06:07] <MorpheusChalice> Oneric? =S.
[06:07] <tsimpson> !info python oneiric
[06:07] <MorpheusChalice> santosh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsQPythonVersions could be of help.
[06:07] <MorpheusChalice> tsimpson, Ah... 12.10 is not Oneric Ocelot I believe.
[06:07] <MorpheusChalice> I am certain it has to be Quantal Quetzal, correct me if I am wrong though.
[06:07] <somsip> MorpheusChalice: no - it's the Q one. Quetzal something
[06:08] <MorpheusChalice> Well yes, you are correct, somsip.
[06:08] <tsimpson> http://packages.ubuntu.com/pytyhon
[06:08] <MorpheusChalice> tsimpson, that lists the current being used.
[06:09] <MorpheusChalice> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/FoundationsQPythonVersions, they'll ship Ubuntu 12.10 with Python 3, and include the earlier version in their multiverse repository, just in case someone might find it useful.
[06:09] <tsimpson> MorpheusChalice: it also lists for quantal, but my keyboard is dieing so I'm giving up
[06:09] <ejo> by 3.0 do you mean 3.x?
[06:09] <MorpheusChalice> xD, That's all right, mate. =). Me personally, I am a bit sceptic they'll make it by the month's end.
[06:09] <MorpheusChalice> Python 3.0 is still not mature. =\.
[06:10] <ejo> python is solidly on 3.2 now and 3.3 is soon
[06:10] <MorpheusChalice> ejo, 3.0 hopefully.
[06:10] <MorpheusChalice> All of their python applications are not ported to 3.2 as of yet, ejo, so it is very likely they'll be shipping Python 3.0.
[06:10] <DMMatt> Hi there... I just installed Ubuntu on my workstation, and plugged it into my LCD TV... Comes up fine, resolution is 1920x1080 which is the TV's max resolution, but the picture isn't full screen, should I be resolving this in the TV settings or the Ubuntu settings?
[06:11] <ejo> my impression was that no one is developing for python 3.0 currently...
[06:11] <crimsonmane> never use anything before it's third generation. be skeptical of everything in its fourth generation.
[06:11] <ejo> i get your general point though, for sure
[06:11] <MorpheusChalice> DMMatt, does your LCD monitor have an "Auto" button?
[06:11] <MorpheusChalice> ejo, well, 3.0 is pretty much complete with testing and everything.
[06:12] <MorpheusChalice> And dbus-python is still being developed for 3.2, along with other few applications.
[06:12] <MorpheusChalice> If they make it, they'll ship Ubuntu 12.10 with Python 3.2, which is a good thing.
[06:12] <DMMatt> It's a flat screen tv, I would have assumed since it was running at the TV's optimal resolution it would have been full screen. It's connected via DVI to HDMI cable
[06:12] <DMMatt> It has some options for overscan but it doesn't seem to let me set those
[06:13] <ejo> yes I would love to see python 3.2.  Really wasn't fully interested in developing for 3.x myself until 3.2
[06:13] <MorpheusChalice> You might need to check with your TV's manual.
[06:13] <MorpheusChalice> 3.2 is currently a bit bugged, ejo.
[06:13] <rhizmoe> by any chance does anybody know if it's possible to copy presets from handbrake to handbrakecli?
[06:13] <ejo> give me references and I'll gladly go away and read them!
[06:13] <MorpheusChalice> ejo, let me fetch you one quick. =).
[06:14] <ejo> thanks!
[06:14] <DMMatt> Ok... So if the tv manual says optimal res is 1920x1080, and that's what ubuntu is running it as, then it's most likely something I need to change in the tv settings
[06:14] <MorpheusChalice> ejo, http://mail.python.org/pipermail/new-bugs-announce/2011-March/010263.html .
[06:14] <MorpheusChalice> Sorry, took a while to copy and paste that. xD.
[06:14] <ejo> obviously I could JFGI but I'm curious to read one you suggest.
[06:14] <ejo> bah.
[06:15] <DMMatt> On another notes, I have a new linksys ae2500 USB wireless adapter, seems like this is a paper weight in linux, just in case someone was wondering ha
[06:15] <ejo> ok that was a "new bug report" from march 2011, not a tracker or anything ~
[06:15] <ejo> gonna drop this for now, talk to you at some later date
[06:15] <MorpheusChalice> ejo, certainly.
[06:15] <MorpheusChalice> God damn, only if I checked the date.
[06:16] <samholmes> $ sudo apache2 -k restart
[06:16] <samholmes> apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[06:16] <samholmes> What does this mean?
[06:16] <ikonia> samholmes: it means you've messed with your apache config and changed the user it runs as to a non-existant user
[06:17] <MorpheusChalice> samholmes, see if http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=804436 helps you.
[06:17] <MorpheusChalice> edit apache.conf and correct your user and group settings.
[06:17] <MorpheusChalice> I am almost sure they run as users or groups that are no more in the list of users. =).
[06:17] <ikonia> samholmes: if you've not messsed with your config, I'd be worried
[06:20] <zykotick9> rhizmoe: are they custom presets?  use "HandBrakeCLI -z" to list the built in ones.  good luck.
[06:24] <kyrix> is there a command that automatically restarts a command once it has failed, like a one time autorestart deamonizer?
[06:25] <rhizmoe> zykotick9: no, custom ones. i found you can export each to a .plist. looking up to see if that can be used now
[06:25] <ikonia> kyrix: it depends on the type of command, there are tools like svc
[06:26] <kyrix> ikonia, its a rsync command, that keeps on failing but can continue ok once it is restarted
[06:26] <ikonia> kyrix: that makes no sense, why is it failing
[06:27] <kyrix>  error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(605) [receiver=3.0.9]
[06:27] <kyrix> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (833329 bytes received so far) [generator]
[06:27] <kyrix> rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(605) [generator=3.0.9]
[06:27] <ikonia> kyrix: that's not a reason, that's just an error code
[06:27] <ikonia> kyrix: you need to fix that
[06:28] <kyrix> ikonia, i just need to fetch those files before the server is decommisoned
[06:29] <ikonia> kyrix: ?? and ?
[06:30] <kyrix> ikonia, what do you not understand? i could start debugging the network, but the files i am trying to fetch will probably already be here by the time i find an answer ;)
[06:31] <kyrix> error comes every 3 to 5 minutes
[06:31] <qgil> Hi, I was trying to upgrad to Quetzal but things have gone terribly wrong. Update Managr broke in the middle of things, had to continue with apt-get.
[06:31] <ikonia> kyrix: then just sit there watching it and restart it
[06:31] <qgil> I can access only consol. There is no ubuntu-dsktop installed at all and it won't installd due to brokn packages, unmet dependencies
[06:31] <kyrix> ikonia, could do that, but thats why i asked if there is some cmdline tool that would do that for me ;)
[06:31] <ikonia> qgil: where is there no ubuntu-desktop installed
[06:32] <ikonia> kyrix: you could try svc, but it will take time and effort to set it, and you've just told me you don't have time, so just get on with manually doing it
[06:33] <nigweth> Is downgrading to ubuntu jaunty the only easy way how to get hw acceleration working on a radeon9200?
[06:33] <kyrix> ikonia, hmm, its a python 5 liner, so ill just go ahead and write it ;) thx anyways.
[06:34] <ikonia> nigweth: you can't downgrade
[06:34] <ch33z> Hello
[06:34] <ch33z> yup
[06:34] <ch33z> the drives are under "/media/drive"
[06:34] <ch33z> but, they dont show when i mount the address
[06:34] <qgil> ikonia, I can't install ubuntu-desktop or gdm. Chasing unmet dependies I end up .g. here: libgtk-3-0: Depends libgtk-3-common (= 3.5.18-0ubuntu3) but 3.6.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[06:34] <ch33z> just shows the desktop files
[06:34] <FloodBot1> ch33z: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:34] <ikonia> qgil: why are they not there in the first place
[06:34] <nigweth> i mean... installing an obsolete release...
[06:35] <ikonia> nigweth: if you think that's the best thing to do, do it
[06:35] <qgil> ikonia because update manager crashed, I had to continue to apt-get -f dist-upgrade in order to move forward
[06:35] <ikonia> qgil: is this part of an upgrade ?
[06:35] <qgil> yes, from P to Q
[06:35] <ikonia> qgil: so you're moving to the 12.10 platform ?
[06:35] <qgil> ikonia I just followed the steps to upgrade from 12.04 to Quetzal beta
[06:35] <trshow> a 10 year younger version of the mona lisa- also painted by da vinci was discovered
[06:36] <ikonia> qgil: in that case, I'm not going to progress this, as if you're moving to the development platform you should be "ok" with dealing with basic package manager issues,
[06:37] <qgil> ikonia, and I'm ok dealing with apt-get, console, etc. I'm just reporting that according to apt-get there are conflicting dependencies in the quetzal repositories, and this is why I can't move forward
[06:37] <nigweth> how about installing apps (i.e. wine) on obsolete releases? is it still possible and painless via any archived repos?
[06:37] <ikonia> qgil: reporting it to who ?
[06:37] <ikonia> qgil: if you know how to fix it, just fix it and carry on
[06:37] <qgil> ikonia and I was wondering if anybody else has found this problem
[06:38] <ikonia> qgil: no, the upgrade process works fine if it doesn't crash, the reason you'll have unmet dependencies is due to the incomplete state
[06:38] <qgil> er... ikonia, reporting here and now to whoever is interested
[06:38] <ikonia> qgil: no-one here can "fix" that if it was a genuine bug, you'd need to log a bug
[06:39] <karthick87> I am running 12.04 x64 server on ext4 disk. There are two user groups 'A' and 'B'. For a specific directory, I would like to give its all permissions to user group 'A'. Also I would like to give only 'write' permission to user group 'B'. A user of 'B' should only be allowed to write a file or create directory in the directory. How can i do this ???
[06:39] <qgil> ikonia, after the crash a bug was reported. Now I'm seeking advice to move away from the incomplete state. I find weird that dist-upgrade has nothing to update yet there are conflicting package versions required for something as fundamntal as gtk libraries
[06:40] <ikonia> qgil: you just said you where fine resolving it
[06:40] <qgil> ok ikonia, thank you for your help  :)
[06:40] <ikonia> qgil: no sure why you find it weird, it's in an incomplete state,
[06:41] <qgil> ikonia, are you familiar with repository and package management? Everything should be consistent within the Quetzal repositories, no matter in which point of the upgrade someone is
[06:41] <ikonia> qgil: yes, not if it crashed in the middle of the u pgrade
[06:41] <ikonia> qgil: because it will have packages from both repos
[06:41] <superfake123> is there a way to edit the items in the power kog drop down menu?
[06:42] <nigweth> nevermind, found a thread about obsolete releases... Many thanks ikonia
[06:44] <MACscr> can i switch from a non LTS release to an LTS release?
[06:44] <qgil> ikonia then how do you explain this when trying to install libgtk-3-0 from Quetzal repositories: "Depends libgtk-3-common (= 3.5.18-0ubuntu3) but 3.6.0-0ubuntu2 is to be installed". Isn't this an inconsistency in the rpository, unrelated to my briken installation?
[06:44] <ikonia> MACscr: sure thing
[06:44] <ikonia> qgil: nope
[06:45] <ikonia> qgil: also keep in mind that you are using a development release, it's packages will break from time to time while being updated
[06:45] <MACscr> ikonia: so do i just upgrade to 12.04, then change the /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades Prompt to lts?
[06:45] <ikonia> !upgrade | MACscr
[06:46] <MACscr> lol, i know how to upgrade
[06:46] <ikonia> MACscr: then why are you asking ?
[06:46] <qgil> ikonia this is a beta 2 announced yesterday...
[06:46] <ikonia> qgil: so ?
[06:46] <qgil> anyway, let me look at the repos online
[06:46] <MACscr> ikonia: i asked a different question
[06:46] <ikonia> MACscr: no you didn't
[06:47] <ikonia> MACscr: if you READ the URL I have you, it shows you how to move between LTS->non-LTS, and non-LTS->LTS
[06:49] <superfake123> anyone know how I can get a griffin powermate to work on ubuntu?
[06:49] <ikonia> superfake123: sadly don't even know what griffin powermate is
[06:50] <karthick87> I am running 12.04 x64 server on ext4 disk. There are two user groups 'A' and 'B'. For a specific directory, I would like to give its all permissions to user group 'A'. Also I would like to give only 'write' permission to user group 'B'. A user of 'B' should only be allowed to write a file or create directory in the directory. How can i do this ???
[06:50] <MACscr> ikonia: thanks. looks like it was exactly what i had just asked
[06:51] <superfake123> it's a usb input device, used for controlling system volume etc
[06:55] <piecemkr> ¹~~~~~~~
[06:57] <qgil> ikonia thank you, you were right. I removed libgtk-3-common and now at least I can install gdm
[07:05] <Ascavasaion> Silly question perhaps hehe  I have three hard disks in my computer.  the first is the one with Linux on it.  The other two are formatted ext4 and are empty.  When I open them in file manager PCmanFM they are mounted, but there is no line in /etc/fstab and no directories made in /media or in /mnt.  Where do they get mounted?
[07:07] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: fstab should not be mounted, and they are mounted in userspace for your user
[07:07] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: I don't actually know what PCManFM is - so I can't be clear to you about how it displays them to you
[07:07] <somsip> Ascavasaion: In Edit, Preference, Volume Management you probably have automount turned on
[07:07] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: Um, so how do I mount and browse them if I have SSHed into that machine?
[07:07] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: PCmanFM = nautilus in Ubuntu.  Sort of hehe
[07:07] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: what do you mean "sort of"
[07:07] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: either it's nautilus, or its not
[07:08] <ikonia> what is it
[07:08] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: Well, it is not Nautilus, it is a similar file manager.
[07:08] <somsip> Ascavasaion: if you 'mount' in terminal you will see the mount points for each drive
[07:08] <ikonia> !info PCManFM
[07:08] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: ok, so that pakage doesn't appear to be in the ubuntu repos, so don't know where you got it or what it does
[07:09] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: if they are already mounted in a file manager, it will be mounted in userspace in your gfs directory
[07:09] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: if you want to mount them "system wide" then you need to manually mount them
[07:09] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: Exactly... they are not mounted.  When you open them in the file manager it mounts them.
[07:09] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: Aaaaah, okay.
[07:10] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: So I need to create two entries in fstab?
[07:11] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: you could just manually mount them
[07:11] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: no need to fstab them unless you feel it's needed
[07:11] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: Okay, I have done that, thank you :)  I thought there would be a directory somewhere waiting for the file manager to mount them like /media/sdb1.
[07:11] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: there is.....if you do it that way
[07:11] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: it's all down to how you manage it
[07:12] <somsip> Ascavasaion: pcmanfm mounts in /media, but creates a dir according to UUID or volume label
[07:12] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: It is just that I wanted to log into them from wife's Windows 7 machine using samba shares, and it would then need a place to be mounted.
[07:12] <Ascavasaion> somsip: Ooooooh, okay.
[07:12] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: and not use user space
[07:12] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: ok, then you need to mount them system wide
[07:12] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: I would suggest putting static mount options in place in /etc/fstab
[07:12] <somsip> Ascavasaion: if they are permanent in the machine, easiest to fstab them
[07:13] <qgil> ikonia... and after removing a couple more packages I could install ubuntu-desktop. Running now, and Update Manager seems to be taking care of the rest as we type. Thank you very much again.
[07:13] <Ascavasaion> ikonia: Cool... so mkdir /media/sdX1 for both and then two lines in /etc/fstab I presume?
[07:13] <Ascavasaion> Terrific, thank you guys!
[07:13] <ikonia> Ascavasaion: however you want to name them
[07:14] <somsip> Ascavasaion: yeah - /media/videos may be simpler than /media/sdc3
[07:14] <Ascavasaion> somsip: I hear you.  thank you.
[07:14] <adas> sup
[07:15] <adas> anyone ever had trouble installing sysstat before?
[07:16] <beboj> Exception TypeError: 'join() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)' in <module 'threading' from '/usr/lib/python2.7/threading.pyc'> ignored
[07:16] <beboj> /usr/share/playonlinux/playonlinux: line 138: python2.6: command not found
[07:17] <beboj> anyone had this issue with playonlinux
[07:17] <beboj> ?
[07:17] <adas> anyone use sysstat before?
[07:17] <ikonia> beboj: you don't have python2.6 installed
[07:17] <ikonia> adas: just ask the question
[07:18] <adas> my question is how can I install sysstat properly?
[07:18] <ikonia> !info sysstat
[07:19] <ikonia> adas: open the package manager, search for sysstat package, click install
[07:19] <adas> tried to install using apt-get/synaptic but I get error 1
[07:19] <ikonia> adas: you need to be precise with the error
[07:19] <adas> tried that but install fails
[07:19] <adas> I will post exact error
[07:19] <ikonia> please use a pastebin
[07:20] <adas> sure thing
[07:20] <adas> thanks ikonia
[07:20] <adas> do you guys like the new amazon adds in ubuntu?
[07:20] <ikonia> adas: that is nothing to do with support
[07:20] <ikonia> adas: post your error in a pastebin so we can resolve your issue
[07:21] <adas> ok..sorry for making conversation
[07:21] <Ascavasaion> Nobody likes ads.
[07:21] <ikonia> that is not for this channel
[07:23] <deav> When I first booted Ubuntu 12.04 I got the "fancy" login screen (dynamic user BG, effects, 3d-style). When I rebooted, I lost that and now have the 2d-style login screen (default wallpaper, 2d-style user list). Why is this?
[07:24] <ikonia> adas: got that error pastebin yet ?
[07:24] <adas> anyone know why I cant copy out of synaptic details screen
[07:24] <ikonia> adas: please type "sudo apt-get install sysstat" and pastebin the output if it's an error
[07:25] <nsudo> pdf editor for ubuntu???
[07:26] <foobArrr> my internal intel graphics (hd 3000) are giving me trouble and I'm thinking about buying a dedicated graphics card. what works better on linux, nvidia or amd/ati?
[07:27] <ikonia> foobArrr: it's swings and round abouts, different people, different views
[07:27] <ikonia> foobArrr: just research the card you want to buy, before you buy it
[07:27] <jalexandru> I use ubuntu 12.04 and can't use the "save" in libre office only once, then I need to use "save as" ending up with  multiple files.I've checked file permision and the file is owned by my user so I should have read+ write rights any help is appriciated
[07:27] <adas> sorry for delay
[07:27] <foobArrr> ikonia: k, thanks
[07:27] <adas> I'm removing and reinstalling, force, just so you could see the first exact eror
[07:27] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, are you trying to save your file on a location where you don't have rights to save in?
[07:28] <MorpheusChalice> Such as /root ?
[07:28] <segv> hey guys any of you know something like conky, I want to just display my rss feeds like conky in widget form or like conky
[07:28] <ikonia> adas: that's not what I asked
[07:28] <MorpheusChalice> You might want to try running libre office as root.
[07:28] <segv> without having to do the conky setup, i'm lazy ;)
[07:28] <ikonia> adas: I asked you to do "sudo apt-get install sysstat" and give me the output
[07:28] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: no, I'm trying on my desktop
[07:28] <adas> its coming
[07:28] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, I see. Could you open libre office through terminal using the command sudo?
[07:28] <MorpheusChalice> Let me know if that lets you save files, jalexandru.
[07:28] <Eesty> hello
[07:28] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: 2 sec
[07:28] <ikonia> adas: no, you've done something different, you've removed and done a force ??? that's not what I asked
[07:29] <ikonia> adas: I can't be bothered to help you any more, if you don't give me the info I asked for and give me info you think I want
[07:29] <adas> im giving you what you want
[07:29] <adas> please hold
[07:29] <ikonia> adas: no, you're not
[07:29] <Eesty> Hello, I did something stupid. Can I get halp please
[07:29] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: I still don't have the save option (it's blur and I can't click it) even if I open libre office with sudo
[07:29] <ikonia> adas: I asked for the output of "sudo apt-get install sysstat" - you have done a remove and a force, not what I asked.
[07:29] <frank__> need help , want convert a mp4 file to  animated gif.  thx
[07:30] <ikonia> adas: someone else I'm sure will help you
[07:30] <Eesty> help! I destroyed my bootloader!
[07:30] <ikonia> Eesty: how ?
[07:30] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, that sounds rather weird. =\.
[07:31] <MorpheusChalice> Well, let me look into it, jalexandru.
[07:31] <jalexandru> MorpheusChalice: Thanks a lot for your time and help ...
[07:31] <Eesty> I accidentally my linux partition, and then I ran bootrec.exe /fixmbr in windows recovery after reading that would help. and after trying bootsect /nt60 all still ending up with grub revovery
[07:31] <somsip> jalexandru: start libre office and post the output of 'ps aux | grep libre'
[07:31] <Eesty> and now startup leaves me with a freaking 0xc000000f
[07:31] <ikonia> Eesty: what did you do to your linux partition ?
[07:31] <Eesty> file: \Boot\BCD
[07:32] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, no worries, thank me if I am able to help you out. By the way, this seems like a bug.
[07:32] <jalexandru> somsip: libre office should be started as root? with sudo? or start it regularly
[07:32] <adas> http://pastebin.com/kvyF3cm9
[07:32] <adas> there you go
[07:32] <Eesty> I accidentally all of it D:
[07:32] <somsip> jalexandru: for this test start it normally. And post 'pwd; ls -la'
[07:32] <MorpheusChalice> jalexandru, it must be started as a super user if the current user isn't allowed to write files onto a filesystem.
[07:32] <somsip> jalexandru: and the name of the file you are working on
[07:32] <ikonia> Eesty accidentally what ?
[07:32] <ikonia> Eesty: what did you do to it
[07:33] <Eesty> Deleted the partition
[07:33] <adas> ikonia did you get that?
[07:33] <ikonia> Eesty: ok, so you'll need to reinstall
[07:33] <Eesty> I extended a windows partition over the top of it
[07:33] <ikonia> adas: I told you, I'm not interested, someone else will help you
[07:33] <ikonia> Eesty: ok - so you'll need to re-install
[07:33] <Eesty> I need to fix the MBR so I don't fucking up my windows yo
[07:33] <adas> so why the f@ck do you wast my time them?
[07:33] <ikonia> Eesty: that language is unacceptable
[07:33] <ikonia> adas: that language is unacceptable
[07:34] <Eesty> ikonia: my apologies
[07:34] <adas> well why the heck do you waste my time then?
[07:34] <ikonia> Eesty: the guys in ##windows will help you resolve your windows boot loader issues
[07:34] <Eesty> id be fine reinstalling grub
[07:34] <Eesty> or fixing grub
[07:34] <ikonia> adas: I asked you for information, you did something else, you wasted my time so I don't want to progress it, I'm sure someone else will
[07:34] <Eesty> if it was feesable
[07:34] <ikonia> Eesty: grub won't work without your linux partition
[07:34] <ikonia> Eesty: you need to put the windows boot loader back
[07:35] <Eesty> I forgot, does ubuntu have a feature to shrink a windows partition to reinstall?
[07:35] <ikonia> Eesty: you can resize from a livecd, yes
[07:36] <Eesty> well right now I need to get a new linux image, can you suggest a really small one I can get really fast to simply install it for the bootloader so I can access my main computer for now?
[07:36] <Eesty> like, a small linux distro, that features shrinking
[07:36] <Eesty> like DSL, does that have the feature?
[07:36] <adas> ikonia, why are you so rude?
[07:36] <ikonia> Eesty: you shouldn't install linux for just the boot loader
[07:36] <ikonia> Eesty: the guys in ##windows can tell you how to put the windows boot loader back - easy and simple fix
[07:37] <ikonia> adas: please stop talking to me.
[07:37] <Eesty> I'm not just installing it for the bootloader -___-
[07:37] <adas> anyone know how to properly install sysstat?
[07:37] <ikonia> Eesty: you just said it was so you can access the boot loader
[07:37] <Eesty> I need to back up my stuff
[07:37] <ikonia> Eesty: the best thing to do is put the windows MBR back on
[07:37] <jalexandru> somsip: here is the ps -aux result, what else should I provide? http://pastebin.com/fpRgwWPc
[07:37] <adas> I hate when people have sticks up there butts
[07:38] <Eesty> Windows people suck >:C I'm gonna put linux back on, I just dont wanna download a whole distro on this computer as I can't burn it to a cd I ave to use a USB
[07:38] <ikonia> Eesty: sorry we onlt support ubuntu here
[07:38] <somsip> jalexandru: are you on a live CD working on a mount disk?
[07:38] <superfake123> do you guys work for canonical or something?
[07:39] <ikonia> superfake123: mostly just people with free/spare time
[07:39] <Eesty> you ubuntu people sure are narcassistic about your OS
[07:39] <adas> exactly
[07:39] <ikonia> Eesty: ok, enough now. bye
[07:39] <jalexandru> somsip: nope been using this system for a while now, issues started yesterday.
[07:39] <Eesty> :P
[07:39] <Eesty> ikonia, you mod?
[07:39] <ikonia> Eesty: yes
[07:39] <somsip> jalexandru: ok - the first column should be your username, eg: mark      4000  0.0  0.0   9392   888 pts/6    S+   14:31   0:00 grep --color=auto apache
[07:39] <Marzata> Eesty: this is a support channel, please come to some other channel to discuss this
[07:40] <Eesty> im asking for support, thank you tho <3
[07:40] <ikonia> Eesty: we ONLY support ubuntu here
[07:40] <somsip> jalexandru: yours shows as 1001. I've only seen this before when viewing files on a mounted disk from a live cd where the owner of the file is not refelcted int he users on the live CD. If that makes sense
[07:40] <superfake123> can I edit the power kog drop down menu?
[07:40] <Eesty> what about... kubuntu?
[07:41] <ikonia> Eesty: yes we support that too
[07:41] <somsip> jalexandru: so what user are you logged in as?
[07:41] <superfake123> I just want to remove the 'software up to date' option
[07:41] <ikonia> Eesty: we support offiical ubuntu releases.
[07:41] <Eesty> oOoOo
[07:41] <Eesty> grub is a part of ubuntu correct?
[07:41] <sajan> any ubuntu expert users???????
[07:41] <ikonia> Eesty: correct
[07:41] <Marzata> and even Xubuntu
[07:41] <Eesty> it is an included package in ubuntu.
[07:41] <jalexandru> somsip: I understand what you  are saying .... I am logged in as "jalexandru" this user is a computer administrator...
[07:41] <Eesty> Yes, of course, all ubuntu and most linux distros are released with grub these days
[07:41] <ikonia> Eesty: correct
[07:41] <ikonia> sajan: just ask the question you need help with
[07:41] <Eesty> lilo is old and shitty
[07:41] <ikonia> Eesty: correct.
[07:42] <sajan> guys can anyone help me.........i just installed ubuntu today but find it hard to use
[07:42] <ikonia> sajan: good starting point, https://help.ubuntu.com - it will walk you through the basics of how to use it
[07:43] <sajan> i mean.....my cpu is always 100 %all time and its making system very slow
[07:43] <ikonia> sajan: ok, that's a different issue
[07:43] <ikonia> sajan: what processor do you have ?
[07:43] <somsip> jalexandru: so can you paste all together: ps aux (no hyphen); pwd; echo $HOME; ls -la
[07:43] <ikonia> sajan: how do you know it's %100 used
[07:43] <sajan> intel pentium dual core ....1.46.ghz and 2 gb of ram
[07:44] <somsip> jalexandru: sorry - ps aux | grep libre
[07:44] <ikonia> sajan: ok, how do you know it's %100 busy
[07:44] <sajan> my cpu fan rotates fully,..........so as per my windows experiance i can say that
[07:44] <auronandace> sajan: top
[07:44] <Marzata> sajan: what brand is that Lenovo?
[07:44] <ikonia> sajan: ok, so you don't know it's actually busy
[07:44] <ikonia> sajan: don't assume stuff unless you know
[07:44] <sajan> compaq
[07:44] <ikonia> sajan: do you know how to open a terminal ?
[07:45] <sajan> compaq presarion c7-00 noteboot
[07:45] <Marzata> yes, HP run hotter
[07:45] <ecthiender> sajan, your fan has nothing to do with that. you cant assume like that.
[07:45] <sajan> but its making laptop very hot...........
[07:46] <sajan> and how to make laptop running fast
[07:46] <ecthiender> sajan what ubuntu are you running?
[07:46] <ikonia> sajan: do you know how to open a terminal
[07:46] <sajan> 12.04 ubuntu 64 bit
[07:46] <sajan> yaa i know how to open terminal
[07:47] <ikonia> sajan: can you please type "top" in a terminal
[07:47] <sajan> ok i did
[07:47] <ikonia> sajan: look at the cpu line, and look at the "id" tab
[07:48] <ikonia> sajan: what number % is next to "id" on the cpu line
[07:48] <sajan> it shows 79 %
[07:48] <ikonia> sajan: ok, so it's %79 idle
[07:48] <ikonia> sajan: your cpu is not busy
[07:49] <jalexandru> somsip: ps aux | grep libre : http://pastebin.com/BB8VLr72; what else? pwd? and $HOME ls -la?
[07:49] <sajan> no its not ideeal.....its 83 %used
[07:49] <ikonia> sajan: no it's not
[07:49] <ikonia> sajan: it's idle
[07:49] <ikonia> sajan: the "id" tab means "idle"
[07:49] <ikonia> sajan: if it's %79 idle, it means it's %21 used
[07:49] <somsip> jalexandru: pwd && echo $HOME && ls -la
[07:50] <sajan> let me tell u perfect.............
[07:50] <jalexandru> somsip: http://pastebin.com/aVdpk8vT
[07:50] <somsip> jalexandru: ah - so because your username is more than 8 chars, it shows your uid instead on ps. That explains that
[07:51] <somsip> jalexandru: and what file are you editing
[07:51] <jalexandru> the file was on my desktop
[07:51] <jalexandru> should I try with one in my home folder?
[07:51] <sajan> its written like     CPU(s):- 89%
[07:51] <jalexandru> somsip: the file was on my desktop
[07:51] <jalexandru> somsip: should I try with one in my home folder?
[07:52] <auronandace> !screenshot | sajan
[07:52] <somsip> jalexandru: or you can ls -la Desktop and post that, then edit the file you want
[07:54] <jalexandru> http://pastebin.com/F81ptnu3 the file is 09.28Test.odt
[07:55] <sajan_> http://imagebin.org/230087
[07:55] <sajan_> image of cpu usage
[07:56] <auronandace> sajan: dropbox is the culprit there
[07:56] <somsip> jalexandru: so you open that in Writer, and the Save item is ghosted on the File menu?
[07:56] <cousteau> damn, now I want to know what was going on for the ban...
[07:57] <jalexandru> somsip: I've opened Writer and Save item with enabled "Save" option after that the "Save" is ghosted and un-clickble
[07:57] <sajan_> http://imagebin.org/230087
[07:58] <cousteau> Is manually changing /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth a good idea?
[07:58] <auronandace> sajan_: dropbox is using your cpu
[07:58] <cousteau> I want the text.plymouth theme rather than the default.plymouth one
[07:58] <sajan> http://imagebin.org/230087
[07:58] <sajan> here is screenshot
[07:58] <ikonia> sajan: dropbox is using your cpu
 sajan_: dropbox is using your cpu
[07:58] <ikonia> sajan: dropbox is using your cpu
[07:58] <auronandace> sajan: dropbox is using your cpu
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:59] <sajan> thanks..........how to stop it
[07:59] <ikonia> sajan: reboot
[07:59] <ikonia> sajan: then don't start dropbox
[07:59] <LorSamPau_w> kill it, kill it with fire
[07:59]  * cousteau would killall
[07:59] <AlphaNoob> Lol
[07:59] <sajan> how to kill apps in ubuntu
[07:59] <cousteau> sajan, maybe there's something like `sudo stop dropbox`, but I'm not sure
[07:59] <ikonia> sajan: there is the kill command, however I'd suggest actually trying to stop this properly
[07:59] <cousteau> (that's if dropbox is a service)
[07:59] <sajan> ok and can u tell me what was my cpu usage
[08:00] <somsip> jalexandru: and if you make another change to the doc, is the icon available again?
[08:00] <enyc> sajan: 'top' or equivalent program can show you
[08:00] <sajan> thanks @enyc
[08:00] <auronandace> enyc: he doesn't understand the output
[08:00] <RUCKER222> sajan: killall dropbox
[08:00] <sajan> is there and app
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> oO
[08:00] <ikonia> sajan: please stop
[08:00] <ikonia> sajan: fix drop box
[08:00] <ikonia> sajan: then your machine will work
[08:01] <cousteau> Apparently dropbox is not a service...  in that case I would do   killall dropbox
[08:01] <auronandace> sajan: listen to ikonia
[08:01] <jalexandru> somsip: yes it is .... lol ... how can I missed this .... thanks a lot for your time ..... and sorry for this ..
[08:01] <sajan> fix dropbox means        @ ikonia
[08:01] <cousteau> (killall won't totally kill dropbox, just tell it to stop)
[08:01] <somsip> jalexandru: LOL - sorry about the ps aux thing. Totally sidetracked by that.
[08:01] <ikonia> sajan: I would suggest rebooting your machine. re-run "top" and see if drop box is at the top again
[08:01] <ikonia> sajan: that would be the first thing to try
[08:01] <jalexandru> somsip: very good job..
[08:01] <somsip> jalexandru: though I think you should take a break now and bang your head on the desk repeatedly
[08:02] <cousteau> the dramatic solution would be   killall -KILL dropbox   but that would probably terminate it incorrectly, so I DO NOT recommend it
[08:02] <sajan> okk thanks..........i will be back after rebooting
[08:02] <jalexandru> somsip: already started...
[08:02] <somsip> jalexandru: :)
[08:02] <cousteau> `man dropbox` might have been a good idea too
[08:02] <cousteau> !man dropbox
[08:02] <ikonia> cousteau: why ?
[08:03] <cousteau> maybe it has a "stop" option or something
[08:03] <cousteau> ubottu, man dropbox
[08:03] <ikonia> cousteau: I don't want it stopped at this time, I'd like his machine rebooted so it's got a clean plate to actually troubleshoot it if it is a genuine problem
[08:03] <cousteau> bot!  don't ignore me!
[08:03] <cousteau> ikonia, oh ok
[08:03] <ikonia> cousteau: ubottu doesn't print man pages
[08:03] <auronandace> !brain | cousteau
[08:04] <atlef> !upgrade
[08:04] <cousteau> is there a bot that prints man pages?  I've seen that in quite a few bots...
[08:05] <cousteau> or is ubottu the only infobot here?
[08:05] <ikonia> cousteau: not in this channel, ubottu is the only info bot
[08:05] <Seveas> cousteau, there's no such bot in here
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> cousteau:there a nice thing showing man pages: your terminal :p
[08:05] <auronandace> cousteau: printing a manpage inside a channel would be flooding
[08:06] <cousteau> auronandace, of course, not ALL the manpage is printed...  only the URL, and sometimes the first parts of it
[08:06] <r00t_> Can anyone give advice on what might be slowing my copmuter down? 2ghz 750?ishmb ram yet this is running slower then XP. its a wubi install which i know isnt optimal but.. anywho somone told me it might be my graphics chipset:  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01
[08:06] <ikonia> look, it doesn't matter, there is no man bot - forget about it
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> r00t_:can you tell us what exactly goes 'slow'
[08:07] <cousteau> yes, ok, I get it
[08:07] <tsimpson> cousteau: there is http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ if you want online man pages
[08:07] <cousteau> tsimpson, yes, I'm looking at that right now
[08:08] <cousteau> (and yes, there's a `dropbox stop`...  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/dropbox.1.html  although ikonia has already made clear that wasn't what was looking for)
[08:09] <AlphaNoob> Jesus Christ change your name before asking a question like "why is my PC slow"
[08:09] <rp2> hello ... I just found out the package vcg disappeared after hardy ... how do I best find out why?
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> !info vcg | rp2
[08:09] <r00t_> lotuspsychje, everything. switching between 2 tabs in firefox,the time span it takes the "start" menu to apear after clicking,switching windows. everything. and its a fresh install with only xchat and restricted extras added.
[08:10] <sajan> http://imagebin.org/230089
[08:10] <rp2> lotuspsychje: ?
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> r00t_:32 bit? precise 12.04.1?
[08:10] <cousteau> does "750?ishmb" mean "around 750 MB"?
[08:10] <sajan> http://imagebin.org/230089                 @ikonia
[08:10] <cousteau> cause it looks more like a regex than an actual word...
[08:10] <sajan> after reboot screenshot
[08:10] <auronandace> sajan: better, notice how idle it is?
[08:11] <sajan> yeah.........its good now............how to unistall dropbox
[08:11] <16SAAANJ7> has anyone tried using quantal from virtualbox? For me, compiz crashes everytime ubuntu boots up.
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> !details | r00t_
[08:11] <ikonia> sajan: open the package manager, search dropbox, click uninstall/remove
[08:11] <rp2> r00t_: my guess would be that you need more memory ... what does 'top' say?
[08:12] <cousteau> r00t_, for "what is slowing down my computer" I usually go to System Monitor > Resources
[08:12] <sajan> thanks........other question......how can i make this system work faster??????????
[08:12] <auronandace> !12.10 | 16SAAANJ7
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> rp2: you on precise?
[08:12] <ikonia> sajan: don't worry about that - just try using it now and see how you get on
[08:12] <rp2> lotus: yes
[08:12] <AlphaNoob> 512 ram I would expect only a terminal interface
[08:12] <cousteau> check that CPU(s) are not at 100%, memory is not at 100% either, and swap is not being used
[08:12] <r00t_> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[08:12] <sajan> but i have 2 gb ram
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> rp2:the bot says the package is not supported anymore
[08:13] <ikonia> sajan: yes, just try using it for a while, see how you get on
[08:13] <AlphaNoob> I would not install GUI desktop on 512
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> rp2:whats full name of that package?
[08:13] <sajan> how to go to package install
[08:13] <ikonia> sajan: you need to read https://help.ubuntu.com
[08:13] <rp2> lotuspsychje: well, then the bot and I agree. my question is: how do I best find out why?
[08:13] <cousteau> Xubuntu or Lubuntu might be better suited for 512 MB RAM
[08:13] <ikonia> sajan: that will give you the basic information about how to use your desktop
[08:14] <rp2> lotuspsychje: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/vcg
[08:14] <cousteau> (XFCE and LXDE can be installed on Ubuntu, so there's no need to re-install)
[08:14] <sajan> thanks ikonia.......i appericiate your help........i will take some help then come back
[08:14] <ikonia> sajan: don't rush, read the URL and play, see how you get on. Any specific questions, just ask
[08:14] <AlphaNoob> Puppy Linux or xfce..... but 512?  I don't think raspberry pi has that little
[08:15] <cousteau> So about my plymouth question...  how do I change my logo plymouth theme with the text one?   sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth   only shows the graphic ones, not the text ones
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> r00t_:did you install graphics driver correclty?
[08:16] <atriq> I've got an odd little problem
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> rp2:not sure 'why' mate, cant find the package for precise on google
[08:16]  * cousteau tries   sudo update-alternatives --config text.plymout
[08:16] <atriq> Moving my mouse to the left doesn't flick open the launcher
[08:16] <atriq> It used to, and I don't think I've forgotten the trick
[08:17] <atriq> Also, it looks like my mouse thinks there's more screen than my screen does?
[08:17] <AlphaNoob> There's or answer atriq
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> rp2:maybe theres already a better package for that purpose, did you search software centre?
[08:18] <AlphaNoob> U answered urself .  The dash is off the screen.
[08:18] <atriq> Only a couple of pixels
[08:18] <atriq> And when I use the flag button it appears fine
[08:19] <r00t_> Just checked top and it apears as if switching or moving windows maxes out my cpu. any fix for this?
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> r00t_:can you logout and login to unity2d to see if cpu load changes?
[08:20] <r00t_> lotuspsychje,  i have a unmodded setup besides restricted-extras and xchat so i dont know. i can try unity2d. how do i switch to unity2d?
[08:20] <r00t_> !unity2d'
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> rp2:you could try programming channel
[08:20] <atriq> AlphaNoob, so yeah, that's not the problem
[08:20] <rp2> lotuspsychje: well I have a hunch, it seems to be a graphviz alternative from the stone age
[08:20] <r00t_> !unity2d
[08:21] <rp2> it uses a different layout algorithm ... I'd like to try it
[08:21] <AlphaNoob> OK well I don't use shitty unity anyway
[08:21] <rp2> which programming channel?
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> r00t_:logout, type your login name and choose unity2d on the gear icon
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> rp2: ##programming
[08:24] <AlphaNoob> Does anyone here use shitty Unity so they can help atriq?
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> !polite | AlphaNoob
[08:24] <Seveas> AlphaNoob, there's no need for such language.
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> !info doxygen > lotuspsychje
[08:25] <Seveas> lotuspsychje, you can also /msg ubottu info doxygen :)
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> Seveas: tnx buts its relevant for rp2 aswell, thats why
[08:26] <ScottHarrison> How do I list ubottu tips?
[08:26] <ScottHarrison> !info
[08:26] <somsip> !brain | ScottHarrison
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:26] <MsTeshi> Hi
[08:27] <sajan> @ikonia.......i read the guide now almost familier with the gui of ubuntu and normal use............but i still find it slow then windows7
[08:27] <ikonia> sajan: ok, so you may not have your graphics card configured correctly
[08:28] <ikonia> sajan: poor display setup can often make it "seem" slow, when it's actually running quick
[08:28] <sajan> i dont have graphics card......its inbuit graphics of intel
[08:28] <sajan> do i need that driver
[08:29] <ikonia> sajan: ok, you do have a graphics card, it's the intel one
[08:29] <ikonia> sajan: intel cards are normally configured fine by default
[08:29] <sajan> yaaaa..........the one that comes inbuilt
[08:29] <sajan> actually its graphics memory written when i looked at bios settings
[08:29] <AlphaNoob> I think if he just does a check for driver updates that will tell him what he needs to know
[08:30] <ikonia> AlphaNoob: there is no "intel driver" as a restricted driver, so it won't "check for an update"
[08:30] <AlphaNoob> Oh
[08:30] <ikonia> sajan: what makes it seem slow to you, opening windows for example, or doing certain things
[08:31] <sajan> yaa opening windows.........and switchin tasks
[08:32] <AlphaNoob> He needs a new p12 chip imo
[08:32] <ikonia> AlphaNoob: stop
[08:32] <AlphaNoob> OK ok
[08:32] <ikonia> AlphaNoob: you're just making things up. If you can't help properly and continue to mess around you'll not be welcome in the channel, clear ?
[08:33] <ikonia> sajan: that does sound visual rather than actual performance related.
[08:33] <ikonia> sajan: one moment while I just work out a test
[08:33] <sajan> okkk.......thanks
[08:33] <AlphaNoob> It was just one joke, don't get bent out of shape
[08:34] <ikonia> AlphaNoob: its not funny
[08:34] <AlphaNoob> Not to you perhaps
[08:34] <ikonia> AlphaNoob: its not funny
[08:34] <sajan> i really want to learn linux by my heart..............but my poor base of c language is very poor
[08:35] <ikonia> sajan: you don't need to know C
[08:35] <AlphaNoob> Why are u even talking to me?  You have more important business at hand.
[08:35] <sajan> can u tell me easy way to learn ubuntu.......as far as programming side
[08:36] <sajan> any website or guide???
[08:36] <AlphaNoob> Learn bash or python
[08:36] <JamezQ> There is a guide to ubuntu sajan yes
[08:37] <JamezQ> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[08:37] <sajan> which will help from bash or paython for me to work on android or java
[08:37] <pmorris> Can modifying iptables affect established connections?
[08:37] <sajan> @jamezq thanks for link
[08:38] <AlphaNoob> Ummmm.... well python is more of a complete programming language
[08:38] <JamezQ> If you are looking for learning programming, like working on on android. I suggest looking at android tutorials.
[08:38] <JamezQ> They use eclipse generally, which runs on linux
[08:39] <Calinou_> hi, i installed lubuntu 12.04, I'm using an nvidia 570gtx, no proprietary drivers are available...
[08:39] <Calinou_> currently doing system updates -- will they appear once I reboot?
[08:39] <sajan> ok my main aim is..........i am given a project to make a website based on JAVA language.........so i wanted to do in different way then windows so i preffered ubuntu.........so can i make that website on java in ubuntu
[08:40] <JamezQ> Yes, sajan, you can. Java runs on linux in everyway it runs on windows. (in some ways better)
[08:40] <AlphaNoob> Sajan....you're confusing java and javascript
[08:40] <timfrost> pmorris: it is possible (eg an explicit block of inbound ssh could prevent traffic on a pre-existing ssh session)
[08:40] <sajan> ya.........javascript.........
[08:40] <sajan> make a website using java servlet
[08:40] <JamezQ> No no
[08:40] <JamezQ> that *is* java
[08:41] <JamezQ> no javascript
[08:41] <JamezQ> Anyway, java servlets run on ubuntu, yea, but this is more of a programming question
[08:41] <AlphaNoob> Right OK my bad
[08:41] <Oins> Sajan: sure take a look at the IDE Eclipse
[08:41] <xcervo> hello guys, can i install android as guest in ubuntu virtualbox?
[08:42] <sajan> i have zero knowledge and i and started from ground level......and i know i will learn mostly all things i want here
[08:42] <AlphaNoob> Didn't know websites used java servlets anymore
[08:42] <JamezQ> AlphaNoob: They don't, but it's still taught in schools.
[08:42] <sajan> is there any basic requirement before i install IDE ECLIPSE
[08:43] <JamezQ> sajan: No, just install Eclipse, netbeans, whatever you are used to using. Ideally from the software center
[08:43] <atlef> xcervo, yes
[08:43] <JamezQ> If you have any questions after that, ask
[08:43] <sajan> dont i need jre(java)
[08:43] <Oins> Sajan: and try some java based frameworks like vaadin
[08:44] <xcervo> atlef thanks
[08:44] <AlphaNoob> I really think java for the web is dead
[08:44] <JamezQ> sajan: If you are just startign out and this is *not* for a class, I don't reccomend using java servlets that much.
[08:44] <AlphaNoob> And only legacy websites use it
[08:45] <sajan> ya i m given project from collage
[08:45] <JamezQ> AlphaNoob: Well, servlets maybe, not servers themselves.
[08:45] <JamezQ> Okay, will if it's a project from college that makes sense, again, just download your prefered IDE and use as normal.
[08:46] <patie> hi, im trying install sensiolabs-desktop (http://desktop.sensiolabs.org/linux-how-to) on ubuntu but i give error -  Unable to load library icui18n "Cannot load library icui18n: (libicui18n.so.48: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)"  QSslSocket: cannot call unresolved function d2i_X509
[08:46] <sajan> what should i search for on software centre
[08:46] <JamezQ> sajan: "eclipse"
[08:46] <sajan> ok thanks
[08:46] <Calinou_> hi, i installed lubuntu 12.04, I'm using an nvidia 570gtx, no proprietary drivers are available...
[08:47] <timfrost> patie: is your system 32-bit or 64-bit (the error implies a 64-bit package and a 32-bit system)?
[08:47] <polarbear> hi
[08:47] <sajan> ok so unlike windows i dont need to install the java before i install netbeans or eclipse
[08:47] <patie> timfrost: 64bit ubuntu 11
[08:47] <atlef> xcervo, one good guide for what you are asking for http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-run-android-4-0-ics-on-windows-mac-linux-using-virtualbox/
[08:48] <polarbear> i like ubuntu 12
[08:48] <JamezQ> sajan: No, you still need to install java, although installing eclipse might pull that in for you
[08:48] <sajan> okkk.....so i should install eclipse without worrying about java
[08:48] <polarbear> use SSD
[08:48] <polarbear> very fast
[08:49] <polarbear> i am using the SSD
[08:49] <geirha> sajan: after installing eclipse, search for openjdk-6-jdk and/or openjdk-7-jdk in the software center. If either of those are installed  ... you have the necessary packages to build and run java programs
[08:49] <JamezQ> sajan: Meh, I would install java first, do you know how to install things via the terminal?
[08:49] <polarbear> alias
[08:49] <sajan> no i dont know.......can  tell me that
[08:50] <JamezQ> Actually, geirha is right, just search that in the software center
[08:50] <sajan> okk thanks i will search
[08:50] <JamezQ> search : openjdk-7-jdk
[08:50] <JamezQ> or 6, which your class likely uses
[08:50] <patie> timfrost: 64bit, u know how can i fix this problem ?
[08:51] <sajan> is java 6 is ggod or 7
[08:51] <geirha> sajan: which version to settle on is your job to find out. Perhaps ask for advice in a java channel
[08:52] <sajan> okk thanks
[08:52] <timfrost> patie: ah. wrong direction. If the package is 32-bit, you need the 32-bit libraries.  There is a package in 64-bit 11.10 that installs most 32-bit libraries
[08:52] <JamezQ> If you are in a college class, check your intruction sheet for the class.
[08:53] <Calinou_> i installed lubuntu 12.04, I'm using an nvidia 570gtx, no proprietary drivers are available...
[08:53] <timfrost> patie: I am running 12.04, and can't remember the name of the 11.10 meta-package
[08:53] <geirha> patie, timfrost: sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[08:53] <sajan> we are not give anything rather then the title to make website
[08:53] <patie> geirha: try, thanks
[08:53] <sajan> i am give to make a website on GLASS COMPLANY
[08:53] <timfrost> geirha: thanks. that is the pacvkage that patie needs
[08:54] <JamezQ> sajan: this is a college class?
[08:54] <sajan> yaaa its a project from my collage
[08:55] <JamezQ> sajan: Well, if they don't give you any info, it's up to you to find out what you need to use, my guess is java version 6.
[08:56] <sajan> ok installing eclipse now and then will install version 6
[08:58] <hardcampa> sajan if you insist on using eclipse I would install a version which is configured for java support from the beginning. The top one from this list for example: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
[08:59] <waheed> hey, I used before a media converter at ubuntu but I can't remember its name.. it was with a simple GUI and almost convert from/to all multimedia formats.. and opens a terminal with the progress upon running convertion.. can any one remind me what its name??
[08:59] <sajan> thanks @hardcampa
[09:00] <atlef> waheed, could it be WinFF?
[09:00] <patie> geirha: timfrost works ok thanks
[09:01] <jalexandru> if I want to copy a file from computerA to computerB I go to computerB and use scp ... is there a command that I could use from computerA ??/
[09:02] <somsip> scp {login} B.address:/path/file localpath/
[09:02] <JamezQ> jalexandru: scp can actually work both ways
[09:02] <jalexandru> just thought at that, thanks JamezQ
[09:03] <JamezQ> well, thank somsip too, I just said what he posted.
[09:03] <somsip> JamezQ: I missed the tag - no biggie
[09:03] <adi14> blow
[09:04] <waheed> altef : don't think so.. it was a different name.. I think with a "G" or something
[09:07] <sajan> is there a way to make ubuntu work faster by using hard disk space
[09:07] <waheed> well, I need a good multimedia converter that converts all fomrats
[09:07] <JamezQ> sajan: Can you exaplin what you mean?
[09:08] <sajan> i have 2 gb of ram in my laptop.......so can i utilise my hard drive for ubuntu to work more faster
[09:09] <Calinou_> sajan: swap is very slow
[09:09] <sajan> @calinou .........means
[09:09] <JamezQ> Well, using hard drive more is genearlly a bad idea...
[09:09] <randomDude> sajan: no just get more ram
[09:10] <randomDude> sajan: or swap the hardrive for a ssd drive
[09:10] <JamezQ> sajan: Generally to speed up a computer, you utilise the harddrive *less*
[09:10] <Calinou_> randomDude: he is on a laptop
[09:10] <randomDude> Calinou_: your point is ?
[09:10] <sajan> @randomdude can u tell me how to do that swap
[09:10] <JamezQ> randomDude: His point is that changing ram ain't so easy on a laptop
[09:11] <randomDude> sajan: swap won't make your machine faster.
[09:11] <belgianguy> is there a place where one can suggest minor improvements ?
[09:11] <belgianguy> eg, not a bug report
[09:11] <Calinou_> randomDude: try to put RAM on a laptop
[09:11] <randomDude> JamezQ: generally not the case unless you're using a recent macbook pro
[09:11] <JamezQ> belgianguy: Yes, http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[09:11] <sajan> okk only thing is i need more ram
[09:11] <randomDude> Calinou_:  no problems i upgraded all my laptops ram...
[09:11] <belgianguy> thanks JamezQ
[09:12] <Calinou_> randomDude: and you are not supposed to do that
[09:12] <randomDude> Calinou_: oh it's agains the law is it?
[09:12] <Calinou_> *seems legit*
[09:12] <JamezQ> sajan: Well, if the problem is ubuntu is running too slow on an old machine, it's an option to try using xubuntu, or something light like that.
[09:13] <sajan> will a dual core proccessor will be able to handle to more ram then 2 gb
[09:13] <JamezQ> sajan: The number of cores has nothing to do with how much ram
[09:13] <randomDude> sajan: it's really up to the motherboard
[09:13] <Calinou_> lubuntu > xubuntu by far, in terms of weight
[09:13] <Calinou_> randomDude: go back to your ROMs, thank you
[09:13] <JamezQ> Calinou_: That's correct, but having tried both, lubuntu suffers from less polish
[09:13] <randomDude> Calinou_: my what now?
[09:14] <sajan> okk thanks...............is xubuntu good as far as graphics are concerned
[09:14] <JamezQ> sajan: It's generally considered not as pretty as ubuntu, but it looks pretty good to me, I always suggest trying the live cd before installing
[09:14] <JamezQ> sajan: And make sure you like it
[09:15] <sajan> well my cd drive in my laptop is  damaged.......
[09:15] <belgianguy> sajan: LiveUSB ;)
[09:15] <JamezQ> sajan: Well, how did you install ubuntu in the first place? A usb?
[09:16] <sajan> no..........web installed
[09:16] <atlef> sajan, if you already have ubuntu, just install xubuntu-desktop
[09:16] <ikonia> sajan: apologies for being a while, I had to attend a phone conference, are you still struggling with performance ?
[09:16] <ScottHarrison> is there anyway I can hide my IP to the public on IRC?
[09:16] <ikonia> ScottHarrison: you need a cloak, the guys in #freenode can help
[09:16] <sajan> yaaa but less then before...........removing dropbox is a big improvement
[09:17] <ScottHarrison> ikonia, thanks :)
[09:17] <belgianguy> would it be any way possible to integrate some sort of free/OSS cloud support in the screenshot widget?
[09:17] <oscailt> ScottHarrison: Yes. Ask in #freenode for a cloak]
[09:17] <belgianguy> like 'save to web'
[09:17] <turtle_> Hey
[09:17] <JamezQ> belgianguy: Yes it would be, there are actually screenshot applications for this already.
[09:17] <oscailt> ScottHarrison: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks
[09:17] <belgianguy> ah, okay JamezQ, that was my suggestion :p
[09:18] <JamezQ> belgianguy: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/06/screencloud-lets-you-take-share-ubuntu-screenshots-quickly
[09:18] <JamezQ> belgianguy: Check it out, it's called "screencloud"
[09:18] <brontosaurusrex> what would be an app that would batch burnin exif date into bunch of jpegs?
[09:18] <JamezQ> belgianguy: But that's a good suggestion, keep em up :)
[09:19] <sajan> @ikonia..........which is default directory in TERMINAL when i start it
[09:19] <ikonia> sajan: your home directory normally
[09:19] <belgianguy> sajan: type 'pwd' without the ''
[09:20] <JamezQ> sajan: You start in your /home/<username> directory
[09:20] <belgianguy> and it'll print where it is at that moment
[09:20] <write> hello everybody, can anyone help me with my sound problem? ive installed lubuntu, but there is no sound icon in bar, the sound doesnt work. Ive accesed alsamixer, unmuted everything, set to maximum, still nothing
[09:20] <belgianguy> pwd = Print Working Directory
[09:20] <sajan> got it thanks
[09:21] <turtle_> write: speakers just connected via 3.5mm jack?
[09:21] <oscailt> write: Try opening pavucontrol
[09:21] <write> i got a an Asus 1015bx netbook :-s so no speakers
[09:21] <nibbler_> brontosaurusrex, exiv2 - EXIF/IPTC metadata manipulation tool
[09:21] <write> pavucontrol is currently not installed oscailt
[09:22] <JamezQ> write: Can you get ethernet? As you may have to install some packages to help get it to work, it would be uesful to have ready.
[09:23] <write> JamezQ: ethernet? im on wireless connection
[09:23] <JamezQ> write: Oh, sorry, I mixed up sound working with wireless not working.
[09:24] <JamezQ> write: :p
[09:24] <JamezQ> write: my mistake.
[09:24] <write> :) yeah, soundn doesnt work .. but in alsamixer i see the audio card, volumes are up etc, still no sound icon
[09:25] <oscailt> write: Hmm... I'd say install it, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't actually use Ubuntu so I'm not sure of it's make up.
[09:26] <turtle_> oscailt, i just installed it fine
[09:26] <JamezQ> oscailt: I can't see it hurting, honestly, it's not a meta-package so it should be easy to remove just in case.
[09:26] <write> oscailt: i understand :-s ... on previous ubuntu it worked oke, but on Lubuntu, it started with no sound
[09:26] <turtle_> must have been in a default repo as well
[09:28] <waheed> I need a program to run .arf file ??
[09:29] <ikonia> waheed: what type of file/data is that
[09:29] <JamezQ> it is webex ikonia
[09:29] <waheed> it should be a multimedia..
[09:29] <oscailt> ikonia: WebEx Player
[09:29] <ikonia> oscailt: ah, thank you
[09:30] <oscailt> JamezQ: You beat me to it :(
[09:30] <oscailt> :p
[09:30] <ikonia> isn't webex a web browser /plugin based application,
[09:30] <waheed> what is webex ??
[09:30] <waheed> :)
[09:30] <ikonia> waheed: why do you need to open it if you don't know what it is ?
[09:31] <waheed> all I know it is a record.. I need to check it..
[09:31] <oscailt> Sorry about that ikonia I thought it was you asking not waheed. My bad.
[09:31] <waheed> so what is WebEx, plz ?
[09:31] <redwarriors25> where i can find the flash player folder where i install
[09:31] <ikonia> waheed: web based collaberation
[09:33] <redwarriors25> where i can find the flash player folder where i install
[09:34] <oscailt> redwarriors25: It's in /lib some where
[09:35] <starbuck33> hi there, could someone recomment a tool to encrypt a single file, preferably with a very strong algorithm?
[09:35] <oscailt> waheed: It's a piece of Cisco related software if I'm not mistaken.
[09:35] <oscailt> I can't remember exactly. Just know the name
[09:35] <JamezQ> starbuck33: That might be something to ask in #programming or depending on the language #python or #ruby.
[09:36] <jrib> starbuck33: gpg
[09:36] <oscailt> starbuck33: As jrib said; GPG
[09:36] <oscailt> RSA 4086
[09:37] <help_ent> hi, i installed lubuntu 12.04, I'm using an nvidia 570gtx, no proprietary drivers are available...
[09:37] <starbuck33> JamezQ: i'm only after a tool which does that, not to make one myself
[09:38] <starbuck33> jrib, oscailt: thx, i'll have a look at it
[09:38] <oscailt> help_ent: You don't always need proprietary drivers. I never use them and I have great graphics...
[09:38] <help_ent> oscailt: heard of 3D games?
[09:38]  * help_ent facepalms
[09:38] <help_ent> nvidia cards always have proprietary drivers
[09:38] <oscailt> starbuck33: GPG is useful for a lot of things. It's really use full.
[09:38] <help_ent> so I can't be wrong
[09:38] <oscailt> help_ent: I have, and I play them all the time.
[09:38] <help_ent> and I'm not using a GPU like this one to have the performance of a netbook
[09:39]  * help_ent facepalms
[09:39] <ubuntumad> guys I have installed ubuntu 12.04 first and I was in need of windows xp for some stuff. and I installed it in another partition. it is working properly. now I'm trying to install ubuntu in a separate partition thro usb creator. but when I click on "Install Ubuntu" it says that I cannot find any OS in my system. and when proceed further it doesn't show the partition present in the system. it just appears the whole hard drive?? i'm 
[09:39] <help_ent> I already used the OSS drivers a while ago; had like 2SPF
[09:40] <jrib> help_ent: stay out of the sun!
[09:40] <oscailt> help_ent: Jokes aside. There should be proprietary drivers for your card. I'm not the one to ask about them though. haven't got a notion.
[09:40] <jrib> !nvidia > help_ent
[09:40] <PaSsI__> plz help me find the channel for c++
[09:41] <help_ent> PaSsI__: ##c++?
[09:41] <oscailt> PaSsI__: #cplusplus ??
[09:41] <VlanX> hi there.. any idea how in bash i can use a word on a text file to use as a variable and check if it matches with another variable?
[09:41] <ikonia> oscailt: if you don't know - don't answer
[09:42] <jrib> VlanX: #bash can help you
[09:42] <turtle_> after using unity for the last week, I kinda preferred GnomeDo from when i used to use ubuntu a few years back
[09:42] <JamezQ> VlanX: what does the text file look like?
[09:42] <ubuntumad> [URGENT]I have installed ubuntu 12.04 first and I was in need of windows xp for some stuff. and I installed it in another partition. it is working properly. now I'm trying to install ubuntu in a separate partition thro usb creator. but when I click on "Install Ubuntu" it says that I cannot find any OS in my system. and when proceed further it doesn't show the partition present in the system. it just appears the whole hard drive?? i
[09:43] <JamezQ> !wait
[09:43] <ikonia> ubuntumad: why are you trying to install ubuntu - you have already installed ubuntu
[09:44] <JamezQ> ikonia: I believe he is saying he can no longer find his ubuntu partition. I am guessing somehow xp took up the rest of the space.
[09:44] <VlanX> JamezQ: i need to take the IP address out from the text file of my router's configuration. The rest of the text file are CLI commands such as "ip addree 192.168.10.1" for example. I need the VRA to be "192.168.10.1"
[09:45] <ikonia> JamezQ: seems reasonable
[09:45] <oscailt> ubuntumad: I'd say you didn't set up your partitions. Double check.
[09:45] <ubuntumad> ikonia: when we install XP in a system it eats up everything.. the ubuntu partition is still there but no bootloader to access it
[09:45] <PaSsI__> thanks help_ent  and oscailt
[09:46] <JamezQ> ubuntumad: Can you access the partition from a live cd, if you can, you're in luck, you only need to reinstall grub
[09:46] <ubuntumad> oscailt:  No if I boot XP it shows everything properly
[09:46] <ikonia> ubuntumad: ok - so you don't need to re-install, you just need to re-apply grub
[09:46] <PaSsI__> join/ #c++
[09:46] <ubuntumad> JamezQ: I'm using the live usb created flash drive it is not showing anything
[09:46] <oscailt> grub insatll --no-floppy
[09:47] <JamezQ> ubuntumad: In that case, it looks like the ubuntu partition is *not* still there
[09:47] <help_ent> is there any way to limit the refresh rate of LXDE to 60FPS in some way, so that I don't get that high-pitched sound?
[09:47] <JamezQ> VlanX: Do you mind if I help you in a /pm or in #bash? I don't want to spam this channel with non-ubuntu stuff
[09:47] <oscailt> Have a look in /boot/grub/grub.conf first though and check everything in there is good to go.
[09:47] <help_ent> it looks like it tries to render as fast as possible
[09:52] <oscailt> Out of curiosity does anyone know where the release party is for 12.10? I missed the 12.04 and I want to make this one.
[09:53] <ikonia> oscailt: it will be in #ubuntu-release-party when it opens closer to the release.
[09:54] <oscailt> ikonia: No, no. I'm talking of the 'real' party as in the one that happens over in London.
[09:54] <ikonia> oscailt: there are many parties, they will get announced when they are planned
[09:55] <JamezQ> octanium: I'll host one in san jose :)
[09:55] <oscailt> ikonia: Thanks. I'll ask popey when he gets on.
[09:57] <brontosaurusrex> what would be an app that would batch burn-in exif date into bunch of jpegs?
[09:58] <ikonia> brontosaurusrex: can you do that with imagemagik ?
[09:58] <ikonia> imagemagick
[09:58] <ikonia> sorry
[09:58] <brontosaurusrex> sure i can, is there a gui app?
[09:58] <ikonia> you didn't ask for a gui app
[09:59] <brontosaurusrex> what would be a GUI app that would batch burn-in exif date into bunch of jpegs?
[09:59] <ikonia> there is front end web applications for imagemagick, I'm not aware of an X11 app
[10:01] <brontosaurusrex> sheesh, i had an app like that, just cant remember the name ....
[10:11] <AdvoWork> if i want to change the ip of a server, is it literally just changing the ip in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/hosts ? and reboot?
[10:11] <ikonia> AdvoWork: pretty much
[10:16] <MASTERPIECE> c.archimed.bg
[10:17] <AdvoWork> ikonia, anything else I need to do?
[10:18] <WeThePeople> where is the xorg server files stored
[10:18] <ikonia> AdvoWork: shouldn't need to
[10:18] <ikonia> WeThePeople: "server files" ?
[10:18] <ikonia> WeThePeople: what exactly are you looking for
[10:19] <WeThePeople> ikonia, the xorg files
[10:19] <ikonia> which xorg files
[10:19] <ikonia> to do what ?
[10:19] <JamezQ> WeThePeople: do you mean /etc/X11/ ?
[10:20] <JamezQ> and also /usr/share/X11/
[10:20] <alci> hi all
[10:20] <WeThePeople> ikonia, my ubuntu will only boot to tty, because it cant boot to the guo
[10:20] <WeThePeople> gui
[10:21] <ikonia> WeThePeople: ok - so why are you looking for X11 files ?
[10:21] <WeThePeople> jamezq, yes those
[10:21] <ikonia> WeThePeople: are you looking for the log files ?
[10:21] <alci> Quantal. my log is full of messages saying xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: WARN Event TRB for slot 1 ep 16 with no TDs queued?
[10:21] <WeThePeople> ikonia, yes that to thanks for reminding me lol
[10:21] <JamezQ> for error logs, that would be in /var/log
[10:21] <ikonia> WeThePeople: until you know why it's not booting to X11 it's a pointless task to change things
[10:21] <JamezQ> There seems to be a Xorg.0.log file, that should be it
[10:23] <WeThePeople> jamezq, under /etc
[10:23] <ikonia> no
[10:23] <ikonia> under /var/log
[10:23] <WeThePeople> thanks
[10:23] <ikonia> WeThePeople: has this ever worked (X11 gui ?)
[10:23] <bonno> hi i have a 170GB ubuntu partition and in the same HD the rest is free storage and in another HD i have 80GB for windows and the rest free storage too... i wanna reinstall ubuntu now but i want to make the ubuntu partition 60GB..how ca i do that? is there anyway to do it without losing the data on the non-bootable part of the disk?
[10:24] <WeThePeople> ikonia, yes
[10:24] <ikonia> bonno: just resize using gparted from the boot Cd
[10:24] <ikonia> WeThePeople: ok, what happened when it stopped working, did you upgrade ? change anything ?
[10:25] <bonno> and i wont lose the data on the disk part witch is non bootable? what i want to do actually is add the 170 - 60 = 110 GB of the bootable partition into the non bootable
[10:26] <WeThePeople> ikonia, i was transfering files from cd to hdd when the power cut out, and when i turned my comp. back on it 'needs to run in low graphics mode' so i boot to tty.
[10:26] <bonno> and then reinstall
[10:26] <ikonia> bonno bootable/non-bootable makes no difference
[10:26] <ikonia> WeThePeople: what files where you transfering ?
[10:26] <WeThePeople> ikonia, ubuntu
[10:27] <Robin_Hood> hi there
[10:27] <Robin_Hood> I would like to ask for a small help
[10:27] <ikonia> WeThePeople: ubuntu is not a file
[10:27] <ikonia> WeThePeople: what where you copying
[10:27] <WeThePeople> ikonia, mine wrer
[10:27] <WeThePeople> were
[10:27] <ikonia> WeThePeople: yours where what ?
[10:27] <JamezQ> !ask | Robin_Hood
[10:27] <WeThePeople> a folder of ubuntu
[10:27] <bonno> well ikonia did you understand what i am trying to say though ?
[10:28] <ikonia> WeThePeople: a folder of ubuntu ???
[10:28] <ikonia> WeThePeople: how hard is this to answer "what where the files"
[10:28] <ikonia> bonno: as you understand it, it's just resizing your disk
[10:28] <Datahell> what is the path where I can find the file that is edited by "crontab -e" for normal users?
[10:28] <WeThePeople> ikonia, yes not the iso but a folder of ubuntu
[10:28] <ikonia> WeThePeople: what do you mean, a folder of ubuntu ??
[10:28] <WeThePeople> cuz it doesnt matter
[10:28] <ikonia> WeThePeople: it does matter
[10:29] <ikonia> it could have changed your configs, which is why I'm asking what the contents of your files where
[10:29] <JamezQ> WeThePeople: It does matter, that is why we are asking...
[10:29] <Robin_Hood> In Ubuntu Installer for Windows what Installation Size Means ?
[10:29] <bonno> yeah..its just that..but how do i do it .. what you mentioned earlier is that i can do it while reinstallation?
[10:29] <brontosaurusrex> found it > Phatch is an user friendly, cross-platform Photo Batch Processor and Exif Renamer with a nice graphical user interface.
[10:29] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: How big it will make the ubuntu install size, meaning how much space you will have *in* ubuntu
[10:29] <soman> Hi all. Can I extract strings and put them in a new file by pattern in GEany?
[10:29] <Robin_Hood> Thanks JamezQ
[10:30] <JamezQ> soman: Oh that is just crying to be done with grep <pattern> file.txt > newfile.txt
[10:30] <ikonia> bonno: when you boot the install CD launch an application called gparted, it's an easy gui tool to resize
[10:31] <Robin_Hood> I allocated partition so I do I need to specify the whole partition size in Ubuntu Install size or ?
[10:31] <bonno> ok..thanks :) one last thing.. the data i have on that disk is it possible that i lose them?
[10:31] <JonBurton> Hi All
[10:31] <ikonia> bonno: yes
[10:31] <bonno> @#$  i dont want that :/
[10:31] <ikonia> bonno: then pay attention to what you are doing
[10:31] <JonBurton> Wondered if someone could help me please, I have just installed Ubuntu 12.04LTS on my laptop but would love to update to the 12.10 beta. Is there a way of doing this on the laptop or do i need to download it again to dvd and reinstall
[10:31] <WeThePeople> ikonia, i highly doubt that changed anything
[10:32] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: If you are using wubi, you don't need another parition. You are using wubi right?
[10:32] <ikonia> WeThePeople: I don't care anymore, I can't be bothered trying to get you to answer questions to try to actually help you
[10:32] <bonno> is there any way that i can resize the partitions from where i am now?! (running ubuntu)
[10:32] <ikonia> WeThePeople: if you don't want to answer my questions, that's your problem, good luck sorting your problems out
[10:32] <ikonia> bonno: no
[10:32] <ikonia> bonno: as your disks will be in use, that is a BIG risk
[10:32] <bonno> from disk utility maybe?
[10:32] <JamezQ> bonno: it's not a good idea
[10:32] <Robin_Hood> Yes I'm but I would like to have Ubuntu on Separate partition
[10:32] <Cottus> update-manager -d updates to 12.10 ?
[10:32] <bonno> oh ok
[10:32] <WeThePeople> ikonia, i did, ubuntu folder.. lol
[10:33] <ikonia> WeThePeople: that's not an answer, and I don't find it funny, I'm trying to help you and you seem to dodge the question
[10:33] <ikonia> WeThePeople: "an ubuntu" folder means nothing.
[10:33] <bonno> thanks ikonia .. :) have a nice day
[10:33] <JonBurton> Its not showing in my update manager
[10:34] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: Ah, well then you don't need to use wubi(and in fact you can't), if you already have ubuntu installed via wubi, *backup* files, uninstall, and then boot with a live cd or usb
[10:34] <WeThePeople> ikonia, thats what i have on the cd a folder of a iso of ubuntu, thats what i was transferring
[10:34] <WeThePeople> cd to hdd
[10:34] <ikonia> WeThePeople: ok, so you where transfering an ISO file,
[10:34] <WeThePeople> no a folder of a iso
[10:34] <ikonia> WeThePeople: ok - so an uncompressed ISO image
[10:34] <WeThePeople> i made the iso into a folder
[10:34] <Cottus> JonBurton, yes it's probably it
[10:35] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: The ubuntu installer should help partition windows and ubuntu together for you. If you already have a partitition and want to install to that one, it may be a little more involved, but you can do it.
[10:35] <WeThePeople> ikonia, i guess so
[10:35] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: Ask if you have any questions during it
[10:35] <JonBurton> Cottus - Nope 12.10 not showing, even gone in settings and asked to show all versions
[10:35] <Cottus> JonBurton, if you try update-manager -d ?
[10:35] <ikonia> WeThePeople: you "guess so" - ok I can't be bothered with this. If you don't want to answer my questions, I'm not interested.
[10:35] <JonBurton> yep
[10:36] <Cottus> ok
[10:36] <ominous> привет
[10:36] <ominous> всем
[10:36] <FloodBot1> ominous: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:36] <ominous> русские есть?
[10:36] <JonBurton> Only option then is GNUPGKeys
[10:36] <WeThePeople> does anybody know how to read a Xorg.5.log file??
[10:36] <Cottus> !ru ?
[10:36] <bonno> Russians are here :P
[10:36] <MonkeyDust> !ru
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> oops
[10:37] <ominous> ыы
[10:37] <ominous> привет
[10:37] <JonBurton> Any other ideas please?
[10:38] <Cottus> no
[10:38] <Robin_Hood> So can I still use wubi for installing Ubuntu on new partition or I need USB stick ?
[10:38] <crazydiamond> Hi. My aptitude says "no candidate for package 'kde'"
[10:38] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: Sadly you cannot use wubi for installing on a separate partition, you would need a usb stick or a cd/dvd
[10:39] <Robin_Hood> ok.Thank you
[10:39] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: Wubi is made for installing ubuntu inside of windows only
[10:39] <crazydiamond> what repo must I add?
[10:39] <JamezQ> Robin_Hood: No problems, good luck!
[10:39] <Robin_Hood> aha cool
[10:39] <soman> ominous: есть русскоговорящий
[10:40] <Robin_Hood> One last question. Will Ubuntu run on a netbook with Intel Atom CPU ? I already have Win 7
[10:40] <crazydiamond> везде есть. эт точно
[10:40] <JamezQ> JonBurton: I would add a repo, probably change something in your sources file, and add whatever repo the next ubuntu version is using
[10:40] <JamezQ> JonBurton: keep in mind this is dangerous work :p, upgrading to a beta, but you seem like an advanced use, after you do that, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade might do it
[10:40] <JonBurton> Thanks JamezQ only thing is im a newbie, I know how to add a repo but not which one to add
[10:41] <roSievers> Hi, I set up an encrypted external HDD using cryptsetup und luks. I can mount it in Nautilus, but I only have read access, no writing permissions. How do I tune the permissions?
[10:41] <JonBurton> I just like to play, Im a Windows IT guy and now migrating after 17 years!
[10:42] <JamezQ> JonBurton: Well, first of all, for me, I have to know this is not a production machine, if you lost all your files from doing this, would you be okay? If not, generally you don't want to get into beta's, let alone try to hack an upgrade to them.
[10:42] <JamezQ> JonBurton: If your files on this are backed up or don't matter, I am happy to help
[10:42] <JonBurton> Yeah just my test laptop
[10:42] <JonBurton> Anything WIndows/AD/Serverside im good, but Linux a whole new world to me :)
[10:44] <JamezQ> JonBurton: Alright, let me think on this for a bit, I have to think with a bit of a debian mindset
[10:44] <connor_> Hi all - somewhat new to Ubuntu. I was hoping to troubleshoot some frequent freezing? Mouse still moves, keyboard responsive, screen elements (like clock) update but can't actually select or do anything. SSH from another computer fully responsive. I'm a bit confused because it doesn't seem like an X, input, HDD, or CPU problem...
[10:44] <JonBurton> Thanks JamezQ
[10:45] <connor_> (Also new to IRC, let me know the protocol for asking questions if I'm breaking it)
[10:45] <JamezQ> connor_: You're not :) don't worry.
[10:45] <MonkeyDust> JonBurton  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[10:45] <connor_> :-) Thanks Jamez
[10:45] <JonBurton> Thanks MonkeyDust
[10:46] <sunta> anyone know whats the replacement for prevu on 12.04?
[10:47] <royale1223> What's prevu?
[10:47] <MonkeyDust> sunta  depends on what it does
[10:47] <royale1223> !prevu
[10:48] <royale1223> !backporting
[10:48] <connor_> Looks like something called backportpackage replaces it in precise
[10:49] <connor_> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man1/backportpackage.1.html
[10:51] <connor_> So, any thoughts about the potential problem in a freeze with responsive mouse/keyboard, updating screen elements, full SSH capabilities but no actual interaction with windows/panels?
[10:51] <JamezQ> alright JonBurton basically to try to do this unsupported upgrade, I would replace instances of "precise" with "quantal" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:51] <JamezQ> JonBurton: then I would do apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:52] <JamezQ> JonBurton: But honestly, I have never done it before, so good luck
[10:52] <nydel> connor_: are you running unity?
[10:52] <connor_> Negative, running xfce (mythbuntu)
[10:52] <nydel> connor_: xfce --replace -d :0
[10:52] <nydel> connor_: did you try that?
[10:53] <connor_> OK, just realized I can interact with the launchers on my desktop - I just loaded VirtualBox and windows XP, which responds perfectly
[10:53] <connor_> Does that just relaunch xfce's desktop environment?
[10:53] <nydel> connor_: i don't know for sure - most other environments have a --replace (-d display) option and it usually works miracles for me
[10:54] <JonBurton> Thanks JamezQ Ill give it a go
[10:54] <nydel> connor_: i use cinnamon, but i freely replace it with unity sometimes or gnome classic
[10:54] <connor_> Nydel: it appears that there is no xfce command
[10:55] <JamezQ> JonBurton: Tell me how it goes! I am curious
[10:55] <nydel> connor_: i've never used xfce but i'm looking at it now & it's pretty, i think i'm going to try it.
[10:56] <nydel> connor_: which xfce? any output?
[10:56] <connor_> Nydel: Thanks, I rather like it - except for the freezing! It looks like the equivalent command  might be xfdesktop --reload?
[10:56] <tripples> I just done "gnome-wm --replace -d :0" .Only one gnome-terminal window remaining .How to get it back ?
[10:56] <nydel> connor_: yes, try that - & if you have a display option it's usually best to specify. like -d :0
[10:57] <nydel> tripples: what are you trying to get back?
[10:57] <tripples> all gnome-shell interface that have disappeared.
[10:57] <connor_> Nydel: I'm not sure I ever specified a display like :0, but unfortunately I saw the desktop refresh but still can't interact with the panels or switch between the two open windows
[10:58] <nannes> What's the ubuntu developer's channel?
[10:58] <nannes> (here on freenode9
[10:58] <nydel> tripples: what win-man are you using
[10:58] <WeThePeople> what is this>>> /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic
[10:59] <nannes> WeThe font for a particular alphabet (cyrillic) and languages
[10:59] <nannes> WeThePeople: ^
[10:59] <nydel> connor_: did you ever try cinnamon?
[10:59] <WeThePeople> nannes, can you find it on your system
[11:00] <connor_> Nydel: I haven't - I'd be interested in trying it, but I need some sort of confirmation that my problem is xfce specific first. Does this sound like an environment problem that could be resolved by just switching to gnome or cinammon or something?
[11:00] <ikonia> nannes: depends on what type of development/developers you're looking for
[11:00] <ikonia> nannes: what's the topic and I'll point you at the right channel
[11:01] <nydel> connor_: well, what exactly is happening? windows just become unresponsive?
[11:01] <dazzgt> I have problems mounting partition, that has Linux raid autodetect filesystem
[11:03] <connor_> Nydel: Randomly (and this happens every day at least)… 1) computer becomes "unresponsive" but mouse/keyboard work, desktop launchers open programs, screen elements update. I just launched chrome for example, which works fine, but I can't resize the window or close it now that I've opened it except from inside the program (window decoration buttons don't work, but going to settings -> exit from inside the program does)
[11:04] <connor_> Nydel: LOL I forgot I was making a numbered list
[11:04] <nannes> WeThePeople: Mmmh actually it is not in my system, but I removed unity and all its components, so .. if it were one of them, that's for this reason
[11:04] <malko2> bonjour
[11:04] <nannes> ikonia: general and GUI developement
[11:04] <nannes> do you say gtk?
[11:05] <ikonia> nannes: Hmmm, that's a tough one as the desktop platform is unity, so I'd suggest the unity developers channel
[11:05] <nannes> and driver development. But i don't think it is ubuntu related: anonical never support kernel dev
[11:05] <ikonia> nannes: are you looking to contribute to unity ?
[11:06] <connor_> Nydel: And now after having been frozen for about half an hour, it just magically unfroze and is back to normal
[11:06] <nannes> actually it's not for me, it's been asked me
[11:06] <nannes> I hate unity :D
[11:06] <nannes> so I told him
[11:06] <ikonia> nannes: ok, so let the person who's asking come and ask
[11:06] <nannes> I'm waiting for his reply and I'll tell you
[11:06] <ikonia> not interested in working through a proxy
[11:08] <Firefishy> Please would someone show my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1036618 some love?
[11:08] <ikonia> Firefishy contact the people who maintain that package rather than random people
[11:10] <Firefishy> ikonia: fine.
[11:10] <dazzgt> peoples help me please.  I have problems mounting partition, that has Linux raid autodetect filesystem and was created using mdadm. Can anyone help?
[11:11] <ikonia> dazzgt: explain the problem
[11:11] <nydel> dazzgt: explain the problem please?
[11:11] <nydel> ikonia: hah.
[11:11] <connor_> Nydel: and now it is again frozen
[11:12] <connor_> Nydel: <sigh>
[11:12] <nydel> connor_: it's happening right now?
[11:12] <connor_> Nydel: yes
[11:12] <connor_> Nydel: (I'm on a different computer, of course)
[11:13] <nydel> connor_: can you open a terminal?
[11:13] <nydel> connor_: or no response to any input from keyboard or mouse
[11:13] <connor_> Nydel: I can SSH from this laptop
[11:13] <dazzgt> ikonia,nydel:I can not mount the drive standing in Raid 1
[11:13] <nydel> connor_: but there's no way to do anything on (what do you wanna call computer 01?)
[11:14] <ikonia> dazzgt: ok, what command are you using and what error
[11:14] <connor_> Nydel: Keyboard and mouse are responsive (they can launch desktop launchers and such) but I'll just SSH from this computer
[11:14] <nydel> ?
[11:14] <nydel> connor_: can you just open a terminal on the computer
[11:14] <connor_> Nydel: We'll call it XFCE, and I'm SSHed into it right now
[11:14] <nydel> connor_: are you ssh'd as the same user
[11:14] <connor_> Nydel: yes
[11:15] <nydel> connor_: execute "top" & see if anything is unusual?
[11:15] <connor_> Nydel: resources are virtually unused
[11:15] <nydel> also connor_ do "ps -ef | grep defunct"
[11:16] <nydel> connor_: anything?
[11:16] <connor_> Nydel: connor   11808 11804  0 06:26 ?        00:00:00 [xfce4-terminal] <defunct>
[11:16] <connor_> connor   12615 12001  0 07:15 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto defunct
[11:16] <nydel> kill it
[11:16] <nydel> however you like
[11:17] <dazzgt> I did not even get to enter a normal request to Google. mount say unknouwn type file system 'linux_raid_member'
[11:17] <LorSamPau_w> kill it with fire, for example
[11:17] <ikonia> dazzgt: ok, what command are you using and what error
[11:17] <nydel> LorSamPau_w: is that a joke or is fire a command
[11:17] <LorSamPau_w> it's a joke
[11:17] <JamezQ> It's a joke, and a funny one at that :3
[11:17] <nydel> LorSamPau_w: :)
[11:17] <ikonia> dazzgt: actually, do't bother, I've asekd you two times now and you've not answered, the question. I'm not interested
[11:17] <connor_> Nydel: killed the terminal that was frozen, and it didn't closed the window but didn't resolve the freeze
[11:18] <wcchandler> ubuntu 12.04, where at in settings do you adjust the size of the bar thing on the left (I think it's called the docky?) i just updated my system and it resized it back up and can't seem to find where I changed it before
[11:18] <ikonia> LorSamPau_w: can you stop that "joke" please, it's the second time you've offered it to people today
[11:18] <connor_> Nydel: killed the other process, but it closed my ssh connection and didn't resolve it
[11:18] <dazzgt> ikonia: mount /dev/sdb3 /home/dazzgt/  unknouwn type file system 'linux_raid_member'
[11:18] <ikonia> dazzgt: you're mount a disk, not the raid device
[11:18] <ikonia> dazzgt: the raid device would be a meta device eg: md0
[11:18] <ikonia> dazzgt: /dev/sdb3 is a raid member - not a raid disk
[11:18] <nydel> connor_: right now on XFCE could you launch a terminal? if you have it global hotkeyed to c-meta-t for example?
[11:18] <LorSamPau_w> ikonia, i can count too
[11:19] <ikonia> and on that advice, I'll back away
[11:19] <ikonia> LorSamPau_w: ok, then please stop offing that "joke" as help
[11:19] <connor_> Nydel: Sure, that works fine, just replaced my entire environment with terminal (cntrl-optn-F1)
[11:20] <JamezQ> :/ I don't think that hurt anyone. It's not like he said a dangerous command. It was noted a joke soon after.
[11:20] <wcchandler> nevermind, must not be in unity
[11:20] <nydel> connor_: help me to understand better - is it that /some/ windows are unresponsive?
[11:21] <nydel> connor_: i know you can get to a terminal outside of xwindows, but can you launch one inside or would that require input that is not being received? or would the window launch then be unresponsive?
[11:22] <connor_> nydel: all windows are unresponsive, though the selected window accepts input and works normally. The XFCE panel is also unresponsive. I can't switch which window is in focus either
[11:22] <varun_> hi
[11:22] <dazzgt> ikonia: i bad speak english I have the drive of raid1. How do I read from it information?
[11:22] <connor_> Nydel: I have no way to launch terminal emulator from inside the GUI without the panel being responsive
[11:23] <connor_> Nydel: I'm guessing it's something to do with the XFCE window manager, but I don't know what would be causing a problem with that
[11:23] <nydel> connor_: join #xfce
[11:24] <Firefishy> ikonia: amd64-microcode, does it make a difference if the maintainer is from debian? The straight backport package build+installed 100%. Without microcode AMD systems are unstable.
[11:24] <dazzgt> ikonia I have 2 days trying to understand (((
[11:24] <connor_> Nydel: Fair enough - so you think this is definitely something specifically with the XFCE environment?
[11:25] <nydel> connor_: it sure seems like it, but i've never run XFCE. i bet we'll have better luck in #xfce, everyone here uses gnome or unity
[11:25] <nydel> connor_: i assume you've logged in & out etc
[11:25] <connor_> Nydel: Thanks so much for your responsiveness and your help so far! It's much appreciated
[11:25] <truexfan81> or MATE*
[11:25] <connor_> Nydel: restarted several times over the past few days, yes
[11:26] <nydel> connor_: very welcome, thanks for something to do lol. i'm reading through some documentation & forums to see if this problem has occurred before..
[11:26] <Bergcube> As late as yesterday the papers wrote about the recent vulnerabilities in (Sun) Java, recommending everyone should disable it. I want to assume that with an updated Ubuntu 12.04 / Firefox / Iced-Tea we are safe. As Sun Java < > Iced-Tea...  Do any of you have definite knowledge about this?
[11:27] <truexfan81> well i know i'm safe
[11:27] <truexfan81> i don't have any java installed lol
[11:27] <aguadito> how can you survive without java?
[11:27] <nydel> connor_: what kind of panels are these? are they native to xfce?
[11:27]  * truexfan81 shrugs
[11:27] <aguadito> my banking system's log-on is java-based
[11:27] <Bergcube> truexfan81, Very helpful!
[11:28] <JamezQ> Java in the browser is almost never used aguadito
[11:28] <JamezQ> except in coorporations like yours I suppose :p
[11:28] <connor_> Nydel: yes, XFCE defaults to one horizontal panel in the top for applications menu and icons
[11:28] <aguadito> yea we have a weird digital security syste
[11:28] <JamezQ> anyway Bergcube, yes, it should not be auto enabled, and instead be ask-to-use.
[11:28] <aguadito> m
[11:28] <truexfan81> Bergcube: if you use firefox, just use the noscript addon, and only allow scripts from sites you trust, you will be fine
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:29] <Bergcube> JamezQ, Yeah that stands to reason. I never enable plugins unless I want them on a given page.  So are you saying that Iced-Tea does not have the weakness Sun Java has?  THAT is what I want to know.
[11:29] <JamezQ> Hello BluesKaj
[11:30] <BluesKaj> hi JamezQ
[11:30] <nydel> connor_: and it's the pannels that become unresponsive? or the windows? you said you launched chrome, was chrome responsive?
[11:30] <JamezQ> Bergcube: Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. maybe someone else here does
[11:30] <JamezQ> Bergcube: I would assume on the safe side, of course, but that is not what you are asking about
[11:31] <truexfan81> JamezQ: does iced-tea come preinstalled on ubuntu minimal? if so i may be running that
[11:31] <Dr_willis> not much comes preionstalled on 'minimal'
[11:31] <JamezQ> truexfan81: Java does not come preinstalled in ubuntu at all
[11:31] <Dr_willis> you install what you want with it.
[11:31] <Bergcube> JamezQ, Ok; thanks.
[11:31] <truexfan81> Dr_willis: i know, i love it :)
[11:31] <connor_> Nydel: panels and window frames are unresponsive, and can't switch window focus, but active window contents ARE responsive (hence, opened Chrome and could interact within it as long as it was in focus)
[11:31] <Dr_willis> so you know it would onlyu be there if you installed it. ;)
[11:32] <truexfan81> Dr_willis: when i switched from mint 13 to 12.04 minimal it felt like i got a cpu upgrade lol
[11:32] <Dr_willis> err... Minimal just means  you install what you want..  after you start installing stuff. its not really minimnal any more.
[11:32] <JamezQ> truexfan81: yea, anything minimal is nice, try arch too
[11:32] <nydel> connor_: if you launch chrome, then kill chrome, are pannels responsive again?
[11:33] <truexfan81> Dr_willis: thats true
[11:33] <truexfan81> alto i do build most of my apps from source
[11:34] <nydel> connor_: i assume you launched chrome using a shortcut on one of the panels? but then once chrome is in foreground, panels behave like modals / frozen
[11:35] <JamezQ> truexfan81: Sounds great, you have that choice and if it makes a better system for you, I am glad linux helped you achieve it.
[11:35] <truexfan81> JamezQ: thanks
[11:35] <connor_> Nydel: I tried that earlier and they didn't. And that's incorrect - I launched chrome from a desktop launcher, which I think might be a gnome thing rather than an XFCE thing (maybe why it still works?)
[11:35] <connor_> Nydel: Panels are always 100% unresponsive to input, though the clock on the panel updates
[11:35] <Dr_willis> xfce uses the various .desktop launcher files as well as gnome does.
[11:36] <BaldFat> connor_: do you have htop installed?
[11:36] <connor_> BaldFat: I don't, should I install over SSH?
[11:36] <BaldFat> connor_: sudo apt-get install htop
[11:36] <connor_> BaldFat: Installed
[11:37] <BaldFat> connor_: then just open it in a terminal and it will give you a quick idea on what is happening
[11:38] <connor_> BaldFat: Hmmm… Mem at top says [||||||||||||49   ] (I assume 49%) used, but no specific program is using more than 0.1%
[11:38] <BaldFat> connor_: what is your cpu?
[11:39] <connor_> BaldFat: Negligible
[11:39] <QuackQuacker> Hey i have 11.04 currently, is there good reasons for upgrading to 11.04.1? (LTS)
[11:39] <fidel> QuackQuacker: there is more then 1 good reason to upgrade to 12.04 ;)
[11:40] <QuackQuacker> =]
[11:40] <connor_> BaldFat: 1%
[11:40] <BaldFat> connor_: What window manager are you using?
[11:40] <connor_> BaldFat: whatever is default with XFCE
[11:40] <QuackQuacker> i love 11.04 but when i check my dvd i wrote 11.04 but current version on site is 11.04.1 fidel, do you know if there is anything different in 11.04.1 thats worth downloading it for?
[11:40] <xangua> QuackQuacker: 11.04 is not lts
[11:41] <QuackQuacker> oh
[11:41] <QuackQuacker> i have to go google on that lts then
[11:41] <Dr_willis> QuackQuacker,  if you update/upgrade - it whould go to 11.04.1
[11:41] <JamezQ> ... there is no 11.04.1
[11:41] <fidel> QuackQuacker: 11.04.1 ois 11.04 if its updated
[11:41] <BaldFat> connor_: well you installed ubuntu 12.04 unity and then installed Xfce?
[11:41] <Dr_willis> if you do a release upgrade - it should to to 12.04.1
[11:41] <JamezQ> that doesn't exist
[11:41] <JamezQ> there are only point releases on LTS's
[11:41] <connor_> BaldFat: and while we're talking about window managers, I was messing around with compiz a bit over in the Unity environment - but at the end I reset everything with gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz
[11:41] <QuackQuacker> Dr_willis i get a red triangle at top of the screen lately when trying to update, so ive considered formatting
[11:41] <Dr_willis> QuackQuacker,  I always use the command line..
[11:42] <fidel> QuackQuacker: but still why do you think you should prefer old versions? and when will you consider jumping to newer versions? ;)
[11:42] <LorSamPau_w> 11.04=11.04.1
[11:42] <QuackQuacker> i always love going to new versions
[11:42] <LorSamPau_w> at this miment
[11:42] <LorSamPau_w> *moment
[11:42] <BaldFat> connor_: restart compiz its like compiz --replace
[11:42] <Dr_willis> QuackQuacker,  i always format/reinstall the new releases..
[11:42] <connor_> BaldFat: in fact, I installed MythBuntu (default environment is XFCE), but then installed Unity to try it out
[11:42] <QuackQuacker> okay, thanks Dr_willis , fiedel and xangua =]
[11:42] <holgersson> Tach
[11:42] <fidel> QuackQuacker: i never format/reinstall - to show the different side ;)
[11:43] <connor_> BaldFat: Mythbuntu is just XFCE ubuntu 12.04 with MythTV installed / preconfigured
[11:43] <holgersson> Wie stabil ist denn ubuntuone? Gibt's irgendwelche Verbinundsabbrüche oder Ähnliches?
[11:43] <Stars> hi guys, i have 22 hard drives and one was bad, I knew the UID # but how can I identify which one was bad? by looking at?
[11:43] <fidel> !de | holgersson
[11:43] <holgersson> oh, sry, wron channel
[11:43] <thebananafish> find serial number of drive?
[11:43] <BaldFat> connor_: well I am not a HUGE Xfce fan I can see the attraction but MythTY is one of those things that if you have it working DONT TOUCH :)
[11:43] <holgersson> ubottu, fidel: I just saw it, I'm sorry about this mistake :)
[11:43] <holgersson> haha :D
[11:44] <Stars> thebananafish, what cmd let me see the serial#?
[11:44] <connor_> BaldFat: No kidding, haha… configuration has been pain in the ass! But it's all setup now except for this freezing issue
[11:44] <thebananafish> I forget what the command was hold on
[11:45] <connor_> BaldFat: I tried "compiz --replace" over SSH and got "FAtal: Couldn't open display"
[11:45] <BaldFat> connor_: Did you remove unity?
[11:45] <thebananafish> #hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep Serial
[11:45] <BaldFat> connor_: that is normal
[11:45] <Stars> eventhough i has a serial#? but i still pull one one by one anyway
[11:46] <Dr_willis> Stars,  do some read operation on each drive.. and listen to the drives? ;)
[11:46] <Dr_willis> then move to the next..
[11:46] <thebananafish> :\ yeah you may be out of luck
[11:46] <BaldFat> connor_: it should have taken about 10 seconds to get compiz totally rebooted
[11:46] <thebananafish> or that
[11:46] <BaldFat> connor_: the error is just saying it is rebooting
[11:46] <thebananafish> do you have status lights on this server or what?
[11:46] <vlt> Hello. Is there a pkg in 10.04 LTS that will always install the latest linux-image-3... or do I have to keep track manually?
[11:47] <Dr_willis> or just unplug half the hds and see if its in the half that was there or not.. :) then repeate..
[11:47] <ikonia> vlt: if there is a kernel update, update-manager will offer it to you
[11:47] <Stars> thebananafish, it was bad i umounted, but still functional
[11:47] <connor_> BaldFat: OK, I managed to do it on the MythBuntu computer directly and saw a screen refresh, and got "backend: ini; integration: true; profile: default; adding plugins; initializing core options… done; … and now it is stuck there, not yet back to prompt and it's been about 1 min
[11:47] <BaldFat> connor_: UGH
[11:47] <fidel> vlt: just curious - what kernel do you get on 10.04 nowadays?
[11:47] <vlt> ikonia: When I install 3.0.0-26-generic for example now?
[11:48] <Stars> i guess ihave to do the old way by pull out one by one and test it with another computer
[11:48] <vlt> fidel: ^
[11:48] <ikonia> vlt: what ?
[11:48] <jrib> Dr_willis: binary search!
[11:48] <connor_> BaldFat: Not L33T enough to know what that means… do we have a Compiz problem?
[11:48] <ikonia> !info linux-image-#lucid
[11:48] <fidel> vlt: just asking as you get 3.2.0-31 on 12.04 out of the box iirc
[11:49] <ikonia> !info linux-image #lucid
[11:49] <ikonia> !info linux-image lucid
[11:49] <BaldFat> connor_: yeah it is surely a compiz issue. I would have thought OpenBox would be a good wm for mythtv
[11:49] <thebananafish> Stars: oh ok
[11:49] <ikonia> vlt: 2.6.32 is the current 10.04 kernel
[11:49] <twitchie> any1 had success running an intel igpu as primary device and then able to initialize proprietary ati drivers to crunch hashes?
[11:49] <vlt> fidel: I know. But I have one machine where 12.04 doesn’t work properly but now I have hardware I need to run on 10.04 that isn’t supported by the default 2.6.38 on 10.04.
[11:50] <connor_> BaldFat: No doubt it is if it's what was packaged with MythBuntu… I probably just screwed up a compiz setting while messing around in Unity. There must be a reasonable way to totally reinstall or reset compiz?
[11:50] <ikonia> vlt: what hardware is not supported
[11:50] <vlt> ikonia: Yes, but there’s a linux-image-3.0.0-26 as well.
[11:50] <jrib> !info linux-image-generic-lts-backport-oneiric lucid
[11:50] <ikonia> vlt: no, there isn't it's not in the main repo, it's from some other repo
[11:51] <BaldFat> connor_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2057378
[11:51] <jrib> ikonia: they backported the kernels up to oneric
[11:51] <BaldFat> connor_: tried that?
[11:51] <ikonia> jrib: there you go, the backports repo, thank you
[11:51] <jrib> ikonia: strangely enough it's actually from lucid-updates and lucid-security main :P
[11:51] <ikonia> jrib: oh, it's classed as a security.....
[11:52] <Dr_willis> most of been a big security issue then?
[11:52] <jrib> My guess is they have a policy to backport the kernels for newer ubuntu versions until a new LTS hits, but I don't know for sure
[11:53] <jrib> there are equivalent -natty and -maverick packages available in lucid
[11:54] <ha1dfo> hi all. I'm using ubuntu 12.04, libvirt + qemu and UFW. However simply cannot get the DNAT through ufw. does any of you have experience with portforward/DNAT with ufw?
[11:55] <connor_> BaldFat: things aren't looking great… I can't reset compiz over SSH. It's giving me errors and kicking me right back to prompt without having any effect on the Mythbuntu computer
[11:55] <vlt> ikonia: I see. The hardware is an NI KA 6 usb audio device.
[11:56] <BaldFat> I would sudo reboot and then ssh ina nd then manually go startx and see what happens
[11:56] <connor_> BaldFat: rebooting
[11:57] <BaldFat> connor_: Sorry this stuff on servers alwasy drives me nuts when it is a wm issue. x and compiz are not the best of friends at times
[11:58] <connor_> BaldFat: Thanks for the sympathy, haha. I just want to reset everything relating to window management to default, and would be happy to uninstall unity if it might help
[11:58] <connor_> BaldFat: Back in XFCE
[11:59] <holgersson> Hi again, this time in the correct language :D
[12:00] <holgersson> How does ubuntuone works? Is this a user-specified directory, which is synced with a server or is it a kind of network-files-system, which I can mount into somewhere in /?
[12:00] <JamezQ> It is a directory that is synced with the server
[12:00] <JamezQ> it is not a network file system
[12:00] <MonkeyDust> holgersson  basically, it syncs your folders with the ubuntu cloud
[12:01] <holgersson> thx!
[12:01] <JamezQ> It is not in it's own mount point, it's just in /home/usr/Ubuntu\ One
[12:01] <jonathan_> jSanp
[12:01] <BaldFat> connor_: Well a windows xp mindset uninstall helps in Linux it really doesn't matter in Linux it is the configuration that needs to be fixed
[12:01] <BaldFat> connor_: brb
[12:01] <holgersson> jonathan_: so my problem is I have to store the data locally, not *only* in the cloud
[12:02] <holgersson> sry jonathan_
[12:02] <holgersson> I wanted to say it to JamezQ
[12:02] <JamezQ> Ah
[12:02] <JamezQ> holgersson: Well, that is what Ubuntu one does, actually
[12:03] <JamezQ> holgersson: The data will be both on your computer and in the cloud
[12:03] <JamezQ> if you lose your internet connection, all synced data will  still be there
[12:03] <JamezQ> you can edit add and delete files
[12:03] <toshgsh> if i have a dual setup monitor how can i use a preferable refresh rate for one of the monitors?
[12:03] <JamezQ> and when you get internet again, they will re-sync
[12:03] <LorSamPau_w> !ubuntuone
[12:04] <holgersson> JamezQ: And I see this as my 'problem' - I just want to create a small LUKS-backup-image in the cloud without any local copy.
[12:05] <JamezQ> holgersson: Ah, well, you can always upload the file to google-drive or something. but I don't know of any simple way to do it
[12:06] <JamezQ> holgersson: Of coruse, there is having a server you contorl and using NFS
[12:06] <JamezQ> holgersson: or ftp, etc, but that is more involved
[12:07] <LorSamPau_w> holgersson, you can upload any file to ubuntu one or dropbox without creating local copy
[12:08] <LorSamPau_w> holgersson, jutt do it  through web interface
[12:08] <holgersson> LorSamPau_w: The client doesn't sync the files from the server to my local harddisk?
[12:08] <LorSamPau_w> holgersson, you can delete the client and use just the web interface
[12:09] <holgersson> I read, I was just to late typing
[12:10] <connor_> BaldFat: I deleted ~/.compiz-1, ~/.config, ~/.cache/sessions… hopefully compiz doesn't keep more personalized settings elsewhere?
[12:10] <holgersson> connor_: maybe find ~ -iname *compiz* helps you :)
[12:10] <BaldFat> connor_: did you read to do that? Some programs don't auto regen a new configuration if deleted
[12:10] <LorSamPau_w> holgersson, or you can configure the client(s) to sync only exect folders
[12:12] <connor_> I did read to do that, they should have all just been personalized settings
[12:12] <holgersson> LorSamPau_w: Well, your idae doesn't solve the last problem: I have to download the whole file vor accessing it, I can't just mount the network file system, decrypt the LUKS-device, mount it elsewhere and write my data ;)
[12:12] <BaldFat> connor_: ok then you have to restart with compiz --replace correct?
[12:12] <connor_> LorSamPau-w: I found a few that I didn't delete in .gconf/apps
[12:12] <JamezQ> well, you are still downloading the file even with a network file system
[12:12] <JamezQ> holgersson: ^
[12:12] <connor_> LorSamPau-w: worth deleting also?
[12:13] <JamezQ> holgersson: But if you want a NFS or something you just can mount and use, I suggest a VPS or a home server.
[12:13] <holgersson> JamezQ: yes, I see ubuntOne isn't something for me.
[12:14] <holgersson> Thank you for your help, have fun with your distro and goodbye!
[12:14] <connor_> BaldFat: compiz --replace STILL refreshes screen, gets to "initializing core options… done" then hangs
[12:14] <LorSamPau_w> connor_, I guess supposed to type it to some1 else
[12:14] <connor_> LorSamPau_w: LOL, it was apropos to me… looks like Compiz is just a troublemaker
[12:15] <LorSamPau_w> connor_, you can type just a few first letters of the nickname and use [tab]
[12:15] <BaldFat> connor_: ok this sounds bad but that's good. I think it is a driver issue then when things go 3d. what vido card or is it intel
[12:15] <connor_> LorSamPau_w: Nice!! Love it
[12:15] <connor_> BaldFat: Onboard intel, no separate video card
[12:16] <BaldFat> connor_: what chipset?
[12:16] <connor_> BaldFat: aaaaaaaaand we're frozen again, awesome
[12:16] <connor_> BaldFat: embarassing, but how do I check for that?
[12:17] <BaldFat> lspci
[12:17] <bonhoeffer> i know the new version has a nice window manager -- there was a shortcut that told me what all the shortcuts are on the screen -- any help?
[12:17] <BaldFat> lspci | grep 'intel'
[12:17] <bonhoeffer> i think i'm 12.04 default window manager
[12:18] <connor_> BaldFat: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[12:18] <JamezQ> bonhoeffer: in 12.04, you can hold the "super" key to show shortcuts
[12:18] <JamezQ> bonhoeffer: aka: The windows key, on your keyboard
[12:19] <connor_> BaldFat: It's the 6 Series / C200 Series Chipset Family
[12:20] <JamezQ> It's the one on the left: http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/img/CDE/_WINKEY.JPG
[12:21] <BaldFat> connor_: any luck at #ubuntu-mythtv I really think maybe its a wierd compiz issue then. I am not a knowledgeable compiz man. I normally run things with compiz off burned way to many times
[12:21] <bonhoeffer> JamezQ, hmm.  . . it brings up a run menu for me .. . but i think it did work before
[12:21] <bonhoeffer> hmm . . quick hit versus long hit
[12:21] <connor_> BaldFat: Can I just turn off compiz then?
[12:21] <JamezQ> bonhoeffer: Yes, you have to press and *hold* it to show the shortcuts
[12:21] <BaldFat> connor_: I would see if you could switch to openbox :)
[12:22] <connor_> BaldFat: but to be clear, you don't think this is a problem with XFCE (so I couldn't fix it just by switching to gnome or something), it's a problem with compiz, and thus my whole installation
[12:23] <julius_> hi
[12:23] <JamezQ> Hello julius_
[12:23] <julius_> (grub.cfg)    why is there a search --fs-uuid in each boot entry and root=UUID=     at the end of each kernel line?
[12:23] <BaldFat> well its always worth a try to switch the de and see what happens. Just log in under gnome
[12:23] <Dr_willis> root=(the partion with the UUID of the following)
[12:24] <julius_> Dr_willis, following what?
[12:24] <Dr_willis> julius_,  with the following #....
[12:24] <Dr_willis> root=UUID=#########
[12:24] <BaldFat> but to have best practice I would just have it start at level 3 and then startx in the command prompt to read the errors
[12:25] <julius_> Dr_willis, so that tells the kernel to get data from that partition.....what  about the search thing then?
[12:25] <BaldFat> connor_: Slaps forehead read your logs on x
[12:25] <Dr_willis> julius_,  never noticed. id have to say check the grub2 docs.. it may be telling grub to sacn all the disks for their uuids
[12:25] <connor_> Xorg.0.log?
[12:26] <BaldFat> connor_: yes go tail /var/log/xorg.0.log
[12:26] <julius_> Dr_willis, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#search                 sounds like its doing the exact same thing
[12:26] <connor_> BaldFat: [   859.352] (II) XKB: reuse xkmfile /var/lib/xkb/server-03AF3717FF3AB439A4BAABA686CCB40771CDF520.xkm
[12:26] <connor_> [   860.752] (II) XKB: reuse xkmfile /var/lib/xkb/server-03AF3717FF3AB439A4BAABA686CCB40771CDF520.xkm
[12:26] <connor_> [   861.864] (II) XKB: reuse xkmfile /var/lib/xkb/server-03AF3717FF3AB439A4BAABA686CCB40771CDF520.xkm
[12:26] <BaldFat> then see what happens when you go compiz --replace in a different terminal
[12:27] <BaldFat> connor_: tail gives you all the lines added to the end of log in real time
[12:27] <BaldFat> its tail -f /var/log/xorg.0.log
[12:28] <Dr_willis> julius_,  sounds to me like the 2 work together.. one gets the FS id.. the other uses it.
[12:29] <julius_> Dr_willis, if the second would just use it why specifiy the same UUID in the boot entry?
[12:30] <toni> hi ubuntu lovers..what is the best too to manage my ipad?
[12:30] <Dr_willis> julius_,  id say ask in #grub
[12:30] <julius_> Dr_willis, thx
[12:30] <Dr_willis> one reads all the UUIDs for the second to use is how i read it.
[12:30] <connor_> BaldFat, still get "compiz (core) - Fatal, couldn't open display" and no indication that it's doing anything at all on the Myth box. Nothing was writted to the X log
[12:31] <JamezQ> ah, after many hours, I must sleep
[12:31] <JamezQ> Good night all
[12:31] <BaldFat> connor_: so you deleted everything you needed on compiz? Did you do a find / -name nameditem?
[12:31] <connor_> BaldFat: Also somewhat different symptoms this time… XFCE panels now launch things, but they're all stuck up in the top left corner of the screen and window borders remain responsive
[12:32] <BaldFat> connor_: check the /var/log/daemon.log
[12:33] <administrator__> hi
[12:33] <connor_> BaldFat: no such log
[12:33] <administrator__> my name is prakash
[12:33] <administrator__> i am looking option for block usb device
[12:34] <connor_> BaldFat: Im of half a mind to just purge compiz. It looks like XFCE uses XFWM as a window manager by default, so I can try to switch back to that…?
[12:34] <BaldFat> administrator__: for enterprise or just blacklisting on your own system?
[12:35] <BaldFat> connor_: I would try using xfce and it's settings to just switch window managers. I am not sure the right app for that in xfce
[12:35] <Dr_willis> connor_,  yes. xfce uses xfwm i belive. ;) not been following your compiz issues.
[12:35] <BaldFat> Dr_willis: He has compiz not starting core dump
[12:36] <administrator__> i want to block pen drive in pc
[12:36] <connor_> Dr_willis: Is there an easy way to switch to xfwm only, and get rid of compiz?
[12:36] <BaldFat> administrator__: block any pendrive just on your computer?
[12:36] <Dr_willis> connor_,  reset all your xfce settings back to defaults and iut should do it.. I dont use xfce
[12:36] <administrator__> yes
[12:36] <BaldFat> connor_: dont have to get rid of compiz just don't have it start
[12:37] <barneyfife> k
[12:37] <BaldFat> administrator__: sudo echo "blacklist usb-storage" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[12:37] <administrator__> i try it but it not work
[12:37] <ish_018> hi guys..
[12:38] <Dr_willis> administrator__,  the askubuntu.com site had several questions/tips on doing this i recall seeing last week.
[12:39] <administrator__> i allready put the question but still i am not get any response
[12:39] <BaldFat> administrator__: make sure you have the modprob for usb working on your system. try modprobe
[12:40] <connor_> Dr_willis: BaldFat : Success! Running xfwm4 --replace replaces compiz with the functional xfwm4, XFCE's default window manager
[12:40] <BaldFat> connor_: nice now just make sure the mythtv side likes it :(
[12:40] <connor_> Dr_willis BaldFat : So now, how to make sure compiz does not start on boot, but rather xfwm?
[12:40] <digitalninja> hi
[12:41] <administrator__> dear i am using ubuntu first time can you give some more details step by step
[12:41] <Dr_willis> administrator__,  i saw the question asked and answered in several forms at askubuntu.com     they  mentioned blacklisting, and making fstab entries, and udev rule changes.. depending on the details of what you want to do.
[12:41] <ish_018> administrator_ , welcome to ubuntu community
[12:41] <Dr_willis> administrator__,  why is it so critical you do this rather... odd thing?
[12:42] <connor_> BaldFat: Like a charm - XBMC and MythTV are happy, so I am too
[12:42] <administrator__> i have my own computer class and i want to prevent student to use pen drive
[12:42] <BaldFat> good have class now have a great day
[12:43] <connor_> BaldFat: You too man
[12:43] <connor_> BaldFat: Thanks again
[12:43] <connor_> Dr_willis: How can I make sure my system boots into XFWM rather than compiz now?
[12:44] <Dr_willis> connor_,  no idea. i dont use xfwm. it should save the setting  after you did that --replace
[12:44] <connor_> Dr_willis: :-) Thanks for the help!
[12:44] <Dr_willis> ive never understood people trying to use compiz with xfce ;P
[12:44] <administrator__> i try your command sudo echo .... but i get error permission denied whiile i am use administrator
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Blacklist the usb_storage module by adding blacklist usb_storage to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.
[12:46] <administrator__> hey dr_willis are u there ?
[12:46] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/79043/disable-usb-mass-storage
[12:46] <Dr_willis> seen other ways to block specific usb drives also. dependng on what you need.
[12:46] <Dr_willis> !blacklist
[12:47] <bonhoeffer> i created a symlink -- now i can't remove it "too many levels of symbolic links"
[12:47] <ish_018> install ubuntu tweak and uncheck show mounted volumes on desktop..
[12:48] <geirha> bonhoeffer: what command did you run to create the link, and what command are you using to remove it?
[12:49] <bonhoeffer> https://gist.github.com/3799619 <-- gierha
[12:49] <bonhoeffer> geirha, (sorry)
[12:50] <administrator__> i add menually in blacklist.conf but now it is not save
[12:50] <geirha> bonhoeffer: so is /var/www a symlink too?
[12:50] <bonhoeffer> yes
[12:51] <bonhoeffer> got it
[12:51] <bonhoeffer> thanks!
[12:51] <geirha> administrator__: sudoedit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist.conf
[12:51] <Dr_willis> administrator__,  since thats a system configf file, you need sudo rights to modify it..
[12:51] <tryingUbuntu> hello all... attention please,,, my update manager came up downloaded, and is installing all WITHOUT me putting in my password!! that is the 1st time it never asked for it.. IS this something to be worried about    a virus??
[12:51] <Dr_willis> tryingUbuntu,  theres a setting to auto install updates ive seen...
[12:52] <madura> my router has a usb ethernet interface(uses rndis) to use it i have to replug the usb cable, anyway to fix it?
[12:52] <tryingUbuntu> Dr_willis   I DIDNT set it though
[12:52] <Dr_willis> tryingUbuntu,  i doubt if its a virus..  double check that setting.
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> a virus?
[12:52] <Dr_willis> since it would be a weird virus.. and  i know of no linux viruses out. ;)
[12:53] <tryingUbuntu> Dr_willis  well I dont know where it is and it is complete and looks like a normal operation
[12:53] <MonkeyDust> exciting! what am i missing?
[12:53] <administrator__> where i get i have sudo rights or not
[12:53] <Dr_willis> i would bet you did set it somewhere and dont rember it.. I dont even recall where its at..
[12:53] <atealtha> I've been using the official gnome3 PPA, suddenly today ubuntu kept telling me I had to do a system upgrade, and it took down all those packages with no replacements, what gives?
[12:53] <Dr_willis> administrator__,  'sudo nano /path/to/file' it will ask for your password if you have sudo access...
[12:53] <atealtha> anyone else using gnome3 ppa ran into this?
[12:53] <tryingUbuntu> Dr_willis  Ill find it.. ok and thx
[12:53] <geirha> administrator__: Unless you've changed the sudoers file, users that are member of the admin group can run things as sudo
[12:53] <administrator__> ok dear  file is save now
[12:54] <administrator__> now what to do ?
[12:54] <Dr_willis> administrator__,  reboot...
[12:54] <Dr_willis> see if it worked.
[12:54] <administrator__> if i reboot i loss you ?
[12:54] <Dr_willis> err.... if you reboot.. the pc totally restarts....
[12:54] <jrib> Dr_willis: we will chain Dr_willis down so that he will still be here when you return
[12:55]  * Dr_willis runs away to the #mylittleponies channel
[12:55] <xangua> atealtha: you are already using gnome3 and you don't need a gnome3 ppa if what you want is install gnome-shell
[12:55] <administrator__> okey dear so now i am going to reboot my system
[12:55] <administrator__> thanks in advance
[12:56] <administrator__> if i got any problem i am back again
[12:56] <administrator__> thanks
[12:56] <atealtha> xangua: it says it's already installed, but nothing on boot right now. it just has the ubuntu splash with the row of dots
[12:59] <administrator__> hi dear
[12:59] <administrator__>  i am back again
[12:59] <administrator__> hello Dr-willi are u there ?
[13:00] <MonkeyDust> !tab | administrator__
[13:00] <jrib> administrator__: did your issue go away?
[13:04] <administrator__> no dear
[13:04] <Dr_willis> and dont expect people to become your personal 'answer-machines'
[13:04] <administrator__> still i face the problem
[13:05] <Dr_willis> all i know on the topic was in that askubuntu.com url that said to blacklist the module.
[13:05] <Dr_willis> Give us details.. what you are doing, trying, and whats happening.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> administrator__,  what's the "dear" thing ?
[13:06] <administrator__> i want to block usb
[13:06] <administrator__> in my system
[13:06] <_XMENDES> i need install on xorg 2 monitors on 2 differents Vcards. 00:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
[13:06] <Dr_willis> we can read more then 4 words in a line..  specifically  you are trying (if i paste it all together) You want to block access to USB flash drives and other removeabel media?
[13:06] <_XMENDES> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> administrator__  do you have a reference, somebody who managed to do that?
[13:07] <_XMENDES> i put busId on first 00.10:00 and secound 01:00:00 .. thats correct?
[13:07] <administrator__> Dr_willi guide my to block usb from blacklist.conf
[13:07] <administrator__> but it not work
[13:08] <_XMENDES> its not working .. because the X crashes and i have to remove de xorg.conf to initialize again.
[13:08] <_XMENDES> error "no screen found"
[13:09] <administrator__> hi dear r u there ?
[13:09] <Dr_willis> _XMENDES,  S3  is known to be very very problematic.
[13:09] <OerHeks> _XMENDES, you need the old nvidia 96 driver for that card ( mx4000) and the S3 unichrome is also a troublemaker.
[13:10] <google_360_baidu> is anyone have used ubuntu 12.10?
[13:10] <_XMENDES> i installed the 96 nvidia driver .. but its install just one VGA card. and dont put BusId Adress on xorg.
[13:10] <_XMENDES> xorg crashes when i give command nvidia-xconfigure
[13:10] <administrator__> how to block usb
[13:10] <OerHeks> google_360_baidu, 12.10 is not supported here yet, join #ubuntu+1 for QQ 12.10 support/talk
[13:11] <_XMENDES> only work the S3, and i have to remove the xorg.conf
[13:11] <_XMENDES> and startx again
[13:11] <madura> OerHeks: is there a fix for usb cable replugging for routers?
[13:12] <administrator__> quit
[13:12] <OerHeks> madura what do you mean by that ? usb + routers are odd.
[13:13] <RobZ1> hi - how can I update the root CA certificates (provider by VeriSign on their website)?  Ubuntu 10.10
[13:13] <madura> OerHeks: i happen to have one, it uses ethernet over usb with rndis_host but i have to replug it everytime to connect
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> RobZ1  10.10 is dead
[13:14] <RobZ1> MonkeyDust: yeah
[13:14] <OerHeks> _XMENDES, you probably want to use S3 onboard + agp nvida together, and one switches off.i think that is the issue
[13:14] <google_360_baidu> how to join ubuntu 12.10
[13:15] <_XMENDES> nvidia is pci old. and its running at same time on win ..
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> google_360_baidu  type /join #ubuntu+1
[13:15] <_XMENDES> s3 onboard + pci(old) nvidia
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> RobZ1  first upgrade, then ask again
[13:16] <_XMENDES> but on lspci | grep VGA  they appears on differents address
[13:16] <RobZ1> MonkeyDust: what could possibly go wrong right
[13:17] <MonkeyDust> RobZ1  go wrong with what?
[13:17] <madura> OerHeks: any help with fixing it?
[13:18] <OerHeks> madura, i don't know what to look for, maybe someone else has experience with your issue.
[13:19] <RobZ1> MonkeyDust: upgrading.  This is a server running pretty solidly.  Didn't think I'd need to upgrade it just to install new root certs.  Although I'm happy to.
[13:19] <madura> OerHeks: ok thanks
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> RobZ1  better ask in #ubuntu-server, then
[13:19] <huhmaster> does anyone know a good linux based MMORPG ?
[13:19] <RobZ1> MonkeyDust: thanks man
[13:20] <huhmaster> does anyone know a good linux based MMORPG ?
[13:20] <_XMENDES> anyone??
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> huhmaster  wrong channel
[13:21] <jaslap> huhmaster: Dungeons and Dragons through a terminal based chat program
[13:21] <huhmaster> ok MonkeyDust and jaslap, thanks
[13:22] <b9hash17> hya all
[13:24] <b9hash17> Does anyone know how to package a program you've compiled with C so that someone can install and run it from the command line without using the ./ prefix?
[13:28] <jimrees> Just ran update-manager on Goobuntu laptop, now ovpn stopped working, says I need to install OpenVPN cert, go/openvpnuser doesn't help.   Command?
[13:28] <jimrees> woops, wrong channel....
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> b9hash17  better ask in #c or #c++
[13:29] <prufrock> b9hash17, checkinstall worked for me in a similar situation
[13:31] <Dr_willis> b9hash17,  the ./command has Nothing to do with the executable.. it has to do with the users default PATH
[13:31] <b9hash17> thanks guys.
[13:31] <Dr_willis> the 'current directory' is not in the default path for security reasons
[13:35] <Linda> Nokia E63 mobile is connected to my system using data cable. But it is not getting mounted?
[13:35] <Dr_willis> some phones have a menu item to enable data, charge,mdeia,other modes whebn plugged in
[13:35] <Linda> Dr_willis, that is set as mass storage. Still it's not getting mounted
[13:36] <Dr_willis> check dmesg output, try to mount it by hand.
[13:36] <Dr_willis> is this an android phone?
[13:39] <mikecmpbll> hmpf, I've built a ubuntu VM, but for some reason I can't ssh to server B from it. I can ssh to other servers from it, and I can ssh from server B back to the VM. I get connection time out
[13:39] <foo357> Hello, I need to install some software that requires libfreetype, and freetype-config. When I run the configure script for it, this dependecy is unfulfilled
[13:39] <Dr_willis> !find libfreetype
[13:39] <foo357> is there a package that includes freetype-config?
[13:40] <Dr_willis> !find freetype-config
[13:41] <excervo> hello guys, is there anyway i can install Apple IOS on virtualbox?
[13:42] <Dr_willis> Err.. the Phone OS?  Not that i know of..
[13:42] <Dr_willis> OS-X can work i hear..
[13:43] <compdoc> maybe if you run some sort of IOS SDK
[13:44] <noecc> Where is the 32-bit i386 md5sum for 12.04.1?  It is not listed at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/MD5SUMS
[13:45] <michielbrink> juuuh I have now a update for ubuntu 12.10
[13:45] <Sachiru> Uh, currently reading up in linux news.
[13:45] <Dr_willis>  #ubuntu+1 for 12.10
[13:45] <Sachiru> Can someone please explain to me what Reiser4's "wandering log" means?
[13:45] <excervo> where can i get osx compatible wit virtualbox?
[13:46] <Pici> excervo: #vbox is the support channel for virtualbox, please ask in there.
[13:46] <tsimpson> noecc: why would it be, look at the files there. the i386 ISO is on releases.ubuntu.com, not cdimage
[13:46] <Dr_willis> excervo,  not really a ubuntu support issue. google for 'hackintosh'
[13:46] <genii-around> excervo: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31104
[13:46] <excervo> Thanks guys
[13:48] <Pip__> Hi, where can I find the default mplayer config to edit?
[13:50] <Dr_willis> try 'locate mplayer' should be in /etc/ i recall
[13:50] <freewayzify> helo guys
[13:50] <freewayzify> hey brian
[13:51] <Pip__> will do thanks.
[13:51] <nishttal2> hi I just installed Ubuntu server 12.04 .. how do i set a static IP
[13:52] <Pip__> yeah, in /etc/ I thought it was in /etc/default for some reason
[13:52] <Pip__> thanks again
[13:56] <chris92> can anyone tell me a good IRC client for xubuntu besides XChat? (xchat s*cks)
[13:56] <xangua> !irc | chris92
[13:56] <chris92> thanks ^^
[13:56] <Dr_willis> xchat-gnome is lacking. xchat is very good.  theres also weechat and irssi and perhaps a dozen other irc clients in the repositories
[13:56] <Linda> Dr_willis, the o/p of dmesg is pasted here, http://pastebin.com/YfCkwUx4
[13:58] <Dr_willis> looks like its seeing it as a usb-modem Linda  not a usb-storage device.
[13:59] <Dr_willis> [ 1709.906061] usb 4-1: Manufacturer: Nokia
[13:59] <Dr_willis> [ 1709.921103] cdc_acm 4-1:1.10: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
[14:05] <noecc> tsimpson: Thanks.  How would one know of that link after downloading from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop?
[14:06] <mike_sun_> hi, I'm trying to install the adobe SourceCodePro font and doesn't work, my font view closed and show me an error, any idea?
[14:06] <mike_sun_> is therea another way to install fonts?
[14:07] <Dr_willis> i just copy them to my users .fonts directory mike_sun_
[14:07] <MonkeyDust> mike_sun_  adobe directly in linux?
[14:07] <write> hey there guys, i just installed Lubuntu, but there is no sound icon, i get no sound from youtube or sistem notifications etc ... whats the deal ? :-s
[14:07] <mike_sun_> yes, look this: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Adobe-s-new-open-source-font-for-coding-1718882.html
[14:08] <RFleming> Greetings and salutations!
[14:08] <mike_sun_> Dr_willis: I don't have the .fonts folder
[14:08] <RFleming> I'm looking to shave a couple of hours off of a disk clone.  I've already used DD to make a raw disk image of a drive, and am now using rsync to transfer it over to a virtual machine.
[14:08] <Dr_willis> so .... make it.. ;)
[14:09] <mike_sun_> the ubuntu will read this folder?
[14:09] <tsimpson> noecc: it doesn't mention releases. or cdimage., so one wouldn't
[14:09] <RFleming> I'd like to know if rsync is transferring the file sequentially, so I can start the DD clone on the new disk while the file is still syncing.
[14:09] <Dr_willis> Users can install fonts in their own personal .fonts directory   yes...
[14:09] <Dr_willis> !fonts
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> RFleming  use rsync --progress
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> RFleming  like ike: rsync -avv --progress [source][dest]
[14:10] <Dr_willis> does rsync have a compress option?  that would help if the network speeds are the bottle neck.
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> -z compresse in rsync
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> (-z meaing zip or zo, i guess)
[14:11] <jiltdil> How to chat via termainl , i have two  system , how to chat
[14:11] <RFleming> MonkeyDust: Thanks, but that wasn't the question :)
[14:11] <Dr_willis> of course if you had 'zeroed' the free space on the hard disk befor making the image, it would compress a lot better. ;)
[14:16] <write> uhn, guys ? any expert in sound issues? :-s
[14:16] <bazhang> !audio > write
[14:17] <write> bazhang: what is volume applet? i have no sound icon, no sound menu in preferences, nothing
[14:21] <moory> uh...I want to know how to upgrade my Linux Mint 12 to Mint 13?
[14:21] <Dr_willis> ask in the Mint channel.
[14:21] <Dr_willis> !mint
[14:21] <bazhang> moory, mint is not supported here. ask them
[14:22] <ArletteC> Why Mint isn't supported here?
[14:22] <moory> oh, the Mint channel can't connect on my computer.
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> ArletteC  it's a different distro
[14:24] <moory> Anyway,thank you
[14:24] <Dr_willis> makes me wonder why the mint guys dont make their irc chat clients default to their channel.
[14:24] <chris92> is it normal that I hear some cracking sounds when I open sites like youtube, where a flash content is?
[14:24] <RFleming> ArletteC: simple fact... Mint is Mint, Ubuntu is Ubuntu.
[14:25] <ArletteC> ...
[14:25] <RFleming> ArletteC: Mint is both Ubuntu based AND Debian based, depending on which one you're using.
[14:25] <ArletteC> I using Ubuntu :)
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> ArletteC  mint has gone its own way, more independet from ubuntu
[14:25] <ArletteC> But...
[14:25] <Dr_willis> the mint support forums/site has a link to their mint channel in a web based irc client.
[14:26] <bazhang> lets get back on topic please
[14:26] <ArletteC> All right ^^
[14:26] <Dr_willis> http://community.linuxmint.com/#  under the community 'tab/button'
[14:28]  * RFleming just wishes he could get Ubuntu installed on his USB hard drive without having grub issues.
[14:28] <gordonjcp> RFleming: what "issues" are you having?
[14:28] <Dr_willis> RFleming,  Hmm. I install to usb HD all the time. with no grub issues. I just make sure the installer puts grub on the sdX of the usb
[14:28] <gordonjcp> yup
[14:28] <RFleming> gordonjcp: grub reporting that it's out of disk
[14:28] <bsx> wladi has quit (Quit: Saliendo)
[14:29] <gordonjcp> RFleming: paste the error message *verbatim*
[14:29] <bazhang> !paste | RFleming
[14:29] <AdvoWork> you know nohup, ive got a guide that recommends doing this, is it literally open terminal, type nohup then carry on as normal?
[14:29] <[deXter]> RFleming, I've found it way faster to just run a persistent live image instead of doing an actual install, while running from a USB.
[14:31] <mike_sun> now my new fonts works, thanks ; )
[14:31] <RFleming> Dr_willis: I don't have the exact error, but it was pretty sparse.  Basically I see.  Error: hd0 out of disk ... then am dropped to a grub rescue prompt
[14:32] <RFleming> my last attempt was last weekend.  Been too busy to try again.
[14:33] <RFleming> [deXter]: got a how-to on creating a persistent live image? :)
[14:33] <bazhang> !usb | RFleming
[14:35] <RFleming> beauties... less fuss... turn my 1tb usb drive into an Ubuntu install. :)
[14:37] <bsx_>  najme has quit (Quit: Leaving)
[14:40] <MASTERPIECE> have some chanel from bulgaria
[14:40] <MASTERPIECE> for ubuntu
[14:41] <RFleming> [deXter]: say... is the persistent install updateable?
[14:42] <DJones> !bg | MASTERPIECE
[14:42] <[deXter]> RFleming, Yeah, but you can't do a kernel update. (well, you can but you'd have to update it manually.)
[14:43] <RFleming> [deXter]: how difficult is it to upgrade, say from 12.04 to 12.10?
[14:44] <cocainefree> hi ppli
[14:44] <cocainefree> have cocaine for u
[14:44] <cocainefree> from boliviamsg me
[14:44] <RFleming> wtf?
[14:44] <DJones> cocainefree: Wrong network and channel
[14:45] <[deXter]> RFleming, It would not be worth it, due to the number of read/writes involved. Will be quicker, simpler and cleaner to just download the ISO again and replace the files on the USB
[14:45] <cocainefree> COCAINE CHEAP BOLIVIAN
[14:45] <DJones> cocainefree: Stop that
[14:45] <cocainefree>  ok ok :)
[14:45] <cocainefree> sorry
[14:48] <Kroach> how can I disable brightness control in GNOME?
[14:49] <foo357> Hello, I want to run a script after a delay of an amoutn of time, for example 1 hour. How do I do that on command line?
[14:49] <Dr_willis> sleep SOMENIUMER && command
[14:50] <geirha> or if it doesn't require a terminal, and you're not interested in its output, you could schedule it with the at command
[14:51] <AdvoWork> you know nohup, ive got a guide that recommends doing this, is it literally open terminal, type nohup then carry on as normal?
[14:51] <geirha> AdvoWork: No, nohup runs a command and makes it ignore SIGHUP. That's it. Not very useful.
[14:51] <Dr_willis> nohup Syntax:
[14:51] <Dr_willis> nohup command-name &
[14:52] <Dr_willis> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/nohup-execute-commands-after-you-exit-from-a-shell-prompt.html
[14:52] <pomeisl> !hu
[14:52] <Dr_willis> echo "pullftp.sh" | at now + 1 minute
[14:52] <Dr_willis> run a command 1 min from now... ;P
[14:52] <ben72> I get this error when trying to run php from shell and I have memory_limit set to -1 in php/cli/php.ini.. PHP Fatal error:  Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7680 bytes)
[14:53] <AdvoWork> geirha, Dr_willis ahh ok, this installation could take > 5 hours, so don't want to take the risk of the ssh session closing, if for example it does clone, and i ssh back in, can i recover it/see where it left off?
[14:53] <geirha> AdvoWork: you need screen or tmux for that
[14:54] <Dr_willis> AdvoWork,  this is where you learn to use screen, and tmux :)
[14:55] <Dr_willis> ssh and screen/tmux go together like Peanut Butter and Honey. ;P
[14:55] <chris92> nice comparison :D
[14:55] <pomeisl_> sl
[14:56] <geirha> AdvoWork: ssh -t user@host 'screen -rd myScreen || screen -S myScreen'
[14:56] <RFleming> Dr_willis: I like this tmux cheatsheet... a github gist. https://gist.github.com/1967800
[14:56] <geirha> AdvoWork: Run that and start your command. If your ssh connection dies, run it again and it should give you back the virtual terminal
[14:57] <Dr_willis> tmux i think reconnects to the last session automatically.
[14:57] <maddhacker> hello world!
[14:57] <Dr_willis> byobu is a nicer 'front end' to screen and tmux also.. makes it a little easier to use
[14:58] <RFleming> Dr_willis: don't forget about the BFC ;)
[14:58] <Dr_willis> cant say ive ever used BFC.
[14:58] <AdvoWork> geirha, impressed, i like that thanks
[14:58] <RFleming> Dr_willis: Big F*****g Clock.
[14:58] <Dr_willis> I only use tmux when im sshd in from my cellphone these days. ;)
[14:58] <maddhacker> hello world!
[14:58] <RFleming> play on Doom BFG :)
[14:59] <pomeisl> !hu
[15:00] <digitig> Hi. I need help mounting NAS. I can connect to it using Nautilus "Connect to Server" but that doesn't seem to put it in my filesystem (if it does I can't find it) and I have to do it every time.  I'm trying mount commands like "sudo mount -t cifs '//192.168.0.16:/Tim' /media/tim -o uuid=1000,gid=1000 but I get a long error about possible problems beginning "wrong fs type". Can anybody help?
[15:01] <ehi> salve
[15:01] <digitig> Ok, that emoticon was a colon and a slash.
[15:01] <mikubuntu> ever since i added edubuntu packages to my system, i have to input my wireless password everytime i boot up -- is this a known issue?
[15:01] <ehi> file system has an incompatible feature enabled. Compatible features are has_journal, dir_index. filetype, sparse_super and large_file. Use tune2fs or debugfs to remove features.
[15:01] <AdvoWork> geirha, when does the screen session die then?
[15:02] <geirha> AdvoWork: when you exit the shell it's running
[15:02] <AdvoWork> but i can reconnect back to it with the same command, or only if its exit not-manually
[15:02] <geirha> AdvoWork: e.g. after the long running command is done, type exit or hit Ctrl+d
[15:02] <AdvoWork> ah ok, thought so, thanks
[15:03] <geirha> AdvoWork: Then again, you can just leave it and reuse it for whatever else
[15:03] <AdvoWork> geirha, one more thing sorry, i assume if i use that command to connect to ssh server1, if i ssh from that to another server, will all of it be remembered or will i need to do the screen again?
[15:04] <Dr_willis> screen stays alive till you kill it
[15:05] <geirha> AdvoWork: Do read some docs on screen or tmux. You won't regret it. See the /topic of #screen and/or #tmux for some good tutorials/guides
[15:06] <pomeisl> !hu
[15:07] <lotus> hey, I want to be able to use mail() from my localhost -- yet, when I do it apparently doesn't go through.  I've ran sudo apt-get install postfix -- what's left?
[15:07] <rlw980> Can I use EyeToy as a webcam?
[15:07] <bazhang> !webcam | rlw980 read this
[15:08] <Dr_willis> rlw980,  i have befor.
[15:08] <rlw980> bazhang: Thanks
[15:08] <Dr_willis> rlw980,  i think theres differnt versions of the EyeToy
[15:08] <rlw980> ubottu: Thanks
[15:08] <rlw980> ubottu: Reallly?
[15:09] <rlw980> Dr_willis: have you
[15:09] <Dr_willis> rlw980,  i have befor.  yes... ages ago.
[15:10] <rlw980> Dr_willis: can i yes or no?
[15:10] <digitig> bump
[15:10] <Dr_willis> rlw980,  I have BEFOR.. so YES they have worked for me.. Plug the silly thing in and see...
[15:10] <rlw980> Floodbot1: ???
[15:10] <no_gravity> Hello! I just noticed some insanity while trying Mint and wonder if this also happens in Ubuntu now: When you choose germany as your location during install, it creates german directory names. So "Desktop" isnt called "Desktop" but "Arbeitsfläche". Does this come from the latest Debian release or is it an invention of Ubuntu or Mint?
[15:10] <piecemkr> rlw980: google it -.-
[15:11] <bazhang> !google > piecemkr
[15:11] <Dr_willis> no_gravity,  localization of those names have been around in ubuntu for some time.  No idea if debian does it or not
[15:11] <RFleming> Dr_willis: my webcam does funny things in Ubuntu... When it goes to take a picture (like when installing Ubuntu), I end up with the picture offset by 90 degrees, with my right side on the left half, and my left side on the right half.
[15:11] <rlw980> piecemkr: If I go a do that, what is the point of this chat service then ;-)
[15:11] <chris92> no_gravity: I can confirm that this also happens on ubuntu... my desktop is also called Arbeitsfläche
[15:12] <Dr_willis> RFleming,  i had a laptop that inverted the image. :)
[15:12] <RFleming> Dr_willis: nice! :)
[15:12] <rlw980> Dr_willis: Ok, what do I do install the drivers for iy
[15:12] <RFleming> Ubuntu is so artistic :)
[15:12] <no_gravity> Dr_willis, chris92: ok. so let me try to find out what debian says about it. If possible I would like to avoid a distribution that does this.
[15:12] <bkc_> no_gravity: yes, mine was called "Skrivbord" (Swedish)
[15:12] <Dr_willis> rlw980,  i had to install Nothing..  I plugged it in and it worked..
[15:12] <rlw980> RFleming: I agree too =)
[15:12] <piecemkr> rlw980: because it's simplier? i googled it and bam! answer is second link
[15:12] <Dr_willis> no_gravity,  you want to avoid a diserto that customuzes things to the proper language?
[15:13] <bazhang> piecemkr, dont suggest google it here. ever.
[15:13] <rlw980> Dr_willis: Did it work, web you test it online, like online chat room
[15:13] <bkc_> Dr_willis: the directories should be the same on any language...
[15:13] <chris92> should be, yes, but they arent
[15:13] <bkc_> indeed
[15:13] <rlw980> piecemkr: Still, this is the best place for support
[15:14] <Dr_willis> rlw980,  it took pictures and video...  so it worked.. Now IF it worked on those silly flash-chat things in web browsers no idea  Flash and working webcams often have issues in linux.
[15:14] <jrib> no_gravity: that's been around for a very long time... see ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[15:14] <write> guys, really :( i cant make soun work on my recent Lubuntu install :(
[15:14] <chris92> bkc_, Dr_willis: If i knew it earlier, I would've chosen English as an install language
[15:14] <no_gravity> Dr_willis: yes. i like my filesystem to be the same across all my machines. and when i talk to somebody - from whichever country - i want to be able to tell him "look into directory X" without language barriers.
[15:14] <no_gravity> jrib: my debian 6 machines dont do it.
[15:14] <write> the card is recognised, the modules are installed...
[15:14] <bazhang> write, open a terminal, type alsamixer, set PCM to 80 and make sure the rest are not muted
[15:15] <rlw980> Dr_willis: Oh right, because I just wanted to know if I could use it or not.
[15:15] <jrib> no_gravity: xdg-user-dirs package is responsible for it and you can control its behavior with /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf .  I don't know if debian installs it by default or not
[15:15] <write> bazhang: PCM ?
[15:15] <bazhang> write, open a terminal
[15:15] <write> noting is muted, auto-mute is disabled
[15:16] <write> everything is upto 100%
[15:16] <bazhang> then set PCM to 80, and NOT max
[15:16] <bazhang> write, dont set to MAX
[15:16] <write> what is PCM
[15:16] <write> ive set everything to 80%
[15:17] <no_gravity> jrib: might be easier to just choose english for everything when installing an ubuntu based distro in the future. but if i can avoid it (read: if debian doesnt do it) i will rather stay away from the whole issue.
[15:17] <digitig> Anybody?
[15:17] <write> still no sound :( the card is recongnised... volumes are unmuted.. what am i missing?
[15:18] <bazhang> digitig, anybody what
[15:18] <Dr_willis> !anyone
[15:18] <jrib> no_gravity: #debian can help with that I guess
[15:18] <digitig> I asked a question a while back about how to mount NAS.
[15:18] <piecemkr> jrib: he's on #debian right now ;)
[15:18] <no_gravity> jrib: im talking to them. didnt get an answer so far.
[15:18] <r3boot> anybody here with ubuntu preseeding knowledge? It seems that some preseed variables do not influence d-i and break automated installs
[15:19] <no_gravity> jrib: they always get really sore when you mention other OSes...
[15:19] <write> bazhang: any more ideas? im so tired, did a plenty of tries, now i am at a fresh install, wanna do this well
[15:19] <boubakr92> Hi,
[15:19] <Dr_willis> if the user selects english as their language, then it should change the stuff to the english names.
[15:19] <jrib> no_gravity: I don't see why you'd mention other OSes.  Just ask if xdg-user-dirs is installed/enabled by default. And the /real/ debian channel is on irc.oftc.net :P
[15:20] <bazhang> write, what sound card. did you try setting via the pavucontrol or other pulse settings
[15:21] <no_gravity> jrib: im an honest soul :) so i mentioned that i noticed it on mint and got confirmations that its like that on ubuntu and would like to know if it is a Debian or Ubuntu invention.
[15:21] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys i want run 32-bit java in 64-machine please guide me how to do this
[15:21] <jrib> no_gravity: well the xdg-user-dirs package is from debian originally; whether it's installed and enabled by default is the real question
[15:21] <write> i heard pulseaudio is buggy, and i dont wanna install it.. the card is HDA ATI SB
[15:21] <dhanasekaran> jdk1.7.0_07/bin# ./java -version
[15:21] <dhanasekaran> -bash: ./java: No such file or directory
[15:21] <piecemkr> no_gravity: Im running squeeze right now and I don't have localisation issues
[15:22] <write> bazhang: i dont have pavucontrol, but ive tried with xfce ...
[15:22] <mercano> Привет
[15:22] <write> bazhang: but with no luck
[15:22] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys i want run 32-bit java in 64-machine please guide me how to do this
[15:22] <no_gravity> piecemkr: is "squeeze" the same as "debian testing"?
[15:22] <bazhang> !ru | mercano
[15:22] <dhanasekaran> Hi Guys i want run 32-bit java in 64-machine please guide me how to do this
[15:22] <piecemkr> no_gravity: it's current debian stable
[15:22] <bazhang> !repeat | dhanasekaran
[15:22] <no_gravity> piecemkr: "current stable" = debian 6?
[15:22] <piecemkr> no_gravity: yup
[15:23] <thebananafish> dhanasekaran: sudo apt-get install ia32-sun-java6-bin
[15:23] <no_gravity> piecemkr: yeah, i run that myself. no localisation issues.
[15:23] <bazhang> thebananafish, thats not correct
[15:23] <lotus> LF 2 soj offering windforce w/ 40%ed /msg lotus
[15:23] <no_gravity> So nobody here runs testing? Or nobody runs something else then english as the language?
[15:23] <digitig> I'll try again. I can connect to my NAS via nautilus "Connect to Server", server "192.168.0.16", share "Tim", no user details needed. What do I need to put in my /etc/fstab to mount this automatically on //media/tim ?
[15:23] <bazhang> lotus, wrong channel
[15:23] <dhanasekaran> thebananafish, thanks i am trying in ubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[15:23] <chris92> im running german, but xubuntu, not debian
[15:23] <lotus> bazhang: sry ty~
[15:24] <bazhang> no_gravity, there is no testing
[15:24] <no_gravity> bazhang: what do you mean?
[15:25] <write> bazhang: any more ideas? im so tired, did a plenty of tries, now i am at a fresh install, wanna do this well
[15:25] <no_gravity> bazhang: ah, yes im in the wrong channel.
[15:25] <bazhang> no_gravity, this is not debain. there is no testing
[15:25] <write> sorry, keyboard got stuck
[15:25] <write> ive installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol
[15:25] <write> but pulseaudio wont start.. the terminal just waits
[15:25] <no_gravity> bazhang: yupp
[15:25] <bazhang> write, installed pulseaudio? what distro are you using
[15:26] <write> bazhang: how can i find that out for you ?
[15:26] <bazhang> !version | write
[15:26] <usr13> digitig: NAS?
[15:26] <write> bazhang: lubuntu 12.04
[15:27] <digitig> @usr13: "Network Attached Storage"
[15:27] <Respite212> hello everyone
[15:28] <chris92> hello Respite212
[15:28] <Respite212> Im a new user to Ubuntu, I just migrated from Windows.
[15:28] <usr13> digitig: Ok, well, I'm still in the dark.  What is it? How is it connected?  Is it NFS or Samba, or?
[15:29] <write> bazhang: im in pavu control, everything looks oke,... but no sound :-s
[15:29] <Respite212> I got some questions if anyone be willing to help me?
[15:29] <chris92> Respite212: just ask your questions =)
[15:29] <Respite212> ah ok. Not sure what are the courtesy's here.
[15:29] <ikonia> Respite212: if they are about ubuntu, just ask
[15:30] <ikonia> Respite212: this channel is free flowing ubuntu support discussion
[15:30] <digitig> usr13: It's plugged in to the same ethernet router as my computer.
[15:30] <usr13> digitig: Sorry, I don't know what Network Attached Storage is.
[15:30] <rlw980> Respite212: Just ask
[15:30] <rlw980> chris92: yes, ask your questions
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> usr13  it's an external harddisk with network capabilities
[15:31] <digitig> usr13: It's a disk drive with an Ethernet connection, so everything on the network can see it.
[15:31] <chris92> rlw980: huh? didnt say I had any questions :P
[15:31] <write> bazhang: just rebooted, everything in pavucontrol looked setup ok ... what could be the problem /?
[15:31]  * MonkeyDust wants a NAS
[15:31] <rlw980> chris92: Oh, sorry buddy =P
[15:32] <chris92> rlw980: np ^^
[15:32] <Respite212> great thanks! Here goes: I got 2 ssd harddrives (non-raid). I want a fresh install of unbuntu with no other operating systems on any of the 2 drives. What I want to do is customize an installation with custom partitions. I read up on root, /usr, /var, /tmp, /home /boot and such. However I am do not know the difference between primary, logical, extention and which file system type to use for those partitions, as well as the size o
[15:32] <rlw980> chris92: Anyways talking about a question, I've got a question?
[15:32] <bazhang> write, not sure about lubuntu; did not know they didnt have pulse default installed
[15:32] <digitig> MonkeyDust: I has a NAS. Wants connection. </lolcats>
[15:32] <usr13> digitig: Well, I don't know about making a fastab entry for it.  I think you need to just keep on accessing it the way you are now.  Maybe someone else knows of a method of consistantly mounting such a device.
[15:32] <write> damn! made it
[15:32] <whoever>  hi all, is there a place othere thn /var/run/<program name>/ where pids are stored, ie: when i start and stop lighttpd there is a pid stored somewhere else othere than /var/run/lighttp/. can someone asist me in finding this phantom pid
[15:33] <write> bazhang:  thanks, everything works great now, event the icon in bar :) thank you
[15:33] <chris92> rlw980: im not that experienced in ubuntu either, rather a newbie as well :P
[15:33] <rlw980> chris92: Dammm, lol ok
[15:33] <rlw980> chris92: Welcome newbie ;-)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> NAS is ok , but using ntfs on an external drive is just as effective and all pcs on a network will see and have access to the media/data
[15:33] <chris92> rlw980: thx :)
[15:34] <rlw980> Hi Ubuntu Loversssss!!, I've got a question,
[15:34] <digitig> usr13: The trouble with accessing it as I am is that it doesn't seem to appear in the filesystem (at least, I can't find it). I have to work on my local drives then drag files to and from the NAS using Nautilus.
[15:35] <ikonia> Respite212: there is no difference for primary / logical partitions, and seperate /usr partitions is a legacy idea for when disks where much smaller
[15:35] <rlw980> Can I download programs like .exe .rar, etc
[15:35] <ikonia> Respite212: you shouldn't need to do that and there is pretty much no advantage in using seperate partititions like that
[15:36] <chris92> rlw980: you can download them, but you won't be able to use .exe programs naturally
[15:36] <ikonia> rlw980: no, .exe files are windows executables, rar files are compressed files, so sure
[15:36] <ikonia> rlw980: are you new to ubuntu ?
[15:36] <blackshirt> rlw980,sure
[15:36] <usr13> digitig: Still not enough info.  It's just a problem I've not encountered before and I can't think of any solution.
[15:36] <rlw980> ikonia: No, why
[15:37] <rlw980> chris92 why not
[15:37] <usr13> digitig: If I had such equipment here, I could experiment with it, but I don't.
[15:37] <ikonia> rlw980: I was just going to give you some introduction information for ubuntu if you where new, I was asking due to your questions
[15:37] <rlw980> blackshirt: How?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> rlw980, yes , the .exex file will need wine or a virtual box of some kind with windows to run them
[15:37] <BluesKaj> err exe
[15:37] <Respite212> ikonia: Basically I want all drivers and system files on one disk with a small partition dedicated to work programs such as text editors, excel and powerpoints, but then I also want a partition on my second disk to be dedicated for gaming. How would I set that up?
[15:37] <ikonia> rlw980: what exactly is it you want to download
[15:37] <digitig> usr13: Ok, I'll try an email forum instead.
[15:37] <usr13> digitig: Ok.  Sorry.
[15:37] <ikonia> Respite212: when you say gaming, do you mean a windows install ?
[15:38] <rlw980> BlueKaj: What the program interface like?
[15:38] <Respite212> ikonia: No, pure ubuntu.
[15:38] <ikonia> Respite212: then why do you need seperate partitions ?
[15:38] <ikonia> Respite212: what use is that going to be ?
[15:39] <Respite212> ikonia: Hmm, I guess my primary question is, how do I download and install to a specific drive?
[15:39] <rlw980> ikonia: Anti-virus, networking managering support software, remote desktop connection, etc.
[15:39] <ikonia> Respite212: download a drive ???
[15:39] <ikonia> Respite212: a drive is a disk ?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> !wine > rlw980
[15:39] <chris92> ikonia: re-read the question ;)
[15:39] <ikonia> Respite212: well a.) you don't use antivirus the same as windows - you certainly don't download a windows question
[15:39] <ikonia> windows antivirus sorry
[15:39] <ikonia> chris92: who's ?
[15:40] <Respite212> ikonia: huh?
[15:40] <usr13> Respite212: Your ideas for separate partitions are a bit out of the ordinary.  I might suggest 3:  swap  /  and /home
[15:40] <usr13> Respite212: It's the way I do it.
[15:40] <chris92> ikonia: Respite's  ;) he wanted to download sth to a specific drive, not download a drive =)
[15:40] <rlw980> BluesKaj: Ok =-)
[15:40] <ikonia> I see
[15:40] <thebananafish> I didn't know you could download a drive, but you can download more ram.. www.downloadmoreram.com ;)
[15:41] <escott> Respite212, /usr/share/games contains most of the larger files related to games (textures and the like) you could put that on a separate partition
[15:41] <Respite212> ikonia: reason I ask how I should partition is because I want everything organized, root goes to root, /usr goes to user, /home/name goes to /home/name
[15:41] <ikonia> thebananafish: please don't post that sort of junk
[15:41] <ikonia> Respite212: what do you mean "user" goes to /usr
[15:41] <ikonia> Respite212: pretty much everything is installed in "/usr"
[15:42] <Froward> how do I see all Unity lenses that I have installed? I am trying to remove a Rotten Tomatos lense that crashes constantly.
[15:42] <Respite212> ikonia: sorry that was a typo.
[15:42] <abhijitgavas> hi, i am in a big trouble. please help. http://askubuntu.com/questions/194090/recovering-data-from
[15:43] <paulens12> hello
[15:43] <_0x783czar> Respite212: do you mean you want those files on their own partition?
[15:43] <knight_terror> I think, respite is trying to change links of those specific folders to another storage so that it wont take that much of a space in the root folder
[15:43] <ikonia> abhijitgavas: data is gone
[15:43] <Respite212> _Ox783czar: yes.
[15:43] <ikonia> Respite212: your approach is flawed and won't work with any unix like system
[15:43] <Respite212> I am working with rather small ssd drives and every gig is precious
[15:43] <_0x783czar> well that's a good practice, what kind of drive setup do you have?
[15:44] <ikonia> Respite212: pretty much all binaries, office, work, games, etc will go into /usr/bin or /usr/sbin
[15:44] <abhijitgavas> ikonia: is there nothing i can try?
[15:44] <ikonia> Respite212: all personal data will live in /home
[15:44] <ikonia> abhijitgavas: try what you like, I believe that data is gone
[15:45] <paulens12> i need a little advice... i want to dual boot ubuntu with windows but i have probs with partitioning... i have 2 partitions and i want to take some gigabytes from both of them
[15:45] <knight_terror> respite, I know the idea I dont know if this will help, since you can actually edit the links of this folder, by just change your settings, try to search the net since it is there already
[15:45] <knight_terror> paulene, different hard drive or just one HDD?
[15:45] <paulens12> one hdd
[15:46] <abhijitgavas> ikonia: what if i format it back to ntfs and try from windows? any chance that would work?
[15:46] <paulens12> but when i shrink two partitions, the free space spans my 2nd partition
[15:46] <ikonia> abhijitgavas: no
[15:46] <Guest42122> ciao a tutti
[15:46] <Guest42122> lista!
[15:46] <Respite212> knight_terror: I did search the net and found a pretty neat linux tip's on disk partitioning, problem is, it deals with workstations and mail servers.
[15:46] <Guest42122> list!
[15:46] <pynix_> newer....
[15:46] <knight_terror> paulene, ill assume you have windows for gaming, and linux just to get the know the system, i will suggest 75% inw windows space and just 25% in ur ubuntu since it does not require that much of a space
[15:46] <paulens12> and so i can't connect them into one partition, i can only make 2 separate partitions
[15:46] <chris92> abhijitgavas: once formatting with a different filesystem, you can be 99% sure that your data is gone, formatting a second time with another filesystem will make it worse
[15:47] <_0x783czar> Respite212: OK, what sort of drive setup do you have?
[15:47] <Froward> okay, lenses/scopes are stored in /usr/share/unity/lenses but I can't delete or rename the files. how do I uninstall them? I don't know the exact name of the package.
[15:47] <paulens12> yeah but i have windows NOT for gaming...
[15:47] <Respite212> drive setup? 2 x 120 gigbyte ssd sata drives.
[15:47] <paulens12> actually i don't play computer games much
[15:47] <_0x783czar> Respite212: OK, how many partitions do you want?
[15:47] <pynix_> .....
[15:47] <ikonia> Respite212: that's a LOT of space for a linux install
[15:48] <_0x783czar> Respite212: or are you asking how you should partition?
[15:48] <ikonia> Respite212: you should be fine with just one of those 120GB disks
[15:48] <pynix_> ..........
[15:48] <knight_terror> hmm,, i have total of 7 HDD installed in my PC, and respite, what I do is just create short cut links, about downloading files, you an just set the settings, Idont get it, what you mean you are having an error to your drives?
[15:48] <chris92> i got a 80GB U-ATA drive here, so 240gb should be plenty :D
[15:48] <abhijitgavas> chris92: thanks for the info :(
[15:48] <paulens12> so, i have two pieces of free space. 1st is 30gb and 2nd is 36gb
[15:48] <Respite212> _0x783czar: How I should partition.
[15:48] <MonkeyDust> !partition > Respite212
[15:49] <Respite212> I know I need a root, swap, home, usr but not sure if I need anything else like /tmp or /boot.
[15:49] <pynix_> hide join and quit...
[15:49] <ikonia> Respite212: you don't want usr
[15:49] <paulens12> how much space is reccommended for running ubuntu with some apps?
[15:49] <pynix_> f_ck...
[15:49] <ikonia> pynix_: unacceptable language, stop it
[15:49] <actionParsnip> Respite212: i suggest you only use /home, / and swap
[15:49] <_0x783czar> Respite212: OK, well I'm not sure how much data you plan on having, but you've got a good amount to work with.
[15:49] <pynix_> sorry...
[15:50] <paulens12> oh and, i could use the 2nd part of space to install apps?
[15:50] <paulens12> should i mount it as /usr folder?
[15:50] <knight_terror> paulene you can run ubuntu in 10 gig actually, it wil ldpend to you, but the minimum is 20gig atleast-- with basic utility
[15:50] <_0x783czar> Respite212: I imagine the reason you want to partition is so that you can get the most out of both drives?  Or is there some other reason you want to divide your filesystem on multiple partitions?
[15:50] <paulens12> yyeah so...
[15:50] <actionParsnip> paulens12: my / partition is 10Gb and has about 4Gb used. I have a separate /home partition
[15:50] <ikonia> Respite212: you will be fine with 3 partitions, / /home and swap
[15:50] <paulens12> can you tell me, which folder sonsumes most of space?
[15:50] <ikonia> Respite212: you'll find it easier to manage and cause less problems
[15:51] <paulens12> root? or usr?
[15:51] <actionParsnip> paulens12: /usr holds most
[15:51] <paulens12> oh
[15:51] <pynix_> python3 process is too slow.........
[15:51] <knight_terror> respite, you can just use 2 partition
[15:51] <pynix_> software-center is still python2........
[15:52] <Respite212> _Ox783czar: Well I am a previous window user here, so I want to be organized.
[15:52] <paulens12> ok so i guess it would be perfect, if i use one partition to install, and mount another as /usr?
[15:52] <pynix_> in beta2...
[15:52] <paulens12> or not? lol
[15:52] <pynix_> lol
[15:52] <pynix_> what is this?
[15:52] <ikonia> Respite212: it really doesn't work like windows, so it's best to not use it as a reference
[15:52] <bazhang> pynix_, stop it
[15:52] <chris92> paulens12: one partition is enough
[15:52] <paulens12> umm
[15:53] <paulens12> my one partition is 30 gb...
[15:53] <chris92> paulens12: dont forget tho, that you need a swap partition as well
[15:53] <pynix_> what's up?
[15:53] <chris92> paulens12: you want to dualboot windows and ubuntu, right?
[15:53] <bazhang> pynix_, `stop with the random commentary
[15:53] <Respite212> ikonia: Well here's what I want, /root, /home /swap /boot /tmp would that be good?
[15:53] <paulens12> yes
[15:53] <knight_terror> Respite212: zzz dont compare it to windows you will have a head ache
[15:53] <ikonia> Respite212: why do you want that ?
[15:53] <ikonia> Respite212: what benifit do you think it will give you ?
[15:53] <paulens12> sorry i'm a bit noob here, first time installing linux on pc...
[15:54] <_0x783czar> Respite212: OK, well generally partitioning is most useful to servers where disk space is a precious commodity.  I understand your frame of reference coming as a Windows user, Linux can take some getting used to.  What will you be using your computer for the most?  Do you plan on storing a lot of media?
[15:54] <actionParsnip> Respite212: seems excessive, any reason?
[15:54] <AdvoWork> hmm, with screen, can you not scroll up?
[15:54] <adante> hi, when i run aptitude update i get this: 'Something wicked happened resolving 'au.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)' -- i don't really care what hte issue is as i'd like to just have my computer working instead of spending 40 hours tinkering with it, how can i fix this?
[15:54] <pynix_> what can i do?
[15:54] <chris92> paulens12: its no problem. the second partition (where windows is on) will be accessible anyways. you need to install linux on the partition where windows isnt installed
[15:54] <paulens12> i have ubuntu 12 on my phone lol
[15:54] <knight_terror> Respite212: that is no good, since ubuntu does not take of a space, it will just be a nuissanc
[15:54] <bazhang> !ot | pynix_
[15:54] <paulens12> ok but
[15:54] <paulens12> i mean
[15:54] <Respite212> I store a lot of videos, movies and music on my primary drive.
[15:54] <paulens12> i have 2 free partitions
[15:54] <Respite212> and my second ssd drive I use for gaming.
[15:54] <knight_terror> Respite212: try doing 2 or 3 partition
[15:54] <paulens12> 30gb and 36gb
[15:54] <ikonia> Respite212: you can't work like that
[15:55] <pynix_> thx
[15:55] <ikonia> Respite212: as I told you earlier, most binaries will go into /usr/bin
[15:55] <actionParsnip> Respite212: you don't need a separate /boot and /tmp for video collecting...
[15:55] <ikonia> Respite212: you can't have /usr/bin and then /usr/games - the packages will still want to install into /usr/bin
[15:55] <MonkeyDust> Respite212  like said before, / , /home and swap
[15:55] <chris92> paulens12: ah okay, you could probably delete these two partitions and make one out of them
[15:55] <actionParsnip> paulens12: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1247768/    are my folder usages here :)
[15:55] <knight_terror> tRespite212: do this, create a partition on where you will put them all there rather having too much trouble thinking how to how
[15:55] <paulens12> no
[15:55] <paulens12> i can't
[15:55] <paulens12> that's why i came here
[15:55] <paulens12> those partitions span another one
[15:55] <ikonia> Respite212: people are advising you / /home swap - that's all you need
[15:55] <Respite212> knight_terror: AHHHH I see.
[15:55] <ikonia> Respite212: you don't even have to have /home seperate
[15:55] <paulens12> and i can't move it
[15:56] <paulens12> it has unmovable files
[15:56] <Respite212> so all personal stuff goes to /home?
[15:56] <_0x783czar> Respite212: yes
[15:56] <paulens12> ...
[15:56] <ikonia> Respite212: yes, as I told you earlier
[15:56] <knight_terror> YEAH
[15:56] <knight_terror> that is why it was called home :X
[15:56] <actionParsnip> Respite212: you could have a small partition for /home and a separate partition for the data, but having a separate partition for /tmp and /boot doesn't gain you anything in a video collecting situation
[15:57] <chris92> paulens12: what files are those?
[15:57] <Respite212> actionParsnip: No, I want /boot and /tmp for all the temporary data I get browsing the web and /boot just in case my system crashes.
[15:57] <paulens12> windows...
[15:57] <actionParsnip> Respite212: if the system crashes it can still affect /boot
[15:57] <Respite212> actionParsnip: Oh
[15:57] <chris92> paulens12: okay. on which of those two partitions is windows installed? 30gb or 36gb?
[15:58] <paulens12> i have windows 8 release preview for everyday use, windows 7 without internet adapter drivers, to flash stuff to my phone
[15:58] <actionParsnip> Respite212: if you want to keep temp stuff out also put /var on its own partition
[15:58] <paulens12> and i need a third os
[15:58] <paulens12> lol
[15:58] <actionParsnip> Respite212: if you have enough RAM you can put your web cache in tempfs and make web browsing faster :)
[15:59] <chris92> paulens12: then just install it on a free partition, its not that hard ^^ you will be able to access the files from the other partitions/drives thru linux anyways, if you didnt use bitlocker
[15:59] <Respite212> actionParsnip: Not sure what that meant. btw, isn't /var for databases?
[15:59] <_0x783czar> Respite212: No
[15:59] <_0x783czar> Respite212: /var is used by lots of programs
[16:00] <paulens12> well
[16:00] <paulens12> is 36gb enough?
[16:00] <Respite212> how much space should I allocate for /?
[16:00] <chris92> paulens12: it depends on what you want to do with the system
[16:01] <paulens12> i will want to install stuff like compilers, development kits...
[16:01] <_0x783czar> Respite212: try 10 or 15GB
[16:01] <sugartiger> geforce 610m. hybrid crap. how do i install ubuntu? i just get a blank screen. esc + f6 wont work. anyone else stuc with that problem??
[16:01] <paulens12> and some programs
[16:01] <paulens12> like
[16:01] <paulens12> advanced text editor, ftp client
[16:02] <paulens12> just programs
[16:02] <actionParsnip> Respite212: its used for the deb files during updates, amongst other things
[16:02] <chris92> paulens12: 36gb should be enough I guess...
[16:02] <paulens12> and i want to run it smooh
[16:02] <paulens12> smooth*
[16:02] <chris92> paulens12: unlike windows, ubuntu doesnt need that much disk space
[16:02] <paulens12> ok i see...
[16:03] <paulens12> but i always want to have some extra space
[16:03] <sugartiger> seems that many have trouble with the hybrid cards. was just hoping there could be a way around it.
[16:03] <paulens12> maybe i'll need something more later
[16:03] <Respite212> so according to the 3 partition for the sda drive, I should have /root = 15g, /swap= 12g and /home = 93 g?
[16:03] <paulens12> i'm  still learning lol
[16:03] <paulens12> so i think i'll need more and more with time
[16:03] <paulens12> that happenes with windows....
[16:03] <actionParsnip> Respite212: how much RAM do you have? and do you need suspend / hibernate?
[16:03] <paulens12> happened*
[16:03] <bazhang> !enter | paulens12
[16:04] <paulens12> umm ok xDDD
[16:04] <chris92> paulens12: if you have a spare hard drive somewhere, try to use that for linux. ^^
[16:04] <Respite212> actionParsni: I have 8 gig ram and normally I do not suspend /hibernate, if i am leaving the comp it's turned off.
[16:04] <paulens12> nah, only a 32gb usb drive
[16:04] <_0x783czar> Respite212: /usr is where most of your programs will be installed.  /home is where most of your documents, media etc will go.  So if you plan on installing LOTs of programs you may want to give root more space, or give /usr it's own partition.
[16:04] <paulens12> but
[16:04] <actionParsnip> Respite212: then 8.8Gb for swap
[16:05] <bazhang> paulens12, stop with the excessive enter key
[16:05] <paulens12> i could mount the second partition as /usr?
[16:05] <paulens12> ummm, i didn't press it so much O.o
[16:06] <Respite212> _Ox783czar: majority of the programs I want to install would be in sdb drive. Only programs I would want to install in sda are things like text editors, movie players, powerpoints, excels and such
[16:06] <chris92> paulens12: about the partitioning, ask others. I'm still fairly new to ubuntu and didnt do anything like partitioning for some folder only and stuff like that yet
[16:06] <paulens12> ok lol
[16:07] <chris92> paulens12: cant help you with that unfortunately. it works tho, as others are talking about it right now :) e.g. actionParsnip is in a discussion about that right now :P
[16:07] <paulens12> so, anyone, i need an advice: should i mount a partition as /usr?
[16:07] <_0x783czar> Respite212: but honestly, there's probably no huge reason why need to partiton.  But there's also not huge reason why you shouldn't if you like.  So your proposal sounds fine.  It's really just up to you.  Don't give root a smaller partition than 10GB (since you have the space) give yourself a few gigs of swap, and then partition the rest as you see fit.  Maybe look up what each of the linux filesystem folders is for.  Because /var ha
[16:08] <Respite212> _Ox783czar: /var ha?
[16:08] <boxysean> hey folks. i'm running 12.04, recently let aptitude remove a few unused packages, and since then haven't been able to log into unity. (reboot, enter password, blank screen with mouse pointer + no menu + no icons). any pro tips on fixing this? i am able to get into my account via terminal (ctrl-alt-f1 style)
[16:08] <sugartiger> another question. kinda not Ubuntu. but i guess there are some urt players here. I want to play Urban Terror (im an old fart), but i cant get through the firewall. anyway to channel data through port 80? should i play using a proxy? I can live without torrents, but i need my UT fix :)
[16:08] <_0x783czar> Respite212: /var is used for logs, server programs like apache, etc.
[16:09] <bazhang> !aptitude | boxysean
[16:09] <Respite212> _Ox783czar: I won't need /var
[16:09] <paulens12> anyone? xD
[16:10] <Respite212> Im also curious, if I download drivers like the drivers for nvidia gtx 660 ti, where would that be installed to? /root? or /home?
[16:10] <jrib> Respite212: likely neither
[16:10] <actionParsnip> Respite212: they will be installed all over /  they are not installed in /home
[16:10] <_0x783czar> Respite212: definitely neither
[16:10] <bazhang> !helpme | paulens12
[16:11] <paulens12> !repeat
[16:11] <paulens12> lol
[16:11] <bazhang> paulens12, stop that
[16:11] <paulens12> what, "lol"?
[16:12] <bazhang> paulens12, the excessive noise
[16:12] <paulens12> y r u so mean with me? ;(
[16:12] <Respite212> On my SDB drive, if the entire drive is going to be used for games, I won't need a partition for it would I?
[16:12] <sugartiger> anyone ran into the trouble with installing 12.04 on laptops with hybrid GPUs??
[16:12] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, you need a partition
[16:12] <actionParsnip> Respite212: yes, you will have 1 partition using 100% of the space
[16:13] <actionParsnip> sugartiger: i've seen nothing but trouble with hybrid GPUs
[16:14] <sugartiger> actionParsnip hmm... i guess i have just seen the same :( thanks to the guys from Nvidia to consider Ubuntu. I hope Cannonical will make some sort of deal with them.
[16:14] <adante> what is the name of the gnome wnidow manager?
[16:14] <_0x783czar> adante: gnome
[16:15] <adante> or whatever command i need to run to get a desktop environment?
[16:15] <actionParsnip> adante: the default is compiz or you can use metacity
[16:15] <linux4u> startx
[16:15] <magma> my computer crashed, how can I see the core dump or any log file?
[16:15] <wilee-nilee> adante, in unity it is compiz in gnome 3 mutter
[16:15] <chris92> adante: the command you are looking for would be "startx"
[16:15] <actionParsnip> sugartiger: they are best avoided, there is a doc on hybrid graphics, you may be able to turn one off. They are simply best avoided
[16:15] <paulens12> ok i'll just shrink one of those partitions even more xD
[16:15] <adante> chris92: unlikely as i am running vnc
[16:15] <actionParsnip> adante: the OS will boot to the desktop by default
[16:16] <adante> actionParsnip: i'm running vnc, desktop environment is nonexistent
[16:16] <adante> i ran metacity and i get a title bar
[16:16] <adante> on my window
[16:16] <Respite212> last question, which file system should I use? ext2 ext3 etx4? NTFS?
[16:16] <adante> i was kind of hoping for a bit more
[16:16] <paulens12> but can i install apps on different drive?
[16:16] <actionParsnip> adante: what are you intending to do on the remote system once you connect? There may be a sleeker solution
[16:16] <adante> like a desktop environment to start apps?
[16:16] <chris92> respite212: ext4
[16:16] <actionParsnip> Respite212: use Ext4
[16:16] <bazhang> paulens12, NO
[16:16] <actionParsnip> adante: apps like what?
[16:17] <Respite212> great. Thanks for all the help.
[16:17] <_0x783czar> Respite212: any will really do, expect NTFS, but I recommend ext4
[16:17] <actionParsnip> adante: are you wanting a remote controlled media centre?
[16:17] <adante> actionParsnip: uh downloading primarily, also hoping to use it to test cross browser compatibility for some websites
[16:17] <paulens12> sh*t...
[16:18] <sugartiger> actionParsnip i will try do locate the doc. thanks. hmm. and my urban terror question? haha.. i know.. i should get kicked for asking bout that. I just dont know where to ask about cercumventing a firewall so i can play Urban Terror. even though i consider it an emensely important technical question :)
[16:18] <adante> actionParsnip: this box already servers as a htpc but i thought i'd do a bit extra as well
[16:18] <actionParsnip> adante: you can use apps like fatrat and transmission's web UI to manage downloads well :)
[16:18] <bazhang> paulens12, no cursing here
[16:18] <whoever> can someone assist with a pid not geting deleted when i stop a server
[16:18] <whoever> *service
[16:18] <paulens12> well i used *...
[16:18] <actionParsnip> sugartiger: i play urban terror :)
[16:18] <adante> actionParsnip: well funny story, i was trying to use tranmission but i can't find the web ui
[16:18] <sugartiger> actionParsnip all riiiiight.. hight five :D
[16:18] <adante> actionParsnip: i think it's because i have an outdated ver of ubuntu
[16:19] <actionParsnip> sugartiger: easily installed via playdeb :)
[16:19] <paulens12> wtf
[16:19] <adante> actionParsnip: but funnily i try to update and it gives me an error i don't understand because i am not familiar with using the command line updater
[16:19] <bazhang> adante, what version
[16:19] <adante> actionParsnip: so i thought i would use the graphical one via vnc
[16:19] <actionParsnip> adante: which version?
[16:19] <adante> actionParsnip: except i start vnc and i don't have a desktop environment
[16:19] <whoever> when i stop the service the pid in /var/run is removed but the pid is still some where because i get this from ps awx http      5362  0.0  0.0 100980  1360 ?        S    10:50   0:00 /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf
[16:19] <adante> actionParsnip: how do i tell again? used to /etc/dist*
[16:19] <actionParsnip> adante: if you use vino, it should connect ok
[16:20] <actionParsnip> adante: or run:  lsb_release -sc
[16:20] <bazhang> !version | adante
[16:20] <adante> actionParsnip: 11.10
[16:20] <actionParsnip> adante: still fully supported :)
[16:20] <CarlFK> I have 10 terminal widows open, most sshed to some other host, which sets the window title.  how can I see a list of titles?
[16:20] <adante> actionParsnip: where is tranmission web ui then? i can't find a package? or a command that starts it?
[16:20] <adante> actionParsnip: all i have is tranmission-gtk command which i can't run (no display)
[16:20] <actionParsnip> CarlFK: Windows + W to show them all
[16:21] <adante> actionParsnip: tried with --help but still wants display
[16:21] <adante> also when i run aptitude update i get this: 'Something wicked happened resolving 'au.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)'
[16:21] <actionParsnip> adante: have it running at startup and enable the web UI
[16:21] <CarlFK> actionParsnip:that shows me an image of the window - I can't tell what host any are connected to
[16:21] <adante> i mean obviously it is parsing url wrong but.. well i just want it to work and not spend 3 days figuring it out :]
[16:21] <actionParsnip> adante: you will need to make it not allow only localhost but you can then connect to the hostname on port 8081 and see a web interface
[16:21] <jrib> CarlFK: hmmm... without checking, I would try: wmctrl, xwininfo, xprop (probably wmctrl)
[16:22] <actionParsnip> CarlFK: I use guake and name the tab after the host it is connected to
[16:22] <CarlFK> jrib: well, I want to be able to switch to the window too
[16:22] <adante> actionParsnip: how do i enable the web ui without a display?
[16:22] <adante> actionParsnip: how do i even start it without a display?
[16:22] <CarlFK> actionParsnip: whats guake?
[16:23] <jilt007> How to chat between two ubuntu machine voa terminal. I used nc -l 1234   and in second machine i used  nc hostname 1234 , but it is not working , but in same system it is workling. Any idea>?
[16:23] <adante> also back to my original question: how can i get a gnome environment on my vnc terminal? what command do i run? metacity gives me a window bar on my single window, but i want an environment like i get on a normal display
[16:23] <Respite212> sorry another question, should I have a separate partition for /tmp?
[16:23] <adante> like i used to get before i upgraded
[16:23] <jrib> CarlFK: wmctrl
[16:23] <Respite212> I know it's been answered b4, but I can't find it.
[16:24] <actionParsnip> adante: you can run:  ln -s /usr/share/applications/transmission-gtk.desktop ~/.config/autostart/transmission-gtk.desktop
[16:24] <actionParsnip> adante: it will then run at boot
[16:24] <bazhang> Respite212, no need
[16:24] <chris92> Respite212: no need, yea
[16:25] <jilt007> actionParsnip:  Any idea about my problem
[16:25] <magma> my computer crashed, how can I see the core dump or any log file?
[16:25] <Respite212> how do I clean any temporary internet files that's been stored on my system or rather, where would they be located?
[16:25] <turtle_> adante, can you not just bring up a terminal on the host, pop in transmission-gtk and configure the webui?
[16:25] <adante> actionParsnip: i'd prefer to keep it on my vnc display, i think i have it running
[16:26] <adante> turtle_: was tryign to run it without display but obv that is not possible
[16:26] <actionParsnip> jilt007: you could use notify-osd via SSH I guess
[16:26] <adante> but seriously, how do i get a gnome environment on my vnc display? it would be really useful
[16:26] <boxysean> bazhang: thanks for the link to the aptitude bug. i believed that aptitude was doing the right thing for me and accepted its changes. it seems like the workarounds suggested are preventative measures for those who have not accepted the aptitude changes, would you agree?
[16:26] <ejo> Help!  I'm on Ubuntu 12.10... deja-dup (backup) keeps failing with error code 500 when backing up to Ubuntu One.  I have it set to back up a single folder with only about 50MB of contents.  It's not out of space.  It normally works OK but for the past two days it has failed over and over with error 500.
[16:26] <jilt007> actionParsnip:  Please tell the command if possible , we are two friends on two machine and we want to chat both on their termianls
[16:26] <ejo> I have deleted the remote folder and re-established it, but to no avail.
[16:27] <actionParsnip> jilt007: export DISPLAY 0.0; notify-send 'Message' 'Test'
[16:28] <turtle_> adante: thats something ive struggled with in the past as well! no one ended upo telling me how to get the whole environment up lol
[16:28] <jilt007>  actionParsnip No ip or any hostname?
[16:28] <adante> turtle_: farcically typical linux
[16:28] <chris92> ejo: #ubuntu+1 is the place for future versions =)
[16:28] <CarlFK> jrib: neat.   not sure it will let me quickly switch to the window I want.. but still kinda neat
[16:28] <adante> turtle_: any luck with gnome-session? i tried but it is trying to enable compositing i think
[16:29] <turtle_> adante,  this was for logging in a second user, i ended up making do with docky, didnt actually need the whole environment in the end lol
[16:31] <actionParsnip> jilt007: you need to be SSH'd in first
[16:31] <jilt007> actionParsnip: ok i did now ?
[16:31] <actionParsnip> jilt007: could always setup a chat server for LAN
[16:32] <jilt007> actionParsnip:  Please give some guidence how to do that
[16:32] <profiler1982> do ou like gnome 3.6
[16:32] <actionParsnip> jilt007: look into jabber
[16:33] <jilt007> actionParsnip:  ok
[16:35] <idefix> actionParsnip!
[16:36] <ejo> chris92: my mistake!  I am on 12.04... when I wrote 12.10 it was just a mental slip.  I have never run future versions.
[16:36] <actionParsnip> idefix: sup
[16:36] <idefix> everybody is highly gifted
[16:36] <ejo> + no wonder I got no response on this last night, I probably made the same slip then.  Probably due to having run 11.10 for so long
[16:36] <actionParsnip> idefix: indeed
[16:37] <idefix> when was the last time you watched a good horror movie?
[16:38] <bazhang> !ot | idefix
[16:38] <actionParsnip> profiler1982: 3.6 is in Quantal which is supported in #ubuntu+1
[16:39] <ejo> OK, so restating with correct, actual Ubuntu version.
[16:39] <chris92> actionParsnip: btw, do you remember my wlan problem from yesterday with the BCM4318? it has gotten pretty weird after a reboot...
[16:39] <actionParsnip> chris92: I've drank and slept since then
[16:40] <ejo> I'm running 12.04.  64-bit.  deja-dup (backup) keeps failing, for the past 48hrs, with error 500.  It's set to backup a single relatively small folder to Ubuntu One.  The remote has plenty of room.
[16:40] <ejo> I normally has been working and I didn't change anything to make it stop working.  Maybe it's just a server issue?
[16:40] <bazhang> ejo, whats the error; also have you asked in #ubuntuone
[16:40] <profiler1982> am install on my 11.10 some extension and looks same like 3.6
[16:40] <chris92> actionParsnip: well long story short: i have to activate the device with "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" and restart the network manager each time I restart the notebook, otherwise it wont work :/
[16:41] <profiler1982> am interest iso of 3.6 what is it
[16:41] <adante> how can i configure, via the command line, gnome to use metacity?
[16:41] <bazhang> profiler1982, thats a gnome iso
[16:41] <ejo> bazhang: error is simple, just "backup failed: error code 500".  (which I am guessing is just http 500 for non-specific server error).  Thanks, i will try #ubuntuone too.  But I thought it might be a problem with deja-dup...
[16:42] <ejo> there is a bug filed for this problem since last year with no progress mentioned :P
[16:42] <actionParsnip> chris92: add the line in /etc/rc.local above the 'exit 0' line and it will run at boot
[16:42] <ejo> one workaround is mentioned: delete the remote folder every time this happens, which can be rarely or very often.
[16:42] <actionParsnip> adante: the last session is remembered, so if you log  to Unity2D session, it will be used in all future logins
[16:43] <chris92> actionParsnip: okay. but I wonder why it wouldnt start automatically. I mean its a core system function, right? why cant it work like it should :s
[16:43] <tax_on> hi guys. my laptop has two craphic cards. ive installed ubuntu and it detects no one. what can i do?
[16:43] <actionParsnip> chris92: did you use /etc/network/interfaces to define the networking?
[16:43] <actionParsnip> tax_on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[16:44] <actionParsnip> tax_on: I've never seen a success story with this mess.
[16:44] <chris92> actionParsnip: no, i just installed the b43 driver and used the network-manager dropdown from XFCE for connecting to the wlan the first time
[16:44] <actionParsnip> chris92: its using some proprietary blob, so you may have weirdness like this
[16:45] <designbybeck__> Why do Youtube videos not go full screen where other flash videos do?
[16:45] <tax_on> actionParsnip, thnx. i'll check it.
[16:45] <adante> actionParsnip: i'd just like to do it from the command line though
[16:45] <chris92> actionParsnip: well, I can live with that solution, still its a bit annoying I must admit
[16:45] <designbybeck__> i've seen a post on that before, but what i tried didn't fix the problm
[16:46] <actionParsnip> adante: you can add a startup item to run:  metacity --replace
[16:46] <adante> actionParsnip: i can't becaues i can't run compiz
[16:46] <actionParsnip> adante: you don't need compiz
[16:46] <chris92> actionParsnip: btw, do I need to add the sudo in the /etc/rc.local or is it run as root automatically?
[16:46] <adante> as compiz doesn't run gnome-session does not ru
[16:46] <actionParsnip> chris92: the commands there are ran as root
[16:46] <chris92> actionParsnip: thought so, okay!
[16:46] <adante> actionParsnip: i need compiz to get gnome-session to successfully run - unless i can tell it to use metacity (hence the original question)
[16:47] <actionParsnip> adante: if you install gnome-panel you can use the old school session where compiz isn't needed
[16:48] <adante> actionParsnip: thats brilliant - thanks
[16:49] <maria_> hi can does anyone know how i can kick some one out of my computer and secure it properly?
[16:50] <chris92> maria_: what do you mean with "kick out" ?
[16:50] <turtle_> I always thought his name was ActionPartnership
[16:50]  * turtle_ doh
[16:51] <maria_> well my ex is very computer savy andhe got into my ubuntu 12.04 and several things dont work like chrome java games and all my files were taken out like my pictures and things
[16:51] <iceroot> maria_: you mean delete a user? or to kill the current session another user is using?
[16:52] <maria_> well i need to know how to kill for the next time he gets in but i am not sure how he keeps getting in either
[16:52] <iceroot> maria_: maybe he is using ssh to connect from remote
[16:52] <maria_> im new to ubuntu sorry i have no clue what im doing its all to forgien to me lol
[16:52] <iceroot> maria_: or are we talking about loggin into the pc by using the pc directly?
[16:53] <chris92> maria_: first of all I'd suggest changing your user password
[16:53] <vooze> Just after latest update (from update manager) my sound from headset / speakers (the non build in) does not work. Anyone else tryed this?
[16:53] <adante> where do i go to change keyboard shortcuts?
[16:53] <maria_> i treid to do the secure thing i found on the forum to do somthing with secureing ssh  and then somthing about sshd but i dont think i understood completley what it was asking
[16:53] <maria_> no remotley he has never been here
[16:54] <iceroot> maria_: then i guess he is using ssh
[16:54] <maria_> well he has just not in the last year after he was here last it doesnt matter what i have done he always takes over my computer andi cant even use the mouse
[16:54] <iceroot> maria_: can you paste the output of "cat /etc/passwd" to see if there is another user then just your user
[16:55] <ejo> maria_: honestly the simplest most straightforward solution is save all of your important files to another drive, then reinstall Ubuntu.  The alternative is a lot of learning about security stuff -- which would be great if you're willing, but if you're not, take the easy road
[16:55] <iceroot> maria_: also change your password "e.g. open a terminal and type passwd"
[16:55] <ejo> (of course if you reinstall you woulld have to reinstall the software you like and use)
[16:55] <maria_> i want to learn how to secure it i cant take this anymore linux was my last resoert i hate microsoft i dont know y anyone wants it with linux its amazing
[16:56] <ejo> oh, that's better.  carry on then!
[16:56] <maria_> do u want me to paste what it says
[16:56] <iceroot> maria_: yes
[16:56] <t0fu_ch0p> Afternoon all
[16:56] <iceroot> !paste | maria_
[16:58] <chris92> oh man, ubottu is awesome :3
[16:58] <maria_> wait what i am not understanding what you want and maria is not my real name its natalie i keep missing text i just used a random name lmbo
[16:58] <Gycklarn> maria_, Read what ubottu said
[16:59] <Gycklarn> In case you didn't make the connection, ubottu is a bot. Hence the name.
[16:59] <oisa> I just did a fresh 12.04 install followed by dist-upgrade to 12.10, and now I can't install Cinnamon.
[17:00] <bazhang> oisa, #ubuntu+1 for 12.10
[17:00] <chris92> oisa: For questions about future versions, please go to #ubuntu+1
[17:00] <oisa> It says it needs  libgnome-desktop-3-2 (>= 3.2.0) (I have 3.4 as part of Quantal?)
[17:00] <oisa> oh ok
[17:00] <Gycklarn> oisa, you need to install the nightly release
[17:00] <bazhang> oisa, cinnamon is not supported
[17:00] <oisa> Gycklarn, I'm on nightly
[17:00] <ejo> if you could wait just 20 days or so, 12.10 would be in final shape too
[17:00] <maria_> ok u wanted me to go to link lol duh ok what do i put for poster
[17:00] <chris92> your nickname
[17:01] <chris92> maria_: the poster name doesnt really matter, just use maria_ like here in IRC
[17:01] <maria_> ok and then download the text?
[17:01] <chris92> no, paste the text in the big box, click on send and give us the link =)
[17:02] <maria_> there was no send it just said paste do u want the link that is at the top
[17:02] <chris92> yea, that one
[17:02] <chris92> and yea sorry, it was paste not send ^^ my bad
[17:02] <maria_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1247913/
[17:03] <oisa> Gycklarn, my repository had the wrong dist. Nightly installed ok. Thanks
[17:03] <chris92> iceroot: there's your paste ;)
[17:04] <Guest910285746> hello. I am doing a distro upgrade and I got this message: Replace customized configuration file? '/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades'
[17:04] <iceroot> maria_: there are 3 guest-users on your pc
[17:05] <iceroot> maria_: but that users are not able to delete files belonging to your user
[17:05] <maria_> there should be no guest i deleted the account i only have maria on my thing
[17:05] <iceroot> maria_: so it seems that he enabled the root-account on your system and using ssh to connect to your system
[17:05] <maria_> so how do i stick it to him lol
[17:05] <iceroot> is there a way to see if the root-password is activated?
[17:05] <iceroot>  /etc/shadow?
[17:05] <maria_> yeah prob through terminal right
[17:06] <iceroot> dont know what that file is looking when root is disabled
[17:06] <maria_> i can put su and see if ihave control
[17:06] <chris92> u probably need to enter a password for su
[17:06] <escott> iceroot, yes. * or ! means the password is locked
[17:06] <iceroot> escott: thx
[17:07] <iceroot> maria_: can you have a look at /etc/shadow  "sudo less /etc/shadow" and see if there is * or ! for the root-line?
[17:07] <maria_> ok so dont put sudo basically right? gotta talk blonde here iceroot lol
[17:07] <escott> iceroot, technically i think * means it was never set, and ! means it was set and disabled, but in either case if its not a hash $#$salt$hash it can never be matched by a password login
[17:08] <iceroot> maria_: sudo will execute one command as root-user
[17:08] <iceroot> maria_: the password sudo is asking for is your user-password
[17:08] <iceroot> maria_: /etc/shadow is only readable by root, so we need sudo to open that file
[17:09] <escott> maria_, only root can read /etc/shadow so "sudo less /etc/shadow" lets you read that file. look for root:!:... or root:*:.... then your root account is locked. if you see root:$#$..... then root has a password
[17:09] <esm_> Can someone please tell me how do i install ubuntu and delete windows in the process
[17:09] <maria_> permission denied
[17:10] <Gycklarn> maria_, That's why you need to use sudo
[17:10] <maria_> oh oh oh i know that one
[17:10] <maria_> i did it said command not found
[17:10] <Gycklarn> esm_, You should be given the option when you boot with the disc in the computer
[17:10] <Gycklarn> maria_, wait, which command? less?
[17:10] <iceroot> maria_: you got "command not found" when typing "sudo less /etc/shadow"?
[17:11] <iceroot> maria_: if so then you are not using ubuntu, because sudo and less are installed by default
[17:11] <maria_> i dont know i typed in sudo less /etc/shadow
[17:11] <esm_> When i download the ios file its the wubi installer and its not giving me the option
[17:11] <maria_> i treid it again still same response
[17:11] <iceroot> esm_: wubi is not the correct way for what you want
[17:11] <escott> esm_, you don't want wubi. you need to either burn a CD or make a liveUSB
[17:11] <Naphatul> can someone help me with accesing my windows 7 shares? i tried googling but can't find the answer
[17:11] <iceroot> maria_: what is the output of "cat /etc/issue"
[17:12] <maria_> i have ubuntu 12.04
[17:12] <esm_> I cant find the correct ios file
[17:12] <escott> esm_, sadly thats often the hardest part of the whole process for many people
[17:12] <iceroot> !download | esm_
[17:12] <maria_> im telling you i couldnt even install java it said get-apt was nto a command
[17:12] <iceroot> esm_: use the amd64 desktop iso
[17:12] <iceroot> maria_: apt-get
[17:12] <chris92> maria_: the command is called apt-get not get-apt ;)
[17:12] <maria_> o lol
[17:13] <maria_> how can i see what system i have and send it to you in a link
[17:13] <iceroot> maria_: output of "which sudo"
[17:13] <iceroot> maria_: cat /etc/issue  will show you the system
[17:13] <esm_> I used the amd64 desktop iso and when i extracted the file it has the wubi installer
[17:13] <Naphatul> so can anyone help me with samba?
[17:13] <iceroot> esm_: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:13] <chris92> esm_: dont extract that file, use a program like imgburn to burn that iso to a CD-R
[17:14] <dpittard> can someone help me with a gray screen on my dual monitor setup?
[17:14] <iceroot> !samba | Naphatul
[17:14] <maria_> hey the shadow worked this time you want it
[17:14] <maria_> i was mispelling less
[17:14] <esm_> ok thank you! i will try it now
[17:14] <escott> esm_, http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download?distro=desktop&bits=64&release=lts
[17:14] <Naphatul> iceroot, yes i already said i tried google and various wiki's, apparently i'm missing something
[17:14] <Gycklarn> maria_, use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <Gycklarn> like you did earlier
[17:15] <maria_> oh right thanks u guys are so awesome smart dudes rock
[17:15] <chris92> maria_ you're welcome =)
[17:15] <dpittard> can someone help me with a gray screen on my dual monitor setup?
[17:16] <Elesa> Is there any way to disable magazines in the Ubuntu Software Center? I'm _seriously_ sick of them..
[17:16] <iceroot> Naphatul: ah ok
[17:16] <iceroot> Naphatul: so what is the real issue?
[17:16] <maria_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1247934/
[17:16] <iceroot> maria_: that was not a good idea
[17:17] <Naphatul> iceroot, i can't acces my windows 7 shares i tried adding various commands at the end of smb.conf but they didn't help
[17:17] <iceroot> maria_: that file is containing your password-hashes. always a bad idea to paste something like that
[17:17] <maria_> huh
[17:17] <escott> maria_, sudo passwd -l root
[17:17] <maria_> i just did as i was told i dont know were the password is
[17:17] <iceroot> Naphatul: normally you can just use nautilus with the "search network" to see the shares and access them
[17:18] <iceroot> maria_: but because there is a root password set i bet he is using that access to go to your system and then you can do everything you want
[17:18] <maria_> iceroot should i be doing this through email or somthing i dont know
[17:18] <iceroot> maria_: there are 2 things you can do. 1. disable ssh or/and change the root-password
[17:18] <escott> maria_, various files on your computer are secrets you need to protect and should not share them or their contents with anyone. those include /etc/shadow anything that is id_rsa or id_dsa (excepting id_rsa.pub or id_dsa.pub)
[17:19] <Naphatul> iceroot, i'm already trying to acces them via the browse networks tab in nautilus unless you're talking about something else?
[17:19] <iceroot> Naphatul: thats what i am talking about, i was trying to translate that from german to english :)
[17:19] <Elesa> does the rm -rf etc etc command work only if you use sudo?
[17:19] <maria_> escott i am going to take your advice but i dont understand how to tell what i can and cannot share
[17:19] <iceroot> Elesa: no
[17:19] <Elesa> Or would that delete only the home directory of the person who used it?
[17:20] <maria_> ok so how do i disable ssh
[17:20] <Elesa> Also, how can I disable magazines in the USC? =/
[17:20] <iceroot> Elesa: rm /directory/you/want/to/delete
[17:20] <iceroot> Elesa: if you dont have write-access to that dir, you need sudo
[17:20] <Elesa> Thanks! :D
[17:22] <escott> maria_, you just have to know. rules of thumb are: "if you cannot read it without sudo, its important and secret" if it is in a .ssh folder and begins with id_ but does not end in .pub its a secret
[17:22] <Naphatul> iceroot, when i enter the homegroup password at the prompt it just asks me for it again but when i enter my ubuntu(and the same password is for the windows box) i get the "unable to mount Windows share"
[17:22] <escott> maria_, you should just lock the root password. sudo passwd -l root
[17:23] <escott> maria_, that will replace the password with ! and disable direct access to root. thats the supported configuration for ubuntu
[17:23] <iceroot> Naphatul: andy usefull hints in /var/log/syslog?
[17:23] <maria_> you can lock it? why did they forum not tell you that when they tell you hoe to open it up :(
[17:24] <iceroot> escott: Note that this does not disable the account. The user may still be able to login using another authentication token (e.g. an SSH key).
[17:24] <iceroot> escott: man passwd
[17:24] <maria_> it says its an invalid option
[17:24] <iceroot> maria_: L not 1
[17:24] <iceroot> maria_: sudo passwd --lock root
[17:25] <escott> iceroot, i haven't been following the whole thread
[17:25] <Naphatul> iceroot, i'm not seeing anything mention samba or network or simmilar, anything specific i'm looking for?
[17:25] <chris92> maria_: also, if you want to make sure nobody ever should connect to your computer via ssh, do a "sudo apt-get remove openssh-server"
[17:25] <iceroot> Naphatul: smbd normally
[17:25] <maria_> password expiry information changed
[17:25] <gesker> join /#javaee
[17:26] <iceroot> escott: as it seems here ex friend is using ssh with root to access her pc and do funny stuff
[17:26] <gesker> join /#java
[17:26] <gesker> join /java
[17:26] <chris92> gesker - the command is /join #java
[17:26] <iceroot> gesker: /join #java
[17:26] <Naphatul> iceroot, besides when i restarted it, nothing
[17:26] <gesker> thank you
[17:26] <escott> iceroot, depending on how skilled the friend is the system is fully compromised. is it not a better idea to recommend a reinstall?
[17:26] <chris92> gesker: yw
[17:27] <maria_> can i send you what it said?
[17:27] <iceroot> escott: yes but its just a guess with ssh and root
[17:27] <iceroot> escott: so maybe reinstall is an overkill
[17:27] <iceroot> escott: but normally you are right
[17:27] <escott> maria_, if you look at /etc/shadow you will see root:!:... so roots password has been disabled. but this individual who has access to your system could have done a lot of other things to open backdoors to the system
[17:28] <maria_> thast my problem thats what he does once he is in im screwed and not the good way
[17:28] <esm_> the file i just downloaded still has the wubi installer in it should i pay it no mind and burn the iso to a CD-R
[17:28] <no_gravity> Hello! When In the terminal, how do I find out what shell I am using?
[17:28] <chris92> esm_: just burn it to a CD-R, and restart the computer
[17:28] <escott> iceroot, im not thinking overkill. im just thinking easiest instructions for maria_ to follow. is it easier for her to (a) just reinstall (b) disable passwords and then audit /root/.ssh and audit running services and nmap ports...
[17:29] <adante> no_gravity: help might do it
[17:29] <chris92> make sure your boot order has the CD/DVD drive in the first place, not the hard drive
[17:29] <iceroot> escott: overkill if my guess is wrong
[17:29] <cakehero> Is there a github/svn online w/the source for ubuntu?
[17:29] <cakehero> git/github
[17:29] <no_gravity> adante: no
[17:29] <Maverick> kkkkkkkkkkkk
[17:29] <escott> cakehero, canonical uses launchpad for their development, but upstream projects use whatever they want
[17:30] <cakehero> escott does that mean it's not public?
[17:30] <iceroot> cakehero: the complete sourcepackages are in the repos
[17:30] <cakehero>  iceroot I'm interesting in checking out change sets
[17:30] <escott> cakehero, no its all public, its just not in the same place.
[17:30] <iceroot> cakehero: apt-get source packagename
[17:30] <Maverick> tem brasileiro nessa porrra
[17:30] <cakehero> iceroot will I get change sets from that?
[17:30] <adante> no_gravity: oh, what does it say?
[17:30] <iceroot> cakehero: to get the sourcecode for a specific package
[17:31] <iceroot> cakehero: there are changelogs inside
[17:31] <cakehero> ok cool
[17:31] <cakehero> so
[17:31] <cakehero> let me ask a better question
[17:31] <iceroot> cakehero: also see packages.ubuntu.com for changelogs
[17:31] <chris92> no_gravity: echo $SHELL
[17:31] <maria_> can you tell me were the guest are coming from
[17:31] <cakehero> someone at my company says "since we don't maintain ubuntu we have to make sure we are staying up with critical updates". I don't think think there are many kernel updates (10.04/lucid)
[17:31] <no_gravity> chris92: thanks!
[17:31] <iceroot> cakehero: there are
[17:32] <iceroot> cakehero: but only security fixes
[17:32] <cakehero> iceroot any great way to keep up with them?
[17:32] <paulens12> one question... if i choose to install ubuntu on a different partition (dual boot with windows), will it format that partition, making all those partitions? it needs? i mean boot, and other stuff
[17:32] <escott> cakehero, standard config will automatically subscribe to security updates
[17:32] <iceroot> cakehero: we have security mailinglists if you are interested in such informations. to get the latest updates for the kernel just use the update-manager
[17:32] <paulens12> also, i could select free space on disk (not formatted), but the same question applies here
[17:33] <escott> paulens12, yes
[17:33] <paulens12> oh, ok
[17:33] <paulens12> thanks :)
[17:33] <wilee-nilee> paulens12, us a unformatted area to install, really you might want to share the HD setup by posting the output of sudo fdisk -l in a pastebin.
[17:34] <wilee-nilee> use*
[17:34] <chris92> wilee-nilee, too late :P
[17:34] <vcometa> ciao
[17:34] <vcometa> !list
[17:34] <konqui> maria_: What guests?
[17:34] <maria_> lol if u tell me the cat command i will paste the link
[17:34] <chris92> konqui: her /etc/passwd shows 3 guest accounts
[17:35] <iceroot> cakehero: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.32-43.97/changelog
[17:35] <chris92> konqui: that was the paste
[17:35] <chris92> konqui: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1247913/
[17:35] <chris92> maria_: had the paste still open :) i linked it to him
[17:36] <maria_> hoq do i close it lol
[17:36] <escott> maria_, personally i would just reinstall. auditing a compromised system requires (A) some estimate of what the attackers capabilities are (B) knowledge of what attack vectors an attacker of that ability will utilize (C) knowledge of what an uncompromised system looks like and what is "correct". I get the feeling you lack (B) and (C)
[17:37] <nydel> does anyone here use irssi?
[17:37] <iceroot> nydel: #irssi
[17:37] <maria_> lmbo its possible
[17:38] <VlanZ> hmmm... it seems i cannot do  ./new_script.sh  in expect, right?
[17:38] <maria_> is there anyway to find out
[17:38] <nydel> iceroot: i'm trying to make my question. see, irssi lets one have multiple windows which is great. but i ALSO want a universal buffer.
[17:38] <iceroot> nydel: try the irssi channel in #irssi
[17:38] <nydel> iceroot: how would you go about doing something like that? how would /you/ i mean?
[17:38] <nydel> iceroot: but my question isn't really about irssi, it's about buffers in linux
[17:39] <nydel> iceroot: but fine i'll go away hehe
[17:39] <iceroot> nydel: and what is a universal buffer?
[17:39] <iceroot> nydel: the buffer bash is using?
[17:39] <unperson> I just upgraded to 12.04 from 10.04, so the unity desktop is new to me.  I often have multiple browser windows open and switch between them using alt+tab.  In the new desktop alt+tab seems geared toward switching between applications rather than windows.  You can get it to show you all windows within an application after a pause, but this makes things much slower.  Is there a quick way to switch between windows of an application usi
[17:39] <unperson> ng the keyboard?
[17:40] <nydel> iceroot: that's what i don't really know. right now i have three windows/buffers, one is status, then two channels. i'd like to replace the status buffer with something that outputs all buffers
[17:40] <unperson> In the system settings keyboard shortcuts dialog there's an setting for "switch windows of an application", but that seems to switch browser tabs rather than browser windows.
[17:40] <nydel> so when you say something here, in that buffer, it gets "irc.ubuntu.com - #ubuntu - iceroot: what you say"
[17:40] <iceroot> unperson: alt + ^
[17:41] <unperson> (Sort of an issue with MDI I guess.  I didn't really even know the window manager knew about the tabs.)
[17:41] <nydel> iceroot: there is software called loqui that does this.. it's got a window for all your irc buffers that you can switch through, then it's got one window that unites al the buffers into one
[17:41] <iceroot> nydel: i still dont get your question
[17:42] <wilee-nilee> unperson, ctrl-alt-d or ctrl-super-d I believe I don't use unity as of now.
[17:42] <unperson> iceroot, Unfortunately that key combo doesn't seem to do anything for me.
[17:43] <realdriller> good morning, trying to install 12.04 on an HP dv4 computer as a dual boot to W7, having graphic card issues. Black screen appears, use nomodeset at grub and it boots up with low res. been searching for 2 days now. Is there a solution yet for the integrated Intel graphic card
[17:43] <nydel> iceroot: envision you have a program with two divisions. the top division is one irc channel at a time or the status buffer etc. - the bottom division is all the buffers, every message formatted to output, all in one concatenated buffer
[17:43] <nydel> iceroot: do you understand what i'm saying so far?
[17:43] <iceroot> nydel: as i said, its an irssi question
[17:43] <unperson> I guess the more useful bit of info is whether this is something I can set a keyboard shortcut for in system settings, and if so what the name of this function is (to find it in there).
[17:43] <iceroot> nydel: it has nothing to do with bash, linux or something like that (if i get it right)
[17:44] <nydel> iceroot: i'm envisioning like ircii and a program like terminator that splits terminals / displays two terminals or more as squares / rectangles
[17:44] <unperson> wilee-nilee, Unfortunately ctrl-alt-d doesn't seem to do anything and ctrl-super-d seems to show the desktop.
[17:44] <wilee-nilee> unperson, I think you would do this in compizconfig setting manager
[17:44] <nydel> iceroot: is there a way to like, make one terminal talk to another
[17:45] <wilee-nilee> unperson, unity is basically a plugin in compiz
[17:45] <nydel> iceroot: so if i'm running a program in one terminal it could output itself to another terminal
[17:45] <iceroot> nydel: you are just want that feature for irssi?
[17:45] <iceroot> nydel: then irssi has great split featurees
[17:45] <nydel> iceroot: no i want it for a bunch of things
[17:45] <nydel> iceroot: i want to be able to have like tty2 & tty3 automatically format to the stdout of tty4
[17:45] <iceroot> nydel: never heard of something like that but maybe the guys in #bash knows better
[17:46] <iceroot> nydel: sorry
[17:46] <nydel> iceroot: i'll try there. thanks, sorry, i get frustrated when i can't figure out how to ask my question! :-/
[17:46] <escott> nydel, message
[17:47] <escott> nydel, sorry i mean "write" see "man write"
[17:48] <nydel> escott: oh i remember write.. didn't occur to me to use it in that way. thanks! that might help a lot!
[17:48] <LastDreamer> Hi
[17:48] <realdriller> any takers for my question above, please
[17:49] <unperson> wilee-nilee, Okay, I guess I'll instal the compiz config package and give that a whirl.  Odd that it's not the normal keyboard setup, since it doesn't seem all that exotic.  But then I think they're imaging everything being done with a mouse/touchscreen.
[17:49] <wilee-nilee> unperson, Unity is the plug and play desktop to some extent, supposedly more user friendly.
[17:50] <wilee-nilee> a bit more work in customizing though
[17:51] <PhantomPhreak53> I am currently running the 3.2.0-29-generic on Ubuntu 12.04. Normally we just update with apt-get dist-upgrade. My wonderful co-admin cleaned out "old" kernels from /boot and removed the -29 while we were still on it. Now when I type apt-get dist-upgrade, it never recomends the newer -31 kernel. How do I force it to update?
[17:52] <iceroot> PhantomPhreak53: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[17:52] <realdriller> good morning, trying to install 12.04 on an HP dv4 computer as a dual boot to W7, having graphic card issues. Black screen appears, use nomodeset at grub and it boots up with low res. been searching for 2 days now. Is there a solution yet for the integrated Intel graphic card
[17:52] <iceroot> PhantomPhreak53: without that package you wont get kernel security updates
[17:53] <PhantomPhreak53> iceroot: thanks.... then I can just bounce it and be back on to normal
[17:53] <PhantomPhreak53> ?
[17:53] <iceroot> PhantomPhreak53: ĉorrect
[17:54] <iceroot> PhantomPhreak53: that package will always pull the latest kernel for your distribution
[17:54] <PhantomPhreak53> iceroot: thanks
[17:54] <wilee-nilee> realdriller, refrencing the computer is nice but name the HW.
[17:55] <WassapGrupoBi> hola
[17:58] <LastDreamer> Hi
[17:58] <unperson> Ah, okay, looks like alt+` switches windows of an application.
[17:59] <unperson> By accident I discovered that holding down the super key brings up a list of keyboard shortcuts.
[17:59] <unperson> Of course I don't know where you *change* that shortcut, but I'm okay with it so I'll leave that question for another time.
[18:00] <iceroot> unperson: on qwertz its alt + ^ :)
[18:01] <metallica> hola
[18:01] <metallica> esto como va?
[18:01] <metallica> soy d eespaña
[18:01] <chris92> !es | metallica
[18:02] <unperson> iceroot, Fair enough.
[18:03] <LastDreamer> How to disable the display of technical information from the chat in irssi?
[18:04] <sajan> hello guys.....i m here with some querry
[18:04] <chris92> LastDreamer: you could ask that in #irssi
[18:04] <chris92> sajan: just ask your question =)
[18:04] <sajan> i had done the linux-swap partation..........
[18:04] <sajan> how to know its working
[18:04] <sajan> ???
[18:05] <CookieM> LastDreamer disable so called MOTD (message of the day) somewhere in the preferences
[18:05] <cakehero> escott iceroot Is there a smart way to stay up to date with security changes?
[18:05] <cakehero> Sorry for the delayed reply
[18:06] <escott> cakehero, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade;
[18:06] <cakehero> I think I might have pasted this earlier: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[18:06] <cakehero> escott okay, cool, doing that "blindly" is ok?
[18:06] <escott> cakehero, well nobody can promise that
[18:06] <cakehero> "okay" vs. "perfect" =)
[18:06] <cakehero> Like I know we are running an older version of nginx
[18:06] <cakehero> so I probably don't want to upgrade that
[18:07] <sajan> i have made a linux-swap partation drive of 4gb................i want to know that how it works
[18:07] <escott> cakehero, there are multiple levels of updates. security which is meant to make no changes in functionality and then updates which is bug-fixes where the bug might be a behavior you are working around so that could be an "unsafe" change
[18:07] <escott> !pinning | cakehero
[18:08] <realdriller> wilee-nilee what?
[18:08] <BenBE> I'm having some trouble with a built-in Webcam with my Asus EEEPC: With Linux kernel 3.2.0-32 as well as Linux kernel 3.4.0 everything works; but running the latest Ubuntu Kernel PPA version (3.6.0rc7) I get a "no video device found". Tested with two cams: UVC/IMC Networks integrated Webcam + Philips/NXP SPC 315NC PC Camera (according to lsusb). Any idea?
[18:08] <chris92> sajan, it should work out of the box if you created a swap partition during the installation
[18:08] <escott> sajan, swapon -s
[18:08] <sajan> ya i did swap on using the gparted app
[18:09] <wilee-nilee> realdriller, I had to reboot to another OS, I believe you named the computer, we need the actual hardware your dealing with.
[18:10] <sajan> and i want to know how swapon helps for better performance
[18:10] <Qyop> Hello Friends!
[18:10] <Qyop> HELP PLEASE!
[18:10] <Qyop> ANY DEVELOPER?
[18:11] <chris92> !anyone | Qyop
[18:11] <wilee-nilee> sajan, It is for when your memory card is running high, you can set the swappiness higher though so it does not use swap until a higher user rate of memory
[18:11] <escott> sajan, it doesnt help performance. it avoids OOM condition. [out of memory] if you run out of memory the operating system just decides somewhat at random a program to close
[18:11] <ricket|work> I can't type a right square bracket "]" in firefox, and only firefox. What in the world is going on??
[18:11] <realdriller> wilee-nilee Under windows device manager says intel (r) hd graphic family, as I said Interl variant, any help is appreciated
[18:12] <sajan> okk........so basically it does nothing......
[18:12] <Qyop> How update list of users in chat?
[18:12] <nerd> why do ubuntu most of the time have packges which are quite older.
[18:12] <Qyop> !list
[18:12] <maria_> does anyone know how i can log my netwrok traffic or buy/build somthing that does?
[18:12] <auronandace> !latest | nerd
[18:12] <hannah_irina> hi, i install ubuntu and i share internet like here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing , but i need to select in my router automated dhcp to get internet... how i configure to get internet wirh 192.168.0.2 ...
[18:12] <BenBE> maria_: tcpdump, wireshark, ...
[18:12] <escott> sajan, its also needed for hibernation support, but many people with lots of RAM run without swap. I still follow the old 2xRAM rule
[18:13] <BenBE> maria_: You'll need root for this.
[18:13] <nerd> maria_: yes you can, use wireshark.
[18:13] <maria_> ok and how do i use them? total newb to that one
[18:13] <sajan> i only have 2gb of ram and intel dual core proccessor...........do u recommend me using swap????
[18:13] <nerd> if i want to learn about ubuntu tool chain where can i learn  ?
[18:13] <Qyop> help please
[18:14] <escott> sajan, yes. if you go to a website with a bunch of pictures and your RAM fills up you don't want your word processor to close suddenly
[18:14] <Qyop> Any developer here?
[18:14] <nerd> Qyop: ask what you want to ask
[18:14] <auronandace> Qyop: you haven't asked a support question
[18:14] <Qyop> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/programming-scripting/192049-spoofing-information-computer-data-protection.html
[18:14] <sajan> ok.........so swap can help when i am running out of memory ????
[18:14] <escott> sajan, and 2GB is considered a very small amount of ram these days
[18:15] <ricket|work> Qyop: what chat program? what do you mean update the list of users? how do you know it's not up to date? please be specific
[18:15] <Qyop> I NEED HELP PLEAS!!!
[18:15] <nerd> 2 GB is something like obsolute now a days...
[18:15] <Qyop> E
[18:15] <k4r1m> essay != question.
[18:15] <MonkeyDust> Qyop  caps
[18:15] <sajan> yaa thats why i have used 4gb as swap partation............is it okay???
[18:15] <nerd> Qyop: ask if you really want to ask..
[18:15] <paulens12> escott, actually windows 7 and 8 run very smooth with 2gb...
[18:16] <Qyop> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/programming-scripting/192049-spoofing-information-computer-data-protection.html
[18:16] <nerd> sajan: first you should understand how is partition donw. and what's the use of swap.
[18:16] <Qyop> its my question
[18:16] <paulens12> and i suppose linux uses less than winwows
[18:16] <Pici> Qyop: What does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[18:16] <Qyop> help please
[18:16] <escott> paulens12, yes, but 2GB is <$25 of RAM. for one of the most performance crucial pieces of hardware spending $25 is considered "not a lot"
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> Qyop  wrong channel
[18:16] <Gashi> What is the best flash player for google chrome , which uses less memory and cpu , Pepper flash or Adobe flash ?
[18:16] <Pici> Qyop: This channel is for Ubuntu support only. We do not provide programming help.
[18:16] <nerd> Qyop: you are useless guy.
[18:16] <sajan> i learned to create a partation and i made a paratation of 5gb and i used 4gb for linux swap
[18:17] <uglyoldbob> so what is a good channel for ncurses programming?
[18:17] <Qyop> I use Ubuntu
[18:17] <nerd> sajan: what's your use of your machine ?
[18:17] <Qyop> I need this programm in Ubuntu
[18:17] <hannah_irina> hi, i add a hdd external in my ubuntu, how i can see in network on windows the hdd?
[18:17] <escott> sajan, 4GB of swap with 2GB of RAM follows the "standard recommendation"
[18:17] <hannah_irina> with samba?
[18:17] <sajan> netbeans.......eclipse..........music and videos and lot of browsing
[18:17] <nerd> heavy loaded work or simply multimedia ?
[18:17] <auronandace> Gashi: what on earth is pepper flash?
[18:17] <nerd> than 2 GB is enough i assume.
[18:17] <Qyop> Any help please!
[18:18] <realdriller> wilee-nilee that not enough?
[18:18] <daftykins> hannah_irina, it's network attached? not USB?
[18:18] <Qyop> who channel me use?
[18:18] <Qyop> what?
[18:18] <paulens12> escott: well, yeah, i didn't say it's expensive, but about a yeah ago i had a pc with 2gb ram and i was able to play the newest computer games, and it did't lag... i was able to run game servers and a web server too...
[18:18] <folorn> anyone that has time could you answer a question about aircrack-ng/ Im testing it for my wireless wep key and im having a problem: i get all the steps done but when i go to aircrack-ng "my file" it claims it cant find my arp file
[18:18] <nerd> and always have swap  1.5 times then the ram if you are on old machine.
[18:18] <Qyop> where developers?
[18:18] <sajan> okk so i have don perfect work by creating 4gb swap with 2gb ram
[18:18] <Pici> Qyop: Not here.
[18:18] <Pici> !alis | Qyop
[18:18] <Gashi> auronandace: Is built in flash player on latest version of Google Chrome
[18:18] <hannah_irina> daftykins, is on usb, but i have wifi on another computer and i want to see the hdd on the map address
[18:18] <Qyop> #ubuntu-dev
[18:18] <folorn> if someone could help that would be great. I'd really like to test the strength of my wep key
[18:18] <Pici> Qyop: That is not a support channel.
[18:18] <paulens12> it depends on how much s**t you have installed on your pc...
[18:18] <daftykins> hannah_irina, ah right
[18:18] <nigweth> I want to make a gaming machine running ubuntu (n64/genesis/snes emulators).. The problem is I can't make hardware acceleration work on radeon 9200.. should I install Jaunty on it..?
[18:18] <auronandace> Gashi: pepper is the api i thought
[18:19] <daftykins> !samba | hannah_irina
[18:19] <Qyop> where channel of developers of Ubuntu?
[18:19] <daftykins> hannah_irina, ignore the windows part, look it up for some guides etc.
[18:19] <MonkeyDust> Qyop  type /msg alis list *dev*
[18:19] <sajan> guys do i need to increase more then 4gb ???
[18:19] <Pici> Qyop: This is not an Ubuntu development question. This is not ontopic for Ubuntu support. If you do not stop asking you will be removed from the channel.  I have given you the resources to find an ontopic channel.
[18:19] <turtle_> aha Qyop is taking the "i don't know how to drive a car, someone give me the phone number for the man who owns Ford" approach
[18:20] <maria_> so i put on wireshark and it says (in wireshark) no interface can be used for capturing in this system????????
[18:20] <Qyop> irina, Tu gEBO4KA?
[18:20] <yeats> maria_: run it with sudo
[18:20] <escott> sajan, what does "free -m" say about your swap usage?
[18:20] <ricket|work> !ati | nigweth
[18:20] <folorn> problem aircrack-ng is a load of garbage me thinks :0.
[18:20] <BenBE> I'm having some trouble with a built-in Webcam with my Asus EEEPC: With Linux kernel 3.2.0-32 as well as Linux kernel 3.4.0 everything works; but running the latest Ubuntu Kernel PPA version (3.6.0rc7) I get a "no video device found". Tested with two cams: UVC/IMC Networks integrated Webcam + Philips/NXP SPC 315NC PC Camera (according to lsusb). Any idea?
[18:20] <daftykins> maria_, did you run wireshark with 'gksudo' ? it needs root privs to see the interfaces typically
[18:20] <compdoc> Qyop, what you want is a virtual machine
[18:20] <maria_> no its already in my comp i downloaded it and opened the program now i am lost
[18:20] <folorn> any of ya guys know how to use it?
[18:21] <Qyop> read my topic please
[18:21] <Qyop> not VM!
[18:21] <maria_> ok so i have to run it in the terminal ? i am not formilair with how to do that
[18:21] <sajan> used is 1914 ram
[18:21] <realdriller> good morning, trying to install 12.04 on an HP dv4 computer as a dual boot to W7, having graphic card issues. Black screen appears, use nomodeset at grub and it boots up with low res. been searching for 2 days now. Is there a solution yet for the integrated Intel graphic card
[18:21] <maria_> familiar*
[18:21] <daftykins> maria_, close it, press alt+f2 then type "gksudo wireshark"
[18:21] <ricket|work> thanks Pici
[18:21] <escott> folorn, aircrack is not a topic we like to have discussed in this channel. its very close to the !illegal line. ask about it in the backtrack channels
[18:21] <nigweth> ricket|work thanks
[18:22] <folorn> okay escott thanks. i just wanna test my key and see how strong it is.
[18:22] <maria_> command not founf
[18:22] <maria_> d
[18:22] <rambo2> so once again an ubuntu upgrade to 10.04 kills me with my nvidia video controller; remind me please how to boot in console/mode with grub so i can load the drivers from nvidia?
[18:22] <Gycklarn> maria_, are you sure you spelled that correctly?
[18:22] <yeats> maria_: what did you literally type?
[18:22] <maria_> nm the g was capital
[18:23] <daftykins> rockin'
[18:23] <compdoc> Qyop, I read your post about spoofing information, and the only way to do that is witha virtual machine. And it only takes up resources while youre using it. Which is exaclty when it should use those resources. Youre looking at it the wrong way.
[18:23] <sajan> http://imagebin.org/230140                          please check this out free -m
[18:24] <maria_> lua:error during loading [string   "/usr/share/wireshark init.lua"]:45dofile has been diasbled
[18:25] <ricket|work> compdoc, Qyop was kick-banned
[18:25] <compdoc> yeah, I was too late
[18:26] <escott> sajan, there are two key numbers the 1307 number. as long as that is large  your system should be reasonably fast. if that gets close to zero then your system will slow down. and the 4220. as long as that is large you won't be OOM but as it approaches zero you approach OOM
[18:26] <kapilratnani> Hello everyone... :). I am running ubuntu 12.04. Everytime when it wakes up after suspend i get graphics corruption(horizontal stripes on tooltips and some windows). My graphics card is intel gma4500m. Any solution?
[18:28] <sajan> can u simplify more                   @escort in easy way
[18:28] <hannah_irina> hi, how to install flash in mozilla?
[18:29] <escott> sajan, if you computer is running slow run "free -m" if you see the third column second row number is small buy some more ram. if you notice the third column third row is small you need a larger swapfile
[18:29] <lifebird64> pepee: not sure if this helps, but.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#Flash%20for%2064-bit%20%28x86_64%29
[18:29] <hannah_irina> automated install
[18:30] <wilee-nilee> hannah_irina, If you want flash and some additional codecs and ms font install the restricted extras
[18:30] <hannah_irina> i install with mozilla
[18:30] <hannah_irina> what pkg i need to install to open ssh?
[18:30] <hannah_irina> openssh-client
[18:30] <sajan> okk got it..............so for me is 4gb enough according to the screen shot http://imagebin.org/230140
[18:31] <escott> sajan, for the set of applications you are currently running. yes
[18:31] <sajan> okkk thank you very much for help.........i appreciate it
[18:31] <Akiva-at-Work> can I split a phone line using a splitter, and use two phones at the same time?
[18:31] <folorn> hrm anyone remember how ya uninstall a program again?
[18:32] <folorn> sudo apt-get uninstall or something?
[18:32] <lifebird64> sudo apt-get remove .....
[18:32] <folorn> ahh thanks
[18:33] <BenBE> I'm having some trouble with a built-in Webcam with my Asus EEEPC: With Linux kernel 3.2.0-32 as well as Linux kernel 3.4.0 everything works; but running the latest Ubuntu Kernel PPA version (3.6.0rc7) I get a "no video device found". Tested with two cams: UVC/IMC Networks integrated Webcam + Philips/NXP SPC 315NC PC Camera (according to lsusb). Both cams with the current kernel are not detected; with the older ones both are. Any idea?
[18:33] <hannah_irina> hmm why give me this error ; Rather than inovoking init scripts throygh /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility  e.g. service ssh start
[18:33] <hannah_irina> ?
[18:34] <hannah_irina> i want to start ssh
[18:34] <pepee> hannah_irina, not an error
[18:34] <Evdb> Hay guys
[18:34] <pepee> hannah_irina, run:  service ssh status
[18:34] <lifebird64> hannah: it's not an 'error' I don't think. it's a 'warning' and invitation to do things the 'new' way.
[18:34] <escott> hannah_irina, because you are suppose to start services with "sudo service <NAME> start"
[18:34] <pepee> service ssh start    to start ssh
[18:34] <ryan_> rwolcott
[18:35] <lifebird64> /etc/init.d/ssh start/stop may work, but service ssh start/stop is the new/proper way
[18:35] <Evdb> Ican't turn on Bluetooth on my MacBook Pro and search results didn't really return a solution. Can someone help?
[18:35] <hannah_irina> hmm is up
[18:35] <hannah_irina> how i see what ip have in network
[18:35] <hannah_irina> becouse i dont connot connect with 192.168.0.1
[18:36] <cromag> sudo ifconfig
[18:36] <maria_> does any one in here know wireshark well?? im kinda super lost
[18:36] <lifebird64> hannah: you mean your /own/ computer you're on? sudo ifconfig or sudo ifconfig -a
[18:36] <jordanm> ip addr # doesn't need sudo
[18:36] <Degorth> Hello, I'm having an issue with my sound settings not saving, every time I reboot or the sound device is switched it defaults to 100%, which is ear shatteringly loud. Can anyone help me with this?
[18:36] <bekks>  /sbin/ifconfig doesnt need sudo as well.
[18:36] <Como|work> I'm having trouble with mdadm, and I read in a wiki that it could be related to having the disks plugged into a pci card, and the solution is often to add -nodmraid to the kernel params. How can I do that with grub with only ssh access?
[18:36] <lifebird64> maria: you figure out wireshark, you lemme know, m'kay!? i'm equally lost
[18:36] <edora> which nautilus version is best for ubuntu 12.04?
[18:37] <hannah_irina> lifebird64, but is the real ip 188.... i want to add a local ip like 192.168.0.1
[18:37] <cromag> oh you guys are right, i thought it was, have been earlier maybe ? :D
[18:37] <lifebird64> folks need to slow down. there are like 5 convos all jumping in here
[18:37] <auronandace> edora: the one it ships with
[18:37] <Evdb> Hey bekks!!!!!! :D I got Ubuntu working
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> edora, There is no best that is subjective use the stock setup.
[18:37] <Pici> !who
[18:37] <hannah_irina> lifebird64, i install now ubuntu, i used archlinux :P but i like ubuntu now
[18:37] <faiko> i have problem with resolucion please how to do ?
but i have issue wid that one it start too slowly on my sys
[18:38] <auronandace> edora: i tend to use pcmanfm
[18:38] <VlanZ> anyone has an idea how i can launch another script from "expect" ?
yes used but that is unable to gen thumbnails of my videos .
[18:38] <maria_> ok lifebird
[18:39] <auronandace> edora: then i am unable to help you
[18:39] <Evdb> bekks: I got it all working (if you remember me from a few days ago)
[18:39] <LastDreamer> Who was the last SFD in your city?
[18:39] <bekks> Evdb: Cool.
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> VlanZ, You running debian or ubuntu?
 what if i install fork of nautilus instead nautilus
[18:39] <cromag> VlanZ: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-May/087362.html might be handy
[18:39] <auronandace> !ot | LastDreamer
[18:40] <auronandace> edora: i'd advise against that
[18:40] <Evdb> bekks: had one problem but WiFi but solved it, only the Bluetooth doesn't work, you know a fix for that?
[18:40] <auronandace> edora: stick to the repos
[18:40] <hannah_irina> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/02/ubuntu-internet-connection-sharing.html
[18:40] <bekks> Evdb: No, I am not using BT at all.
[18:40] <LastDreamer> ubottu: Ok
[18:40] <Evdb> Bekks: Ah k, thanks for helping me previous days ;)
[18:40] <bekks> Evdb: No problem :D
 i know but what the hell wrong with the one installed by default
[18:40] <VlanZ> wilee-nilee: ubuntu 12.04
[18:41] <gmg85> Is it true that the 12:10 release will come with amazon adds preinstalled?
[18:41] <auronandace> edora: i don't know, i'm not on your system
[18:41] <auronandace> gmg85: no, it is a search lens you can uninstall
[18:41] <david> Hola
[18:41] <david> Hell
[18:41] <david> Hello
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> gmg85, #ubuntu+1 is your destination
[18:41] <Guest13141> quin me habla?
[18:41] <auronandace> gmg85: 12.10 questions in #ubuntu+1 please
[18:42] <edora> of course but i was trying to find that problem is only with me or elsewhere
[18:42] <Guest13141> please spek me somebody
[18:42] <Evdb> Does anyone know how I can enable bluetooth on my MacBook Pro? I can't turn it on under System settings, and tried different internet fixes but didn't work.
[18:42] <gmg85> cool
[18:42] <wilee-nilee> !es | Guest13141
 about what
[18:42] <gmg85> was begining to think the adds would get in the way
[18:42] <auronandace> edora: i expect it might be something you've installed
 it is the nautilus ubuntu ship with 12.04  no changes
[18:43] <Guest13141> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[18:43] <Guest13141> hiii
[18:43] <Guest13141> bonjour
[18:43] <Guest13141> bjbkgb
[18:43] <Guest13141> h
[18:43] <FloodBot1> Guest13141: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:43] <Guest13141> hello
[18:43] <Guest13141> s
[18:44] <yorist> Holq
[18:44] <yorist> Hola
[18:44] <lifebird64> aloH ;)
[18:44] <auronandace> edora: have you installed anything or is this simply a fresh install?
[18:44] <yorist> Na ya, pues habla con nosotros
[18:44] <yorist> We are all ears
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> Guest13141, This is an english channel, don't fill the channel with garbage please.
[18:44] <Degorth> Hello, I'm having an issue with my sound settings not saving, every time I reboot or the sound device is switched it defaults to 100%, which is ear shatteringly loud. Can anyone help me with this?
 i am telling u that this was come with default 12.04
[18:45] <Ironsight> How do I setup sane for wireless scanning? I have a wireless printer scanner from HP, got the printer working, but sane doesn't seem to like it even though hp's site said it should work in 12.04
[18:45] <Gycklarn> edora, Are you addressing people when you do that? Because it looks like you are quoting someone.
[18:45] <auronandace> edora: i'm not asking about your file manager, is this a fresh install? have you installed any ppas?
[18:45] <Guest13141> Hola
[18:45] <Guest13141> De donde eres yorist?
[18:46] <yorist> De russia:)
[18:46] <julius_> hi
 it is fresh one
[18:46] <Guest13141> no vee
[18:46] <julius_> how do you start a gnome-terminal from the 12.04.1 installer?
[18:46] <Evdb> Does anyone know how I can enable bluetooth on my MacBook Pro? I can't turn it on under System settings, and tried different internet fixes but didn't work.
[18:46] <maria_> hi, i am having an issure with my wireshark i am unsure about what to do with my error that i got opening it up with gksudo wireshark
[18:46] <auronandace> edora: have you run updates yet?
[18:46] <Gycklarn> julius_, As in, during installation?
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> julius_, ctrl-alt-t
 yes later to find something to become ok
[18:47] <julius_> Gycklarn, yes
[18:47] <Guest13141> pero si en russia no se habla español que te crres que soy tonto
[18:47] <Guest13141> Hi julius
[18:47] <Guest13141> -.-`
[18:47] <julius_> wilee-nilee, doest work
[18:47] <auronandace> edora: what?
[18:47] <wilee-nilee> julius_, This a live cd or the alternate?
 yes i updated nautilus
[18:48] <wilee-nilee> or wubi
[18:48] <julius_> wilee-nilee, live cd i guess....you can choose to install or run live
[18:48] <julius_> wilee-nilee, its the default download you get on the ubuntu site
[18:48] <auronandace> edora: i'm talking about ubuntu, have you run any updates?
[18:48] <Ironsight> Anyone ever setup a network scanner?
[18:48] <wilee-nilee> julius_, use the dash hit the top button in the left panel or hit the super key to open it and type terminal
[18:48] <Guest13141> Iros a la mierda
[18:48] <Guest13141> tos
[18:49] <yorist> Guest13141: Porque cres que nos no podemos ablar español?
[18:49] <LastDreamer> Ironsight: only nmap
[18:49] <yorist> Hablar
[18:49] <DJones> Ironsight: What model HP printer is it? I have an Officejet 4620 and had to install the updated hplip from their website to get the scanner working
[18:50] <julius_> wilee-nilee, the dash?   if you mean the unity starter - it doesnt pop up
[18:50] <julius_> wilee-nilee, also the windows keys do nothing
 about ubuntu i installed ubuntu 12.04 fresh and then some updates from update manager
[18:50] <wilee-nilee> julius_, Do you see a panel on the left of the desktop?
[18:50] <Ironsight> it's a hp deskjet 3515
[18:50] <Ironsight> DJones
[18:51] <auronandace> edora: then i don't know why it is slow
[18:51] <julius_> wilee-nilee, no
yes even it dont show any crucial error in terminal run up
[18:52] <DJones> Ironsight: Give me a minute, I'll just see which driver is needed for that printer, it could be that the one in the ubuntu repository isn't new enough for the printer
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> julius_, Then tell us exactly where you are.
[18:52] <julius_> wilee-nilee, i will have to use the text termianl then....thought that this would be more user friendly
[18:52] <julius_> wilee-nilee, just started the installer cd, i did choose the language
[18:52] <wilee-nilee> julius_, Is the live cd not booting to the desktop?
[18:52] <auronandace> edora: how slow is it?
[18:52] <YokoBR> bão?
[18:52] <Ironsight> DJones, http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet_aio/deskjet_3510_series.html was all the info I could find.
 it takes 5 sec to open home folder before that a white screen appear
[18:53] <julius_> wilee-nilee, it looks like a ubuntu desktop but the unity launcher for example wont appear and pressing alt+tabs shows one application with the gnome termimal icon called "installer"
[18:53] <YokoBR> to com um problema... To usando zentyal (ubuntu 12.04) e quando adiciono um objeto com ip estático 192.168.0.82/24, dá que o valor é inválido, mas minha rede é 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0
[18:53] <jrib> !br | YokoBR
[18:53] <samholmes> Anyone remeber showing me this yesterday? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=804436
[18:53] <YokoBR> sorry, i thought i was on ubuntu-br, i'm really sorry
[18:54] <wilee-nilee> julius_, You have to boot to the desktop not the instal to have these functions.
[18:54] <samholmes> I get this error: apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[18:54] <samholmes> When I run this: $ sudo apache2 -k restart
[18:54] <zxy_64> hi, i have a problem with mplayer on ubuntu. It crashes on start with: "Mplayer crashed by illegal instruction". Any ideas how to solve it? This is pentium-m machine running ubuntu 12.04
[18:54] <jrib> samholmes: so don't do that :x  You should use the service command: sudo service apache restart
[18:54] <edora> cinnamon users how nemo is ?
[18:54] <samholmes> So, I'm trying to figure out what all this means in the forum post. I don't have a /envvars file
[18:54] <jackyyll> can i install quantal packages on oneiric?
[18:54] <DJones> Ironsight: I've just got that page up, that suggests that it need a minimum HPlip version of 3.12.9 but the version in the ubuntu repo's is only 3.12.2
[18:54] <julius_> wilee-nilee, ok thx
[18:54] <jackyyll> (if so, is it a bad idea?)
[18:55] <wilee-nilee> jackyyll, only if you know what you are doing would be my advice, otherwise no.
[18:55] <jrib> samholmes: I meant: sudo service apache2 restart
[18:55] <Ironsight> DJones, is sane linked into hplip?
[18:55] <samholmes> jrib: Ah.
[18:55] <auronandace> jackyyll: never mix packages from different releases
[18:55] <jackyyll> alrighty, i'll just install from source then
[18:55] <jackyyll> need an updated git-core
[18:55] <DJones> Ironsight: Is it a wireless printer? That was the problem I had, the scanner wasn't recognised wirelessly with the default version
[18:56] <YokoBR> hi guys, i'm trying to add an object with CDIR : 192.168.0.82/24 on zentyal (ubuntu 12.04), but it says it's an invalid value, and my entire network is 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 ... It's a zentyal or an ubuntu problem?
[18:56] <hannah_irina> hi, what is the good solution to sharing network but to give the computer 192.168.0.1 and the another 192.168.0.2
[18:56] <hannah_irina> not automated network
[18:56] <Ironsight> DJones, guess I will look for a ppa then
[18:57] <wilee-nilee> YokoBR, zentyal is not supported here I believe just actual ubuntu releases. ;)]
[18:57] <hannah_irina> if i install dnsmasq how  add a mac?
[18:57] <YokoBR> wilee-nilee, i know that, i'm only asking if it's a known ubuntu problem or just zentyal weridness
[18:57] <DJones> Ironsight: I didn't bother with a PPA, I just used the download from the hp website, that has worked fine for me
[18:58] <wilee-nilee> YokoBR, Then why are you asking there are 3 zentyal channels on freenode.
[18:58] <Ironsight> DJones, I'll do that then :)
[18:58] <Evdb> Does anyone know how I can enable bluetooth on my MacBook Pro? I can't turn it on under System settings, and tried different internet fixes but didn't work.
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> Evdb, bluetooth in ubuntu on the MacBook?
[19:00] <YokoBR> wilee-nilee, i'm on #zentyal, but i dunno the other 2 ones
[19:00] <n0x> should my firewall be turned on?
[19:00] <Evdb> wilee-nilee: yeah
[19:01] <zxy_64> any ideas on my mplayer problem ?
[19:01] <Evdb> wilee-neeli : more specific I want to get my magoc mouse or any other bluetooth stuff connected
[19:01] <Solow> Is there a guide to install ubuntu (latest) on an imac using usb?
[19:01] <pepee> zxy_64, reinstall
[19:02] <jrib> !helpme | zxy_64
[19:02] <pepee> zxy_64, apt-get purge mplayer  then reinstall
[19:02] <samholmes> I'm trying to change the port to my apache2 server from 8001 to 8050. But, now when I load up my webserver I get a 404 error.
[19:02] <zxy_64> pepee, that doesn't seem as a solution
[19:02] <samholmes> now when I request my server*
[19:02] <zxy_64> at least not in linux world
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> Evdb, just asking is all, bluetooth can be problematic in ubuntu I have found myself, this may not be the same for everyone though.
[19:03] <yeats> zxy_64: pepee meant reinstall *mplayer* - not the full OS
[19:03] <zxy_64> yeats, ohh, ok
[19:04] <pepee> zxy_64, if the crash persist, file a bug report
[19:04] <Ironsight> DJones, did you use the automatic installer?
[19:04] <zxy_64> pepee, sure
[19:05] <n0x> pls answer, should my firewall be turned on?
[19:05] <gmg85> Will there ever be support for sis 771/671 graphics cards on Ubuntu complete with 3d acceleration? :)
[19:06] <gmg85> or should i throw away my laptop? :
[19:06] <gmg85> )
[19:06] <DJones> Ironsight: Yes, I just accepted the defaults that the package offered
[19:06] <chris92> n0x: why would you want to turn it off
[19:07] <n0x> chris92: it is turned off ba deafult on ubuntu
[19:07] <n0x> by*
[19:07] <bekks> gmg85: Blame it on SIS.
[19:07] <chris92> n0x: really? well there is probably a reason for that
[19:08] <zxy_64> just to report, using mplayer instead of mplayer2 worked
[19:08] <Solow> Why is the 32bit recommended? I have 8gb ram, wouldn't 32bit then suck?
[19:08] <zxy_64> will test mplayer2 reinstall later
[19:08] <auronandace> Solow: it is only recommended for those who don't know what to choose
[19:09] <Solow> auronandace: Ah I see. So I'm going for 64 anyway.
[19:09] <Solow> Anything I should be looking out for when installing on my imac?
[19:09] <pepee> gmg85, do you really need 3d?
[19:09] <auronandace> !mac | Solow
[19:10] <Solow> I mean, will it still behave the way one would expect ubuntu to behacve.
[19:10] <samholmes> jrib: sudo service apache2 restart works, but I still can't use the apache2 command by itself at all. I can't run apache2 -S for example
[19:10] <bekks> pepee: On a SIS graphics adapter? No :)
[19:10] <Solow> auronandace: Thanks. Other people call me crazy for wanting ubuntu in stead of osx... You at least help me out. :)
[19:11] <pepee> gmg85, I don't really know the state of the driver, but if it helps you, you could try using LXDE/XFCE as DE
[19:11] <Cong> How do I read the documentation contained in *-doc packages?
[19:12] <trism> Cong: depends on the package, most of them have html you could just load up in a web browser, some of the gtk/glib related stuff you can use devhelp to view them (otherwise, dpkg -L package_name; and see what is there)
[19:13] <Solow> auronandace: Model id "11.3" is not in the list.
[19:13] <Solow> 11,3*
[19:13] <auronandace> Solow: i don't use a mac so i can't help
[19:13] <Solow> ok
[19:15] <Cong> trism, OK, dpkg -L doc, got it!
[19:16] <pepee> gmg85, this could be interesting I suppose  https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sis
[19:17] <pepee> gmg85, also, this thread:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=958967&page=83
[19:17] <gmg85> aha..
[19:18] <gmg85> let me take a look
[19:18] <Ironsight> djones did you have to uninstall stuff before installing hplip from the installer?
[19:19] <DJones> Ironsight: Its a while since I installed it, I didn't uninstall anything myself, but I've got a feeling the installer offered to remove older versions
[19:19] <Ironsight> DJones, k
[19:20] <Ironsight> DJones, reason I ask is, it's spitting at me in purple in the terminal: warning: CUPSEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation.
[19:21] <paulens12> does ubuntu software center work on ARM processor?
[19:21] <DJones> Ironsight: I didn't have any errors like that, for me, it was a smooth installation
[19:21] <bekks> paulens12: Sure.
[19:21] <paulens12> oh
[19:21] <paulens12> it doesn't open for me..
[19:21] <bekks> As long as the rest (Ubuntu) works on ARM.
[19:21] <paulens12> maybe mot enough ram...
[19:21] <paulens12> not*
[19:22] <chris92> did u install ubuntu on your android phone, paulens?
[19:22] <samholmes> How far behind is 10.10?
[19:22] <paulens12> i need to install everything from command line
[19:22] <bekks> samholmes: Too far. :)
[19:22] <paulens12> yeah
[19:22] <paulens12> it's 12.04
[19:22] <chris92> what phone do you have, if I may ask
[19:22] <paulens12> runs on terminal emulator
[19:22] <samholmes> bekks: How can I upgrade my server without wrecking much havok?
[19:22] <paulens12> htc sensation
[19:22] <bekks> paulens12: 11.04 is still supported.
[19:22] <paulens12> ok
[19:22] <paulens12> but it's 12.04
[19:22] <bekks> samholmes: Depends on your specific installation.
[19:22] <paulens12> not 11
[19:22] <samholmes> bekks: How so?
[19:23] <bekks> paulens12: Still, 11.04 is supported.
[19:23] <paulens12> so?
[19:23] <faiko> how to fix problem with resolucion
[19:23] <paulens12> i'm not asking about 11... i have 12
[19:23] <paulens12> lol
[19:23] <bekks> paulens12: And I am talking to samholmes ;)
[19:23] <paulens12> ah
[19:23] <paulens12> but you said my name xD
[19:23] <bekks> paulens12: Thats why I put his name in front ;)
[19:24] <pepee> faiko, what problem?
[19:24] <hannah_irina> hi, how i make the linux get automated this command: sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[19:24] <pepee> faiko, do you speak spanish?
[19:24] <samholmes> Is there a command I can run to update?
[19:25] <bekks> samholmes: do-release-upgrade --- it has an dry run option, too.
[19:25] <faiko> pepee,  si claro
[19:25] <jrib> !iptables | hannah_irina
[19:25] <samholmes> bekks: What's dry?
[19:25] <hannah_irina> sudo iptables-save | sudo tee /etc/iptables.sav
[19:25] <pepee> faiko, por si te sirve: pregunta en #ubuntu-es tambien
[19:26] <hannah_irina> in /etc/rc.local  add iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.sav
[19:26] <hannah_irina> no?
[19:26] <faiko> hay no save
[19:26] <faiko> :D:D:D:D:D
[19:26] <lifebird64> !? hannah? what are you trying to do?
[19:26] <jrib> hannah_irina: that second page explains several ways, including just using the iptables-persistent package.  Yes you can also create your own way in rc.local I guess...
[19:26] <samholmes> bekks: Also, do-release-upgrade is not a command.
[19:26] <folorn> anyone remmeber how to view the dir you're in again?
[19:26] <jrib> folorn: pwd
[19:28] <hannah_irina> hylafax on ubuntu is good?
[19:28] <folorn> thanks jrib
[19:28] <folorn> :)
[19:28] <samholmes> Meh. I'm not going to worry about upgrading if it's going to be this much of a hassle. I'm going to be switching to a IaaS anyway.
[19:28] <cowsquad> is anybody using gnome 3.6?
[19:29] <xangua> cowsquad: doubt it's supported here
[19:30] <cowsquad> xangua, do you know how to install it. i tried downloading the .iso but when i boot up it gives an error
[19:30] <trism> cowsquad: we are in #ubuntu+1 (on quantal)
[19:31] <gmg85> pepee: it works
[19:31] <cowsquad> is this forum for ubuntu quetzal? really?
[19:31] <eutheria> cowsquad, what makes you want gnome?
[19:31] <chris92> #ubuntu+1 is for quetzal
[19:32] <cowsquad> eutheria, I was just wondering
[19:33] <jrib> samholmes: upgrading is just running one command :/
[19:33] <cowsquad> chris92 I know, i am on #ubuntu
[19:33] <VlanZ> could anyone help me troubleshooting this USB2.0 controller crash that i just got?   http://pastebin.com/tESeK6qg
[19:33] <samholmes> jrib: Which command?
[19:33] <cowsquad> So does it mean tha gnome 3.6 is only supported in ubuntu quetzal?
[19:33] <bekks> cowsquad: correct.
[19:33] <hannah_irina> hi, in ubuntu is a user root?
[19:33] <VlanZ> I'm avtually using the 3.0 controller
[19:33] <bekks> hannah_irina: Yes, there is.
[19:33] <jrib> !upgrade | samholmes
[19:34] <hannah_irina> bekks, but why i connot to connent with user roto?
[19:34] <hannah_irina> root&
[19:34] <cowsquad> God damn it. How come they dont say that on their website :(
[19:34] <bekks> hannah_irina: Content of what?
[19:34] <japro> why is the 32bit version still "recommended" isn't 4+GB memory pretty much standard now?
[19:34] <lbod> anyone installed win8 beta in virtualbox? had a quick search and didnt see much info if this was straightforward and where to get the iso
[19:34] <cowsquad> cool then. I am on 12.04 and 11.10
[19:34] <bekks> japro: Because there's still 32bit hardware out there.
[19:34] <hannah_irina> i resolve
[19:34] <cowsquad> lbod, I have installed w8 on my pc
[19:35] <Cantide> i thought the PAE kernel handled more than 4 gb?
[19:35] <lbod> cowsquad: in ubuntu, cool, just from the download site?
[19:35] <bekks> Cantide: It does. But using PAE, there's still the boundary of max. 4GB per thread.
[19:35] <Cantide> aha
[19:35] <hannah_irina> is anyone here to configure a hylafax ?
[19:35] <Cantide> thanks, bekks :)
[19:36] <cowsquad> yes, I dual boot w8 and 12.04. if you type http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download
[19:36] <hannah_irina> belahhh windows
[19:36] <hannah_irina> pffff
[19:37] <cowsquad> lbod, windows 8 is very fast. I have to admit that :
[19:37] <lbod> cowsquad: thx.. ie10 testing :(
[19:37] <cowsquad> dont hate hannah_irina. Im running ubuntu
[19:38] <lifebird64> spew! winblows 8. I use windows 7. skipping 8. will wait for 9. microsoft has an uncanny pattern of good-crap-good-crap-good to their OS'
[19:38] <lbod> ofcourse they do, but this is an ubuntu forum
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> This channel asks for your views of the OS's are to kept to yourself
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> other*
[19:39] <cowsquad> okay shees lets talk about ubuntu then >)
[19:39] <lifebird64> wilee: k. noted.
[19:41] <buckerss> hey guys, im trying to configure my eth0.  any reason why i might be able to access my server and subnet but not the internet?
[19:42] <lifebird64> okay... not I have question... I know I saw a link to this somewhere, but...
[19:42] <samholmes> I'm getting the warning about upgrading over SSH. If it's not recommended to upgrade over SSH, how else could I upgrade?
[19:42] <azery> hello there
[19:43] <compdoc> buckerss, where are you configuring the gateway address?
[19:43] <lifebird64> Ubuntu 12.04. Suspend fails to resume in Ubuntu but works fine in Windows 7. need to upgrade my kernel? or is there another bit of troubleshooting I can run through? link to help pages appreciated.
[19:43] <azery> i would like to dump my tomtom device to able to run on my ubuntu pc
[19:43] <azery> what i have to do ?
[19:43] <azery> how ?
[19:43] <hannah_irina> hi, i have a hdd extern usb on ubuntu, how i sharing the file on the windows ? but with user and pass
[19:43] <Smo> macbook 2,1 occasionally when i suspend ubuntu and come back the screen is black or just the desktop background with no box to type in my password, the mouse is visible and able to be moved around, the mouse changes when you scroll over where the typing box should be, if you type in the password it signs in but its still only black or the desktop background, the mouse changes as you scroll over things though
[19:44] <Smo> ubuntu 12.04
[19:44] <mogaj> While executing rake commands am getting this error message http://pastebin.com/g88dfvtQ .... what should i do?
[19:44] <profiler1982> greetings from serbia
[19:44] <buckerss> compdoc: doh thats likely my problem
[19:44] <lifebird64> wow! question bomb!
[19:44] <buckerss> let me check
[19:44] <Smo> intel GMA 950 integrated is my card
[19:44] <wilee-nilee> azery, Do you mean run ubuntu on the device?
[19:45] <azery> run tomtom on ubuntu pc
[19:45] <FKppi> quit
[19:46] <lifebird64> azery: ? tomtom's usually connect to computers just to update maps but run on their own (no computer) the rest of the time. can you plz be more specific what you're trying to do?
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> azery, With a quick look on the web there apppears to be a use of it in wine look on the net.
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> appears*
[19:46] <azery> listen i m not an expert
[19:47] <lifebird64> haha. neither am I ;)
[19:47] <azery> but i know we can do something nc
[19:47] <wilee-nilee> !attitude > azery
[19:47] <buckerss> compdoc: i added my gateway, sudo route add gw {ipaddress} {adapter}
[19:47] <buckerss> compdoc: dont think it took tho
[19:48] <azery> well if you like
[19:48] <azery> how to tomtom in listening mode ?
[19:48] <compdoc> buckerss, I think you can now add it to /etc/network/interfaces
[19:48] <buckerss> compdoc: is it preferably to add a dns server as well?
[19:48] <mogaj> While executing rake commands am getting this error message https://gist.github.com/3801767 .... what should i do?
[19:49] <compdoc> buckerss, or how do you configure your network? network manager?
[19:49] <buckerss> compdoc: what syntax do i use to add to interfaces?
[19:49] <buckerss> on my current (working) desktop, it just lists the interfaces available
[19:49] <buckerss> normally i just plug in and its fine, not sure why im having problems here
[19:50] <Smo> no help for me?
[19:51] <luan> servidor linux e o poder
[19:51] <wilee-nilee> Smo, sometimes it takes a while. ;)
[19:51] <luan> the power of server linux ubuntu 12.04
[19:51] <Smo> hahahaha
[19:51] <compdoc> you use /etc/network/interfaces  to config your network manually. So if you arent using it now, might be best to add the gateway another way. let me look
[19:51] <compdoc> buckerss ^
[19:52] <buckerss> compdoc: routes looks good now, as in, looks like it does on my other desktops. but still no dice.
[19:53] <buckerss> i wanted to add a dns server to the computer, but network-admin isnt installed. anyway to access the same config files manually?
[19:53] <buckerss> compdoc: ty btw
[19:54] <hannah_irina> hmm, i try to configure samba
[19:54] <hannah_irina> but no connot to conent win to linux
[19:54] <hannah_irina> i try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[19:55] <lifebird64> Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit 3.2.0-31 fails to resume from suspend. Any ideas where to even begin? I'm lost.
[19:55] <Smo> GADMIN SAMBA get that
[19:55] <Smo> your welcome
[19:55] <Smo> lifebird64: 32 i believe
[19:56] <lifebird64> smo: huh?
[19:56] <lifebird64> oh... right
[19:56] <lifebird64> as in 3.2.0-32 ?
[19:56] <Smo> bit
[19:56] <Smo> 32 bit
[19:56] <hannah_irina> Smo, not work :(
[19:56] <lgc> Hi. What's a good free VPN service for Ubuntu?
[19:56] <lifebird64> poop
[19:56] <Smo> yeah 32 bit
[19:57] <lifebird64> thanks. part of me hopes you're wrong though. ;)
[19:57] <compdoc> buckerss, I think when you use sudo route add default gw, it temporary until you reboot. Did you restart networking after making the change?
[19:57] <jrib> lgc: this channel is only for ubuntu support; not for free vpn services
[19:57] <Smo> no i am not wrong
[19:57] <lifebird64> darn
[19:57] <buckerss> compdoc: didnt restart, ill try. i brought down eth0 and then brought back up again
[19:57] <compdoc> buckerss, and what about dns?
[19:57] <lifebird64> smo: so it only works in 32-bit is what you're saying?
[19:58] <buckerss> compdoc, do you know how can i add dns manually?
[19:58] <compdoc> resolv.conf
[19:58] <buckerss> ty
[19:58] <lifebird64> smo: and 64-bit resume-from-suspend is 'bugged'? and here I thought it was just some sort of kernel vs hardware support issue. :(
[19:58] <compdoc> well, thats a way, but isnt 12.04 using templates now?
[19:59] <Smo> http://imgur.com/RmePV
[20:00] <noov_> hhi
[20:00] <lifebird64> Smo: now I get it. that's YOUR hardware. lol. I was describing my own issue on my own computer. lol
[20:00] <noov_> hello* everyone
[20:00] <SolarisBoy> yaaay success
[20:00] <Smo> oh
[20:00] <Smo> wut
[20:00] <Smo> wait
[20:00] <Smo> hahahahahahaha
[20:00] <FloodBot1> Smo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:00] <lifebird64> smo: we have similar issues on different hardware sets
[20:00] <Smo> i thought you were answering my question
[20:01] <noov_> What the new Ubuntu like
[20:01] <Smo> so your computer fails to come back from suspend sometimes aswell?
[20:01] <buckerss> compdoc, does templates mean that my resolv.conf will be overwritten?
[20:01] <lifebird64> smo: no, sorry. I can't make heads/tails of your issue.
[20:01] <Smo> i believe it has something to do with the graphics card
[20:01] <Smo> possibly inporper drivers
[20:01] <lifebird64> smo: yes. I'm thinking of trying out the 3.4 kernel later, but haven't bothered yet.
[20:01] <Respite212> Can anyone tell me if I should have a mount for my second non-boot, /root drive?
[20:02] <Smo> vague question there Respite212
[20:02] <lifebird64> smo: I have an NVidea chipset motherboard and an ATI graphics card. all hardware very heavily slanted to windows support, so I may be out of luck.
[20:02] <lgc> jrib, then would you be so kind as to help me set up my VPN service in Ubuntu?
[20:02] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, What is in this drive and why is it root?
[20:02] <wibble235> I'm trying to copy some app data off my old iphone, but can't seem to see the app directories. should they be visible by default when plugging into an ubuntu 1204 install?
[20:02] <Smo> intel GMA 950 integrated is my card
[20:03] <jrib> !vpn | lgc
[20:03] <lduros> hi, I have a Dell desktop with both an nvidia geforce card and intel integrated graphics. When I set the BIOS as "automatic", the computer will keep rebooting before reaching the point boot is completed. It looks like there's an issue with having both intel graphics and nvidia. Any idea how to fix this?
[20:03] <lifebird64> smo: yeah, but mac hardware, yes? that's where I become clueless. ;)
[20:03] <Respite212> Smo: I mean I have two hard drives, my first harddrive contains /, /home, /swap. But my second hard drive I just partitioned and wondering if I should /home it? if I don't, how to I install programs to the second drive?
[20:03] <noov_> can i install ubuntu VIA usb without having to boot into my USB? can i just setup from here
[20:03] <Smo> lifebird64:  its an intel mac
[20:04] <hannah_irina> where i wrong ? http://pastebin.ca/2228938 ??? connot content on windows
[20:04] <Smo> not powerpc
[20:04] <chris92> Iduros: hybrid graphics produce a lot of issues with ubuntu atm
[20:04] <lgc> jrib that is old. It doesn't cover 12.04.
[20:04] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, Is the first drive or root full?
[20:04] <lduros> chris92: but this is not hybrid though. I just have one nvidia card, and one intel graphics. Or maybe that's what hybrid means. THis is just a regular desktop computer
[20:04] <Respite212> wilee-nilee No.
[20:04] <jrib> lgc: so is the statement for 10.04 no longer accurate?
[20:04] <lifebird64> smo: true. but the internal chipset architecture is a bit of a 'black box', unfortunately. I haven't even tried installing ubuntu on my macbook yet, so I can't help ya.
[20:05] <lduros> chris92: I was hoping there would be a blacklist solution for this
[20:05] <jrib> lgc: actually, just read the first 20 lines... that say "General intro"
[20:05] <lduros> by blacklisting the intel integrated graphics or something
[20:05] <Smo> hmm
[20:05] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, You don't want to spread around the apps use the second drive as data.
[20:06] <wilee-nilee> Or other OS's
[20:06] <lifebird64> smo: not saying it won't work and that somebody else can't help ya. I just know I won't be of much use.
[20:06] <chris92> lduros: ahh okay, did u disable the intel graphics in the bios?
[20:06] <lgc> jrib, It's become much easier. It is included in the default install already. Only thing you actually need is pretty much server data.
[20:06] <Respite212> wilee: my only os is Ubuntu
[20:06] <Smo> lifebird64: im sure its possible, i just dont know how
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, You would use or add programs in ubuntu, not to a secondary drive
[20:07] <jrib> lgc: right, which is what the page says.  So what are you asking?
[20:07] <lgc> Server data. In the context of Ubuntu, which was your initial concern.
[20:08] <Smo> ufortunetly there is no 12.04 documentation for macbook 2,1
[20:08] <jrib> lgc: server data?  What do you mean?  A vpn service you can use?
[20:08] <Respite212> wilee: I still don't understand. I have 2 hard drives. sda and sdb. I was wondering if or how would I be able to install programs such as games to sdb instead of installing it to sda.
[20:08] <lgc> jrib, exactly.
[20:08] <jrib> lgc: that's not an ubuntu support question.  That's a question asking about free vpn services... I said this.
[20:09] <rumpe1> Respite212, you can, you just have to mount the partitions/directories correctly or set links
[20:09] <rumpe1> Respite212, (using suitable filesystems of course)
[20:09] <lgc> jrib, bear in mind that I am asking a question about making a Ubuntu application work.
[20:09] <Respite212> rumpe1: No clue on how to do that.
[20:10] <jrib> lgc: no you're not.  You're asking for a free vpn.
[20:10] <celticson> does  anyone know how to sucsessfully install ubuntu on a
[20:10] <celticson> P4 mac mini
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, Some programs have to be in root to run putting them on another HD makes not sense, make sure root and home are big enough.
[20:10] <chris92> !mac | celticson
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> no*
[20:10] <Respite212> wilee: huh?
[20:10] <rumpe1> Respite212, first try to understand, how mounting works. It's not very complicated. The system is structured in a way, that it even allows mounting network drives. Mounting a partition means just, that it will appear in a directory somewhere you like.
[20:11] <Smo> celticson: download iso, burn to dvd, boot to dvd, easy
[20:11] <wilee-nilee> Respite212, If you need both HD's to have bothe the root partition and home big enough then do that as you asked.
[20:11] <VirtualAnomaly> any idea what fort77 does?
[20:11] <rumpe1> Respite212, like the system partition will always be mounted in the /-Directory
[20:11] <celticson> sweet ! checking it out now
[20:11] <jrib> lgc: if you have a vpn server that you are trying to connect to and are having issues with that, then I misunderstood.  And you should ask again with that detail included
[20:11] <rumpe1> Respite212, I recommend you read some tutorials about fstab
[20:11] <celticson> ok now one question this is not a intel based mac its an old power pc p4 mac mini
[20:12] <celticson> still has 1.4 ghz motorola p4 chip in it
[20:12] <Respite212> rumpe1: Ok here's the question, how do I mount my sdb drive to my /home which is in my sda drive?
[20:12] <rumpe1> Respite212, and how the directories are structured on linux: "man hier" in terminal
[20:12] <rumpe1> Respite212, manually: sudo mount /dev/sda1 (?) /home
[20:13] <ubuntu__> People are strange
[20:13] <rumpe1> Respite212, you can't mount a drive like sda, you only can mount filesystems like sda1, sda2, ...
[20:13] <lgc> jrib, does the word 'free' itch you? What's the point in not providing an answer to my request?
[20:13] <brightsparks> Hi. Can anyone tell me how to recover an accidentally just deleted folder from home folder folder?
[20:14] <mbalmer> restore from backup
[20:14] <brightsparks> I don't want to recover loads of old deleted rubbish
[20:14] <shaneo> spinrite brightsparks
[20:14] <brightsparks> mbalmer: restore from backup?
[20:14] <ubuntu__> take you`re computer and broke that with a hammer
[20:15] <hannah_irina> i have a hdd external how i mount in mnt/windows , becouse if i restart the computer mount automated in /media/New Volume
[20:15] <Pici> lgc: the point is that this channel is only for help with issues with Ubuntu installs. Its offtopic to provide recommendations for outside services for you to use with your Ubuntu install.
[20:15] <brightsparks> shaneo: where do I get spinrite?
[20:15] <jrib> lgc: this channel is for *ubuntu support* not (free or not free) vpn services.  So if you have a question about ubuntu support, please ask it.  Otherwise, you can try discussing for information about various vpn services in #ubuntu-offtopic for example
[20:15] <shaneo> brightsparks spinrite.com
[20:16] <Respite212> ok, so in order for me to mount my sdb1 to /home I got to do  -> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 (?) /home    ?
[20:16] <shaneo> read the info on it before using it
[20:16] <abimael> I want to create an application for ubuntu, can someone help me?
[20:16] <wibble235> I'm trying to copy some app data off my old iphone, but can't seem to see the app directories. should they be visible by default when plugging into an ubuntu 1204 install?
[20:16] <rumpe1> Respite212, no, usually something like that is done using fstab, so it gets mounted automatically
[20:16] <lgc> Thanks, Pici, jrib.
[20:16] <johnb> Is your application to be a GUI type abimael?
[20:16] <shaneo> wibble try ctrl+h
[20:17] <mbalmer> abimael, what do you want to do?
[20:17] <Respite212> rumpe1: Err.. where can I get fstab?
[20:17] <brightsparks> shaneo: looks like you have to pay for spinrite - I'm not tryng to recover high importance stuff
[20:17] <johnb> fstab is locate in /etc
[20:17] <rumpe1> Respite212, because /home also contains profiles for desktops so that would only make sense, if you are in a cli-only mode
[20:17] <auronandace> !fstab | Respite212
[20:17] <abimael> johnb & mbalmer: Yes, Thats my issue. Im learning C++ and I want to create a simple calculator but I dont know how to create the gui and how to incorporate the code with the gui
[20:17] <Troy^> aptana is one of the best programs i have used for developing webpages in linux.
[20:17] <brightsparks> shaneo: I was thinking along the lines of linux not microsoft windows
[20:18] <johnb> try cat /etc/fstab
[20:18] <brightsparks> Hi. Can anyone tell me how to recover an accidentally just deleted folder from home folder folder?
[20:18] <mbalmer> abimael, use Lua and a GUI toolkit.  easier.
[20:18] <abimael> johnb & mbalmer: This would be my first program, Id like to start small and then continue creating bigger and better applications
[20:18] <abimael> is LUA an actual package?
[20:18] <johnb> abimael you might want to consider then QT, have you heard of this?
[20:18] <shaneo> brightsparks you can use spinrotd
[20:19] <mbalmer> yes, Lua is a package.
[20:19] <abimael> johnb: No
[20:19] <shaneo> *sprinrite live cd for linux
[20:19] <johnb> OK, no worries, it is a C++ based cross platform IDE
[20:19] <shaneo> i dont use windows and would hot
[20:19] <shaneo> * not recommend win apps in a
[20:19] <johnb> YOu can deveop for GNU Linux and other OS
[20:19] <brightsparks> shaneo: where do I find spinrotd. It's not in the repository
[20:19] <shaneo> * linux chat
[20:20] <auronandace> brightsparks: if it is in the trash folder then open up the trash folder and rightclick the file and restore
[20:20] <VlanZ> any chance i can swab between interpreters on a script using first expect and then bash?  Can't really find any info anywhere
[20:20] <abimael> johnb: Ok So I Could program and create the gui in it as well??
[20:20] <mbalmer> abimael, and a Lua binding for Qt also exists, although Qt is bloatware.
[20:20] <johnb> it is a free download, try the ubuntu repositories
[20:20] <shaneo> brightsparks google is your friend i never said it was in the repos
[20:20] <brightsparks> auronandace: first place I looked
[20:20] <abimael> mbalmer: How can I install LUA?
[20:20] <johnb> yes, the IDE allows a rich GUI tool enviroment
[20:20] <brightsparks> shaneo: is it free?
[20:20] <auronandace> !undelete | brightsparks
[20:21] <johnb> you can develop great cross platform gui's, test and the C++ has intellisense to assist in code building
[20:21] <mbalmer> abimael, it's Lua, not LUA.
[20:21] <shaneo> brightsparks maybe somewhere but no
[20:21] <shaneo> but best app for recovery period
[20:21] <abimael> mbalmer: Yeah I Know, how do I install it?
[20:22] <johnb> of course try a google on QT
[20:22] <brightsparks> shaneo: if I wanted to buy software I would use Windows. But thanks anyway.
[20:22] <hannah_irina> o sugeti
[20:22] <mbalmer> abimael, use the usual package install mechanisms, apt, synaptic or whatever
[20:22] <abimael> ok
[20:22] <abimael> thanks
[20:23] <loki28> i'm having a problem with lpadmin with the -i switch for System V interface scripts, can anybody help
[20:23] <wibble235> shaneo: ... apparently I'm a massive noob. i'm getting a nautilus error now, but it looks like everything is visible. thanks!
[20:24] <mac_12> I'm using virtualbox. For sharing a folder do I change group permissions
[20:24] <mac_12> ?
[20:24] <IdleOne> !undelete | brightsparks
[20:24] <brightsparks> IdleOne: I don't understand?
[20:25] <johnb> mac_12, have you installed the VB addon's
[20:25] <thealphanerd> hey all… does anyone know where I can find documentation on updated a package?  The current package tracked for Chuck is pointing to an older version and I'd like to update the script
[20:25] <mac_12> yeah
[20:25] <IdleOne> brightsparks: you were looking to recover deleted data right?
[20:25] <Respite212> rumpe1: when I try to sudo fdisk -l , it tells me to use Gparted.
[20:26] <johnb> are trying to share to a local gnu linux host or other?
[20:26] <brightsparks> IdleOne: yes,  a deleted folder from my home folder
[20:26] <IdleOne> brightsparks: ok read what ubottu said to you
[20:27] <Respite212> !partitions
[20:27] <Respite212> ubottu: that's a bad link.
[20:27] <Mrcasy> hello everyone
[20:28] <deadmund> Mrcasy: hi
[20:28] <Mrcasy> anyone help with a problem of loosing the home folder off the desktop
[20:28] <Respite212> Anyone know where are my programs installed to?
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> !details | Mrcasy
[20:28] <deadmund> Respite212: They're files go to a couple different places but primarily /usr/bin
[20:28] <hannah_irina> i have a problem: http://pastebin.ca/2228945 , how i resolve ??
[20:29] <deadmund> hannah_irina: use sudo
[20:29] <japro> uh, in the install it says "allocate drive space by dragging the divider" but it doesn't say which side is for what :D
[20:29] <deadmund> hannah_irina: not sure what cu does though
[20:29] <shaneo> ok brightsparks sorry thought you wanted to recover data....not everything for ubuntu is free btw....if your loookinf for everything to be free no os offers such thing
[20:29] <mac_12> there's something wrong when I try to share a folder (something concerning group permissions)
[20:29] <Mrcasy> yes running ubuntu and some how lost the home dirctory off the home folder
[20:29] <deadmund> shaneo: gnusense
[20:29] <Respite212> deadmund: How do I create a shortcut?
[20:29] <qak> guys, is it possible to resize an existing win7 partition to make room for linux dual-boot?
[20:29] <deadmund> Respite212: using the ln command
[20:30] <hannah_irina> deadmund, i try to install hylafax  http://www.serverubuntu.it/node/8
[20:30] <deadmund> qak: If the partition is not 'dirty' and not mounted.
[20:30] <shaneo> deadmund?
[20:30] <mac_12> I've just installed vbox 4.2
[20:30] <Respite212> the what command?
[20:30] <johnb> sudo allows a user to run as another user, typically root for the purpose of a single command and will prompt for a password
[20:30] <deadmund> shaneo: gnusense is a completely free OS :)
[20:30] <brightsparks> shaneo: I'm sure you're only trying to be helpful it does sound slightly like you're lecturing to me. But thanks anyway.
[20:30] <deadmund> hannah_irina: great, use sudo
[20:30] <wilee-nilee> Mrcasy, there are 4 release of ubuntu and multiple desktops can you like isolate this a bit
[20:30] <deadmund> Respite212: the ln command :)
[20:30] <qak> deadmund: do i need a windows cd to shrink the partition? can i do that while booted from the hdd? can i do it with gparted?
[20:30] <shaneo> deadmund every evere is free for it or do some apps require purchase
[20:30] <deadmund> Respite212: ln creates a link (symlink they're called in linux)
[20:30] <Mrcasy> ok running 12.04
[20:31] <Mrcasy> ubuntu
[20:31] <johnb> gparted, yes
[20:31] <hannah_irina> deadmund, i used
[20:31] <deadmund> qak: You do not.  You can do it with gparted booted from the hdd if it is not dirty and it is not mounted
[20:31] <rhodri_> Could someone help me please? How would you go about sharing a mobile broadband usb modem to a xbox via ethernet?
[20:31] <hannah_irina> deadmund, and is the same
[20:31] <deadmund> shaneo: What is an evere ?
[20:31] <Respite212> deadmund: Well what happened was I installed Wine and playonlinux through terminal, but I cannot find the folder in which it was installed to and do not know how to launch the programs.
[20:31] <qak> deadmund: not sure what you mean by dirty.
[20:31] <deadmund> hannah_irina: then IDK
[20:31] <qak> deadmund: as in sync() ?
[20:31] <hannah_irina> what is idk?
[20:31] <rhodri_> Please could someone help me?
[20:32] <qak> hannah_irina: idk = i don't know
[20:32] <lifebird64> idk what idk means ;)
[20:32] <hannah_irina> :P
[20:32] <deadmund> Respite212: wine is a program that runs .exe (windows) programs.  You can invoke it by running wine <somefile.exe>  Wine does not have a gui on it's own.
[20:32] <johnb> to launch a program in gnu linux you can type the name of the program at a shell terminal
[20:32] <hannah_irina> lifebird64, deadmund http://pastebin.ca/2228947
[20:32] <deadmund> qak: Dirty is what windows considers a partition that has errors or was not shut down properly
[20:32] <deadmund> qak: Not sure what sync() is
[20:32] <qak> deadmund: oic ... sweet
[20:32] <Respite212> deadmund: What about PoL?
[20:33] <deadmund> hannah_irina: I have no idea.  Weird.
[20:33] <deadmund> Respite212: I've never used that program.  Can you show me the command you used to install it?
[20:33] <qak> deadmund: i only know dirty in terms of a buffer that hasn't been written / flushed. if a linux fs had open filehandles, sync() would ensure their buffers are written
[20:33] <lifebird64> hanna_irina: looking...
[20:33] <qak> deadmund: good for cleanly unmounting a system that's looking fsck'd
[20:33] <kapilratnani> rhodri_, i failed when i tried to something similar. Still the documentation which might help is here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[20:33] <hannah_irina> lifebird64, deadmund, resolved with sudo chmod o+rw /dev/ttyS0
[20:34] <Respite212> deadmund: wget -q "http://deb.playonlinux.com/public.gpg" -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[20:34] <Respite212> sudo wget http://deb.playonlinux.com/playonlinux_precise.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/playonlinux.list
[20:34] <Respite212> sudo apt-get update
[20:34] <Respite212> sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[20:34] <deadmund> qak: "dirty" as I'm using it, is a butchered MS term that has no definite meaning.  Try to shrink the partition using gparted.  You'll see quickly if it is 'dirty' or not.
[20:34] <Mrcasy> sudo apt-get update
[20:34] <deadmund> hannah_irina: good :)
[20:34] <rhodri_> Thank you very much kapil!
[20:34] <qak> deadmund: gotcha. thanks for the tip, i'll give it a go! :D
[20:34] <deadmund> Respite212: Have you tried running "playonlinux" without the quotes in the terminal?
[20:35] <deadmund> qak_afk: sure
[20:35] <deadmund> qak: sure
[20:35] <linlin1> how can i play avi video from ubuntu guys ?
[20:35] <qak_afk> :D  ... afk? on my way! ....
[20:36] <johnb> is this channel supposed to be related to ubuntu servers?
[20:36] <deadmund> linlin1: double click the file and totem will play it?
[20:36] <deadmund> johnb: not specifically.  there is #ubuntu-server
[20:36] <Respite212> Deadmund: Thanks so much, how Im curious, how do I create a shortcut for PoL that launched from the terminal to my desktop?
[20:36] <rhodri_> Ah, I saw this earlier as I've been searching thought the internet for 2 hours haha, but it doesn't seem to work for mobile internet as it doesn't have the option to "Share to other computers" do you know how I could get around this? Thanks.
[20:36] <lifebird64> hannah: I'm not sure what to make of that one. /dev/ttyS0 is apparently in use. by what? *shrug* not sure yet. researching...
[20:37] <linlin1> id dosent  play
[20:37] <deadmund> Respite212: well, it probably get installed to /usr/local/bin so it should be showing up in your menus and such but.... ln -s /path/to/playonlinux /path/to/shortcut/shortcutname
[20:37] <lifebird64> man -k tty
[20:37] <lifebird64> oops
[20:37] <deadmund> Respite212: Do you understand?
[20:37] <lifebird64> wrong console. disregard.
[20:37] <asdsda> hello
[20:38] <sberla> I have a question to ask yourself
[20:38] <sberla> of motorola Razr i
[20:38] <sberla> is possibile install ubuntu
[20:38] <hannah_irina> hmm i press a command and now the terminal is blocked cu -l /dev/ttyS0
[20:38] <sberla> motorola phone is cpu intel architetture x8086
[20:38] <hannah_irina> how i kill this command
[20:38] <obiwlan> errm, that's weird.. my unity launcher shows the netbeans icon on the first position when i type 'net' but can't find it when i type 'netbeans'
[20:38] <hannah_irina> becouse not see in ps x
[20:39] <Respite212> deadmund: Im not sure.
[20:39] <rhodri_> Is anyone able to help me?
[20:39] <bekks> hannah_irina: "cu" is not a valid command.
[20:39] <Respite212> deadmund: This is my second day using ubuntu so far haven't figured much out yet.
[20:39] <seumas_> its easy to learn :)
[20:39] <deadmund> Respite212: Haha.  No worries.  Ask me a more specific question.
[20:39] <lifebird64> hanna: private chat.
[20:39] <guntbert> hannah_irina: what is -l supposed to do? I cannot find it in the man page
[20:40] <guntbert> !please | rhodri_
[20:41] <Respite212> deadmund: Now, I just recently (about 2 hrs ago) did a fresh install of ubuntu. Since then I installed my nvidia graphics, adobe flash/air. Previously you mentioned that PoL should be in my menus.... I do not see such menus anywhere and my desktop screen are clean.
[20:41] <deadmund> Respite212: oh um... I'm thinking of older version of Ubuntu :X
[20:41] <VlanZ> any chance i can swab between interpreters on a script using first expect and then bash?  Can't really find any info anywhere
[20:42] <Respite212> deadmund: Im currently using ubuntu 12.04 lts I think
[20:42] <deadmund> Respite212: that's the newest stable version.  You're probably right.  I'm not running that on my machine so I can't see it and I dont' remember it perfectly :P
[20:42] <deadmund> Respite212: I think though you can't have desktop icons int he new Ubuntu?
[20:42] <deadmund> IDK
[20:43] <Respite212> deadmund: No, There is a dock sorta like a windows task bar.
[20:43] <rocket_hamster> vlanz
[20:43] <rocket_hamster> sec
[20:43] <deadmund> Respite212: I remember that part :)
[20:45] <rocket_hamster> VlanZ this is how i do it for ruby http://pastebin.com/bEMatj3y
[20:46] <Respite212> deadmund: Any clue on how to remove/uninstall WINE from my computer through terminal?
[20:46] <ThePendulum> In Nautilus, is it possible to hide certain filetypes using a .hide file (the same way one may hide specific files)
[20:46] <bekks> Respite212: sudo apt-get purge wine
[20:47] <Respite212> thanks
[20:48] <Respite212> How do I stop gparted from auto launching every few minutes?
[20:48] <Schuyler1> anyone here familiar with pbuilder?
[20:48] <Schuyler1> hello. I'm having an issue with pbuilder -- when I run pdebuild, it doesn't seem to be getting the DEBBUILDOPTS from my ~/.pbuilderrc
[20:49] <Schuyler1> running on Oneiric
[20:49] <VlanZ> rocket_hamster: no, i'm actually running a script with !#/usr/bin/expect  and at the end of the script i'd like to run a bash script
[20:49] <Schuyler1> I made the mistake of asking this question in #debian but as soon as you say "Ubuntu" they cut you off
[20:49] <ThePendulum> Is there a way to use 'ls' in the terminal and show all files but, for example, .mkv ones?
[20:50] <ThePendulum> Basically 'grep', but the inverse
[20:50] <bekks> ThePendulum: ls *.mkv
[20:50] <ThePendulum> bekks: Any file but mkv files, hehe
[20:50] <guntbert> ThePendulum: ls -l |grep -v mkv
[20:50] <lbod> Cowsquad: are you away now?
[20:50] <rocket_hamster> vlanz just change /usr/bin/ruby <<-RBEND to /bin/bash <<-BASH_PART
[20:51] <ThePendulum> guntbert: That's it, thanks
[20:51] <rocket_hamster> should work
[20:51] <lbod> trying to install the iso of win8 into virtual box, been a while since ive done this but it doesnt look like VB runs iso's?
[20:51] <bekks> lbod: vbox runs ISO files pretty fine.
[20:52] <bekks> lbod: And thats not an Ubuntu issue.
[20:52] <guntbert> lbod: this is the *ubuntu* support channel - vbox support in #vbox
[20:52] <lbod> guntbert: sorry, im running it on ubuntu though :D
[20:52] <guntbert> lbod: still
[20:52] <lbod> i agree
[20:52] <bekks> lbod: Which doesnt convert it into an Ubuntu issue.
[20:53] <lbod> thx anyway, was just looking earlier for other guys whod done this on linux, point taken, ill away and shoot myself
[20:53]  * bekks did it.
[20:54] <bekks> But not in #ubuntu, but in #vbox
[20:54] <lbod> point taken
[20:54] <Taffflash> Hi there guys. wow this is all new to me lol
[20:55] <VlanZ> rocket_hamster:  expect doesn't seem to allow me to start a line with /bin/bash  ...or else i've got it wrong :(
[20:55] <Taffflash> Linux that is
[20:55] <guntbert> Taffflash: welcome to the ubuntu suport channel
[20:55] <Taffflash> Time to do abit of reading I think
[20:55] <Taffflash> guntbert, thank you
[20:56] <niggajones> anybody knows if there's a lady gaga flavor of umbuntu?
[20:56] <Dr_willis> always good to read. You have checked out the official 'Ubuntu manual' Taffflash ?
[20:57] <Taffflash> Dr_willis, No I have not! Just installed x-chat and done the updates and that's about it hehe
[20:57] <Dr_willis> !manual > Taffflash
[20:57] <Dr_willis> Taffflash,  and a big tip - Press and HOLD the 'windows/super' key to see a list of keybord shortcuts. :) its often overlooked
[20:58] <Taffflash> Dr_willis, Thank you for the link and the tip:)
[20:59] <Taffflash> Dr_willis, Ok I see how the short vut keys can help hehe
[21:00] <Dr_willis> yea they need to make a tips feature to pop up some info about these obscure features
[21:00] <rocket_hamster> VlanZ then maybe you can run your script as /bin/bash then change env to expect for whole expect part and at the end close expetc part
[21:01] <Taffflash> Well I like what I see so far since I installed it an hour ago
[21:07] <VlanZ> rocket_hamster:  you mean like this?  http://slashraul.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/embedding-expect-inside-of-bash/
[21:07] <VlanZ> i've just found it
[21:09] <marcappuccino> Hi, does anyone know who I can talk to about work experience at Canonical?
[21:10] <bit> finder.gr
[21:12] <rocket_hamster> vlanZ you can do it like that but you can also change environment completely to expet like i did with ruby
[21:12] <hannah_irina> hi, is anyone how know about hylafax? i have a little problem i press: cu -l /dev/ttyS0 , and give me Connected... but the terminal blocked... how i resolve this error?
[21:13] <bonhoeffer> in 12.04 does anyone know how to make a window take up half the screen (left, for example)
[21:13] <xangua> just drag the windows to the left edge bonhoeffer
[21:15] <japro> annoying i installed the the amd driver via that popup you get after installing
[21:15] <marcappuccino> bonhoeffer: drag to left - fill up half the screen drag to right - fill up the right of the screen, drag to top - maximize
[21:15] <japro> but now when i try to run a opengl program or try to launch the AMD catalyst control thing it errors and tells me there is no AMD driver running
[21:15] <marcappuccino> japro: run in term: fglrxinfo
[21:15] <effigy> I have a question on card readers and ubuntu
[21:16] <guntbert> !ask | effigy
[21:16] <OerHeks> bonhoeffer, this askubuntu answer gives control over any app you want to set > http://askubuntu.com/questions/107951/how-to-set-a-specific-window-size-for-all-windows-that-open-to-default
[21:16] <Respite212> hello guys, how do I 1.) remove my current nvidia graphics cards that I installed from terminal and from ppa source and get one from the repository?
[21:16] <japro> marcappuccino, X Error of failed request: BadRequest ...
[21:16] <BlackTart> hi all
[21:16] <OerHeks> !ppa-purge | Respite212
[21:17] <BlackTart> how do I reset my clock using the cli?
[21:17] <marcappuccino> japro: japro: hang on i know a link which i will give to you
[21:18] <guntbert> BlackTart: if you don't use ntp then  date would be the command you need
[21:18] <japro> there is a fglrx modul loaded according to lsmod
[21:18] <Respite212> OerHeks: errr.. thanks.... how do I find my installed nvidia's repository name/subdirectory?
[21:19] <BlackTart> guntbert, I dont use ntp and I couldnt figure out hot to set the time using DATE  I did manage to set the date though!
[21:19] <OerHeks> Respite212, open softwarecentre > edit sources
[21:20] <marcappuccino> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/VideoDriverDetection#Problem:_Need_to_purge_-fglrx - japro
[21:20] <BlackTart> guntbert, could you give us a hint?
[21:21] <japro> marcappuccino, thx, will try
[21:21] <marcappuccino> after this, japro: after this, i have written an answer to someone else showing how to correctly reinstall catalyst: http://askubuntu.com/questions/183249/the-package-fglrx-needs-to-be-reinstalled-but-i-cant-find-an-archive-for-it/189910#189910
[21:22] <marcappuccino> anyone know who I can talk to about work experience at Canonical?
[21:22] <guntbert> BlackTart: try date -s "22:10", see  man date for details (I never used that)
[21:22] <[m]> hello
[21:22] <Dr_willis> marcappuccino,  im not sure anyone knowws what you mean by 'work experience' and i would have to say ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:23] <buckerss> hey guys, after i launch xfreerdp successfully, it automatically quits after about a minute, everytime. any idea why?
[21:23] <jagginess> buckerss, maybe it's the server's configuration to disconnect on idle
[21:23] <BlackTart> guntbert, Thanks that worked (silly me!) to many options confuse me
[21:24] <marcappuccino> work experience as in year 11 we go to work for a week without pay to experience it. In the UK, maybe America is different. Thanks i will try off-topic, if not #ubuntu-uk
[21:24] <buckerss> jagginess: i thought that too. its not, the server is set to never terminate idle connections
[21:24] <jagginess> marcappuccino, nobody hires us to volunteer, we just come out here on our own
[21:24] <jagginess> lol
[21:24] <guntbert> BlackTart: You're welcome
[21:25] <buckerss> jagginess: any other ideas?
[21:25] <marcappuccino> Maybe I am thinking of working at canonical, so everyone in year 11 must choose a shortlist of companies to send requests to.
[21:26] <guntbert> !ot | marcappuccino
[21:27] <marcappuccino> Yes i know sorry I was just explaining.
[21:28] <goraxe> whats the name of the printer setup wizzard?
[21:28] <goraxe> I need to run it from xterm
[21:28] <AddisonE> Whenever I reboot ubuntu, the dev/null permissions are set to 600. If I call 'udevadm trigger', it sets them correctly. I don't know if something is overriding udev or if udev isn't running correctly in the first place. Does anyone know a way to debug this?
[21:29] <OerHeks> goraxe localhost:631
[21:29] <japro> marcappuccino, to me it looks like the driver installed ok but it just isn't used or so
[21:30] <zykotick9> OerHeks: while "I" like you answer, i don't think that's what goraxe is looking for ;)
[21:30] <japro> xorg.conf doesn't mention it and running aticonfig says "no supported adapter detected"
[21:31] <goraxe> managed to figure it out system-config-printer
[21:31] <BlackTart> thanks a lot folks   bye bye!!
[21:32] <Respite212> How do I remove nvidia X Server settings?
[21:32] <marcappuccino> japro, did you remove and reinstall the drivers?
[21:32] <AddisonE> I couldn't find the command 'goraxe', sorry. What does it do exactly?
[21:33] <goraxe> out and out wizzardry, there is not much the command 'goraxe' cannot do
[21:33] <zykotick9> AddisonE: ;) goraxe is a nickname in this channel
[21:33] <AddisonE> Oh :P
[21:33] <goraxe> ;-)
[21:34] <Respite212> Anyone know why I try to install nvidia graphics driver from "additional drivers" keep failing? how do I access /var/log/jockey.log?
[21:34] <zykotick9> Respite212: your question is a bit unclear.  if you want to reset/disable nvidia, just rename xorg.conf file.
[21:34] <Rat409> BlackTart: try installing openntpd then sudo /usr/sbin/ntpd -s in xterm
[21:36] <zykotick9> Rat409: fyi if you install a service, it should be automatically 1) started and 2) set to start at boot.
[21:36] <Nicky0> Hi, my system with ubuntu 12.04 just crashed; do i get to see which error was generated like with dmesg or such?
[21:37] <japro> marcappuccino, so i should install from the amd binaries directly?
[21:37] <marcappuccino> just follow the instructions from the first link i gave you.
[21:39] <darecki> :D
[21:40] <japro> marcappuccino, fglrx-modaliases doesn't seem to exist anymore so i installed one of the packages it said replace it (fglrx-updates)
[21:40] <zykotick9> Nicky0: you could have a glance through /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/messages perhaps?  use times as your guide is my only hint.
[21:41] <VirtualAnomaly> I was trying to change login managers and lxdm did not start correctly. Ive done the following. "sudo apt-get --purge remove gdm && sudo apt-get install lxdm && sudo update-rc.d -f lxdm defaults'
[21:41] <christian_> :::: I WILL PAY ANY ONE VIA PAY PAL 100 US DOLLARS, THAT CAN SUCSESSULLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO INSTALL UBUNTU ON MAC MINI PRE DATING 2007 . IT WAS A MOTOROLA PPC G4 1.4 gHZ  PROC WITH 2 GIGS OF DDR RAM. ::::AGAIN TO ANY ONE THAT CAN SUCSESSFULLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN UBUNTU ON A G4 PROCESSOR THAT IS MOTOROLA G4 NOT INTEL P4 OK !!!:::
[21:41] <paul_uk> hey guys, is there a way of killing gvfs-afc-volume-monitor?  its causing my laptop to be at 100% cpu and the fan is always on and the laptop is slow as a resuilt.  thanks
[21:41] <japro> marcappuccino, still says not amd graphics driver installed
[21:41] <niko> christian_: avoid caps if you want help
[21:41] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: gdm?  what version of ubuntu are you using ("lsb_release -sc" if you aren't sure)
[21:42] <marcappuccino> Firtst, remove the drivers, then I can talk to you about installing the latest ones japro
[21:42] <jrib> christian_: in the future, please ask just your question without caps and the annoying formatting
[21:42] <jagginess> !ops christian_
[21:42] <VirtualAnomaly> precise
[21:42] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: using update-rc.d is also quasi-deprecated in ubbuntu as well.
[21:42] <japro> marcappuccino, ah so you didn't want me to followd all of the first link :D
[21:42] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: precise uses lightdm by default, NOT gdm!
[21:42] <jrib> !ppc > christian_
[21:42] <japro> since that also says to reinstall ;)
[21:42] <christian_> YES
[21:42] <VirtualAnomaly> yes, Ive switched it a couple of times
[21:42] <christian_> sorry
[21:42] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: i'm guessing you are following outdated instructions/steps
[21:42] <christian_> my caps key is stiking
[21:42] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads/
[21:43] <VirtualAnomaly> I think it was for 10.04 and I assumed the basic commands stayed the same
[21:43] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: they really haven't...
[21:43] <serptn> is there a way do discover what name to use to launch a program from the terminal? i know i can google the specific program like i did for chrome: google-chrome. Also i know how if i have a gui but not from the CLI alone.
[21:43] <christian_> its a old toshiba laptop  i resurected of my mothers she would open soda cans over the keyboard
[21:43] <paul_uk> if i installed 11.04 and upgraded to 11.10.  if i do another upgrade to 12.04 and i have apps installed this time, would it screw up the system?
[21:44] <marcappuccino> I am sorry lol you can disregard the fglrx-modealiases bit, as it is not installed - I had faced this myself at one point. Just tell me when everything is removed.
[21:44] <zykotick9> serptn: tab complete.  and "man command" will help a lot!
[21:44] <VirtualAnomaly> lxdm starts up after logging into tty1 and running 'sudo service lxdm start' I just need to somehow start that up at boot without logging in first
[21:44] <jrib> paul_uk: it should not; but backups are a good idea regardless
[21:44] <Iceman_B> lo
[21:44] <zykotick9> serptn: like "l<TAB><TAB>" will list all commands starting with l.
[21:44] <paul_uk> jrib, that goes without saying.  but im abroad at the moment and dont have access to anything right now
[21:44] <VirtualAnomaly> what would be the replacement for update-rc.d?
[21:45] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: what do you want to do exactly?
[21:45] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: don't ask, there isn't one really.
[21:45] <VirtualAnomaly> add lxdm to boot
[21:45] <japro> marcappuccino, i purged all fglrx packages
[21:45] <Iceman_B> I'm running 12.04 and I installed in tftpd-hpa package. But how do I see if it's running/ how do I start it?
[21:45] <serptn> zykotick9: i hear ya but befor i looked it up i was trying chrome, gchrome g-chrome... to no avail. i dont want to brute force it lol..
[21:45] <zykotick9> VirtualAnomaly: installing lxdm should have asked during installation (or it should have).
[21:46] <VirtualAnomaly> it did but for some reason it doesnt start up, I have to log into tty1 and run sudo service lxdm start
[21:46] <marcappuccino> ok. now follow my second link, first download the latest linux drivers from the amd website.
[21:46] <zykotick9> serptn: do you know the package name?  if you do, then you can check what it installed you can
[21:46] <Nicky0> zykotick9: nothing on kernel.log.  The system freezes at random point, no mouse, keyboard and cpu 100% (i can tell because i have an amperometer before the outlet of the server).  Anyways i might test the RAM, if that's ok i'll install something else
[21:46] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: 1) check that the contenst of /etc/init/lxdm.conf (probably) are sane and 2) check bugs.ubuntu.com
[21:47] <zykotick9> serptn: do you know the package name?  if you do, then you can check what it installed <SORRY> with "dpkg -S foo"
[21:47] <jrib> zykotick9: -L not -S
[21:48] <VirtualAnomaly> http://pastebin.com/FUCYhH8M
[21:49] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: so what's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[21:49] <abimael> how can i create an application with python for ubuntu and a gui? whats the best application to use?
[21:49] <zykotick9> serptn: see jrib above!  sorry i tested with -S and it looked like the right output - but you're correct that's show documentation or something?  my bad.
[21:49] <VirtualAnomaly> just 'lxdm'
[21:49] <hannah_irina> how i update firefox?
[21:49] <bekks> abimael: The editor of your choice, basically.
[21:50] <abimael> bekks: how about creating a gui and bringing the code together?
[21:50] <jrib> zykotick9: -S is nifty for finding what package owns a file.  So you could do dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim and get back the vim package.  Though it's really slow :) (dlocate is faster)
[21:50] <VirtualAnomaly> is that supose to have just that one word?
[21:50] <serptn> zykotick9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1248404/ i can find what i want, but only because i know what im looking for now :)
[21:50] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: did you do my step (2)? :)
[21:50] <xangua> hannah_irina: latest stable firefox is already on ubuntu...if you install updated
[21:50] <zykotick9> jrib: did you try -S with a package name?
[21:50] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: what actually happens by the way when you boot now?
[21:50] <L8D> LOL! My linux newbie friend just asked what the best anti-virus software for ubuntu was...
[21:50] <hannah_irina> tnx
[21:50] <k4r1m> is there a buffered terminal for linux just like that of os x ?
[21:51] <jrib> zykotick9: it should just search for files with the package name in their paths in that case
[21:51] <zykotick9> jrib: ya, i use -S a lot.  thus my mind-fart with suggesting -L a moment ago ;)
[21:51] <VirtualAnomaly> I dont see your step 2, what was it
[21:51] <bekks> k4r1m: Every terminal emulator is buffered.
[21:51] <jrib> zykotick9: you use dlocate?  It will save you lots of time with -S
[21:52] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: check the bug tracker at http://bugs.ubuntu.com :)
[21:52] <VirtualAnomaly> no I havent
[21:52] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: what actually happens by the way when you boot now?
[21:52] <zykotick9> jrib: i've never used dlocate.  </me made note for later, thanks>
[21:52] <serptn> zykotick9: http://pastebin.com/80mJW297
[21:53] <zykotick9> uhhh
[21:53] <zykotick9> serptn: sorry, i don't visit pastebin.com.
[21:53] <k4r1m>  bekks: err not what I meant. the os x terminal's whole screen is buffered and not just sgements which allows dynamic resizing of the text upon resizing the window... not a behavior found in the standard ubuntu terminal
[21:53] <serptn> zykotick9: huh, who doesnt go to pastebin? do you have another prefrence?
[21:53] <VirtualAnomaly> I get a terminal like login (tty), login and just get a terminal. In order for me to load any type of graphics I run 'sudo service lxdm start' then login to lxdm
[21:54] <bekks> k4r1m: The terminal content is buffered in all current terminal emulators.
[21:54] <zykotick9> !paste > serptn
[21:54] <k4r1m> I give up.
[21:54] <chris92> umm short question... im thinking about installing ubuntu on my main computer for dualbooting with win8. does anybody know if win8 is working with that?
[21:54] <zykotick9> serptn: no adds, no tracking.
[21:55] <serptn> zykotick9: i got no problem with that, pastebinit wasnt working for it
[21:55] <zykotick9> serptn: you CAN use pastebinit with ubuntu paste BTW
[21:55] <k4r1m> :x
[21:55] <Nicky0> zykotick9: are you aware of anything that could help me understanding why is this happening?  I used  xlinpack_xeon64 and i ha no problems there. It just happens random, maybe there is some drivers conflict
[21:55] <k4r1m> oops wrong windows.
[21:56] <zykotick9> Nicky0: you have a xeon64 processor?  i can't help.
[21:56] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: the issue is that your /etc/X11/default-display-manager says "lxdm" instead of "/usr/sbin/lxdm".  Are you on 12.04?)
[21:56] <Nicky0> zykotick9: no it's a i5-3570K
[21:56] <VirtualAnomaly> Yes, Im 12.04
[21:56] <Nicky0> zykotick9: but since it's 64 bit i used that xlinpack version to test it
[21:56] <zykotick9> Nicky0: then your xlinpack_xeon64 install makes no sense!
[21:56] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: what does « which lxdm » return for you?
[21:57] <serptn> zykotick9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1248413/
[21:57] <Nicky0> zykotick9: but it states in the manual to use that for 64 bit architecture
[21:57] <VirtualAnomaly> /usr/sbin/lxdm
[21:57] <zykotick9> Nicky0: xeon != amd64
[21:57] <VirtualAnomaly> okay, so I change /etc/X11/default-display-manager from lxdm to /usr/sbin/lxdm. Im going to reboot now to test it out.
[21:58] <bekks> zykotick9: Which is not true in all cases.
[21:58] <Nicky0> zykotick9:  so which version of xlinpack should i use?
[21:58] <bekks> Modern xeon processors are amd64.
[21:58] <zykotick9> serptn: as jrib pointed out!  it's -S, i was wrong!
[21:58] <Nicky0> zykotick9:  there is just itanium, xeon32 and xeon64
[21:58] <trigger_kill> Is there a way to install kde without installing all the kde default applications, just the backgrounds?
[21:59] <jrib> zykotick9: wait, I'm not sure what you are doing now... Before I thought you wanted to list files installed by package and that's what -L is for (but it seems chrome is not installed for serptn )
[21:59] <zykotick9> Nicky0: i have NO idea.  good luck.  but it ain't xeon that's for sure.  OR intanium - that's not right either.
[21:59] <serptn> zykotick9: you said -S the first time then jrib said -L
[21:59] <zykotick9> serptn: chrome isn't a package name!
[21:59] <figago> hello
[21:59] <zykotick9> serptn: chromium or google-chrome
[21:59] <figago> can i get some help plz
[22:00] <zykotick9> jrib: i did want to list packages!  so it is -L ;)
[22:00] <rafael_> someone use xinerama??
[22:00] <japro> marcappuccino, this time aticonfig did work currently rebooting
[22:00] <rafael_> i trying to make this works
[22:00] <VirtualAnomaly> Okay, still have the problem after changing /etc/X11/default-display-manager to '/usr/sbin/lxdm'
[22:00] <figago> i have a problem with an upgrade that i made
[22:00] <zykotick9> !anywone | rafael_
[22:00] <zykotick9> !anyone | rafael_
[22:00] <serptn> jrib: i do have chrome but it is 'google-chrome' to run from term. I am trying to figure out how to do this with term only, no googleing...no gui...
[22:00] <Nicky0> zykotick9: ok but it doesnt crash when i use it, indeed it outputs like 95 Gflops and i don't think that if it was incompatible it would manage to do almost 100 billion operations per second
[22:01] <VirtualAnomaly> would it be better to install lubuntu and then run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'?
[22:01] <Respite212> Hi everyone, do any of you know where to get nvidia graphics drivers for the GTX 660 TI? the "additional drivers" in applications does not install for me.
[22:01] <jrib> VirtualAnomaly: it shouldn't matter
[22:01] <rafael_> http://pastebin.com/6JA72YeA
[22:01] <zykotick9> serptn: if you use google-chrome I'm out.  best of luck to you - enjoy ubuntu.  <don't reply to me further, i won't see it>
[22:01] <Nicky0> zykotick9: however my question was how can i check for drivers issue, not CPU or RAM since i can already check that
[22:01] <rafael_> http://pastebin.com/4Y4fHcaA xorg.conf
[22:02] <VirtualAnomaly> the install is only a week old, so ill just reinstall than
[22:02] <zykotick9> Nicky0: for cpu/ram usage i use "htop" from cli?
[22:02] <rafael_> i start the xinerama now.. but nothing hapens
[22:03] <zykotick9> Nicky0: drivers are mainly a kernel issue - "additional drivers" or whatever it's called now makes many other drivers installs in ubuntu really straight forwards.
[22:03] <japro> marcappuccino, looks like it works, my opengl 4 programs run
[22:05] <Nicky0> zykotick9: i think it's a driver issue because 30 minutes before the crash the USB2.0 controller went down, so i had to connect mouse and keyboard to the 3.0 controller. Then after 30 minutes the system halted but i get nothing on the logs
[22:05] <rafael_> ?
[22:05] <zykotick9> Nicky0: what graphics driver do you use?
[22:05] <Nicky0> zykotick9: i didn't really tweak the system, not at all
[22:05] <OerHeks> rafael_, xorg>    Option "Xinerama" "0" to   Option "Xinerama" "on"
[22:05] <zykotick9> Nicky0: does X have errors /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any EEs?
[22:06] <Nicky0> zykotick9: i5 processors use HD3500 embedded VGA
[22:06] <Nicky0> or it should be
[22:06] <Iceman_B> i'm tying to set up Ubuntu as a PXEboot server, and Im trying to setup tftpd-hpa, but I'm running into a snag
[22:06] <rafael_> oerherks .. i did it ..
[22:06] <Nicky0> i don't have any other VGA card
[22:06] <VirtualAnomaly> anyone else hear of suicide linux? http://qntm.org/suicide
[22:06] <Iceman_B> anyone here with some expertise?
[22:06] <rafael_> but nothing happens
[22:06] <zykotick9> Nicky0: HD3500 is that intel or ati?  or something else?  "lspci | grep -i vga" would show for sure.
[22:07] <Respite212> Any of you know where to get nvidia graphics drivers for the GTX 660 TI? the "additional drivers" in applications does not install for me. It keeps erroring and creates a /var/log/jockey.log.
[22:07] <rafael_> i think the error is on the vesa driver on my xorg.
[22:07] <Nicky0> zykotick9: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Ivy Bridge Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[22:07] <rafael_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
[22:08] <serptn> should i not use googles chrome web browser for some reason?
[22:08] <rafael_> i dont found this driver :/
[22:08] <zykotick9> Nicky0: have you seen http://askubuntu.com/questions/172173/ivy-bridge-graphics-not-working-core-i5-hd-2500 ?
[22:08] <OerHeks> S3 is an old card & problem card.
[22:09] <rafael_> yep :/
[22:09] <zykotick9> Nicky0: involves adding some PPA :(
[22:09] <rafael_> very very problems
[22:10] <Nicky0> zykotick9: sorry, what is PPA?   but anyways, i don't think i have any video issue... the system just freezes
[22:10] <zykotick9> !ppa | Nicky0
[22:12] <zykotick9> Nicky0: i gots nothin'  sorry.  best of luck.
[22:12] <Nicky0> zykotick9: however in my experience it could be a RAM issue so i'd like to test it boefore... do you remember the name of that program that ends with 86x or something that does that?  I had that in mind until 10 mins ago
[22:12] <kukuri> p
[22:13] <zykotick9> Nicky0: i doubt a freeze like you are talking about (gui interface vs system/kernel) is a bad RAM issue myself
[22:14] <zykotick9> Nicky0: good luck.  i'm away/out/gone.
[22:15] <Niky0> zykotick9: sorry, happened just now!!!
[22:16] <Niky0> zykotick9: i need this program so bad :/
[22:16] <cincinnatus> What would be a good control panel for Ubuntu for someone who's familiar with *nix and doesn't really need one?
[22:16] <rafael_> almost giving up
[22:17] <bekks> cincinnatus: Define "control panel" without mentioning "terminal" please.
[22:17] <VirtualAnomaly> is he wanting a panel?
[22:17] <cincinnatus> I tried Zentyal, and it seems too cpanelish. Back in the days, I used Webkinz
[22:17] <cincinnatus> Webmin
[22:17] <bekks> ouch
[22:17] <cincinnatus> Damn you autocorrect
[22:18] <cincinnatus> I mean a Web based server administration panel
[22:19] <mastershake> hello everyone
[22:19] <MarbleMad_> Hu, ubuntu novice having trouble with an update to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS. Installed on an old thinkpad t41, I think I've lost OpenGL I think. I use blender most of the time and it now crashes on launch. Can anyone help?
[22:19] <wutang> It's just taken me 3 fricking hours to install ubuntu
[22:19] <wutang> what the hell is going wron with it?
[22:19] <jaekid> Hi, i'm trying to install curl, but keep getting an unmet dependencies error. do i really need to uninstall php and start new?
[22:19] <wutang> 12.04 on an Intel i7 X58, Asus Rampage Gene II MoBo
[22:20] <force> did you try to reinstall it
[22:20] <jaekid> i'm afraid of breaking the installation
[22:20] <jaekid> so, no
[22:20] <wutang> battered off win7 + Ubuntu 12.04 on top
[22:20] <wutang> wha tthe hell
[22:20] <wutang> just my 2 cents
[22:20] <wutang> rather than install, download, install, download, install, download packages from the internet and so on
[22:21] <wutang> why not just modify the script to download all modules and depencies then run the frickers
[22:21] <cincinnatus> MarbleMad: you may want to check your kernel modules
[22:21] <MarbleMad_> i don't really know what that means
[22:21] <MonkeyDust> wutang  maybe you can submit the idea in !brainstorm
[22:21] <jaekid>  php5-curl : Depends: phpapi-20090626+lfs
[22:21] <jaekid>              Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.5-1ubuntu7.11) but 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6 is to be installed
[22:22] <jordanm> jaekid: looks like you are mixing ubuntu versions or 3rd party repositories
[22:22] <wutang> I might have to
[22:22] <cincinnatus> MarbleMad: i.e. to see if your video card driver is still loaded
[22:22] <jaekid> i've looked for duplicate entries and can't find any
[22:22] <wutang> where's Mr Ubuntu when you need him
[22:22] <jaekid> only 3rd party repo is tor
[22:22] <jaekid> rest are not anything different
[22:23] <jordanm> jaekid: pastebin: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5-curl php5-common
[22:23] <jaekid> ok one sec
[22:24] <MarbleMad_> ok cincinnatus I'll go away and swat up on how to do that. thanks for the lead.
[22:26] <force> wutang just git a new copy ubuntu if you got a 32 bit or 64 bit it will work
[22:27] <jaekid> heres policy: http://pastebin.com/8829W4DU
[22:27] <jaekid> apt-cache policy
[22:28] <jordanm> jaekid: you have maverick and natty repos, you are mixing ubuntu releases
[22:28] <jaekid> so just delete the maverick entries from sources.list?
[22:29] <jordanm> also, you are attempting to pin php packages (presumably to maverick repos that you have removed)
[22:29] <jaekid> pinning is over my head
[22:29] <jaekid> confused
[22:29] <jaekid> i just simply need curl installed
[22:30] <elvis4526> Will 4gb of ram an a pentium t3200 2.00GHz is fine too run unity?
[22:32] <OerHeks> elvis4526, i think it needs a good videocard.
[22:33] <elvis4526> Derpian: I have an intel chipset...
[22:34] <OerHeks> Best way to find out is start the iso in live mode
[22:34] <jaekid> now after commenting out the maverick entries from sources.list i'm getting the error
[22:34] <jaekid> Duplicate sources.list entry http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[22:34] <perhapstired> hello
[22:34] <jaekid> should i just delete the maverick files from var/lib/lists
[22:34] <ch33z> hello everyone
[22:35] <marcappuccino> bye everyone
[22:35] <MonkeyDust> jaekid  fresh install is faster, easier and more efficient
[22:35] <ch33z> well, I have a question with my website on my server my friend helped me set it up but, he used the NAT so I have a public and private ip however, everyone can see my website outside but, inside the network I cant so what do i do in order to see it?
[22:35] <jaekid> ok... will that break my php5 install?
[22:36] <jaekid> i'm scared that it's gonna really f my  setup
[22:36] <ch33z> well, I have a question with my website on my server my friend helped me set it up but, he used the NAT so I have a public and private ip however, everyone can see my website outside but, inside the network I cant so what do i do in order to see it?
[22:37] <perhapstired> Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 trying to install bitcoin with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin with which I get command not found. Reading around I assume it's because I don't have python-software-properties installed, but the software centre says it's installed, so what the hell is the problem? If I have to go to /etc/apt/sources.list and add it manually, what exactly do I have to write
[22:37] <perhapstired> in that file?
[22:37] <kroson> Hello, which one is the superior interface, and why? Xfce or LXDE? Thank you!
[22:37] <MonkeyDust> kroson  try both, decide which is superior to the other
[22:38] <ch33z> well, I have a question with my website on my server my friend helped me set it up but, he used the NAT so I have a public and private ip however, everyone can see my website outside but, inside the network I cant so what do i do in order to see it?
[22:38] <MonkeyDust> !repeat| ch33z
[22:41] <MarbleMad_> OK, I admit I rally don't know what i'm doing but to check i have graphics card drivers i get the impression i have to look at "X11/xorg.conf" but i don't appear to have such a config file?
[22:41] <jaekid> so the only suggestion is to completely uninstall php5 and reinstall?
[22:41] <jaekid> i really want to avoid doing that
[22:41] <ch33z> ubottu ive searched non stop
[22:42] <k4r1m> join #gerrit
[22:42] <k4r1m> ..
[22:42] <ch33z> k4r1m?
[22:42] <ch33z> whats that?
[22:42] <jiffe98> whats the best way to disable a service that is setup in /etc/init now?
[22:43] <jiffe98> mysql keeps trying to respawn even though its management is handled through pacemaker now
[22:43] <elvis4526> I'm downloading illegally ubuntu
[22:43] <MonkeyDust> elvis4526  illegaly?
[22:43] <elvis4526> MonkeyDust: Yes... I didn't pay for it...
[22:43] <k4r1m> ch33z, gerrit is a code review tool
[22:44] <k4r1m> ch33z, developed and used by the android project
[22:45] <MonkeyDust> elvis4526  you can always pay *me* if you like
[22:45] <RWOverdijk> It seems that gnome-shell is constantly using 90%+ cpu. Is this normal? I already asked in #gnome but it's quiet there
[22:46] <Basstard`> elvis4526: Ubuntu is gratis, and mostly free, but not entirely.
[22:46] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Does anyone use BURG and know how to install it on 12.04 LTS that dualboots with W7?
[22:46] <keelzebub> MarbleMad_: try 'lspci | grep VGA', and 'sudo lshw -C video'
[22:47] <MonkeyDust> elvis4526  it's free as in in free beer and mostly free as in free speech
[22:47]  * Basstard` throws some monkeydust on MonkeyDust
[22:48] <jaekid> damn i need free beer
[22:48] <jaekid> after i get this curl installed
[22:48] <bekks> apt-get install curl
[22:48] <jaekid> okay, so if i do a complete uninstall of php5 will that potentially break my php installation?
[22:49] <Basstard`> jaekid: There is. Use a search engine and you'll find a site called that with free beer.
[22:49] <jaekid> bekks: doesn't work
[22:49] <jaekid> haha lol
[22:49] <elvis4526> MonkeyDust: OKay, do you have a paypal adress?
[22:49] <bekks> jaekid: Which is an error message unknown to me.
[22:49] <elvis4526> I don't want to go to jail !
[22:49] <jaekid> here's the error:
[22:50] <jaekid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:50] <jaekid>  php5-curl : Depends: phpapi-20090626+lfs
[22:50] <jaekid>              Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.5-1ubuntu7.11) but 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6 is to be installed
[22:50] <jaekid> E: Broken packages
[22:50] <MonkeyDust> elvis4526  jail is to do with chroot, now back ontopic
[22:50] <jaekid> i guess i have duplicate entries but can't seem to find them
[22:50] <bsmith093> im logged in to a remote machine, and running a wget. how do i log out, but leave the wget running
[22:50] <bekks> jaekid: Why do you try to install an old php version?
[22:50] <bekks> bsmith093: No way.
[22:50] <jaekid> all i'm doing is sudo apt-get install php5-curl
[22:50] <^Mike> Why is aptitude unable to find the changelog for any package? For example, here's what I see for htop: http://p.hashbang.ca/Z1
[22:50] <bsmith093> really, it cant be done?
[22:51] <jrib> bsmith093: use screen or tmux
[22:51] <jrib> !screen | bsmith093
[22:51] <bekks> bsmith093: Correct. you have to use screen, etc. before starting wget.
[22:51] <bekks> Once wget is running, there is no way.
[22:52] <jaekid> i commented out all the maverick entries out of sources.list but no help
[22:52] <OerHeks> ^Mike, aptitude is removed and depreciated on 64 bit ubuntu.
[22:52] <bekks> jaekid: So you are mixing different releases?
[22:53] <^Mike> OerHeks: Okay, how can I read the changelog? Also, why does the CPU architecture matter? O_o
[22:53] <jrib> bekks: there is a way, but it's not as convenient (ctrl-z, bg, disown)
[22:53] <NFisher> Hi all! How can i end x session, so i can install new nvidia graphics driver!?
[22:53] <jaekid> i guess so, but can't seem to figure out how to fix it
[22:53] <OerHeks> ^Mike, try apt-changelog
[22:53] <bsmith093> what i meant was , im logged via ssh, to an amaozon ec2 instance, and i have a wget set up to email me when its done, now how can i go back to the regular terminal, so i can turn off this machine im typing with?
[22:54] <Dr_willis> bsmith093,  easy way with screen, or tmux., little harder way, wuth bg/fg/ctrl-z and nohup
[22:54] <OerHeks> !aptitude | ^Mike
[22:54] <ch33z> jaekid shut up please.
[22:54] <jrib> bsmith093: ideally you would use screen or tmux.  But if you already have it running, then you can suspend the process (ctrl-z), put it in the background (bg), and then disown it (disown).  But how did you set it up to e-mail you...?
[22:55] <jrib> ch33z: please be nice
[22:55] <jaekid> vote to kick ch33z for being an idiot
[22:55] <ch33z> jrib he started cursing.
[22:55] <^Mike> OerHeks: Thanks for the info. I don't think this is a multiarch install - or maybe I don't understand what that word means :x
[22:55] <NFisher> Hi all! How can i end x session, so i can install new nvidia graphics driver!?
[22:55] <jrib> ch33z: then you should ask him to stop cursing, not to "shut up" :)
[22:56] <OerHeks> multiarch is ability to run 32 + 64 bit processes, without extra ia32 libs packages
[22:56] <bsmith093> jrib: like this wget  && echo "" | mail -s "wget is done" user@blah.com
[22:56] <blackshirt> jaekid, commented out was not takes a effect until you rerun apt-get update
[22:57] <jrib> bsmith093: you probably won't get e-mailed then (I think)
[22:57] <bsmith093> but i have it running now and i want to logout of the instance, and leave it running so i can turn off this laptop, and i checked yes i will
[22:58] <bsmith093> jrib: but i have it running now and i want to logout of the instance, and leave it running so i can turn off this laptop, and i checked yes i will
[22:58] <jrib> bsmith093: I told you how to do that already.  And I'm saying that if you do suspend it, background it, and then disown it, I don't think you will be e-mailed
[22:59] <jaekid> i updated
[22:59] <jaekid> still same error
[22:59] <^Mike> OerHeks: Did you mean apt-listchanges?
[22:59] <Xgates> does Ubuntu have a developer channel on freenode?
[22:59] <jaekid> i guess the smart dude cheez has the answer...
[22:59] <jrib> Xgates: yes, #ubuntu-devel
[22:59] <Xgates> ahhh missed it by an l hehe
[22:59] <Xgates> thanks
[23:00] <jrib> jaekid: pastebin this "same error"
[23:00] <blackshirt> jaekid, what little short of your error?
[23:01] <IboS> hello
[23:01] <OerHeks> ^Mike, yes, from listchanges package. not sure if that isn't default.
[23:01] <blackshirt> hello ibos
[23:01] <IboS> i want to play game boy advance on ubuntu
[23:01] <IboS> how to do it ?
[23:02] <aswrerthttuw> Hi! I want to convert all the man pages into a pdf... any idea how I can do this?
[23:02] <jaekid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:02] <jaekid>  php5-curl : Depends: phpapi-20090626+lfs
[23:02] <jaekid>              Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.5-1ubuntu7.11) but 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6 is to be installed
[23:02] <jaekid> E: Broken packages
[23:02] <jaekid> when running sudo apt-get install php5-curl
[23:02] <bekks> jaekid: You are mixing different releases of Ubuntu.
[23:03] <jrib> jaekid: this channel isn't a pastebin.  Please use http://paste.ubuntu.com in the future.  Can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy php5-curl phpapi-20090626+lfs php5-common
[23:03] <jaekid> i heard you earlier and commented out the maverick entries from sources.list, updated, same error
[23:03] <jaekid> thx for the help jrib
[23:04] <jaekid> http://pastebin.com/8829W4DU
[23:04] <jaekid> wait, that's old
[23:05] <bekks> jaekid: You are mixing natty and maverick packages?
[23:05] <Dr_willis> aswrerthttuw,  every single man page on the system? Why? ;)
[23:05] <jaekid> i guess so...
[23:05] <aswrerthttuw> Dr_willis: Because I can.
[23:05] <aswrerthttuw> :-)
[23:05] <^Mike> aswrerthttuw: apparently you can't :)
[23:06] <aswrerthttuw> ^Mike: Touche!
[23:06] <jrib> aswrerthttuw: well there's help.ubuntu.com with them in html.  I suppose you could see how that was done.  Worst case scenario, you can convert the html to pdf
[23:06] <bekks> jaekid: Then you have a non supported setup, which most likely will break.
[23:06]  * jrib opens quotes file
[23:06] <Dr_willis> aswrerthttuw,  man pages are made with 'troff/nroff'  and theres tools out to do man to html, or other formats, so  i guess its possible. but i dont see the need.
[23:06] <MarbleMad_> How do i go about adding the drivers for my thinkpadT41 graphics card? They appear to be missing
[23:07] <hmmwhatsthisdo> Does anyone use BURG and know how to install it on a system running 12.04 LTS that dualboots with W7?
[23:07] <keelzebub> MarbleMad_: did you try 'lspci | grep VGA', and 'sudo lshw -C video'?
[23:07] <MarbleMad_> no will do
[23:08] <aswrerthttuw> Dr_willis: Well, I know I can use man -t <page>| ps2pdf -> man.pdf, but that only works for individual pages.
[23:08] <Dr_willis> aswrerthttuw,  you would have to do some scripting if you want to do it for every man page on the system.
[23:08] <jaekid> http://pastebin.com/yG8CpTzw
[23:09] <jaekid> why does it say pinned packages not found? i have them installed and working...
[23:09] <aswrerthttuw> aswrerthttuw: Hmm... how would you get a list of all the man pages available...
[23:09] <aswrerthttuw> Dr_willis: Hmm... how would you get a list of all the man pages available...
[23:10] <jrib> jaekid: this isn't what I asked but if you're on maverick with natty repositories then you have a few issues.  First off, you can't mix repositories like that and expect to not have a broken system.  And second of all, maverick isn't supported anymore
[23:10] <aswrerthttuw> Dr_willis: Because I could script it if I could get that.
[23:10] <jaekid> i'm on natty
[23:10] <Dr_willis> aswrerthttuw,  they are all in individual files  somewhere.. look for like 'ls.1' perhaps. Not on a ubuntu box right now
[23:10] <jaekid> not maverick
[23:10] <jrib> jaekid: then pastebin what I asked
[23:10] <Dr_willis> man pages are divided into (#) catagories. i forget what the #'s mean. ;)
[23:10] <aswrerthttuw> Dr_willis: Right.. thanks!
[23:10] <Dr_willis> been years since i last looked into them
[23:11] <jaekid> how do i get the output of this: php5-curl phpapi-20090626+lfs php5-common
[23:11] <jrib> jaekid:  Can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy php5-curl phpapi-20090626+lfs php5-common
[23:11] <jaekid> how pls?
[23:11] <jrib> jaekid: type it in a terminal
[23:11] <MarbleMad_> keelzebub .. ok tried that got results but i don't really understand them
[23:11] <jaekid> thx man
[23:11] <jaekid> what command
[23:11] <jaekid> ??
[23:11] <jrib> jaekid: everything after the ':'
[23:11] <jaekid> ok
[23:12] <MarbleMad_> VGA compatible controller etc but it's the open GL stuff that's bombing out
[23:13] <jaekid> http://pastebin.com/2fShcbDb
[23:13] <keelzebub> MarbleMad_: after 'lshw -c video',there should be a "driver=" that tells what driver is loaded for your graphics card
[23:14] <jrib> jaekid: why did you paste all this garbage in the middle and half of it in the wrong order... it makes it hard to read
[23:14] <jaekid> sorry my terminal window scrolled up really far and just didn't realize
[23:14] <jaekid> sry
[23:15] <jrib> jaekid: you're pinning things?
[23:15] <MarbleMad_> keelzebub it tels me i have a VGA compatible...nee ATI RV200
[23:16] <jaekid> http://pastebin.com/70BjEjHi
[23:16] <jaekid> i don't even know what pinning is... so i guess maybe inadvertently
[23:18] <keelzebub> MarbleMad_: after 'lshw -c video',there should be a "driver=" that tells what driver is loaded for your graphics card
[23:19] <MarbleMad_> keelzebub there's no 'driver='
[23:19] <jrib> jaekid: I don't see how you can inadvertently pin a package.  Anyway, that's probably the cause of your issues
[23:19] <keelzebub> Hmmm
[23:19] <starbuck33> hi, is anybody using gnupg here? i have a question regarding publishing the keys
[23:19] <jaekid> well i upgraded from maverick to natty a long time ago, maybe that has something to do with it?
[23:20] <jaekid> it was not a fresh install
[23:20] <keelzebub> You're in 12.04, correct? Have you tried searching the plauncher or what-have-you for "Additional Drivers
[23:20] <jrib> jaekid: pastebin your /etc/apt/preferences*
[23:20] <jaekid> how can i unpin them?
[23:20] <OerHeks> jrib pinning is set in /etc/apt/preferences, right?
[23:20] <jaekid> ok
[23:20] <MarbleMad_> keelzebub oh sorry missed it.... driver = radion
[23:20] <jrib> OerHeks: yes
[23:20] <MarbleMad_> radeon
[23:20] <jaekid> you mean the file contents of preferences.d?
[23:21] <blackshirt> i think thats for special cases :d you should do it carefully
[23:21] <jrib> jaekid: if you do not have a /etc/apt/preferences, then what files do you have in /etc/apt/preferences.d/?
[23:21] <MarbleMad_> i'm on 12.04
[23:21] <jaekid> php and php5_2
[23:21] <MarbleMad_> i've not tried that.. again don't really know what that means
[23:22] <jrib> jaekid: pastebin there contents... and where do these files come from
[23:22] <jrib> ?
[23:22] <jaekid> ok
[23:22] <jaekid> not sure man, this is the first time i've even accessed this folder
[23:23] <jrib> jaekid: what's the output of « dpkg -S /etc/apt/preferences.d/php »?
[23:23] <keelzebub> Press the Windows key, and start to type 'Additional Drivers' to see if anything comes up
[23:23] <jaekid> php is empty, php5_2 has http://pastebin.com/6b6DdsLK
[23:23] <steve__> hi
[23:23] <jaekid> let me try that command
[23:24] <jrib> *karmic enters stage left*
[23:24] <keelzebub> You may need to uninstall/reinstall your graphics drivers
[23:24] <MarbleMad_> keelzebub press the what key??
[23:24] <blackshirt> jaekid, apt preferences splitted over files on preferences.d to make more readable and
[23:24] <jaekid> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/apt/preferences.d/php.
[23:24] <jaekid> blackshirt: huh? "splitted over files"
[23:24] <jaekid> ?
[23:24] <MarbleMad_> how do i do that?
[23:25] <jrib> jaekid: just delete those two files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ and run « sudo apt-get update »
[23:25] <keelzebub> Just open the panel in the top left
[23:25] <keelzebub> ignore the "windows key" part of what I said
[23:25] <jaekid> okie
[23:25] <MarbleMad_> ok
[23:26] <jaekid> now update is giving the duplicate entries error when it was not before deleting the two files.
[23:27] <jrib> jaekid: pastebin...
[23:27] <jaekid> http://pastebin.com/bBC0dPpY
[23:27] <jaekid> haha i was
[23:27] <jrib> jaekid: so you must edit your sources and remove the duplicate
[23:27] <jaekid> there is no duplicate in sources.list
[23:27] <chris92> short question, xubuntu told me during the start of the installation, that it didnt find any other installed OS. I'm using 2 hard drives, 1x 400 gb and 1x 1tb - on the terabyte drive there is win8... on which should I install the bootloader?
[23:28] <jrib> jaekid: you have to check /etc/apt/sources.list as well as /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[23:28] <jaekid> oh
[23:28] <jaekid> ok
[23:28] <jaekid> let me ck that
[23:28] <chris92> obviously I want to use the 400gb hard drive to install xubuntu on
[23:28] <blackshirt> chris92, you can choose them one
[23:28] <jaekid> in karmic.list right?
[23:28] <jaekid> there's a bunch of files in there
[23:28] <jrib> jaekid: well they're all used
[23:29] <MarbleMad_> keelzebub so i've opened the panel top,left.. this to uninstall the graphics driver?
[23:29] <sigis> bonsoir tout le monde !
[23:29] <jaekid> oh, so check all the files for duplicate entries?
[23:29] <chris92> blackshirt: when I install it on the 1tb (in the install manager /dev/sdb), can I still boot into win8? thats the main issue
[23:30] <jaekid> wow they seem to have only one line and they are the same entries...
[23:30] <sigis> y a t'il des francais ici ?
[23:30] <jaekid> well, most of them
[23:30] <blackshirt> chris92, yes, i think grub2 can booted win8..but you should ensure them
[23:31] <jaekid> ok, i found these two lines that are the same in sources.list:L
[23:31] <jaekid> deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty main
[23:31] <jaekid> deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty main
[23:31] <keelzebub> search the top panel for 'Additional Drivers'. If an application pops up, you might be able to use it to uninstall/reinstall your graphics drivers
[23:31] <jaekid> that's in karmic.list.save
[23:32] <jaekid> should i just comment those two lines out
[23:32] <sigis> pas de french here ?
[23:32] <blackshirt> chris92, i don't have play bit a more with win8 before ....
[23:33] <chris92> blackshirt: I just installed grub2 on the linux harddrive, guess I have to use my bios bootmanager more often in the future ^^
[23:33] <sigis> chris92 ?
[23:33] <chris92> sigis?
[23:33] <sigis> french girl ?
[23:33] <sigis> lol
[23:33] <chris92> !fr | sigis
[23:33] <chris92> nah, german adult ;)
[23:33] <jrib> jaekid: sure
[23:34] <sigis> ok a touti chris92
[23:34] <blackshirt> chris92, i think grub2 was capable booting your windows :d
[23:34] <jaekid> did that... http://pastebin.com/P7q0q67H
[23:34] <chris92> well, if needed I can re-install again with grub on the right harddrive :)
[23:34] <jaekid> updated too
[23:35] <blackshirt> chris92,sure,exactly
[23:35] <chris92> blackshirt: also 12.10 will be released soon, i'll probably do a clean install once thats out
[23:36] <blackshirt> chris92, thats your free choices :d
[23:37] <chris92> blackshirt: I know :P hmm. is it normal, that the install manager takes quite some time after I chose my username and pw? o.O
[23:37] <jaekid> in sources.list I have this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-updates main restricted
[23:37] <jaekid> oops, scratch thta
[23:37] <jaekid> in karmic.list.save i have that line above: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-updates main restricted
[23:38] <blackshirt> chris92, yes, thats very common....they do some installation step and copying a lot of files to your hd
[23:38] <jaekid> in sources.list i have this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-updates main restricted
[23:38] <MarbleMad> keelzebub soz got disconnected there.. ok I'm told i have no additional.proprietry drivers.
[23:38] <xangua> jaekid: neither karmir or jaunty are supported
[23:38] <jaekid> should i comment that out in karmic
[23:38] <chris92> blackshirt: ahh I worried a little there :D now it shows the "Congratulations!" screen =) seems good!
[23:40] <chris92> blackshirt: is it possible to edit the grub entries once its installed?
[23:41] <jaekid> ok, got it to install!
[23:41] <keelzebub> Unfortunately, I may have reached the limit of my ability to help, sorry
[23:41] <blackshirt> chris92,yes, you can edit them
[23:42] <jaekid> the duplicate was in sources.list.save
[23:42] <jaekid> easy as that
[23:42] <jaekid> man i wish i knew that an hour ago
[23:44] <bonhoeffer> anyone know how to make a window take up half the screen vertically
[23:44] <jaekid> wow i'm so happy now that it's fixed, and ch33z -- FUCK YOU BUDDY!
[23:45] <OerHeks> bonhoeffer, this askubuntu answer gives control over any app you want to set > http://askubuntu.com/questions/107951/how-to-set-a-specific-window-size-for-all-windows-that-open-to-default
[23:45] <jrib> ...
[23:47] <MarbleMad> keelzebub ok no prob. Thanks for getting me this far.
[23:47] <chris92> what is the difference between nvidia (version current) and nvidia (post-release updates) in terms of drivers?
[23:47] <MarbleMad> the old ones work
[23:48] <wutang> lol
[23:48] <wutang> lol
[23:48] <wutang> @chris92 the old ones work, the new ones don't
[23:54] <chris92> one last question, is it possible to change the computer name somehow? think I named it wrong during the install
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