[00:01] dont know where you buy your electronics but stop shopping there [00:06] ok.. ;) [00:11] xubuntu369: there is the Qualcomm MSM6275 UMTS card, I think thats the one with the 3g [00:13] xubuntu369: found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305792 [00:14] thxs, checking that right away =) [00:15] oh.. you think the chip is not supported? [00:49] Hello, hello, just installed Xubuntu on my HP Pavilion ze5300 laptop, and cannot gain access to the WLAN radio, it tells me firmware is missing, and I'm not finding anything in the restricted drivers menu, any ideas what could be up? [00:50] It says there are no proprietary drivers in use, but I can't get the WLAN to enable [00:54] Nevermind, found the fix [01:24] G'day. If anyone is about, are they able to tell me the best way to add a second sudoer account to xubuntu? In Ubuntu I just add the user to the 'admin' group, but this doesnt exist in xubuntu. [01:24] krawler: xubuntu *is* ubuntu [01:25] Is there a reason that the admin group doesnt exist on my xubuntu install, that did on my ubuntu install? Both were fresh installs :\ [01:25] http://benaiah41.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/37/ [01:25] sudo adduser username admin [01:25] krawler: let me know if theres an error running that command [01:26] $ sudo adduser test1 admin --> adduser: The group `admin' does not exist. [01:27] I can just add it as a group (which is already in visudo as an entry %admin), I just thought there might be a "best" way that was different [01:28] krawler: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/893842 [01:28] Launchpad bug 893842 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu Precise) "Move "admin" group to "sudo"" [Critical,Fix released] [01:29] think admin is reserved for something in ubuntu [01:30] yeah.. admin.. not sure why its depricated some places and not others [01:31] unless the xubuntu is a newer version that ubuntu was in the above case [01:32] wow, xfce4-terminal scrolling some stuff is causing my Xorg process to go 100% CPU (12.04) [01:32] It was Ubuntu 12.04 and xubuntu 12.04(.1?). The admin group existed before, but if its moved to sudo then thats cool I'll just add them to sudo group [01:33] krawler: thats what is being suggested, and i havent needed to fool about there in a while... and that does explain your findings [01:34] Adding the user to sudo allows them to perform sudo commands, so looks good. [01:35] fwiw both %admin and %sudo exist in /etc/sudoers [01:35] Thanks for the help :) [05:21] pretty shocking that xubuntu 10.04 works on a 133 Mhz Via EPIA system with only 512MB ram. The kids will enjoy their new study room computer. [05:21] 0_o [05:22] wasn't that long ago that 512MB of ram was plenty for any os [05:23] I'd have said try Lubuntu with that. :P Additionally, 10.04 is going EOL soon. [05:24] well_laid_lawn: true. I guess its better than a pdp-11 [05:24] Unit193: what's the implications of endolife [05:24] I'll take your word on that [05:24] !eol [05:24] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [05:27] hmm I guess I am going to have to recompile the kernel, because the default kernel isn't supported by my hardware. I tried upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 lts to 12.04 and got a kernel error [05:27] that will REALLY STINK on a 133 processor, but I guess it gives me an excuse to play with the rugrats [05:27] PAE, right. They are dropping the generic after, but you can upgrade from 10.04 ot 12.04 and keep generic. [05:29] /msg ubottu !eol [05:30] oops === s is now known as Guest21570 [07:24] have problem with sound... any one help me [07:26] what kind of problem [07:28] sometimes show me dummy card ...? works application plays sound but nothing come out [07:28] maybe the driver(s) is missing [07:29] what can i do [07:30] what sound card you have? [07:31] c-media [07:33] configuration show me no card [07:34] maybe you can just disable it from there and logout: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09282012-093401am.php [07:34] err if there's more than 1 [07:35] i disable onboard there is only one card [07:39] isn't onboard c-media?.. the two that are showing in the screenshot is my video adapater [07:39] onboard is ac97 i disable in bios [07:40] i star with c-media [07:40] they show me dummy output know what it mean [07:47] how do I change the plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo to plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text? dpkg-reconfigure? [07:49] sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth -> There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-logo.plymouth [07:50] weird... I also have plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text installed [07:51] is changing /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth manually a good idea? === mogito is now known as mogitaff [09:23] Hi, we've installed xubuntu on a older machine and we cant get flash to work in any browser (even when its installed from the appstore-thingy). Chromium says it cant load the plugins and firefox just shows a white box where the youtube player should be. (though it appears flash is running if I check with taskmanager) [09:24] Anyone want to take a stab at whats causing that? The machine uses almost eqlusively SIS chipsets and graphics but changing to an Nvidia card and official drivers did not help [09:24] Its the 32bit 12.04 release and all updates installed [09:27] any one know why xubuntu would run super slow on a compaq evo n610c but not have problems with kubuntu? [09:30] xubuntu2: check what causes this "slowness" [09:31] i havent a clue. i decided to switch a friends comp over from kubuntu to xubuntu rather than updateing. i told him oh no dont worry it'll run better. its meant for old computers [09:33] not the case. it runs terrible. takes forever to boot. its slow, theres mouse lag when its thinking about even the smallest of things, it cant handle flash any more, the animation is choppy and games are unplayable [09:34] well it cant the fault of xfce [09:34] i got a netbook and it runs very smooth [09:35] i thought it would make things better. my laptop runs way faster than it ever has since i put xubuntu on it [09:35] xubuntu2: When you say it cant handle flash, do you mean it does not run at all or that flash runs slowly? [09:35] slow / chopppy [09:35] Ok, not the same issue as I have then [09:36] it used to play farmville and castleville no sweat b4 [09:37] now i just tested it out on a lame small disney game and the clock ran out b4 it even finished cacheing [09:38] by the time it was fully loaded into memory and i could move the character two steps it was game over [09:41] right now im letting it run its updates hopefully that fixes it. but im at a loss as to how it could be even possible that kde runs better than xfce on a 2GHz w/ 768 MB SDRAM [09:51] is it possible to add a notification for the xfce-mailwatch-plugin? [10:10] ok then other question... xfce4-mailwatch, whats the cli command to use it? [10:38] привет [10:38] ominous, english please :) [10:39] !ru | ominous [10:39] ominous: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [12:31] hi! [12:31] hello [12:31] I have a problem with my pc and xubuntu:( [12:32] is here the right place to talk about it? [12:32] yes [12:33] but you have to ask a question, provide more detail about your problem [12:33] ok, thank you. [12:33] my pc is an old PentiumIII [12:33] 512 Mb RAM [12:33] then if someone knows the answer, they will answer [12:34] after some troubles with Winz i'm tring to install lubuntu 12.04,1 [12:35] but PC can't boot by 12.04.1 CD LIVE [12:37] now i'm tring to install Xubuntu 10.04 and PC stops after lenguage chosen [12:37] What have i to do? [12:37] RAM is ok, CDdrive is ok, HD is ok [12:39] should i install an older version of Xubuntu? [12:47] xubuntu743: whats the computer make and model? [12:49] maybe try alternate install... [12:55] i tring alternate [12:56] the pc is a assembled hard top [12:57] the pc is a assembled desktop [13:00] installation stops after language chosen [13:00] xubuntu743: what the graphics card? [13:00] i have to open, 1 moment [13:01] xubuntu743: while you have it open might as well see what the mother board is as well [13:01] ok [13:02] why isn't LibreOffice standard on Xubuntu, and AbiWord and Gunermic well? [13:04] erkan^: because xubuntu has chosen lighter alternatives [13:05] ah, i see that LO works quick on Xubuntu after I have installed this by Software Centrum, TheDrums [13:05] yes, you can install any ubuntu software [13:06] right (-: [13:07] video board is a Matrox [13:07] xubuntu743: no numbers on it? [13:08] graphic card is a Matrox MT05090 [13:09] On Matrox is written: G45 + MGHA 16DLE [13:11] G45 + MDHA 16DLE, sorry [13:12] xubuntu743, are you using the alternate or the desktop iso? [13:12] xubuntu743: this a brand new custom PC ? [13:13] is there anyway in xfce to make the top bar sorta dissapear and hug the panel in xfce? :\ [13:13] i tried with latest ISO release Lubuntu 12.04.1 [13:13] hug? [13:13] like it does in unity [13:13] there was a way back a years aog [13:13] sorry, no: PC is an old one [13:13] s/aog/ago/ [13:14] dont know if such works now [13:14] ok, was having a hard time finding info on that graphics card [13:15] assembled one, works with Winz XP, but only in REcovery mode [13:15] that stinks [13:15] before, this machine has been always worked [13:15] FloatingGoat, opinions [13:16] xubuntu743: is PC a rescue job, or was it working last week? [13:16] xfce is great but it lacks when it comes to screen real estate [13:16] firefox eats my space up. [13:16] disable the menubar [13:16] It is a PC rescue job, my friend [13:17] but before this problem PC has been worked [13:17] can xfce have a global menu? [13:17] that would probably help [13:17] ill check [13:18] FloatingGoat, as i said earlier, global-menu integration doesnt work anymore [13:18] oh [13:18] you are welcome to take the project and mantain it if you wish [13:19] now i'm tring to install Xubuntu 9, and it's arrived splash screen for language... [13:19] xubuntu743: I'd suggest trying the alt install. might get you up and running. I'm having a look about for info [13:19] xubuntu743, 9? [13:19] im quite liking this quiteee [13:19] D: [13:19] xubuntu743, use the alternate iso [13:20] dont use xubuntu 9 you wont get any support for it [13:20] GridCube: yes... 9.xx [13:20] xubuntu743: just go with 12.04 [13:20] xubuntu743, dont use such old version [13:21] 12.04.1 with ALT install... that is Alternate CD LIVE? [13:21] si [13:21] I tried (not installed) 12.04 but it doewsn't work!!! [13:22] try the alternate version [13:22] ALTERNATE version doesn't work... [13:22] why not? [13:23] how does it fail? [13:23] after a while it stops... no signal [13:23] no messages [13:24] xubuntu743: what happen when you boot to live session and dont install? [13:25] with ALT CD it can't boot, Aborts. Then ask me "boot:" [13:25] what's meaning??? [13:25] and if i install an older version of xubuntu and upgrade further? [13:25] xubuntu743: meaning that you problem is low level hardware [13:26] xubuntu743: or bad install media [13:26] recon_lap: mhh! ok, but CD is ok, drive is ok, HD is ok, [13:26] i suppose motherboard is ok... [13:26] xubuntu743, check that the integryto of the cd is ok compared to the md5 checksum of the iso [13:26] !md5 [13:26] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [13:26] xubuntu743: does the motherboard have on board vedio? [13:27] Video* [13:27] are you asking me if mother board has the graphic card separated? [13:27] yes [13:28] xubuntu743: you can tell by looking at the back and seeing if the MB has a VGA port [13:29] but this not going to cause a boot: prompt, are you sure you created the CD correctly? [13:29] i can't understand. My Matrox graphic card has 2 VGA ports [13:30] nether Xubuntu 9.10 works [13:30] xubuntu743: can you describe how you created the boot CD? [13:30] xubuntu743: are you even using a CD? [13:33] downloading ISO from _UBUNTU.org and writing CDs, but all with another pc in different times [13:33] xubuntu743: and did you burn the iso as a disk image? [13:34] only last one. [13:34] xubuntu743: like if you open the CD on the other computer do you see lots of files? [13:35] i'll be back soon [13:36] Hi [13:36] o/ DarkAmethyst [13:37] o/? [13:37] waving :) [13:37] ahh =) [13:38] I can't seem to find the system requirement for Xubuntu [13:38] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ [13:39] thanks =) [13:39] yay, my desktop should be able to run it =D [13:39] DarkAmethyst: they pretty minimum , do you have 256mb of memory [13:40] my desktop has I think 312mb [13:40] (256 is recomended anymore) [13:41] My desktop has 320mb [13:41] :) [13:41] It's pretty old, I'm looking for an OS to replace XP on it [13:41] you will be probably smooter using lubuntu [13:42] DarkAmethyst: seriously ? thats more than old [13:42] =P [13:42] 12Gb HDD, 320mb memory, 633Mhz CPU [13:43] and an S3 ProSavage [13:43] I recently got a wireless card for it but it turns out XP without service packs lacks support for my router ¬_¬ [13:43] DarkAmethyst: laptop i take it [13:44] Nope [13:44] My laptop is much faster =) [13:44] It's my very old desktop, an HP Brio [13:44] I'd take a punt on the recycling center at m ylocal dump, probably find something better for free :) [13:45] I don't know where the local dump is XD [13:45] And it has sentimental value to me [13:47] Xuxbuntu seems to be working very smoothly in VirtualBox [13:47] under the same resources as my desktop [13:47] wonders what happened xubuntu743, seem like a awe full long time to look to see if his CD has any files [13:50] i'm back [13:51] xubuntu743: great, so where the a group of files and folders on the CD ? [13:52] recon_lap: my CD ALT vers. of Ubuntu 12.04.1 a ISO (image) burning [13:52] in are files and folders [13:52] xubuntu743: and by burning you mean burning a disk image to cd? [13:53] xubuntu743: ok, have you checked the boot order in the BIOS of the computer you'r setting up? [13:53] yes, with Xfburn: burn an Image file [13:53] the boot order works fine [13:55] i tried 3 CDs live... none works... and with 12.04.1 ISO burning no boot. [13:56] ok, you got a CD to try boot with? [13:56] is there possible to change digital vibrance on intel GPU HD2000 from Core i5-2400? [13:56] recon_lap [13:56] xubuntu743, does your computer supports booting from usb drives? [13:57] olbi, vibrance? [13:57] xubuntu743: does the CD work in the computer your setting up? and can it read the CD type you are using? [13:57] CD Drive* [13:57] I've gtg, bye. [13:58] Karspersky rescue disks works, it says: [13:58] GridCube: good call :) did not think of that [13:58] Karspersky rescue disks works, it says: hw info: [13:59] xubuntu743: have you verified one of the live CD's? [13:59] ...working... it's loading everything well [13:59] in nVidia Settings, there is monitor options -> Controls and Digital Vibrance :) [13:59] how I could do that under Intel GPU [13:59] hw abst daemon... [14:00] xubuntu743: did you burn the Karspersky CD yourself? on the same type of disk as the xubuntu CD? [14:00] Karspersky rescue disks says: hw info: [14:00] xubuntu743: i would "check installer disk integrity" [14:00] karspersky Rdisk i burn myself!! [14:01] karspersky Rdisk i've burn myself!! [14:01] xubuntu743: something is causing the xubuntu iso's you burn to not work.. they *do* work... have you verified the live CDs? [14:02] I did not verify Cds [14:02] PC info: Host bridge VIA Tech. Inc. Apollo PRO133x [14:02] xubuntu743: i like that step.. it checks several things at ones.. the donwloaded image, the burn, and the actual CD [14:03] xubuntu743: via hardware can be tricky.. how is it "failing" ? [14:03] PC info: PCI bridge VIA Tech. Inc. Apollo MVP3/Pro 133x AGP [14:03] holstein: he was getting a Boot: prompt [14:03] i would do "nomodeset"... actually, i would just use whatever options there it takes [14:04] xubuntu743: tapping shift while the live CD is booting should show the menu.. down at the bottom of that menu.. F6 "nomodset" [14:04] holstein: what's failing? [14:04] try to get to the live desktop from there.. i would *not* install from there yet [14:04] xubuntu743: you see my post abover about "nomodeset"? [14:05] xubuntu743: safe graphics mode... you can also install with an alternate iso and use a custom xorg.conf to specify the vesa driver [14:06] holstein: so you'r suggesting to boot in text mode and install the right graphic card driver? [14:07] xubuntu743: im suggesting that there is not a "right" grahpics driver.. im suggesting you try the ilve CD with "nomodeset".. [14:12] i'm tring [14:14] how do i disable the synchronized vertical refresh rate of my intel gpu and use the full potential of the gpu ? [14:14] right now i am getting 50 fps on glxgears what do i do ? [14:17] shift is not necessary, but with Xubuntu 9.10 in F6 menu [14:19] holstein: Lubuntu 12 doesn't work (only 512Mb RAM?) Xubuntu 9.10 in F6 menu [14:19] xubuntu743: 9.10?.. 9.10 is EOL [14:20] ok, but it works [14:20] xubuntu743: 12.04 should work fine with 512 ram [14:20] less then 512 [14:21] xubuntu743: i would just try them til i get a live desktop.. at that point i would try to install.. if it doesnt work, i would think about using an alternate CD, or "moving on" [14:30] xubuntu743, you could try your aproach though, and try to update 9.10 to 10.04 and then to 12.04 [14:30] that "might", maybe, work [14:30] ok, i'm tring apic=off ALT CD live boot 9.10 [14:31] till now everything is the same, booting. [14:37] still booting [14:39] xubuntu743: it anything happening though? is DVD light flashing, HDD light ? [14:44] now booting has stopped! [14:45] drives' lights had turned off for a while [14:45] xubuntu743, press alt-f4 on that machine and see if that sends you to the tty4 [14:45] that should show you whats going on [14:46] how do i disable sync to vblank on xubuntu ? [14:46] alt-f4, when press alt-F4? [14:46] it might be decompressing something and its taking its time [14:46] xubuntu743, now that you have it "stoped" [14:46] you can press ctrl-alt-f4 aswell [14:46] its the same [14:46] ? [14:46] no decompressing. because the animated icon of mouse has stopped! [14:47] o: you got that far? [14:47] ALt-f4, i'll remember it... thanks [14:47] i'm tring acpi=off and noapic boot [14:47] xubuntu743, you might "need" to use alternate [14:47] can anyone tell me how do i turnoff sync to vblank on my gpu ? [14:48] it's an intel gma [14:48] !patience | apm1 [14:48] apm1: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [14:48] ok sorry guys [14:48] :) np [14:55] apm1, i wish to know how to turn it on, tearing is evil ;) i could guess its a simple option in xorg.conf, generating one is the challenge. [14:56] gotta restart X.org BRB [15:01] Artemis3, not really, just go to a tty do sudo service lightdm stop && sudo Xorg --configure && sudo service lightdm restart [15:06] no boot! Stops. [15:06] Alt+F4, no response [15:07] i will HW restart [15:08] xubuntu743, you should get a newer image, 9.10? too old :P [15:08] acpi=off, noapic, nolapic [15:08] i will try [15:08] !eolupgrades | xubuntu743 [15:08] xubuntu743: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [15:09] xubuntu743, xubuntu 12.04 perhaps? [15:11] xubuntu743: i would be using 12.04.. if you want/need an older version, use 10.04, not 9.10 [15:12] ... ok [15:22] now it stops again (ALT F4 no response) (CTR ALT CAMC no response) [15:23] hello, why does the wallapapers only change every time i log in or reboot etc ? [15:23] cd drive eject button no response [15:24] if i try a newer version of xubuntu (12.04) : "aborted I boot:" [15:25] what i have to do? [15:25] i'm on 12.04 [15:26] holstein: what does it mean with "boot:" [15:28] xubuntu743: it, being, the xubuntu 12.04.1 live CD? [15:28] xubuntu743: i woudnt expect any "response" from the hardware if the kernel panics or whatever due to ta driver issue [15:29] what i typically do is unplug the hard drive, if possible, and just troubleshoot and test til i get a live CD to boot [15:30] greetings all on this fine fine Friday [15:30] holstein: with Xubuntu 10: nomodeset on and every other F6 option off? [15:30] holstein: fyi that machine only has 320mb of ram [15:30] fine Friday for killin' zombies [15:30] ...so really how do I kill a zombie process? top kill doesn'tdo it [15:30] xubuntu743: xubuntu 10.04? [15:31] 10.04.2 [15:31] holstein: 10.04.2 [15:31] i would expect to be able to get to a live deskop eventually... you are doing the nomodeset option xubuntu743 ? [15:31] can you kill a zombie process without restarting? [15:32] designbybeck_: i usualy run ps aux | grep "whatever" and kill it by PID [15:32] isn't that what top does? [15:32] if you press k and then type int he PID? [15:32] designbybeck_: i only konw what i do, not what top does.. i kil the process [15:32] holstein: i'm in xubuntu 10.04.2 boot screen and i'm setting F6 option. Nomodeset on and any other off? [15:33] xubuntu743: i typically just try them *all* til i get to a desktop [15:33] do you do "kill -9 PID" [15:33] ^ holstein [15:33] when is 12.04.2 due to? [15:33] holstein: Nomodeset on then [15:33] designbybeck_: depends... sometimes i need to sudo kill things.. but typically its a user process that i just try kill PID on [15:34] ok thank you [15:34] xubuntu743: with via hardware, and the issue you are dealing with, i would expect to use nomodeset.. safe graphics mode.. the vesa graphics driver... [15:35] holstein: outing from F6 menu with esc will discard any setting? [15:35] holstein, he's a zombie for sure, can't be killed! [15:35] I don't have many brains to spare [15:35] I forgot to set graphic safe... [15:35] after i kill the PID and grep for it is isn't there anymore [15:35] but it is still running in top and my ssytem is still spinning up high speed [15:38] til booting... [15:40] designbybeck_: i would look into what application is causing it, and try going one version one way or the other [15:41] xubuntu743: for me, safe graphics is usually the only way i can get to the desktop with the via hardware [15:41] ah:( [15:41] xubuntu743: i usually just get a few live CD's and just try *everything* til i get to a live desktop [15:42] holstein: :S now it's working... [15:42] holstein: lights' on [15:43] holstein: lights are on [15:43] xubuntu743: yup.. you *can* get to the desktop.. then you can make descisions... blacklist modules.. try some other via driver.. use the vesa driver [15:45] i wouldnt have any issues running 10.04 on older hardware if that seemed to be the path of least resistance [15:46] holstein: ...altought the mouse icon never appeared [15:46] xubuntu743: sure.. you have low memory... i have literally waited 20+ minutes on a live desktop [15:47] holstein: ...even while lights of drives were off? [15:47] xubuntu743: on a machine of those specs, i would be using puppy linux.. theres an ubuntu based one.. and a nice graphics wizard at boot to "get around" the issue you've spent quite a lot of time getting around [15:47] xubuntu743: what drives? you are on the CD [15:48] holstein: ...HDdrive and CDdrive [15:48] holstein: still working [15:48] xubuntu743: you have a low spec machine.. its hard to say how it will react... i can only tell you, occasionally i get busy with something else while im waiting on an old machine.. sometimes i notice after 20 minutes, i'll get to a desktop [15:49] xubuntu743: what can you do? install using the alternate iso.. specify the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf [15:49] what do i suggest? puppy linux [15:49] holstein: puppy linux would be fine for a server? [15:49] xubuntu743, you dont need X for a server [15:49] anything would do [15:49] xubuntu743: this is the first i have heard the term "server"... ubuntu server would be fine for a server [15:50] you wont need to hassle with video drivers running something without a GUI [15:50] http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ has some nice "live" server iso's that are ubuntu based xubuntu743 [15:52] holstein: i could use this old machine (if it will still work fine!) as a Web Server? [15:53] xubuntu743: sure. you can try ubuntuserver... or a minimal ubuntu install without X.. or one of the above turnkey linux iso's.. the LAMP appliance [15:53] xubuntu743: you can try those live.. just like the ubuntu desktop versions... a live server iso... [15:54] they are ubuntu based.... http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lampstack for example xubuntu743 ... you boot that live.. no desktop environment needed [15:55] holstein: i have downloaded Lubuntu server ISO but if PC doesn't work with Xubuntu Alternate LIVE CD 10.04 how can i install server version? So i do all this stupid questions and stupid work... [15:56] holstein: this stupid questions and stupid work... [15:56] holstein: theese stupid questions and stupid work... [15:56] holstein: now still working [15:57] holstein: drives are led-lighting [15:57] xubuntu743: there is not lubuntu server iso [15:57] xubuntu743: lubuntu is ubuntu with the lxde desktop envirnment.. you dont need *any* desktop environment [15:58] holstein: sorry: ubuntu server iso [15:58] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server is where to get that.. though i would get 32bit [15:58]