[00:28] <studio-user785> hey
[00:28] <studio-user785> its me
[00:28] <studio-user785> studio_user785
[00:31] <studio-user785> is unity too much of a hog? thats why you dont use it?
[00:32] <studio-user785> ill see if there is a huge difference
[01:21] <holstein> studio-user797: we just went with XFCE for the work flow mainly
[01:21] <holstein> if you like unity, use it :)
[01:23] <holstein> all of the studio stuff will work fine in any DE
[13:41] <JStoe> hi im using ubuntu studio
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Hi JStoe
[13:42] <JStoe> hi its me floatinggoat if you remebmer me
[13:42] <smartboyhw> JStoe, No:P
[13:42] <JStoe> oh i remember you
[13:42] <smartboyhw> JStoe, oh alright:P
[13:43] <JStoe> im using kupfer to suite the lack of unity but otherwise its pretty good as my main OS
[13:43] <holstein> i like kupfer
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Ah the use-unity-to-replace-xfce right?
[13:43] <JStoe> no im using xfce
[13:44] <JStoe> I always end up liking xfce even though im a fan of unity
[13:44] <holstein> i was reading about another one... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/synapse-gnome-do-launcher-app-review-ubuntu
[13:44] <holstein> yeah, unity is fine ... the launcher is slow, but it works great
[13:44] <holstein> i dont think i'll ever use it full time though
[13:44] <JStoe> holstein, i like kupfer too, i really like how it can even open web pages.
[13:44] <holstein> i like openbox with some add-ons like kupfer
[13:44]  * smartboyhw likes xfce more then unity
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Especially after they added shopping lens to it:P
[13:45] <holstein> shopping lens is new
[13:45] <holstein> could work fine.. we'll see
[13:45]  * smartboyhw uses all updated version of 12.10:P
[13:46] <holstein> nice.. i think i will soon on my machine with the nvidia ion
[13:46] <smartboyhw> holstein, :)
[13:46] <holstein> otherwise, i still using 10.04 on my studio rig
[13:47] <smartboyhw> holstein, wow still using 10.04? Just upgrade to Studio 12.04 LTS can't you:P
[13:47] <holstein> smartboyhw: not withtou extensive hardware/software testing
[13:48] <holstein> smartboyhw: i make money with that rig
[13:48] <smartboyhw> holstein, OK:P
[13:48] <holstein> right now, it works fine.. though i will upgrade when i get time to make the switch
[13:49] <smartboyhw> holstein, good
[13:49] <holstein> maybe i just wait for 14.04 ;)
[13:50] <smartboyhw> holstein, wow:P
[13:51] <holstein> i'll still test all then inbetween versions anyway
[13:51] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:07] <JStoe> I like how xfce lets me run jack in realtime with no noticable lag/flickering
[14:07] <smartboyhw> JStoe, :)
[14:08] <holstein> JStoe: you dont find that the case with unity?
[14:08] <holstein> it really shouldnt matter all that much what DE you use...
[14:08] <JStoe> holstein, yeah idk if it was unity or my kernel
[14:08] <JStoe> cause i was using regular ubuntu of course
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Should be kernel:P
[14:08] <JStoe> with tha regular kernel
[14:09] <smartboyhw> JStoe, normal Ubuntu uses -generic kernel, we use -lowlatenchy kernel
[14:09] <JStoe> but id expect running jack like that would be tough ont eh cpu
[14:09] <JStoe> and unity isnt exactly light
[14:09] <JStoe> smartboyhw, I use that now
[14:09] <holstein> i would test with unity and xfce installed on the same hardware.. the same installation
[14:09] <smartboyhw> JStoe, so it matters about the kernel...
[14:10]  * smartboyhw has unity, kde and xfce installed
[14:10] <holstein> i would boot the *same* kernel.. and only change the DE and test
[14:10] <holstein> the results should be quite similar
[14:11] <JStoe> alright
[14:11] <JStoe> hmm idk if i would switch back then
[14:11] <JStoe> I do like how unity saves on screen real estate
[14:12] <holstein> JStoe: should?
[14:12] <holstein> JStoe: you can have both installe at the same time
[14:12] <JStoe> I know
[14:12] <holstein> JStoe: you *should* use what you like
[14:13] <JStoe> then again im on a 12GB partition becaues im lazy
[14:13] <holstein> we chose XFCE for a reason.. but uniyt should work fine
[14:13] <JStoe> what reason is that
[14:13] <holstein> JStoe: mostly work flow
[14:13] <JStoe> it has better work flow?
[14:14] <holstein> we feel its the most like gnome2 was
[14:14] <JStoe> does it have better tiling or something?
[14:14] <holstein> "better" is a matter of opiion
[14:14] <holstein> opinion*
[14:14] <JStoe> how do i tile
[14:14] <holstein> we also really like the xubuntu team
[14:14] <holstein> JStoe: i would use a tiling manager.. something like awesome
[14:14] <JStoe> oh xfce doesnt tile?
[14:15] <holstein> JStoe: all this stuff is open.. it'll all do whatever you have the patience to make it do
[14:15] <holstein> JStoe: i usually go to specific tools for the job
[14:15] <holstein> awesome is a tiling manager.. xfce is not
[14:16] <holstein> does that mean you cant make XFCE tile?.. i know you can.. but how easy? and at what cost?
[14:16] <Madz> hi can helo to set up connection for internet, i have connected to wi-fi but i can't access to internet?
[14:16] <holstein> and why when there are tiling managers... plus, thats not what xfce is "expecting" you to do with it
[14:16] <holstein> Madz: you can ping the gateway?
[14:17] <Madz> no
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Madz: Maybe your router lost connection, I sometimes had that problem too
[14:17] <holstein> http://notanothersheep.com/XFCE4WindowTiling
[14:17] <holstein> Madz: if you cant ping the gateway, then you are *not* connected
[14:18] <holstein> Madz: i would reconnect.. sometimes, as they say on "the IT crowd".. you can trun it all off and back on again
[14:18] <holstein> turn*
[14:18] <holstein> http://notanothersheep.com/XFCE4WindowTiling was for you JStoe
[14:18]  * smartboyhw does what holstein says if he lose connection
[14:18] <holstein> Madz: i would see that *any* computer can connect and ping the gateway, and then something like google.com
[14:19] <holstein> Madz: i would check the config of the router
[14:19] <Madz> oh ok i'll try,, thanks
[14:20] <holstein> Madz: also, not that im kicking you out of here.. but if its slow here, try #ubntu and/or #xubuntu
[14:22] <Madz> do you have link to slove my problem?
[14:23] <holstein> Madz: im not sure either of us know what your problem is right now
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Madz: What link? Website or channel?
[14:23] <holstein> i have suggestions for trying to discover your issue
[14:23] <holstein> trying pinging the gateway and google.com from another wireless device on the network
[14:24] <holstein> trying pinging the gateway and google.com from the device with the "issue"
[14:24] <Madz> ok,,
[14:24] <holstein> Madz: i would try getting close to the router.. sometimes i have seen a broadcom chip show connected, but not be actually "connected"
[14:25] <holstein> if i had other routers around (which i do) i would turn one on without encryption and connect to the open wifi point and ping the gateway
[14:31] <Madz> ok,, i try now,, because now i use windows, i change to ubuntu,, see ya...
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Bye Madz
[14:41] <drupin> hi there smartboyhw
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Hi drupin
[14:42] <drupin> how ya holstein
[14:42] <drupin> this hydrogen is a kool tool
[15:08] <holstein> drupin: its a great tool... check out Stuzz in #opensourcemusicians ...hes the H2 master :)
[19:35] <briamini_> Where is a log of all crashes kept at?
[19:35] <briamini_> I have a program that from face value looks to crash randomly, but I'm sure their has to be a reason.
[20:40] <ubuntu-studio> hello, I'm testing ubuntu-studio with m-audio fast track pro , i have problems always to obtain microphone input. any help on how to solve this problem?? I know it is possible to have this card work "out of box", because i made it works some times ago,  anyway it's not so yet.
[20:40] <ubuntu-studio> ubuntu-studio quantal beta 2... to be pricise.
[20:44] <ubuntu-studio> I have tested this card on many linux-distro, but it doesn't work out of box. i'd like to have a link to information on how to make this card work for the moment. The problem is the input of microphone