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designbybeckSo I installed Ubuntu 12.10 B2 on my 3years old Dell 10mini..... AMAZINGLY FAST!01:57
designbybeckso excited about this!!!01:57
designbybeckit is the best this has ever ran01:57
designbybeckthe only odd thing I've found is no matter what i seem to play. I'm listening to Spotify right now.... but no matter what sound I play it only comes out ofthe right speaker02:00
bjsniderdesignbybeck, that's a new feature of the ubuntu sound server02:26
IdleOnehahaha02:42
IdleOnethat can't be true02:42
bjsniderIdleOne, yeah but i like to mess with their heads by calling bugs features03:22
alex_mayorgaHello, all my folders open by default on disk analyzer =(04:28
alex_mayorgaHow do I make nautilus default again?04:29
alex_mayorgaDoes anyone know?04:29
alex_mayorgaWhat's the default file manager on quantal?04:53
alex_mayorgaSeems like nautilus is not even installed and it shows as "optional", what gives?04:54
konquialex_mayorga: dolphin04:56
konquiIgnore that, forgot this was mainly an Ubuntu channel04:57
alex_mayorgakonqui: OK, thanks04:57
konquialex_mayorga: Dolphin is probably not the file manager on Ubuntu. I'm using Kubuntu here04:58
alex_mayorga"Nautilus is default file manager for everything now" per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta204:59
jalcinefile manager for everything?04:59
jalcinewhat else can it do?04:59
alex_mayorgajalcine: I've got no idea05:00
konquijalcine: I believe it handles files on the desktop too if I am correct05:00
jalcineand under KDE, it's either Dolphin or Gnewview05:00
jalcinethat I know05:00
alex_mayorgaThe thing it was somehow removed from my copy of quantal =(05:00
jalcinekonqui: on Ubuntu, it only views NAT/samba drives (with the extension) or drives, nothing more05:00
jalcinenot as flexible and functional as Dolphin :(05:01
jalcinealex_mayorga: like in an install (apt-get) or from the CD install?05:01
alex_mayorgaI wonder why "aptitude show nautilus" gives "Priority: optional"05:01
jalcinealex_mayorga: what did you install your system under?05:01
konquijalcine: On Ubuntu it also shows icons on the desktop the reason 3.6 could not be used is it removed that feature05:01
jalcinethat being the latest version?05:02
konquijalcine: On Kubuntu Dolphin is not responsible for showing desktop icons, plasma is and Gnewview is mainly for browsing folders for images and viewing those images05:02
alex_mayorgajalcine: I  don't think I get what you meant, sorry05:02
* jalcine stopped using GNOME-based Ubuntu at 11.04 :(05:02
alex_mayorgasudo apt-get install nautilus05:03
alex_mayorgathat got me back my folders05:03
konquijalcine: I just try every new release on Gnome once but have used KDE from the start before Ubuntu existed05:03
alex_mayorgaShould I bug on it being "optional"?05:03
jalcinealex_mayorga: perhaps, but it might be marked as a wishlist05:04
konquialex_mayorga: You probably installed something and apt removed it05:04
jalcinefor reasons unexplained.05:04
jalcinekonqui: +105:04
jalcinekonqui: I wouldn't want to have to go through the install/remove/wipe process each time :P05:04
konquijalcine: Nah I just try every Ubuntu release on livecd ... its too slow on my netbook from 11.10 to 12.04 and KDE is fast with desktop effects like blur ... makes me wonder why Ubuntu users bash KDE for being heavy05:05
jalcinekonqui: it's probably visually heavy to them.05:06
jalcineI do wish that some things about KDE could be changed.05:06
jalcineBut that's going to be my vacation project.05:06
jalcine:D05:06
jalcineLike eliminating the taskbar/task management aspect of things.05:06
jalcineand just using krunner05:06
alex_mayorgaI missread, nautilus is default on Ubuntu *Studio*05:13
alex_mayorgaSo I guess the default file manager would remain a mystery to me =)05:19
omacgood evening  the os is working wonderfully.05:58
omachats off!05:58
omacthe latest update caused an error in the package manager itself, but after a package install -f and reboot, the bug went away.05:58
omacThe other thing I've been wondering about is the video player. it seems like it's performing much more slowly than in pangolin.05:59
omacit's certainly not pushing the Radeon HD 7970 card to its limit.06:01
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IdleOnegnomefreak: well he is usually here06:52
IdleOnehe quit about 3 hours ago06:52
gnomefreakit doesnt look like he is here06:52
amitWhats the channel for 12.1007:22
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Guest95323I cant connect to wifi07:22
bazhangthis is it Guest9532307:23
Guest95323Where is the additional drivers settings?07:23
Guest95323bazhang, how can i install additional drivers for wifi in 12.10. It used to show automatically in 12.04 and befor07:24
bazhangwhat chipset07:24
Guest95323dont know exactl some sta45 i think07:25
gnomefreakAmaranth: this is the 12.10 channle. you should read the topic it should say it there07:25
bazhangGuest95323, broadcom?07:26
Guest95323bazhang, yes broadcom08:13
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BluesKajHiyas all13:22
penguin42hey13:23
XVampireXI've got another bug report, apparently, IM status keeps changing back to online for some reason, that happens in skype/empathy and generally in the messaging menu13:53
kram_hello, for some reason i can not choose gnome classic session anymore, only gnome classic (no effects) and i have to start compiz manually each time i login, any pointers?13:57
jbichakram_: I think that's bug 103675213:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1036752 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "[quantal] [regression] Gnome Classic has no compiz plugins loaded" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103675213:59
kram_thats another bug14:00
jbichaor bug 105245314:00
kram_this bug implies compiz running but no plugins added ( i had that aswell)14:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1052453 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu Quantal) "Cannot click other sessions in unity-greeter" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105245314:00
kram_my problem is, in lightdm i cannot choose the session which enables compiz14:00
kram_sec14:00
kram_sounds more like it but the session i can not click is gnome classic instead of gnome14:01
user82!info lame14:02
ubottulame (source: lame): MP3 encoding library (frontend). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.99.5+repack1-3 (quantal), package size 52 kB, installed size 146 kB14:02
kram_do oyu know, by any chance, where lightdm reads the sessions from?14:02
mrdebhello14:06
mrdebhi14:17
rymate1234Hey14:57
rymate1234How would I go about upgrading my ubuntu 12.04 to ubuntu 12.10 eta14:57
rymate1234*beta14:57
rymate1234without reinstalling prefably14:57
whitmanrymate1234, http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/06/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-10-quantal-quetzal-from-ubuntu-12-04/14:59
agronholmhi...having issues with kubuntu 12.10 beta 2 installer14:59
agronholmscreen full of garbage after the initial menu and the KDE gear screen14:59
rymate1234kbrb14:59
BluesKajagronholm, did you do a md5sum on the image ?15:00
agronholmno, I can do that15:00
agronholmmd5sum matches15:01
BluesKajagronholm, ok ,what kind of computer and how old is it ?15:01
agronholmit's a 2 year old HP Elitebook, don't remember exact model15:02
agronholmdisplay controller: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [NVS 5100M] (rev a2)15:02
agronholmI'm running Kubuntu 12.04 here now15:03
agronholmno problems getting that installed iirc15:03
BluesKajwhynot upgrade thru the net ?15:04
agronholmI tried that, but it crashed15:04
agronholmand I've had severe issues with such upgrades every single time I try15:04
agronholmhttp://dropcanvas.com/qsqga/115:06
BluesKajagronholm, have you considered an alterrnate install . http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/15:06
agronholmI have, but this SHOULD be working with the regular install15:07
agronholmit's not like I have an exotic video controller or anything else15:07
agronholmI've yet to try regular ubuntu 12.10b215:07
BluesKajwell, it isn't , you may have to consider the alternative ,"alternate install"15:08
agronholmI need to report this problem anyway15:09
agronholmif I don't, I can only blame myself if it's not fixed in the final15:09
BluesKaj!alternative15:10
ubottuThe Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal15:10
agronholmI'll try the mainline ubuntu 12.10b2 now and see if the same problem manifests there15:12
BluesKajso you don't need to do a totally fresh install , an upgrade will suffiice15:13
agronholmI've had issues every single time I've done that15:13
agronholmoften to the point where X does not even start15:14
agronholmor that X starts but I get a garbled screen15:14
BluesKajwhich graphics card?15:15
agronholmas I already mentioned, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [NVS 5100M] (rev a2)15:15
agronholmfrom lspci15:15
BluesKajyeah over at #kubuntu. but it helps for others here to see it as well15:16
yeatsjust upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 and I'm getting terrible performance (very slow unity, very low FPS on glxgears) - my card is a GeForce 9800 GTX+15:16
agronholmI did paste it here too15:16
yeatsmy search for relevant bugs is coming up empty15:16
BluesKajagronholm, ok , sorry didn't see that15:17
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yeatsany nvidia gurus have any tips?15:17
agronholmterrible performance on unity does not really surprise me15:18
agronholmthat said, I have nothing15:18
BluesKajyeats, not a guru , but installing the nvidia-current driver solved the issue for me15:18
agronholmbrb, trying ubuntu installer15:18
yeatsBluesKaj: thanks - I have that installed (304.43-0ubuntu5)15:19
BluesKajwhat framerate with glxgears yeats15:21
BluesKajI get 46fps with fullscreen using the 8400gs card15:22
BluesKaj42" Panasonic Plasma Monitor/TV15:22
agronholmyup, had the exact same problem on mainline ubuntu15:23
yeatsokay - well I changed a setting in nvidia-setting (unchecked Sync to VBlank) and now the FPS is ~450015:24
yeatsbut compiz is very laggy when I expand windows15:24
yeatsall was fine in 12.0415:24
agronholmI'm writing the kubuntu 12.04 image on the stick to verify that this did not happen with the previous version15:25
BluesKajyeats, I'm not familiar with Sync to VBlank , how does that seting increase the frame rate ..it doubled here after unchecking15:30
agronholmconfirmed, the 12.04 kubuntu installer loads fine15:33
agronholm12.10b2 does not15:33
agronholmwhere should I report this?15:34
XVampireXBluesKaj: Sync to VBlank is a setting that will smooth the performance (It will get you about 30fps all the time) and prevent tearing (You can see that in games)15:35
XVampireXBluesKaj: The other term for Sync to VBlank is VSync15:37
BluesKajXVampireX, I just checked a .mkv video , and all seems fine without the sync to vertical blank15:37
XVampireXNot everyone needs it15:37
BluesKajmy 8400gs card just an elchaeapo on the nvidia scale of cards :)15:38
XVampireXFor example I'm playing Torchlight 2 on an Intel GPU (old) and I've disabled VSync which definitely got me a few FPS more15:38
XVampireXBut on a geforce 550 TI I could DEFINITELY see tearing15:38
BluesKajwell ,I'll leave it unsynced to vblank for now , just as an experiment15:40
XVampireXAlright15:40
agronholmBluesKaj: my friend tells me he has the same issues with nouveau15:59
agronholmapparently I need the "nomodeset" option during boot16:00
user82will the lenses work more "globally" in the final? ie if i search for "hedgewars" it shows me no result unless i got to the app lens16:17
Daekdroomuser82, if you do have hedgewars installed, it should show you at the home lens.16:18
user82nope..i was waiting for the preview of it as suggestion to download Daekdroom16:18
user82it also did work in the app lens!16:19
DaekdroomI'm not sure whether that shows up at the home lens because I disabled download suggestions.16:19
user82but when there are no results at all in the "main" lens it would be helpful to show hedgewars from the app lens...16:19
designbybecki had one of the 12.10 alphas... and did a disto-upgrade... would that give me Beta2 ? and if so how do i know if everything upgraded correctly?16:36
Daekdroomdesignbybeck, yes, and you know whether it's upgraded correctly by not having any held back package updates.16:37
designbybeckhmm ok Daekdroom I didn't seem to have had anything held back... i dno't have a restart or anything16:37
designbybeckso i guess that is good to go16:38
designbybeckThank you Daekdroom16:38
Daekdroomdesignbybeck, were you upgrading packages while using Alpha?16:38
designbybeckhmmm i might have16:38
designbybecki don't remember actaully16:38
DaekdroomYou were probably already using Beta 2 then.16:38
designbybeckit is running so much better on my netbook and my under powered system no16:39
designbybeck12.10 vs 12.04 that is16:39
designbybeckit is like night and day! I don't know how the Ubuntu team keeps doing it16:40
agronholmphoronix says opengl performance has come down...again16:47
rymate1234phoronix say a lot of things16:49
agronholmare you saying Michael is lying?16:49
agronholmwell, I'm running beta 2 now, did a network upgrade after all16:53
agronholmno obvious problems so far16:54
designbybeckif OpenGL is what is making Ubuntu 12.10 Unity run...then it is not come down16:56
designbybeckcuz it is so imporoved for me16:56
agronholmthat may depend on the hardware16:56
agronholmmay run faster on some, slower on some16:57
agronholmwhat display controller do you have?16:57
brandon__I've got intel ironlake and the unity is pretty laggy16:57
designbybeck12.10 beta 2 brandon__ ?16:58
brandon__yeah16:58
brandon__its laggy on 12.04 and 11.10 too though16:58
brandon__the dash in particular16:58
designbybecki'm on a netbook and it is so much better than 12.0416:58
brandon__on a cold boot it takes a good 5-10 seconds for the dash to open16:59
brandon__dragging stuff from dash to launcher is very noticeably laggy16:59
brandon__no problems with kwin/plasma (even with active blur) or gnome-shell/mutter on the same hardware16:59
DaekdroomUnity 6 uses Open GL ES16:59
DaekdroomLower performance can be attributed to the transition.17:00
designbybeckwhat is the ES part Daekdroom ?17:00
penguin42Daekdroom: Ah interesting, so I guess it works on some of the ARM platforms which don't do fulll GL17:00
Daekdroompenguin42, yes17:00
Daekdroomdesignbybeck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES17:01
designbybeckThank you17:01
spooky_dddHeey there. Latest beta in VM here, it keeps repeating keys erratically or eating up keeys as I type.17:18
spooky_dddInstallllllled kubuntu17:19
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agronholmI had a similar problem once17:23
agronholmspooky_d: does the mouse cursor also freeze once in a while for moments at a time?17:23
spooky_dno proocess eats cpu, kwwwwin efffffectsss disablllled mousss worrks   ok17:23
agronholmthen I have nothing17:24
spooky_dhttp://pastebin.com/X6dpEhBY ps afx17:26
spooky_dStuff work a bit better (not perfect) after I disabled nepomuk.17:29
spooky_dnoooe thaat's not it17:33
* Peace- kde guy is here17:33
spooky_dhttp://pastebin.com/X6dpEhBY ps afx17:34
spooky_dmmmmouuse worrks   okkkkk,  nooo processs eats CPU17:34
spooky_dHi18:25
spooky_dProblem solved. Hardware keyboard issue. It was funny because I only saw it in the VM.18:25
spooky_dswitched batteries, works like a charm.18:25
agronholmright, I've experienced the same issue with a microsoft bluetooth keyboard18:26
seduce1hello. I am trying to install software from Top Rated list but Ubuntu Software Center keeps crashing continuously18:32
seduce1is there any fix for that18:33
seduce1is anyone here at all18:33
seduce1?18:33
BluesKajseduce1, have you tried the terminal with apt-get ?18:34
Artemis3kop, answer here18:34
seduce1no because I don't know what to install from there. I pick from USC18:34
trismseduce1: what are you trying to install and what is the error?18:35
kopArtemis3, this was a mistake while adding some fractal toys from 12.04 repositories18:35
Artemis3before that did it work? if you reinstall fresh does it work?18:36
seduce1I install different packages and the error is Ubuntu freezes and I have to hard reboot18:36
kopfor now dpkg keeps returning an error on nvidia-current18:36
seduce1I am with Intel HD18:37
trismseduce1: maybe bug 1054070 but hard to say without more information18:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1054070 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center-dbus crashed with MemoryError in _dump_bsddbm_for_unity(): (12, 'Cannot allocate memory -- Lock table is out of available locker entries')" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105407018:37
BluesKajalso seduce1 , make sure you have the appropriate repositories listed , apt-get is the another package management system that uses dpkg , same goes for the software center18:37
kopworked fine until the 12.10 repositories invaded18:37
Artemis3ok then its not related to my bug, thanks18:37
BluesKaj!repositories18:38
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories18:38
BluesKajseduce1,^18:38
seduce1what is there to set up18:38
seduce1I just click Install18:38
BluesKajread the above url seduce118:39
seduce1ok18:39
kopjust to be complete I was running along fine in 12.04 when I mistakenly added a pkg from quantal just to get some fractals for terrain fill .18:39
Artemis3kop then you are not in quantal18:40
kopon reboot I first got a destroyed desktop and then a hang on gui start up after a second reboot18:40
koplsb_release 12.10 ubuntu quantal (development branch)18:41
kopso I'm thinkin I am18:42
kopwish grub had saved the previous kernel ...18:42
kopoh well18:42
Artemis3hmm18:42
kopyeah ...18:42
jtaylorkernels don't get removed automatically18:42
kop<despises grub218:43
jtaylorits probably still there hidden in some submenu18:43
Artemis3grub2 doesn't remove kernels either, it just hides them in a submenu (actually thats a grub system config option)18:43
kopgrub doesn't list the previous pae18:43
Artemis3there should be a "previous kernel" choice or something18:44
kopsee what I mean ? :-) I can look18:44
kop<--- holding shift while rebooting18:44
seduce1I read it18:45
kopjust the current kernel , recovery mode and memtest18:46
kopI never learned the 1.99 cmd line18:46
seduce1as for now the problem with USC seems not solved for me. My other question is will there be difference for Intel HD with the final version of Quantal on 17 Oct or will it be the same as it is now with the Quantal Beta?18:47
Daekdroomseduce1, probably not, unless there's a important bug to be fixed.18:47
seduce1well I get black screen and I have to press Fn+Left Arrow to make it visible18:48
seduce1also connect to TV picture is flickering18:48
seduce1also when I log out it gets black and I have to power off18:48
seduce1these are problems18:49
kopwell krap18:52
kopit's now stuck on stupid (fixing broken packages in recovery console )18:52
seduce1when I did terminal: ubuntu-bug and clicked Display error it said that there is problem with GPU18:55
kopseems any of the options in the recovery console hang18:56
kopI can get into a cmd line session though18:56
kopfsck even on a 500g can't take 15 min ?!18:57
IdleOneyes18:59
kopgrrrrrrrrrrrrr19:00
BluesKajkiop is the fix done , if so hit enter19:00
BluesKajer kop^19:01
DaekdroomIs it only here or is Ambiance for GTK2 still displaying menus in white instead of black?19:45
trismDaekdroom: if you mean light menus on gtk 2 apps and dark menus on gtk 3 then yes I see that too19:59
DaekdroomYes that is what I mean19:59
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larstkhi all22:19
larstk:)22:19
MrChrisDruifAloha larstk22:22
keithclarkI have several different desktop environments installed, Gnome, Lubuntu, Xfce, but when I select them from the login Ubuntu will only start with Unity.  No matter what I try to select.  Any ideas?23:19
penguin42are you using ldm or gdm or what as the login?23:21
keithclarkpenguin42, gdm23:23
penguin42keithclark: Do they all look identical when you logjn or do they look different but all with the extra unity bits?23:24
keithclarkpenguin42, I'm not sure I understand your question.  There are about five of them listed.  I can select amongst about 3 of them, it automatically skips over the others.  I hit enter to select what I want, but Ubuntu still boots into Unity.23:26
penguin42that is odd23:27
keithclarkpenguin42, oh I misread your last question.  Yes, they all boot the very same.  I select Lubuntu, it boots into Unity23:27
penguin42keithclark: ok, that's pretty odd, try installing lightdm and see if it's a problem specific to gdm?23:28
keithclarkI could do that.23:28
penguin42but can you bug report it, that shouldn't happen23:28
keithclarkOne more weird thing.  The Unity Lens does not show any application at all.  I can search for documents, but not applications.23:28
keithclarkI have to start everything via command line (If I remember its name!)23:29
keithclarkAll in all this Beta seems really, really buggy to me.  there are also no File, Edit,Help menu at the top of the screen for any application any more.  They are not in the windows either23:32
penguin42keithclark: I'd try installing one desktop and see if it's happy 1st23:33
penguin42keithclark: One thing I've seen combining some desktops is that they sometimes save some state in the same state or you end up with background processes from multiple desktop s trying to run at once23:33
keithclarkThis all worked with 12.04 so I think it is the 12.10 upgrade that is at fault.  I understand this is a Beta and I'm not on my production machine.23:33
penguin42keithclark: Yeh but it should work so please bug report it23:34
keithclarkOnce lightdm is installed, how do I select it over gdm?23:36
penguin42hmm23:41
keithclarkI found it23:41
keithclarkI found it.23:41

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