[01:20] <key> 哈哈
[01:48] <ledah> hello
[02:16] <gonssal> Hi all. If I already updated to Kmail2 (4.8.5), is it safe to completely remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail folder?
[02:40] <DaemonFC> did video calls in telepathy break recently? (using the ppa)
[03:06] <ledah> i installed the realtek audio drivers and now i have a dummy card, already purged and reinstalled alsa and pulseaudio
[04:25] <contrast> Greets, everyone. Anyone know of a fix for this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/1052192 (besides just not using the menu bar widget)?
[04:37] <dniMretsaM> I need some help with K3b. it won't burn a CD-R. it tells me to use a CD-RW (which I don't have). it's burned CD-Rs of the exact same kind before. it sees my drive and says it has write capabilities for CD-Rs. Any help would be appreciated. K3b 2.0.2 on KDE Platform 4.9.1.
[10:58] <ManDay> Hello, I require urgent assistance. Someone who I'm trying to help remotely over phone gets an error "The permission of the setuid helper is not correct" when trying to log in and subsequently most major components of the system don't work - internet included. This happend since an update two days ago. Does anyone know help?
[11:08] <Peace-> ManDay: mm
[11:08] <Peace-> ManDay: first  any ppa added ?
[11:09] <Peace-> ManDay: what did you do with "update"?
[11:19] <ManDay> Peace-: Nothing, update manager - I just found the solution on Google: dpkg --configure
[11:19] <ManDay> -a
[11:19] <ManDay> Thanks though
[11:22] <Peace-> ManDay: well dpkg --configure -a it means you have stopped an upgrade or something like that
[11:22] <Peace-> and ... of course it's not the best of situation you could have
[11:22] <ManDay> I could not parse yoru sentence
[11:23] <Peace-> dpkg --configure -a = you stop an upgrade when the system is installing stuff
[11:23] <Peace-> and you want your system resume the installation
[11:24] <Peace-> this is good for the most of times but... for some packages stop the installation is not a good thing
[11:24] <ManDay> "you stop"...
[11:24] <ManDay> You're jumping at assumptions, Peace-
[11:24] <Peace-> block ?
[11:25] <Peace-> dpkg  --configure -a = means you have stopped the installation
[11:25] <ManDay> I don't use (K)Ubuntu personally, but in my experience apt-get upgrade is all but working well
[11:25] <ManDay> *I* did not stop anything. Neither did the person I was trying to help, I assume
[11:25] <Peace-> depends if you use some weird ppa or not
[11:25] <ManDay> apt-get / update-manager just fucked it up
[11:26] <Peace-> i have asked before did you add some weird ppa ?  [13:08] <Peace-> ManDay: first  any ppa added ?
[11:26] <Peace-> if yes = it's normal that upgrade can mess yoursystem
[11:26] <ManDay> Peace-: I'm pretty sure I did not.
[11:26] <ManDay> But I cannot answer that definitely
[11:27] <ManDay> As I said I was trying to help remotely over phone
[11:27] <Peace-> well the fast answer is choose another kernel on the boot and try with that
[11:27] <Peace-> but your system could be unusable
[11:28] <Peace-> some people loves use ppa then when they upgrade they forget to remove them
[11:28] <Peace-> and some time system can be useless
[13:12] <oneadvent> hi. I am trying to start netbeans using a gtk theme and I get this message: (java:9998): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "crux-engine",
[13:12] <oneadvent> any ideas?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:54] <agronholm> has anyone here tried installing 12.10 beta 2?
[14:54] <agronholm> I just did, all I got was a screen full of garbage after the KDE boot
[14:55] <agronholm> first I thought maybe it was due to my laptop being docked, but I removed it from the dock and tried again...same results
[14:55] <agronholm> I cannot install 12.10 AT ALL
[14:56] <Evpok> I have had no problem since the upgrade (02 sept)
[14:56] <Evpok> What do you mean "full of garbage" ?
[14:56] <agronholm> well on the first reboot, it gave me a garbled image with parts from some video buffer remaining from before the reboot
[14:56] <BluesKaj> agronholm, yes   I'm running it ...do you mean the login page , if so , drop to a tty , ctrl+alt+f1 or f2  , login then , startx
[14:57] <agronholm> BluesKaj: I mean, I cannot get the installer image to work
[14:57] <Evpok> Ah, it may be issues with lightdm
[14:57] <agronholm> I boot it, it displays the running counter (where USB keyboard does not work), then starts the boot sequence
[14:57] <Evpok> Though I can't understand why
[14:57] <agronholm> where it shows the KDE gear image
[14:58] <agronholm> when that goes away, my screen is filled with garbage
[14:58] <agronholm> and nothing
[14:58] <agronholm> I can ctrl+alt+f1 and get to the shell, so it's not hanged or anything
[14:58] <agronholm> I took a photo of my screens
[14:58] <agronholm> sec
[14:58] <Evpok> Was it a fresh install on a clean system?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> agronholm, , best to join #ubuntu+1 for support
[14:59] <agronholm> I'm telling you, I was booting the 12.10 beta image
[14:59] <agronholm> alright
[14:59] <Evpok> Oh, right, sorry
[15:57] <Torch_> is it safe to ignore this totally unhelpful message from grub during a security upgrade (as if it had been my decision to make any changes):
[15:57] <Torch_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1249776/
[17:10] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:16] <spooky_ddd> Heey there. Latest beta in VM here, it keeps repeating keys erratically or eating up keeys as I type.
[17:17] <bazhang> spooky_ddd, #ubuntu+1 for 12.10
[17:17] <spooky_ddd> same for kubuntu??
[17:17] <bazhang> yes
[17:21] <gonssal_> Hi all. If I already updated to Kmail2 (4.8.5), is it safe to completely remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail folder?
[17:29] <Peace-> gonssal_: ?
[17:29] <Peace-> gonssal_: what do you mean ?
[17:30] <gonssal_> Peace-: i have ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail and kmail2 folders
[17:30] <Peace-> gonssal_: so ?
[17:30] <gonssal_> is it safe to remove the kmail one?
[17:30] <lordievader> Doesn't kmail store the mail there?
[17:30] <gonssal_> i believe it does on kmail2 now?
[17:30] <Peace-> gonssal_: it's a local folder , so that if you remove it  kmail will recreate it .... but you will lost the stuff you have into so ... just remove it
[17:31] <gonssal_> but isn't kmail2 using the kmail2 folder only?
[17:31] <Peace-> gonssal_: RENAME IT
[17:31] <lordievader> That's what I'd say, rename, if nothing breaks you can remove it.
[20:18] <slevsk> .
[20:22] <slevsk> ...
[20:22] <slevsk> :D
[20:23] <BluesKaj> slevsk, ??
[20:33] <Guest29525> Anyone got a minute to help me with my wireless network?
[20:43] <scarface> hello....test..
[20:43] <scarface> ah great....
[21:02] <DaemonFC> does anyone happen to know a handy way to stop Nouveau from loading and to use vesa instead?
[21:05] <rork> DaemonFC: you can select the drivers through "Additional Drivers", I think it's under System in the start menu or just look for drivers in kicker
[21:06] <DaemonFC> I'm not going to get that far. Nouveau is preventing X from loading in Quantal
[21:07] <DaemonFC> I guess I could use the alternate installer then force a safe mode boot and install nvidia from there
[21:08] <DaemonFC> oh, they discontinued the alternate installer *sigh*
[21:09] <rork> I'm afraid I'm not able to help you with that, too long ago that I had to set it from the commandline (un)fortunately
[21:10] <DaemonFC> they need to just stop trying to use Nouveau on Fermi and Kepler by default for now (my opinion)
[21:11] <Sentynel> DaemonFC: assuming you've got a console okay you should just be able to blacklist the nouveau module
[21:12] <DaemonFC> yeah, but Ubuntu doesn't default to having a grub countdown and that makes it very hard to catch the grub menu
[21:21] <ScottyK> Greetings! for the "additional Drivers" for my ATI card, there are two options, the regular driver, and a "post-release update". What is post-release update? Thanks!
[21:22] <DaemonFC> exactly what it sounds like :)
[21:22] <skreech_> ScottyK: I would assume that it's a driver that came out after Kubuntu was released and so hasn[t been through as much beta testing
[21:22] <ScottyK> so that means it will get updates, where the first one will not?
[21:22] <DaemonFC> the regular one is  the version from around March I think, and will not change
[21:23] <ScottyK> so if you want the latest and greatest, go for the post-release?
[21:23] <skreech_> But You can do some research on it to see if it's given other problems or alternatively it fixes an issue you have and then decide if you would like to update to it
[21:23] <skreech_> ScottyK: correct
[21:23] <skreech_> At least if you want the latest
[21:23] <DaemonFC> ScottyK: Yeah
[21:23] <skreech_> I can't vouch for greatest
[21:23] <DaemonFC> latest doesn't always mean greatest :)
[21:23] <DaemonFC> it can, but you can also get regressions
[21:23] <ScottyK> Great, not trying to fix anything major, just a bit of a lag, wondering if the post-release would clear that out
[21:24] <DaemonFC> I'm using 305.51 (which is the latest), and I have not had any problems out of it. I'm just one person with one particular card though.
[21:24] <ScottyK> how do you check what version driver you are using?
[21:25] <DaemonFC> If you think about the hundreds of chipsets and dozens of distributions that Nvidia has to support, it's conceivable that they could have a regression that affects a particular combination of hardware and distribution
[21:25] <DaemonFC> the glxinfo utility should say
[21:25] <DaemonFC> it's in the mesa-utils package
[21:26] <DaemonFC> "OpenGL version string: 4.2.0 NVIDIA 304.51"
[21:26] <ScottyK> download in progress, thanks
[21:26] <DaemonFC> something like that
[21:27] <ScottyK> OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 6550D
[21:27] <ScottyK> oops, that's not it
[21:28] <ScottyK> OpenGL version string: 4.2.11627
[21:28] <ScottyK> there it is
[21:28] <ScottyK> This new system I put together, I was going to use my Nvidia GeForce 8600 GS, but the system has so many problems booting. As soon as I removed it and ran with the onboard- problems disappeared.
[21:28] <DaemonFC> a RadeonHD with Crapalyst :)
[21:29] <DaemonFC> great hardware, horrible driver
[21:30] <DaemonFC> they have a 12.9 beta out for that which is much better
[21:30] <slevsk> русские есть? :D
[21:30] <ScottyK> for the Radeon?
[21:30] <DaemonFC> I don't know that anyone has packaged it yet, but generating debs is not too hard from their installer script
[21:30] <DaemonFC> yeah
[21:30] <DaemonFC> it finally fixes KDE direct rendering so you can use the OpenGL 2 backend
[21:31] <DaemonFC> but if you're using KDE 4.8, you'd have to set an environment variable to tell kwin to skip the driver check
[21:31] <ScottyK> yeah I'm on 4.8.5
[21:31] <DaemonFC> 4.9 takes Catalyst off the blacklist o' broken crap if it's newer than 12.6
[21:32] <DaemonFC> indirect rendering is seriously ugly
[21:32] <DaemonFC> Catalyst was the only reason that backend still lives
[21:32] <ScottyK> sounds like I should try and get this nvidia card working again
[21:32] <DaemonFC> Nvidia just gets the OpenGL 2 / direct rendering support and has ever since it was introduced in KDE 4.6
[21:32] <DaemonFC> it's so much more pleasant to deal with
[21:33] <DaemonFC> indirect rendering is much slower and it limits you to OpenGL 1.x
[21:33] <DaemonFC> bugs in older versions of Catalyst caused a multitude of problems, including the entire system hanging if you tried to launch a second OpenGL application :)
[21:33] <ScottyK> Let me ask you this, I've got about $110 to spend on a new video card. I don't do any serious gaming (Grand Theft Auto 4 would be fun to play), What do you recommend?
[21:34] <DaemonFC> Newegg has an EVGA GTX 560 on sale for $159 with a $30 rebate
[21:34] <DaemonFC> if you can go for that, it's your best bet anywhere near that price range right now
[21:35] <DaemonFC> so it works out to $129 after you get the rebate
[21:35] <ScottyK> excellent, thanks for the info!
[21:35] <DaemonFC> but you have to make sure your system can handle it
[21:35] <DaemonFC> it requires two 6 pin adapters straight from the power supply
[21:35] <ScottyK> As luck would have it, I just bought a new PSU, and I have those
[21:36] <DaemonFC> if your power supply doesn't have two 6 pin adapters and at least 28 amps on the 12 volt rail......
[21:36] <DaemonFC> then you can get away with a RadeonHD 7770 with one 6 pin adapter or a 7750 if you don't have one at all
[21:36] <DaemonFC> those would probably be your best bets in either of those cases
[21:37] <DaemonFC> but the Geforce GTX 560 is a much much faster card than a RadeonHD 7770 and it has a much better driver
[21:37] <DaemonFC> with that rebate, it came in $20 cheaper than the 7770
[21:37] <DaemonFC> so I went ahead and upgraded my power supply to deal with it
[21:37] <DaemonFC> B-)
[21:38] <DaemonFC> that's definitely the cheapest card you're going to get with a 256 bit memory bus
[21:38] <ScottyK> excellent, off to browse Newegg for a while!
[21:39] <DaemonFC> yeah, it's a 01G-P3-1461-KR
[21:39] <DaemonFC> see if it still has the rebate for $30, if it does, that's a steal
[21:40] <DaemonFC> that card was $229 in January 2011
[21:40] <DaemonFC> if you're upgrading, it's best to give a serious look at last year's cards first
[21:41] <DaemonFC> the price sinks like a stone past the first year, and you can get something out of last year's mid range for about the same price as this year's low end cards
[21:41] <DaemonFC> and it will walk all over the low end of the new models
[21:41] <ScottyK> that's a better idea. I don't need (and can't afford) the latest and greatest. Just want something better that the on-board stuff I'm running now
[21:42] <DaemonFC> tick "Use FXAA" in the Nvidia driver settings
[21:42] <DaemonFC> it will use fast antialiasing on all OpenGL apps, including kwin
[21:42] <DaemonFC> no jaggies anywhere at all, period
[21:42] <DaemonFC> and the overhead is next to nothing
[21:45] <DaemonFC> ScottyK: I don't suggest going RadeonHD anything unless you're prepared to shell out for Graphics Core Next models, which start with the 7750
[21:46] <DaemonFC> the last series that they had before that which was worth a look was the 5000 models
[21:46] <DaemonFC> what they did to the 6670 was a crime :) (or should be)
[21:47] <DaemonFC> the 5670s all had GDDR 5 memory and they decided to saddle the 6670s with GDDR3 to slow them down to create the price point
[21:47] <DaemonFC> if you look closely, you catch them doing nasty things like that sometimes
[21:48] <DaemonFC> I'd rather have the faster memory than the faster chipset. If you use large display resolutions with slow graphics memory, you'll be really sorry.
[21:52] <skreech_> !ru
[22:16] <scarface> i am trying to unstall compiz on kubuntu but give me error....any help plz..
[22:16] <ikonia> you need to explain the error
[22:17] <scarface> ah ok i have to go now i will continue tomorow ...
[22:18] <scarface> thanks for the quiq answer...
[23:25] <eamon> noob question: Where can I get a Kubuntu Live-CD? I can only see install CDs on the downlad page - can I boot live with those?
[23:27] <Obsidian1723> yes.