[00:01] <recon_lap> dont know where you buy your electronics but stop shopping there
[00:06] <xubuntu369> ok.. ;)
[00:11] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: there is the  Qualcomm MSM6275 UMTS card, I think thats the one with the 3g
[00:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu369: found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305792
[00:14] <xubuntu369> thxs, checking that right away =)
[00:15] <xubuntu369> oh.. you think the chip is not supported?
[00:49] <PhantomXu> Hello, hello, just installed Xubuntu on my HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop, and cannot gain access to the WLAN radio, it tells me firmware is missing, and I'm not finding anything in the restricted drivers menu, any ideas what could be up?
[00:50] <PhantomXu> It says there are no proprietary drivers in use, but I can't get the WLAN to enable
[00:54] <PhantomXu> Nevermind, found the fix
[01:24] <krawler> G'day. If anyone is about, are they able to tell me the best way to add a second sudoer account to xubuntu? In Ubuntu I just add the user to the 'admin' group, but this doesnt exist in xubuntu.
[01:24] <holstein> krawler: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[01:25] <krawler> Is there a reason that the admin group doesnt exist on my xubuntu install, that did on my ubuntu install? Both were fresh installs :\
[01:25] <holstein> http://benaiah41.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/37/
[01:25] <holstein> sudo adduser username admin
[01:25] <holstein> krawler: let me know if theres an error running that command
[01:26] <krawler> $ sudo adduser test1 admin  -->  adduser: The group `admin' does not exist.
[01:27] <krawler> I can just add it as a group (which is already in visudo as an entry %admin), I just thought there might be a "best" way that was different
[01:28] <holstein> krawler: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/893842
[01:29] <recon_lap> think admin is reserved for something in ubuntu
[01:30] <holstein> yeah.. admin.. not sure why its depricated some places and not others
[01:31] <holstein> unless the xubuntu is a newer version that ubuntu was in the above case
[01:32] <strtok> wow, xfce4-terminal scrolling some stuff is causing my Xorg process to go 100% CPU (12.04)
[01:32] <krawler> It was Ubuntu 12.04 and xubuntu 12.04(.1?). The admin group existed before, but if its moved to sudo then thats cool I'll just add them to sudo group
[01:33] <holstein> krawler: thats what is being suggested, and i havent needed to fool about there in a while... and that does explain your findings
[01:34] <krawler> Adding the user to sudo allows them to perform sudo commands, so looks good.
[01:35] <krawler> fwiw both %admin and %sudo exist in /etc/sudoers
[01:35] <krawler> Thanks for the help :)
[05:21] <xubuntu186> pretty shocking that xubuntu 10.04 works on a 133 Mhz Via EPIA system with only 512MB ram. The kids will enjoy their new study room computer.
[05:21] <Unit193> 0_o
[05:22] <well_laid_lawn> wasn't that long ago that 512MB of ram was plenty for any os
[05:23] <Unit193> I'd have said try Lubuntu with that. :P   Additionally, 10.04 is going EOL soon.
[05:24] <xubuntu186> well_laid_lawn: true. I guess its better than a pdp-11
[05:24] <xubuntu186> Unit193: what's the implications of endolife
[05:24] <well_laid_lawn> I'll take your word on that
[05:24] <Unit193> !eol
[05:27] <xubuntu186> hmm I guess I am going to have to recompile the kernel, because the default kernel isn't supported by my hardware. I tried upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 lts to 12.04 and got a kernel error
[05:27] <xubuntu186> that will REALLY STINK on a 133 processor, but I guess it gives me an excuse to play with the rugrats
[05:27] <Unit193> PAE, right.  They are dropping the generic after, but you can upgrade from 10.04 ot 12.04 and keep generic.
[05:29] <xubuntu186>  /msg ubottu !eol
[05:30] <xubuntu186> oops
[07:24] <Guest21570> have problem with sound... any one help me
[07:26] <torax> what kind of problem
[07:28] <Guest21570> sometimes show me dummy card ...? works application plays sound but nothing come out
[07:28] <Mathsterk> maybe the driver(s) is missing
[07:29] <Guest21570> what can i do
[07:30] <torax> what sound card you have?
[07:31] <Guest21570> c-media
[07:33] <Guest21570> configuration show me no card
[07:34] <v1adimir> maybe you can just disable it from there and logout: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09282012-093401am.php
[07:34] <v1adimir> err if there's more than 1
[07:35] <Guest21570> i disable onboard there is only one card
[07:39] <v1adimir> isn't onboard c-media?.. the two that are showing in the screenshot is my video adapater
[07:39] <Guest21570> onboard is ac97 i disable in bios
[07:40] <Guest21570> i star with c-media
[07:40] <Guest21570> they show me dummy output  know what it mean
[07:47] <cousteau> how do I change the plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo to plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text?  dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:49] <cousteau> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth -> There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth
[07:50] <cousteau> weird...  I also have  plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text  installed
[07:51] <cousteau> is changing /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth manually a good idea?
[09:23] <Zeiva> Hi, we've installed xubuntu on a older machine and we cant get flash to work in any browser (even when its installed from the appstore-thingy). Chromium says it cant load the plugins and firefox just shows a white box where the youtube player should be. (though it appears flash is running if I check with taskmanager)
[09:24] <Zeiva> Anyone want to take a stab at whats causing that? The machine uses almost eqlusively SIS chipsets and graphics but changing to an Nvidia card and official drivers did not help
[09:24] <Zeiva> Its the 32bit 12.04 release and all updates installed
[09:27] <xubuntu2> any one know why xubuntu would run super slow on a compaq evo n610c but not have problems with kubuntu?
[09:30] <baizon> xubuntu2: check what causes this "slowness"
[09:31] <xubuntu2> i havent a clue. i decided to switch a friends comp over from kubuntu to xubuntu rather than updateing. i told him oh no dont worry it'll run better. its meant for old computers
[09:33] <xubuntu2> not the case. it runs terrible. takes forever to boot. its slow, theres mouse lag when its thinking about even the smallest of things, it cant handle flash any more, the animation is choppy and games are unplayable
[09:34] <baizon> well it cant the fault of xfce
[09:34] <baizon> i got a netbook and it runs very smooth
[09:35] <xubuntu2> i thought it would make things better. my laptop runs way faster than it ever has since i put xubuntu on it
[09:35] <Zeiva> xubuntu2: When you say it cant handle flash, do you mean it does not run at all or that flash runs slowly?
[09:35] <xubuntu2> slow / chopppy
[09:35] <Zeiva> Ok, not the same issue as I have then
[09:36] <xubuntu2> it used to play farmville and castleville no sweat b4
[09:37] <xubuntu2> now i just tested it out on a lame small disney game and the clock ran out b4 it even finished cacheing
[09:38] <xubuntu2> by the time it was fully loaded into memory and i could move the character two steps it was game over
[09:41] <xubuntu2> right now im letting it run its updates hopefully that fixes it. but im at a loss as to how it could be even possible that kde runs better than xfce on a 2GHz w/ 768 MB SDRAM
[09:51] <baizon> is it possible to add a notification for the xfce-mailwatch-plugin?
[10:10] <baizon> ok then other question... xfce4-mailwatch, whats the cli command to use it?
[10:38] <ominous> привет
[10:38] <knome> ominous, english please :)
[10:39] <baizon> !ru | ominous
[12:31] <xubuntu743> hi!
[12:31] <knome> hello
[12:31] <xubuntu743> I have a problem with my pc and xubuntu:(
[12:32] <xubuntu743> is here the right place to talk about it?
[12:32] <TheSheep> yes
[12:33] <TheSheep> but you have to ask a question, provide more detail about your problem
[12:33] <xubuntu743> ok, thank you.
[12:33] <xubuntu743> my pc is an old PentiumIII
[12:33] <xubuntu743> 512 Mb RAM
[12:33] <TheSheep> then if someone knows the answer, they will answer
[12:34] <xubuntu743> after some troubles with Winz i'm tring to install lubuntu 12.04,1
[12:35] <xubuntu743> but PC can't boot by 12.04.1 CD LIVE
[12:37] <xubuntu743> now i'm tring to install Xubuntu 10.04 and PC stops after lenguage chosen
[12:37] <xubuntu743> What have i to do?
[12:37] <xubuntu743> RAM is ok, CDdrive is ok, HD is ok
[12:39] <xubuntu743> should i install an older version of Xubuntu?
[12:47] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: whats the computer make and model?
[12:49] <killbillkill> maybe try  alternate install...
[12:55] <xubuntu743> i tring alternate
[12:56] <xubuntu743> the pc is a assembled hard top
[12:57] <xubuntu743> the pc is a assembled desktop
[13:00] <xubuntu743> installation stops after language chosen
[13:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: what the graphics card?
[13:00] <xubuntu743> i have to open, 1 moment
[13:01] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: while you have it open might as well see what the mother board is as well
[13:01] <xubuntu743> ok
[13:02] <erkan^> why isn't LibreOffice standard on Xubuntu, and AbiWord and Gunermic well?
[13:04] <TheSheep> erkan^: because xubuntu has chosen lighter alternatives
[13:05] <erkan^> ah, i see that LO works quick on Xubuntu after I have installed this by Software Centrum, TheDrums
[13:05] <TheSheep> yes, you can install any ubuntu software
[13:06] <erkan^> right (-:
[13:07] <xubuntu743> video board is a Matrox
[13:07] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: no numbers on it?
[13:08] <xubuntu743> graphic card is a Matrox MT05090
[13:09] <xubuntu743> On Matrox is written: G45 + MGHA 16DLE
[13:11] <xubuntu743> G45 + MDHA 16DLE, sorry
[13:12] <GridCube> xubuntu743, are you using the alternate or the desktop iso?
[13:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: this a brand new custom PC ?
[13:13] <FloatingGoat> is there anyway in xfce to make the top bar sorta dissapear and hug the panel in xfce? :\
[13:13] <xubuntu743> i tried with latest ISO release Lubuntu 12.04.1
[13:13] <GridCube> hug?
[13:13] <FloatingGoat> like it does in unity
[13:13] <GridCube> there was a way back a years aog
[13:13] <xubuntu743> sorry, no: PC is an old one
[13:13] <GridCube> s/aog/ago/
[13:14] <GridCube> dont know if such works now
[13:14] <recon_lap> ok, was having a hard time finding info on that graphics card
[13:15] <xubuntu743> assembled one, works with Winz XP, but only in REcovery mode
[13:15] <FloatingGoat> that stinks
[13:15] <xubuntu743> before, this machine has been always worked
[13:15] <GridCube> FloatingGoat, opinions
[13:16] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: is PC a rescue job, or was it working last week?
[13:16] <FloatingGoat> xfce is great but it lacks when it comes to screen real estate
[13:16] <FloatingGoat> firefox eats my space up.
[13:16] <GridCube> disable the menubar
[13:16] <xubuntu743> It is a PC rescue job, my friend
[13:17] <xubuntu743> but before this problem PC has been worked
[13:17] <FloatingGoat> can xfce have a global menu?
[13:17] <FloatingGoat> that would probably help
[13:17] <FloatingGoat> ill check
[13:18] <GridCube> FloatingGoat, as i said earlier, global-menu integration doesnt work anymore
[13:18] <FloatingGoat> oh
[13:18] <GridCube> you are welcome to take the project and mantain it if you wish
[13:19] <xubuntu743> now i'm tring to install Xubuntu 9, and it's arrived splash screen for language...
[13:19] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: I'd suggest trying the alt install. might get you up and running. I'm having a look about for info
[13:19] <GridCube> xubuntu743, 9?
[13:19] <FloatingGoat> im quite liking this quiteee
[13:19] <GridCube> D:
[13:19] <GridCube> xubuntu743, use the alternate iso
[13:20] <GridCube> dont use xubuntu 9 you wont get any support for it
[13:20] <xubuntu743> GridCube: yes... 9.xx
[13:20] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: just go with 12.04
[13:20] <GridCube> xubuntu743, dont use such old version
[13:21] <xubuntu743> 12.04.1 with ALT install... that is Alternate CD LIVE?
[13:21] <GridCube> si
[13:21] <xubuntu743> I tried (not installed) 12.04 but it doewsn't work!!!
[13:22] <GridCube> try the alternate version
[13:22] <xubuntu743> ALTERNATE version doesn't work...
[13:22] <GridCube> why not?
[13:23] <GridCube> how does it fail?
[13:23] <xubuntu743> after a while it stops... no signal
[13:23] <xubuntu743> no messages
[13:24] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: what happen when you boot to live session and dont install?
[13:25] <xubuntu743> with ALT CD it can't boot, Aborts. Then ask me "boot:"
[13:25] <xubuntu743> what's meaning???
[13:25] <xubuntu743> and if i install an older version of xubuntu and upgrade further?
[13:25] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: meaning that you problem is low level hardware
[13:26] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: or bad install media
[13:26] <xubuntu743> recon_lap: mhh! ok, but CD is ok, drive is ok, HD is ok,
[13:26] <xubuntu743> i suppose motherboard is ok...
[13:26] <GridCube> xubuntu743, check that the integryto of the cd is ok compared to the md5 checksum of the iso
[13:26] <GridCube> !md5
[13:26] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: does the motherboard have on board vedio?
[13:27] <recon_lap> Video*
[13:27] <xubuntu743> are you asking me if mother board has the graphic card separated?
[13:27] <GridCube> yes
[13:28] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: you can tell by looking at the back and seeing if the MB has a VGA port
[13:29] <recon_lap> but this not going to cause a boot: prompt, are you sure you created the CD correctly?
[13:29] <xubuntu743> i can't understand. My Matrox graphic card has 2 VGA ports
[13:30] <xubuntu743> nether Xubuntu 9.10 works
[13:30] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: can you describe how you created the boot CD?
[13:30] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: are you even using a CD?
[13:33] <xubuntu743> downloading ISO from _UBUNTU.org and writing CDs, but all with another pc in different times
[13:33] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: and did you burn the iso as a disk image?
[13:34] <xubuntu743> only last one.
[13:34] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: like if you open the CD on the other computer do you see lots of files?
[13:35] <xubuntu743> i'll be back soon
[13:36] <DarkAmethyst> Hi
[13:36] <recon_lap> o/ DarkAmethyst
[13:37] <DarkAmethyst> o/?
[13:37] <recon_lap> waving :)
[13:37] <DarkAmethyst> ahh =)
[13:38] <DarkAmethyst> I can't seem to find the system requirement for Xubuntu
[13:38] <recon_lap> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[13:39] <DarkAmethyst> thanks =)
[13:39] <DarkAmethyst> yay, my desktop should be able to run it =D
[13:39] <recon_lap> DarkAmethyst: they pretty minimum , do you have 256mb of memory
[13:40] <DarkAmethyst> my desktop has I think 312mb
[13:40] <GridCube> (256 is recomended anymore)
[13:41] <DarkAmethyst> My desktop has 320mb
[13:41] <GridCube> :)
[13:41] <DarkAmethyst> It's pretty old, I'm looking for an OS to replace XP on it
[13:41] <GridCube> you will be probably smooter using lubuntu
[13:42] <recon_lap> DarkAmethyst: seriously ? thats more than old
[13:42] <DarkAmethyst> =P
[13:42] <DarkAmethyst> 12Gb HDD, 320mb memory, 633Mhz CPU
[13:43] <DarkAmethyst> and an S3 ProSavage
[13:43] <DarkAmethyst> I recently got a wireless card for it but it turns out XP without service packs lacks support for my router ¬_¬
[13:43] <recon_lap> DarkAmethyst: laptop i take it
[13:44] <DarkAmethyst> Nope
[13:44] <DarkAmethyst> My laptop is much faster =)
[13:44] <DarkAmethyst> It's my very old desktop, an HP Brio
[13:44] <recon_lap> I'd take a punt on the recycling center at m ylocal dump, probably find something better for free :)
[13:45] <DarkAmethyst> I don't know where the local dump is XD
[13:45] <DarkAmethyst> And it has sentimental value to me
[13:47] <DarkAmethyst> Xuxbuntu seems to be working very smoothly in VirtualBox
[13:47] <DarkAmethyst> under the same resources as my desktop
[13:47] <recon_lap> wonders what happened xubuntu743, seem like a awe full long time to look to see if his CD has any files
[13:50] <xubuntu743> i'm back
[13:51] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: great, so where the a group of files and folders on the CD ?
[13:52] <xubuntu743> recon_lap: my CD ALT vers. of Ubuntu 12.04.1 a ISO (image) burning
[13:52] <xubuntu743> in are files and folders
[13:52] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: and by burning you mean burning a disk image to cd?
[13:53] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: ok, have you checked the boot order in the BIOS of the computer you'r setting up?
[13:53] <xubuntu743> yes, with Xfburn: burn an Image file
[13:53] <xubuntu743> the boot order works fine
[13:55] <xubuntu743> i tried 3 CDs live... none works... and with 12.04.1 ISO burning no boot.
[13:56] <recon_lap> ok, you got a CD to try boot with?
[13:56] <olbi> is there possible to change digital vibrance on intel GPU HD2000 from Core i5-2400?
[13:56] <xubuntu743> recon_lap
[13:56] <GridCube> xubuntu743, does your computer supports booting from usb drives?
[13:57] <GridCube> olbi, vibrance?
[13:57] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: does the CD work in the computer your setting up? and can it read the CD type you are using?
[13:57] <recon_lap> CD Drive*
[13:57] <DarkAmethyst> I've gtg, bye.
[13:58] <xubuntu743>  Karspersky rescue disks works, it says:
[13:58] <recon_lap> GridCube: good call :) did not think of that
[13:58] <xubuntu743>  Karspersky rescue disks works, it says: hw info:
[13:59] <holstein> xubuntu743: have you verified one of the live CD's?
[13:59] <xubuntu743> ...working... it's loading everything well
[13:59] <olbi> in nVidia Settings, there is monitor options -> Controls and Digital Vibrance :)
[13:59] <olbi> how I could do that under Intel GPU
[13:59] <xubuntu743> hw abst daemon...
[14:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: did you burn the Karspersky CD yourself? on the same type of disk as the xubuntu CD?
[14:00] <xubuntu743>  Karspersky rescue disks says: hw info:
[14:00] <holstein> xubuntu743: i would "check installer disk integrity"
[14:00] <xubuntu743> karspersky Rdisk i burn myself!!
[14:01] <xubuntu743> karspersky Rdisk i've burn myself!!
[14:01] <holstein> xubuntu743: something is causing the xubuntu iso's you burn to not work.. they *do* work... have you verified the live CDs?
[14:02] <xubuntu743> I did not verify Cds
[14:02] <xubuntu743> PC info: Host bridge VIA Tech. Inc. Apollo PRO133x
[14:02] <holstein> xubuntu743: i like that step.. it checks several things at ones.. the donwloaded image, the burn, and the actual CD
[14:03] <holstein> xubuntu743: via hardware can be tricky.. how is it "failing" ?
[14:03] <xubuntu743> PC info: PCI bridge VIA Tech. Inc. Apollo MVP3/Pro 133x AGP
[14:03] <recon_lap> holstein: he was getting a Boot: prompt
[14:03] <holstein> i would do "nomodeset"... actually, i would just use whatever options there it takes
[14:04] <holstein> xubuntu743: tapping shift while the live CD is booting should show the menu.. down at the bottom of that menu.. F6 "nomodset"
[14:04] <xubuntu743> holstein: what's failing?
[14:04] <holstein> try to get to the live desktop from there.. i would *not* install from there yet
[14:04] <holstein> xubuntu743: you see my post abover about "nomodeset"?
[14:05] <holstein> xubuntu743: safe graphics mode... you can also install with an alternate iso and use a custom xorg.conf to specify the vesa driver
[14:06] <xubuntu743> holstein: so you'r suggesting to boot in text mode and install the right graphic card driver?
[14:07] <holstein> xubuntu743: im suggesting that there is not a "right" grahpics driver.. im suggesting you try the ilve CD with "nomodeset"..
[14:12] <xubuntu743> i'm tring
[14:14] <apm1> how do i disable the synchronized vertical refresh rate of my intel gpu and use the full potential of the gpu ?
[14:14] <apm1> right now i am getting 50 fps on glxgears what do i do ?
[14:17] <xubuntu743> shift is not necessary, but with Xubuntu 9.10 in F6 menu <acpi=off/noapic/nolapic/edd=on/nodmraid/only freeware>
[14:19] <xubuntu743> holstein: Lubuntu 12 doesn't work (only 512Mb RAM?) Xubuntu 9.10 in F6 menu <acpi=off/noapic/nolapic/edd=on/nodmraid/only freeware>
[14:19] <holstein> xubuntu743: 9.10?.. 9.10 is EOL
[14:20] <xubuntu743> ok, but it works
[14:20] <holstein> xubuntu743: 12.04 should work fine with 512 ram
[14:20] <xubuntu743> less then 512
[14:21] <holstein> xubuntu743: i would just try them til i get a live desktop.. at that point i would try to install.. if it doesnt work, i would think about using an alternate CD, or "moving on"
[14:30] <GridCube> xubuntu743, you could try your aproach though, and try to update 9.10 to 10.04 and then to 12.04
[14:30] <GridCube> that "might", maybe, work
[14:30] <xubuntu743> ok, i'm tring apic=off ALT CD live boot 9.10
[14:31] <xubuntu743> till now everything is the same, booting.
[14:37] <xubuntu743> still booting
[14:39] <recon_lap> xubuntu743: it anything happening though? is DVD light flashing, HDD light ?
[14:44] <xubuntu743> now booting has stopped!
[14:45] <xubuntu743> drives' lights had turned off for a while
[14:45] <GridCube> xubuntu743, press alt-f4 on that machine and see if that sends you to the tty4
[14:45] <GridCube> that should show you whats going on
[14:46] <apm1> how do i disable sync to vblank on xubuntu ?
[14:46] <xubuntu743> alt-f4, when press alt-F4?
[14:46] <GridCube> it might be decompressing something and its taking its time
[14:46] <GridCube> xubuntu743, now that you have it "stoped"
[14:46] <GridCube> you can press ctrl-alt-f4 aswell
[14:46] <GridCube> its the same
[14:46] <apm1> ?
[14:46] <xubuntu743> no decompressing. because the animated icon of mouse has stopped!
[14:47] <GridCube> o: you got that far?
[14:47] <xubuntu743> ALt-f4, i'll remember it... thanks
[14:47] <xubuntu743> i'm tring acpi=off and noapic boot
[14:47] <GridCube> xubuntu743, you might "need" to use alternate
[14:47] <apm1> can anyone tell me how do i turnoff sync to vblank on my gpu ?
[14:48] <apm1> it's an intel gma
[14:48] <GridCube> !patience | apm1
[14:48] <apm1> ok sorry guys
[14:48] <GridCube> :) np
[14:55] <Artemis3> apm1, i wish to know how to turn it on, tearing is evil ;) i could guess its a simple option in xorg.conf, generating one is the challenge.
[14:56] <apm1> gotta restart X.org BRB
[15:01] <GridCube> Artemis3, not really, just go to a tty do sudo service lightdm stop && sudo Xorg --configure && sudo service lightdm restart
[15:06] <xubuntu743> no boot! Stops.
[15:06] <xubuntu743> Alt+F4, no response
[15:07] <xubuntu743> i will HW restart
[15:08] <Artemis3> xubuntu743, you should get a newer image, 9.10? too old :P
[15:08] <xubuntu743> acpi=off, noapic, nolapic
[15:08] <xubuntu743> i will try
[15:08] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | xubuntu743
[15:09] <Artemis3> xubuntu743, xubuntu 12.04 perhaps?
[15:11] <holstein> xubuntu743: i would be using 12.04.. if you want/need an older version, use 10.04, not 9.10
[15:12] <xubuntu743> ... ok
[15:22] <xubuntu743> now it stops again (ALT F4 no response) (CTR ALT CAMC no response)
[15:23] <A_nix_fan> hello, why does the wallapapers only change every time i log in or reboot etc ?
[15:23] <xubuntu743> cd drive eject button no response
[15:24] <xubuntu743> if i try a newer version of xubuntu (12.04) : "aborted I boot:"
[15:25] <xubuntu743> what i have to do?
[15:25] <A_nix_fan> i'm on 12.04
[15:26] <xubuntu743> holstein: what does it mean with "boot:"
[15:28] <holstein> xubuntu743: it, being, the xubuntu 12.04.1 live CD?
[15:28] <holstein> xubuntu743: i woudnt expect any "response" from the hardware if the kernel panics or whatever due to ta driver issue
[15:29] <holstein> what i typically do is unplug the hard drive, if possible, and just troubleshoot and test til i get a live CD to boot
[15:30] <designbybeck_> greetings all on this fine fine Friday
[15:30] <xubuntu743> holstein: with Xubuntu 10: nomodeset on and every other F6 option off?
[15:30] <recon_lap> holstein: fyi that machine only has 320mb of ram
[15:30] <designbybeck_> fine Friday for killin' zombies
[15:30] <designbybeck_> ...so really how do I kill a zombie process? top kill doesn'tdo it
[15:30] <holstein> xubuntu743: xubuntu 10.04?
[15:31] <xubuntu743> 10.04.2
[15:31] <xubuntu743> holstein: 10.04.2
[15:31] <holstein> i would expect to be able to get to a live deskop eventually... you are doing the nomodeset option xubuntu743 ?
[15:31] <designbybeck_> can you kill a zombie process without restarting?
[15:32] <holstein> designbybeck_: i usualy run ps aux | grep "whatever" and kill it by PID
[15:32] <designbybeck_> isn't that what top does?
[15:32] <designbybeck_> if you press k and then type int he PID?
[15:32] <holstein> designbybeck_: i only konw what i do, not what top does.. i kil the process
[15:32] <xubuntu743> holstein: i'm in xubuntu 10.04.2 boot screen and i'm setting F6 option. Nomodeset on and any other off?
[15:33] <holstein> xubuntu743: i typically just try them *all* til i get to a desktop
[15:33] <designbybeck_> do you do "kill -9 PID"
[15:33] <designbybeck_> ^ holstein
[15:33] <Marzata> when is 12.04.2 due to?
[15:33] <xubuntu743> holstein: Nomodeset on then
[15:33] <holstein> designbybeck_: depends... sometimes i need to sudo kill things.. but typically its a user process that i just try kill PID on
[15:34] <designbybeck_> ok thank you
[15:34] <holstein> xubuntu743: with via hardware, and the issue you are dealing with, i would expect to use nomodeset.. safe graphics mode.. the vesa graphics driver...
[15:35] <xubuntu743> holstein: outing from F6 menu with esc will discard any setting?
[15:35] <designbybeck_> holstein, he's a zombie for sure, can't be killed!
[15:35] <designbybeck_> I don't have many brains to spare
[15:35] <xubuntu743> I forgot to set graphic safe...
[15:35] <designbybeck_> after i kill the PID and grep for it is isn't there anymore
[15:35] <designbybeck_> but it is still running in top and my ssytem is still spinning up high speed
[15:38] <xubuntu743> til booting...
[15:40] <holstein> designbybeck_: i would look into what application is causing it, and try going one version one way or the other
[15:41] <holstein> xubuntu743: for me, safe graphics is usually the only way i can get to the desktop with the via hardware
[15:41] <xubuntu743> ah:(
[15:41] <holstein> xubuntu743: i usually just get a few live CD's and just try *everything* til i get to a live desktop
[15:42] <xubuntu743> holstein: :S now it's working...
[15:42] <xubuntu743> holstein: lights' on
[15:43] <xubuntu743> holstein: lights are on
[15:43] <holstein> xubuntu743: yup.. you *can* get to the desktop.. then you can make descisions... blacklist modules.. try some other via driver.. use the vesa driver
[15:45] <holstein> i wouldnt have any issues running 10.04 on older hardware if that seemed to be the path of least resistance
[15:46] <xubuntu743> holstein: ...altought the mouse icon never appeared
[15:46] <holstein> xubuntu743: sure.. you have low memory... i have literally waited 20+ minutes on a live desktop
[15:47] <xubuntu743> holstein: ...even while lights of drives were off?
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu743: on a machine of those specs, i would be using puppy linux.. theres an ubuntu based one.. and a nice graphics wizard at boot to "get around" the issue you've spent quite a lot of time getting around
[15:47] <holstein> xubuntu743: what drives? you are on the CD
[15:48] <xubuntu743> holstein: ...HDdrive and CDdrive
[15:48] <xubuntu743> holstein: still working
[15:48] <holstein> xubuntu743: you have a low spec machine.. its hard to say how it will react... i can only tell you, occasionally i get busy with something else while im waiting on an old machine.. sometimes i notice after 20 minutes, i'll get to a desktop
[15:49] <holstein> xubuntu743: what can you do? install using the alternate iso.. specify the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf
[15:49] <holstein> what do i suggest? puppy linux
[15:49] <xubuntu743> holstein: puppy linux would be fine for a server?
[15:49] <GridCube> xubuntu743, you dont need X for a server
[15:49] <GridCube> anything would do
[15:49] <holstein> xubuntu743: this is the first i have heard the term "server"... ubuntu server would be fine for a server
[15:50] <holstein> you wont need to hassle with video drivers running something without a GUI
[15:50] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ has some nice "live" server iso's that are ubuntu based xubuntu743
[15:52] <xubuntu743> holstein: i could use this old machine (if it will still work fine!) as a Web Server?
[15:53] <holstein> xubuntu743: sure. you can try ubuntuserver... or a minimal ubuntu install without X.. or one of the above turnkey linux iso's.. the LAMP appliance
[15:53] <holstein> xubuntu743: you can try those live.. just like the ubuntu desktop versions... a live server iso...
[15:54] <holstein> they are ubuntu based.... http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lampstack for example xubuntu743 ... you boot that live.. no desktop environment needed
[15:55] <xubuntu743> holstein: i have downloaded Lubuntu server ISO but if PC doesn't work with Xubuntu Alternate LIVE CD 10.04 how can i install server version? So i do all this stupid questions and stupid work...
[15:56] <xubuntu743> holstein: this stupid questions and stupid work...
[15:56] <xubuntu743> holstein: theese stupid questions and stupid work...
[15:56] <xubuntu743> holstein: now still working
[15:57] <xubuntu743> holstein: drives are led-lighting
[15:57] <holstein> xubuntu743: there is not lubuntu server iso
[15:57] <holstein> xubuntu743: lubuntu is ubuntu with the lxde desktop envirnment.. you dont need *any* desktop environment
[15:58] <xubuntu743> holstein: sorry: ubuntu server iso
[15:58] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server is where to get that.. though i would get 32bit
[15:58] <holstein> xubuntu743: you can try those turnkey iso's since they are "live"
[15:59] <xubuntu743> thank you for turnkey infos
[15:59] <holstein> xubuntu743: you can try the same F6 options... nomodeset.. noacpi.. whatever the options are.. just try them, til you get the ubuntuserver iso installer to load
[15:59] <holstein> xubuntu743: the LED lights are not much to get excited about BTW...
[16:00] <xubuntu743> holstein: leds now do not light anymore:(
[16:01] <holstein> xubuntu743: right, but as i said, i woudnt worry about that.. LED's just light up from the motherboard activity
[16:01] <holstein> xubuntu743: if i wanted to install ubuntuserver on that hardware, i woud boot the iso, choose *all* options under the F6 menu if i had issues, then i would /join #ubuntu-server
[16:02] <holstein> xubuntu743: the turnkeys are a nice test as well, since they run live
[16:03] <xubuntu743> where i can find turnkey ISO (i fill silly)?... what's turnkey? a linux distro?
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu743: ubuntu server 10.04 is supported for 5 years... 2+ years of that still to come...
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu743: i linked you the LAMP stack, as well as the main turnkey linux site.. they are ubuntu based server distros as i stated before as well
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu743: you need me to get a link and re-link it here?
[16:05] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lampstack is the lamp stack
[16:05] <holstein> i would try the http://www.turnkeylinux.org/download?file=turnkey-lamp-12.0-squeeze-x86.iso
[16:05] <holstein> you want the iso.. not the other options for VM's
[16:05] <holstein> xubuntu743: vm=virtual machine... which is not what you want
[16:07] <xubuntu743> so many things i still don't know...
[16:07] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.4-server-i386.iso is the 10.04 32bit iso xubuntu743
[16:07] <xubuntu743> before download didn't start
[16:08] <xubuntu743> with the link, am i more silly?
[16:08] <xubuntu743> before download didn't start with the link, can i be more silly?
[16:08] <holstein> xubuntu743: im not sure.. you'd have to give me *exact* error messages.. i typically just search what i want
[16:09] <xubuntu743> holstein: why should i use 10.04 server distro altought 12?
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu743: if it "just works" since your hardware is older... i would just use it... after a 12.04 install fails, or the turnkey's which are 12.04 dont work
[16:11] <holstein> xubuntu743: the newer kernels might not have support for your hardware... the path of least resistance might be for you to install a 10.04 version
[16:11] <xubuntu743> holstein: have 12 version minor compatibility then 10 vers?
[16:11] <holstein> xubuntu743: 12.04**
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu743: there are several 10 versions and 12 versions
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu743: you *must* specify for me to know which you are refering to
[16:12] <xubuntu743> holstein: have 12.04 version higher minimum requirements then 10.04 vers?
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu743: the 12.04 version could have dropped support for your hardware
[16:13] <xubuntu743> holstein: uh:(
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu743: i typically just try and test.. i try live CD's.. whatever it takes. and whatever kernel works i just use it typically
[16:13] <xubuntu743> holstein: my hard-were past:(
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu743: i dont know that.. im just offering a suggestion so you can trouble shoot
[16:14] <xubuntu743> holstein: my hard...were past:(
[16:14] <xubuntu743> holstein: now i have to leave this pc for a while
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu743: what would i do? download a turnkey LAMP appliance.. if that fails, i would download a 10.04 turnkey appliance or ubuntuserver 10.04, which i linked above
[16:14] <xubuntu743> holstein: i've downloaded
[16:15] <holstein> xubuntu743: you have a 10.04 ubuntu server iso?
[16:16] <xubuntu743> from your link
[16:16] <xubuntu743> holstein: i've downloaded from your link above
[16:16] <holstein> xubuntu743: then, if you'd like put that in, try installing, and /join me in the proper support channel #ubuntu-server for troubleshooting installation issues
[16:16] <xubuntu743> ...i'm still downloading
[16:17] <holstein> xubuntu743: downloading is quite different than downloaded
[16:17] <xubuntu743> yes:)
[16:17] <xubuntu743> sorry
[16:17] <xubuntu743> i'm not master of this language
[16:17] <holstein> xubuntu743: no worries.. im just clarifying so we can be clear
[16:18] <xubuntu743> holstein: i've to leave this pc
[16:18] <holstein> xubuntu743: you know where to find me... i'll idle in #ubuntu-server as well
[16:18] <xubuntu743> holstein: so i can leave work the older machine for a while
[16:18] <xubuntu743> so i'll type /join me
[16:19] <holstein>  /join #ubuntu-server
[16:19] <xubuntu743> in the channel #ubuntu-server
[16:19] <holstein> xubuntu743: or just find someone and they will help you get where you need to be :)
[16:19] <xubuntu743> holstein: thank you so much
[16:19] <xubuntu743> thank you so much
[16:20] <xubuntu743> to all helped me
[16:20] <holstein> no worries.. enjoy!
[16:20] <xubuntu743> bye for now
[16:20] <xubuntu743> cheers
[16:20] <xubuntu743> !
[16:33] <designbybeck__> oh, while I'm thinking about it... Tomorrow we kick off another TexOS Project
[16:34] <designbybeck__> Texas Open Source Project, we'll have 11 high school students
[16:34] <designbybeck__> they'll be working on these donated computers with Xubuntu installed on them, at the end of next weekends session they'll get to take the computers home to keep
[16:35] <designbybeck__> Part of what I teach them is about the Open Source Community and how we share and collaborate and help each other out.
[16:35] <holstein> designbybeck__: do you have a link for that? i want to start something like that around here
[16:35] <designbybeck__> Does anyone oppose me bringing them in to this chatroom to say hi!
[16:35] <designbybeck__> http://texos.org holstein
[16:35] <designbybeck__> sadly I haven't added to much content as far as the handouts and such
[16:35] <designbybeck__> but I'm still tweaking those
[16:36] <designbybeck__> we started it up after being inspired by the http://reglue.org guys from Austin, Texas area
[16:36] <designbybeck__> holstein:  where are you from?
[16:36] <holstein> designbybeck__: im in asheville northcarolina
[16:37] <designbybeck__> nice
[16:57] <tjingboem> thinar hangs and crashes all the time. With top in the terminal i see that gst-plugin-scan takes 99% of the CPU.
[16:58] <tjingboem> how can this be solved?
[16:59] <bazhang> thunar?
[16:59] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gst-inspector/+bug/489408 maybe
[17:03] <tjingboem> perhaps, but i do not see any errors displyaed
[17:03] <tjingboem> it also takes a while for the system to be ready for use
[17:12] <tjingboem> thanks anyway, bye!
[18:08] <Os_Maleus> hey all together!
[18:11] <GridCube> !hi
[18:14] <xubuntu394> Hello everyone.
[18:16] <Os_Maleus> I have the following question: I have a system on which the home-partition is encrypted with luks. recently, I have bought an SSD-DH and I would like to move everything over onto that. for luks-encription on my home-partition, I had to overwork crypttab. now, if I would make an rsync of my system and an rsync of my home-partition (before exchanging the harddrives), then I would have to overwork the crypttab again. would that be everything, I w
[18:17] <Os_Maleus> or would I need to update grub there, too?
[18:23] <martinphone> from 2 days on, my laptop needs thrice the time to load, any tips?
[18:24] <martinphone> its not the vm's created with vbox
[18:24] <martinphone> those havent gave problems
[18:25] <martinphone> could vmware virtual disk be the cause? although I dont see how
[20:21] <xubuntu_> help!   does anyone know why after installing xubuntu my laptop hardly works at all?   i cant browse the web because advertisements overload it. its so god damn slow!!! why?!?! KUBUNTU RAN AWSOME! what the hell?!?!
[20:27] <recon_lap> xubuntu_: take a deep breath and count to 10 :)
[20:28] <recon_lap> xubuntu_: might be an idea to look in task manager and see if anything is running wild in there
[20:28] <TheSheep> xubuntu_: what graohics card do you have?
[20:30] <xubuntu_> embedded radeon (first gen)
[20:31] <xubuntu_> i dont expect much but i do expect it to perform better than kde as that uses so much more memory and forces it to use swap space (xubuntu working without needing to touch swap)
[20:32] <TheSheep> xubuntu_: do you have the drivers for it installed?
[20:33] <xubuntu_> well i never needed to install anything on jubuntu, but last night i did install more GL stuff and the flgrx ati driver from software center (i tried one that said it was for my card from amd.com but install aborted saying it was the wrong card)
[20:33] <xubuntu_> kubuntu*
[20:38] <recon_lap> xubuntu_: did you have a look in setting -> additional drivers to see if any are installed?
[20:38] <TheSheep> xubuntu_: use the drivers installer from the 'system' menu
[20:39] <xubuntu_> i did and there was nothing (on both kubuntu and xubuntu)
[20:42] <xubuntu248> hi I am neewbie and first time installing xubuntu on my pc. without problem...
[20:42] <xubuntu248> :)
[20:42] <Canuckian> o/ all
[20:43] <recon_lap> xubuntu248: nice of you to drop by, normally only see problem children in here :)
[20:44] <recon_lap> xubuntu_: can you give make and model of your computer?
[20:44] <Canuckian> quick question: I have an older laptop running 10.04 with XUbuntu on it, considering upgrading to 12.04.... the laptop system is running 1GB ram and 1.73GHZ CPU, can 12.04 XFCE run on this?
[20:44] <xubuntu_> Compaq Evo n610c
[20:46] <recon_lap> Canuckian: should be able to, have you tried alive CD to see?
[20:47] <Canuckian> I don't have the ability to make Live CD's right now, this system came up from 8.04.
[20:47] <Canuckian> its running 10.04 XFCE like a champ right now
[20:47] <xubuntu_> unetbootin doesnt work?
[20:48] <Canuckian> if I had a thumbdrive to use with it, i could try that, but alas....
[20:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu_: Have not had any issues with graphics so don't have a answers , but you may find this guide helpfull https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#Introduction
[20:58] <xubuntu_> looking into it
[21:00] <recon_lap> Canuckian: maybe you should wait till you get a chance to make a live cd or USB, you can always upgrade later
[21:02] <Canuckian> true
[21:46] <photon> I'm creating a local mirror with debmirror from archive.ubuntu.org (note, not Xubuntu) and included the distro "precise". will this automatically also download all Xubuntu packages and can I use this local mirror from Xubuntu 12.04?
[21:47] <photon> (note, not Xubuntu.org)*
[21:48] <Unit193> Xubuntu uses the exact same repo as Ubuntu does, so I'd give a guess of yes.
[21:52] <photon> Unit193: that's what I have guessed, too. from what I understand, Xfce, Unity, KDE, etc, are just packages in the repo, so it should include all of them.
[21:53] <Unit193> Yep, none use different repos, though Kubuntu users tend to add a KDE repo.
[21:57] <photon> Unit193: why is that and what does it do? doesn't the standard Ubuntu repo suffice?
[21:58] <Unit193> photon: Last I knew at least, may be the Kubuntu devs repo, but it's the newer KDE version or apps, but don't quote me on that.
[21:59] <photon> ok
[22:37] <kroson> Hello, which one is the superior interface, and why? Xfce or LXDE? Thank you!
[22:38] <pleia2> kroson: depends on who you ask, you should try them both out and see what you like the best
[22:39] <David-A> kroson: its a matter of opinion, really. they have different requirement on the hardware too. but, if you ask me, the objective fact is i think xfce is best :)
[22:39] <pleia2> kroson: you're welcome to join #xubuntu-offtopic to chat about the merits, but please don't PM people without asing
[22:39] <pleia2> asking