[01:57] <designbybeck> So I installed Ubuntu 12.10 B2 on my 3years old Dell 10mini..... AMAZINGLY FAST!
[01:57] <designbybeck> so excited about this!!!
[01:57] <designbybeck> it is the best this has ever ran
[02:00] <designbybeck> the only odd thing I've found is no matter what i seem to play. I'm listening to Spotify right now.... but no matter what sound I play it only comes out ofthe right speaker
[02:26] <bjsnider> designbybeck, that's a new feature of the ubuntu sound server
[02:42] <IdleOne> hahaha
[02:42] <IdleOne> that can't be true
[03:22] <bjsnider> IdleOne, yeah but i like to mess with their heads by calling bugs features
[04:28] <alex_mayorga> Hello, all my folders open by default on disk analyzer =(
[04:29] <alex_mayorga> How do I make nautilus default again?
[04:29] <alex_mayorga> Does anyone know?
[04:53] <alex_mayorga> What's the default file manager on quantal?
[04:54] <alex_mayorga> Seems like nautilus is not even installed and it shows as "optional", what gives?
[04:56] <konqui> alex_mayorga: dolphin
[04:57] <konqui> Ignore that, forgot this was mainly an Ubuntu channel
[04:57] <alex_mayorga> konqui: OK, thanks
[04:58] <konqui> alex_mayorga: Dolphin is probably not the file manager on Ubuntu. I'm using Kubuntu here
[04:59] <alex_mayorga> "Nautilus is default file manager for everything now" per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[04:59] <jalcine> file manager for everything?
[04:59] <jalcine> what else can it do?
[05:00] <alex_mayorga> jalcine: I've got no idea
[05:00] <konqui> jalcine: I believe it handles files on the desktop too if I am correct
[05:00] <jalcine> and under KDE, it's either Dolphin or Gnewview
[05:00] <jalcine> that I know
[05:00] <alex_mayorga> The thing it was somehow removed from my copy of quantal =(
[05:00] <jalcine> konqui: on Ubuntu, it only views NAT/samba drives (with the extension) or drives, nothing more
[05:01] <jalcine> not as flexible and functional as Dolphin :(
[05:01] <jalcine> alex_mayorga: like in an install (apt-get) or from the CD install?
[05:01] <alex_mayorga> I wonder why "aptitude show nautilus" gives "Priority: optional"
[05:01] <jalcine> alex_mayorga: what did you install your system under?
[05:01] <konqui> jalcine: On Ubuntu it also shows icons on the desktop the reason 3.6 could not be used is it removed that feature
[05:02] <jalcine> that being the latest version?
[05:02] <konqui> jalcine: On Kubuntu Dolphin is not responsible for showing desktop icons, plasma is and Gnewview is mainly for browsing folders for images and viewing those images
[05:02] <alex_mayorga> jalcine: I  don't think I get what you meant, sorry
[05:02]  * jalcine stopped using GNOME-based Ubuntu at 11.04 :(
[05:03] <alex_mayorga> sudo apt-get install nautilus
[05:03] <alex_mayorga> that got me back my folders
[05:03] <konqui> jalcine: I just try every new release on Gnome once but have used KDE from the start before Ubuntu existed
[05:03] <alex_mayorga> Should I bug on it being "optional"?
[05:04] <jalcine> alex_mayorga: perhaps, but it might be marked as a wishlist
[05:04] <konqui> alex_mayorga: You probably installed something and apt removed it
[05:04] <jalcine> for reasons unexplained.
[05:04] <jalcine> konqui: +1
[05:04] <jalcine> konqui: I wouldn't want to have to go through the install/remove/wipe process each time :P
[05:05] <konqui> jalcine: Nah I just try every Ubuntu release on livecd ... its too slow on my netbook from 11.10 to 12.04 and KDE is fast with desktop effects like blur ... makes me wonder why Ubuntu users bash KDE for being heavy
[05:06] <jalcine> konqui: it's probably visually heavy to them.
[05:06] <jalcine> I do wish that some things about KDE could be changed.
[05:06] <jalcine> But that's going to be my vacation project.
[05:06] <jalcine> :D
[05:06] <jalcine> Like eliminating the taskbar/task management aspect of things.
[05:06] <jalcine> and just using krunner
[05:13] <alex_mayorga> I missread, nautilus is default on Ubuntu *Studio*
[05:19] <alex_mayorga> So I guess the default file manager would remain a mystery to me =)
[05:58] <omac> good evening  the os is working wonderfully.
[05:58] <omac> hats off!
[05:58] <omac> the latest update caused an error in the package manager itself, but after a package install -f and reboot, the bug went away.
[05:59] <omac> The other thing I've been wondering about is the video player. it seems like it's performing much more slowly than in pangolin.
[06:01] <omac> it's certainly not pushing the Radeon HD 7970 card to its limit.
[06:52] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: well he is usually here
[06:52] <IdleOne> he quit about 3 hours ago
[06:52] <gnomefreak> it doesnt look like he is here
[07:22] <amit> Whats the channel for 12.10
[07:22] <Guest95323> I cant connect to wifi
[07:23] <bazhang> this is it Guest95323
[07:23] <Guest95323> Where is the additional drivers settings?
[07:24] <Guest95323> bazhang, how can i install additional drivers for wifi in 12.10. It used to show automatically in 12.04 and befor
[07:24] <bazhang> what chipset
[07:25] <Guest95323> dont know exactl some sta45 i think
[07:25] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: this is the 12.10 channle. you should read the topic it should say it there
[07:26] <bazhang> Guest95323, broadcom?
[08:13] <Guest95323> bazhang, yes broadcom
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:23] <penguin42> hey
[13:53] <XVampireX> I've got another bug report, apparently, IM status keeps changing back to online for some reason, that happens in skype/empathy and generally in the messaging menu
[13:57] <kram_> hello, for some reason i can not choose gnome classic session anymore, only gnome classic (no effects) and i have to start compiz manually each time i login, any pointers?
[13:59] <jbicha> kram_: I think that's bug 1036752
[14:00] <kram_> thats another bug
[14:00] <jbicha> or bug 1052453
[14:00] <kram_> this bug implies compiz running but no plugins added ( i had that aswell)
[14:00] <kram_> my problem is, in lightdm i cannot choose the session which enables compiz
[14:00] <kram_> sec
[14:01] <kram_> sounds more like it but the session i can not click is gnome classic instead of gnome
[14:02] <user82> !info lame
[14:02] <kram_> do oyu know, by any chance, where lightdm reads the sessions from?
[14:06] <mrdeb> hello
[14:17] <mrdeb> hi
[14:57] <rymate1234> Hey
[14:57] <rymate1234> How would I go about upgrading my ubuntu 12.04 to ubuntu 12.10 eta
[14:57] <rymate1234> *beta
[14:57] <rymate1234> without reinstalling prefably
[14:59] <whitman> rymate1234, http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal-from-ubuntu-12-04/
[14:59] <agronholm> hi...having issues with kubuntu 12.10 beta 2 installer
[14:59] <agronholm> screen full of garbage after the initial menu and the KDE gear screen
[14:59] <rymate1234> kbrb
[15:00] <BluesKaj> agronholm, did you do a md5sum on the image ?
[15:00] <agronholm> no, I can do that
[15:01] <agronholm> md5sum matches
[15:01] <BluesKaj> agronholm, ok ,what kind of computer and how old is it ?
[15:02] <agronholm> it's a 2 year old HP Elitebook, don't remember exact model
[15:02] <agronholm> display controller: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [NVS 5100M] (rev a2)
[15:03] <agronholm> I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 here now
[15:03] <agronholm> no problems getting that installed iirc
[15:04] <BluesKaj> whynot upgrade thru the net ?
[15:04] <agronholm> I tried that, but it crashed
[15:04] <agronholm> and I've had severe issues with such upgrades every single time I try
[15:06] <agronholm> http://dropcanvas.com/qsqga/1
[15:06] <BluesKaj> agronholm, have you considered an alterrnate install . http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[15:07] <agronholm> I have, but this SHOULD be working with the regular install
[15:07] <agronholm> it's not like I have an exotic video controller or anything else
[15:07] <agronholm> I've yet to try regular ubuntu 12.10b2
[15:08] <BluesKaj> well, it isn't , you may have to consider the alternative ,"alternate install"
[15:09] <agronholm> I need to report this problem anyway
[15:09] <agronholm> if I don't, I can only blame myself if it's not fixed in the final
[15:10] <BluesKaj> !alternative
[15:12] <agronholm> I'll try the mainline ubuntu 12.10b2 now and see if the same problem manifests there
[15:13] <BluesKaj> so you don't need to do a totally fresh install , an upgrade will suffiice
[15:13] <agronholm> I've had issues every single time I've done that
[15:14] <agronholm> often to the point where X does not even start
[15:14] <agronholm> or that X starts but I get a garbled screen
[15:15] <BluesKaj> which graphics card?
[15:15] <agronholm> as I already mentioned, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [NVS 5100M] (rev a2)
[15:15] <agronholm> from lspci
[15:16] <BluesKaj> yeah over at #kubuntu. but it helps for others here to see it as well
[15:16] <yeats> just upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and I'm getting terrible performance (very slow unity, very low FPS on glxgears) - my card is a GeForce 9800 GTX+
[15:16] <agronholm> I did paste it here too
[15:16] <yeats> my search for relevant bugs is coming up empty
[15:17] <BluesKaj> agronholm, ok , sorry didn't see that
[15:17] <yeats> any nvidia gurus have any tips?
[15:18] <agronholm> terrible performance on unity does not really surprise me
[15:18] <agronholm> that said, I have nothing
[15:18] <BluesKaj> yeats, not a guru , but installing the nvidia-current driver solved the issue for me
[15:18] <agronholm> brb, trying ubuntu installer
[15:19] <yeats> BluesKaj: thanks - I have that installed (304.43-0ubuntu5)
[15:21] <BluesKaj> what framerate with glxgears yeats
[15:22] <BluesKaj> I get 46fps with fullscreen using the 8400gs card
[15:22] <BluesKaj> 42" Panasonic Plasma Monitor/TV
[15:23] <agronholm> yup, had the exact same problem on mainline ubuntu
[15:24] <yeats> okay - well I changed a setting in nvidia-setting (unchecked Sync to VBlank) and now the FPS is ~4500
[15:24] <yeats> but compiz is very laggy when I expand windows
[15:24] <yeats> all was fine in 12.04
[15:25] <agronholm> I'm writing the kubuntu 12.04 image on the stick to verify that this did not happen with the previous version
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yeats, I'm not familiar with Sync to VBlank , how does that seting increase the frame rate ..it doubled here after unchecking
[15:33] <agronholm> confirmed, the 12.04 kubuntu installer loads fine
[15:33] <agronholm> 12.10b2 does not
[15:34] <agronholm> where should I report this?
[15:35] <XVampireX> BluesKaj: Sync to VBlank is a setting that will smooth the performance (It will get you about 30fps all the time) and prevent tearing (You can see that in games)
[15:37] <XVampireX> BluesKaj: The other term for Sync to VBlank is VSync
[15:37] <BluesKaj> XVampireX, I just checked a .mkv video , and all seems fine without the sync to vertical blank
[15:37] <XVampireX> Not everyone needs it
[15:38] <BluesKaj> my 8400gs card just an elchaeapo on the nvidia scale of cards :)
[15:38] <XVampireX> For example I'm playing Torchlight 2 on an Intel GPU (old) and I've disabled VSync which definitely got me a few FPS more
[15:38] <XVampireX> But on a geforce 550 TI I could DEFINITELY see tearing
[15:40] <BluesKaj> well ,I'll leave it unsynced to vblank for now , just as an experiment
[15:40] <XVampireX> Alright
[15:59] <agronholm> BluesKaj: my friend tells me he has the same issues with nouveau
[16:00] <agronholm> apparently I need the "nomodeset" option during boot
[16:17] <user82> will the lenses work more "globally" in the final? ie if i search for "hedgewars" it shows me no result unless i got to the app lens
[16:18] <Daekdroom> user82, if you do have hedgewars installed, it should show you at the home lens.
[16:18] <user82> nope..i was waiting for the preview of it as suggestion to download Daekdroom
[16:19] <user82> it also did work in the app lens!
[16:19] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure whether that shows up at the home lens because I disabled download suggestions.
[16:19] <user82> but when there are no results at all in the "main" lens it would be helpful to show hedgewars from the app lens...
[16:36] <designbybeck> i had one of the 12.10 alphas... and did a disto-upgrade... would that give me Beta2 ? and if so how do i know if everything upgraded correctly?
[16:37] <Daekdroom> designbybeck, yes, and you know whether it's upgraded correctly by not having any held back package updates.
[16:37] <designbybeck> hmm ok Daekdroom I didn't seem to have had anything held back... i dno't have a restart or anything
[16:38] <designbybeck> so i guess that is good to go
[16:38] <designbybeck> Thank you Daekdroom
[16:38] <Daekdroom> designbybeck, were you upgrading packages while using Alpha?
[16:38] <designbybeck> hmmm i might have
[16:38] <designbybeck> i don't remember actaully
[16:38] <Daekdroom> You were probably already using Beta 2 then.
[16:39] <designbybeck> it is running so much better on my netbook and my under powered system no
[16:39] <designbybeck> 12.10 vs 12.04 that is
[16:40] <designbybeck> it is like night and day! I don't know how the Ubuntu team keeps doing it
[16:47] <agronholm> phoronix says opengl performance has come down...again
[16:49] <rymate1234> phoronix say a lot of things
[16:49] <agronholm> are you saying Michael is lying?
[16:53] <agronholm> well, I'm running beta 2 now, did a network upgrade after all
[16:54] <agronholm> no obvious problems so far
[16:56] <designbybeck> if OpenGL is what is making Ubuntu 12.10 Unity run...then it is not come down
[16:56] <designbybeck> cuz it is so imporoved for me
[16:56] <agronholm> that may depend on the hardware
[16:57] <agronholm> may run faster on some, slower on some
[16:57] <agronholm> what display controller do you have?
[16:57] <brandon__> I've got intel ironlake and the unity is pretty laggy
[16:58] <designbybeck> 12.10 beta 2 brandon__ ?
[16:58] <brandon__> yeah
[16:58] <brandon__> its laggy on 12.04 and 11.10 too though
[16:58] <brandon__> the dash in particular
[16:58] <designbybeck> i'm on a netbook and it is so much better than 12.04
[16:59] <brandon__> on a cold boot it takes a good 5-10 seconds for the dash to open
[16:59] <brandon__> dragging stuff from dash to launcher is very noticeably laggy
[16:59] <brandon__> no problems with kwin/plasma (even with active blur) or gnome-shell/mutter on the same hardware
[16:59] <Daekdroom> Unity 6 uses Open GL ES
[17:00] <Daekdroom> Lower performance can be attributed to the transition.
[17:00] <designbybeck> what is the ES part Daekdroom ?
[17:00] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Ah interesting, so I guess it works on some of the ARM platforms which don't do fulll GL
[17:00] <Daekdroom> penguin42, yes
[17:01] <Daekdroom> designbybeck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES
[17:01] <designbybeck> Thank you
[17:18] <spooky_ddd> Heey there. Latest beta in VM here, it keeps repeating keys erratically or eating up keeys as I type.
[17:19] <spooky_ddd> Installllllled kubuntu
[17:23] <agronholm> I had a similar problem once
[17:23] <agronholm> spooky_d: does the mouse cursor also freeze once in a while for moments at a time?
[17:23] <spooky_d> no proocess eats cpu, kwwwwin efffffectsss disablllled mousss worrks   ok
[17:24] <agronholm> then I have nothing
[17:26] <spooky_d> http://pastebin.com/X6dpEhBY ps afx
[17:29] <spooky_d> Stuff work a bit better (not perfect) after I disabled nepomuk.
[17:33] <spooky_d> noooe thaat's not it
[17:33]  * Peace- kde guy is here
[17:34] <spooky_d> http://pastebin.com/X6dpEhBY ps afx
[17:34] <spooky_d> mmmmouuse worrks   okkkkk,  nooo processs eats CPU
[18:25] <spooky_d> Hi
[18:25] <spooky_d> Problem solved. Hardware keyboard issue. It was funny because I only saw it in the VM.
[18:25] <spooky_d> switched batteries, works like a charm.
[18:26] <agronholm> right, I've experienced the same issue with a microsoft bluetooth keyboard
[18:32] <seduce1> hello. I am trying to install software from Top Rated list but Ubuntu Software Center keeps crashing continuously
[18:33] <seduce1> is there any fix for that
[18:33] <seduce1> is anyone here at all
[18:33] <seduce1> ?
[18:34] <BluesKaj> seduce1, have you tried the terminal with apt-get ?
[18:34] <Artemis3> kop, answer here
[18:34] <seduce1> no because I don't know what to install from there. I pick from USC
[18:35] <trism> seduce1: what are you trying to install and what is the error?
[18:35] <kop> Artemis3, this was a mistake while adding some fractal toys from 12.04 repositories
[18:36] <Artemis3> before that did it work? if you reinstall fresh does it work?
[18:36] <seduce1> I install different packages and the error is Ubuntu freezes and I have to hard reboot
[18:36] <kop> for now dpkg keeps returning an error on nvidia-current
[18:37] <seduce1> I am with Intel HD
[18:37] <trism> seduce1: maybe bug 1054070 but hard to say without more information
[18:37] <BluesKaj> also seduce1 , make sure you have the appropriate repositories listed , apt-get is the another package management system that uses dpkg , same goes for the software center
[18:37] <kop> worked fine until the 12.10 repositories invaded
[18:37] <Artemis3> ok then its not related to my bug, thanks
[18:38] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[18:38] <BluesKaj> seduce1,^
[18:38] <seduce1> what is there to set up
[18:38] <seduce1> I just click Install
[18:39] <BluesKaj> read the above url seduce1
[18:39] <seduce1> ok
[18:39] <kop> just to be complete I was running along fine in 12.04 when I mistakenly added a pkg from quantal just to get some fractals for terrain fill .
[18:40] <Artemis3> kop then you are not in quantal
[18:40] <kop> on reboot I first got a destroyed desktop and then a hang on gui start up after a second reboot
[18:41] <kop> lsb_release 12.10 ubuntu quantal (development branch)
[18:42] <kop> so I'm thinkin I am
[18:42] <kop> wish grub had saved the previous kernel ...
[18:42] <kop> oh well
[18:42] <Artemis3> hmm
[18:42] <kop> yeah ...
[18:42] <jtaylor> kernels don't get removed automatically
[18:43] <kop> <despises grub2
[18:43] <jtaylor> its probably still there hidden in some submenu
[18:43] <Artemis3> grub2 doesn't remove kernels either, it just hides them in a submenu (actually thats a grub system config option)
[18:43] <kop> grub doesn't list the previous pae
[18:44] <Artemis3> there should be a "previous kernel" choice or something
[18:44] <kop> see what I mean ? :-) I can look
[18:44] <kop> <--- holding shift while rebooting
[18:45] <seduce1> I read it
[18:46] <kop> just the current kernel , recovery mode and memtest
[18:46] <kop> I never learned the 1.99 cmd line
[18:47] <seduce1> as for now the problem with USC seems not solved for me. My other question is will there be difference for Intel HD with the final version of Quantal on 17 Oct or will it be the same as it is now with the Quantal Beta?
[18:47] <Daekdroom> seduce1, probably not, unless there's a important bug to be fixed.
[18:48] <seduce1> well I get black screen and I have to press Fn+Left Arrow to make it visible
[18:48] <seduce1> also connect to TV picture is flickering
[18:48] <seduce1> also when I log out it gets black and I have to power off
[18:49] <seduce1> these are problems
[18:52] <kop> well krap
[18:52] <kop> it's now stuck on stupid (fixing broken packages in recovery console )
[18:55] <seduce1> when I did terminal: ubuntu-bug and clicked Display error it said that there is problem with GPU
[18:56] <kop> seems any of the options in the recovery console hang
[18:56] <kop> I can get into a cmd line session though
[18:57] <kop> fsck even on a 500g can't take 15 min ?!
[18:59] <IdleOne> yes
[19:00] <kop> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:00] <BluesKaj> kiop is the fix done , if so hit enter
[19:01] <BluesKaj> er kop^
[19:45] <Daekdroom> Is it only here or is Ambiance for GTK2 still displaying menus in white instead of black?
[19:59] <trism> Daekdroom: if you mean light menus on gtk 2 apps and dark menus on gtk 3 then yes I see that too
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Yes that is what I mean
[22:19] <larstk> hi all
[22:19] <larstk> :)
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha larstk
[23:19] <keithclark> I have several different desktop environments installed, Gnome, Lubuntu, Xfce, but when I select them from the login Ubuntu will only start with Unity.  No matter what I try to select.  Any ideas?
[23:21] <penguin42> are you using ldm or gdm or what as the login?
[23:23] <keithclark> penguin42, gdm
[23:24] <penguin42> keithclark: Do they all look identical when you logjn or do they look different but all with the extra unity bits?
[23:26] <keithclark> penguin42, I'm not sure I understand your question.  There are about five of them listed.  I can select amongst about 3 of them, it automatically skips over the others.  I hit enter to select what I want, but Ubuntu still boots into Unity.
[23:27] <penguin42> that is odd
[23:27] <keithclark> penguin42, oh I misread your last question.  Yes, they all boot the very same.  I select Lubuntu, it boots into Unity
[23:28] <penguin42> keithclark: ok, that's pretty odd, try installing lightdm and see if it's a problem specific to gdm?
[23:28] <keithclark> I could do that.
[23:28] <penguin42> but can you bug report it, that shouldn't happen
[23:28] <keithclark> One more weird thing.  The Unity Lens does not show any application at all.  I can search for documents, but not applications.
[23:29] <keithclark> I have to start everything via command line (If I remember its name!)
[23:32] <keithclark> All in all this Beta seems really, really buggy to me.  there are also no File, Edit,Help menu at the top of the screen for any application any more.  They are not in the windows either
[23:33] <penguin42> keithclark: I'd try installing one desktop and see if it's happy 1st
[23:33] <penguin42> keithclark: One thing I've seen combining some desktops is that they sometimes save some state in the same state or you end up with background processes from multiple desktop s trying to run at once
[23:33] <keithclark> This all worked with 12.04 so I think it is the 12.10 upgrade that is at fault.  I understand this is a Beta and I'm not on my production machine.
[23:34] <penguin42> keithclark: Yeh but it should work so please bug report it
[23:36] <keithclark> Once lightdm is installed, how do I select it over gdm?
[23:41] <penguin42> hmm
[23:41] <keithclark> I found it
[23:41] <keithclark> I found it.