| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| snwh | I think fedora is taking the chance that none of us will talk about fedora. ;) | 15:57 |
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| me4oslav | So - mhall119, here? | 15:58 |
| snwh | me4oslav he's out raising money for charity. | 15:58 |
| me4oslav | snwh - Ahh, today is the day for that? | 15:58 |
| snwh | No, Oct. 4. but they have to get the money first. | 15:59 |
| me4oslav | snwh - I see, anyway, you saw this, right? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/PmtcGT1cCrD | 16:00 |
| snwh | m4oslav I have | 16:05 |
| snwh | me4oslav* | 16:05 |
| me4oslav | snwh - so, we can start doing the basic questionary? | 16:06 |
| snwh-phone | me4oslav yes | 16:06 |
| me4oslav | snwh-phone snwh - So, target audience - what kind of people will use this app? For what OS it will be built? To which HIG it has to stick? | 16:07 |
| snwh-phone | Every kind of people me4oslav. And i assume given Michael hall came up with the idea we ought to develop for Ubuntu | 16:08 |
| snwh-phone | It is note taking. I personally dont use note apps though haha | 16:09 |
| snwh | agreed | 16:10 |
| me4oslav | snwh-phone snwh So we need an application that will be designed for Ubuntu and should be target at mass audience of users? | 16:11 |
| snwh | we shouldn't limit our audience. but target the average user; ease of use ought to be a priority | 16:13 |
| snwh | ubuntu is the safe ground given the user base percentage | 16:13 |
| snwh | it can be ported down the road. | 16:13 |
| me4oslav | snwh - So, we need Menubar => appmenu => hud. Unity integration. Sticking to Ubuntu's HIG (e.g. sticking to the thing that doesn't exist) :) | 16:14 |
| me4oslav | at the _very least_ | 16:14 |
| snwh | me4oslav we ought to build a stable app. then integrate it | 16:16 |
| me4oslav | snwh - Yup. Now we need Michael here :) To give us access to his balsamiq sketches :) | 16:16 |
| snwh | not sacrificing stability for integration | 16:16 |
| snwh | very | 16:16 |
| snwh | I ought to use a different nickname for my snwh-phone to make it look like some agrees with me all the time. | 16:17 |
| me4oslav | snwh :D Now we gotta have a look at some other note taking apps | 16:18 |
| snwh | me4oslav at least we have his g+ post | 16:18 |
| snwh | Tomboy, Gnote.. | 16:18 |
| snwh | lets not use Mono haha | 16:18 |
| me4oslav | snwh - Have you seen "The Board" | 16:18 |
| snwh | don't like it | 16:18 |
| me4oslav | Why :) | 16:19 |
| me4oslav | snwh - No Mono, there isn't a Mono GTK 3 binding | 16:20 |
| snwh | me4oslav -don't like cork | 16:20 |
| snwh | :P | 16:20 |
| me4oslav | the apps need to be GTK 3 | 16:20 |
| snwh | me4oslav what if we made an app that would occupy a workspace and act much like a "widget board" | 16:20 |
| snwh | me4oslav - i know i was just taking a jab at mono | 16:21 |
| snwh | to emulate Mac OS for a moment. | 16:21 |
| me4oslav | :D snwh - I like the idea of Interactive app. Some people might kill us for being slightly inconsistent, but damn it - Lightread did won the app-showdown | 16:22 |
| me4oslav | did win* | 16:22 |
| snwh | we might be being too ambitious, haha | 16:23 |
| me4oslav | swnh - Have you seen Postman app? | 16:23 |
| snwh | for iphone? | 16:23 |
| me4oslav | snwh - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/postman-photo-uploader-adds-google-picasa-support | 16:24 |
| snwh | so... garish... ugh | 16:24 |
| me4oslav | snwh - I meant the behaviour - drag and drop and etc... | 16:25 |
| snwh | yes that | 16:25 |
| me4oslav | obviously it looks out of place with the current graphics they used | 16:25 |
| snwh | here's a picture, link, shorcut document... | 16:25 |
| snwh | drag to our app and it's posted | 16:25 |
| snwh | on this "board" | 16:26 |
| snwh | what if Ubuntu had that built in... | 16:26 |
| snwh | we ought to propose this for 13.04 :P | 16:27 |
| me4oslav | snwh - So we need some "desk space" to were to stick the notes | 16:27 |
| me4oslav | snwh - some idea how to come up with pretty and usable d'n'd UX | 16:28 |
| snwh | yes. another icon like the workspace unity one that you can drag stuff too like a pin board | 16:28 |
| snwh | "Unity Pin Board" haha | 16:28 |
| me4oslav | snwh - categorization for the "Desk space" (by date, by type ....) and a pretty design for the desk space texture | 16:29 |
| snwh | and it could open a fullscreen app that mimics the Dash | 16:29 |
| snwh | (I love brainstorming) | 16:30 |
| me4oslav | snwh - we need Fullscreen UX? :) Lets leave that aside for now | 16:30 |
| snwh | me4oslav - it could be part of unity | 16:31 |
| me4oslav | snwh - regarding the integration with services, what else do we need except Ubuntu one? And yes - Unity lens is needed | 16:31 |
| snwh | me4oslav -what if it was just a lens? | 16:31 |
| snwh | a notes lens | 16:32 |
| me4oslav | snwh - people will take our ribcages out. Lens won't quite cut it, not powerful enough | 16:32 |
| snwh | let me mock up my idea | 16:33 |
| me4oslav | snwh - OK | 16:33 |
| snwh | me4oslav - ill do that later | 16:35 |
| me4oslav | snwh - OK :) I will just think of d'n'd UX | 16:36 |
| snwh | dnd? | 16:36 |
| me4oslav | drag and drop | 16:36 |
| snwh | yea | 16:36 |
| snwh | given the unity trash has drag and drop. if somehow we could emulate that -but not send to trash but send it to this app | 16:37 |
| snwh | Write a note > drag it to the launcher icon - it's posted on our app UI | 16:38 |
| * me4oslav is just thinking ... randomly, but still :D | 16:39 | |
| snwh | "Oh I'm in chrome, i like this website" drag the url > the app creates a favourite link. | 16:39 |
| snwh | me4oslav drag and drop text of any sort | 16:40 |
| snwh | and it could parse urls from plain text | 16:40 |
| snwh | and make either a note or a link | 16:40 |
| snwh | for later | 16:41 |
| me4oslav | snwh - use cases aside ... I am just thinking about the UI of the d'n'd Obviously we need URL d'n'd et all | 16:41 |
| * snwh is over brainstorming | 16:42 | |
| snwh | me4oslav - i'll come back to earth | 16:42 |
| snwh | mhall119 mentioned wanted stacking or rolling of notes | 16:43 |
| me4oslav | snwh - define "stacking and rolling notes" | 16:44 |
| snwh | me4oslav, as you would have a stack of notes that are similar in subject or etc. | 16:45 |
| snwh | in his mockups he had a "note roll" | 16:45 |
| snwh | and the notes within it | 16:45 |
| me4oslav | snwh - categorization? I mentioned that at the beginning :) | 16:45 |
| snwh | me4oslav it's not categorization per se | 16:45 |
| me4oslav | snwh - then? | 16:47 |
| snwh | me4oslav if it were categorized it would be user defined. | 16:47 |
| snwh | no pre-existing categories except maybe time | 16:48 |
| me4oslav | snwh - aha, I figured it out. Now back to d'n'd | 16:50 |
| snwh | me4oslav - drag-n-drop should be straight forward enough | 16:53 |
| me4oslav | snwh - you're such a captain obvious :D | 16:53 |
| snwh | me4oslav -what are you envisioning? | 16:54 |
| * snwh is such a Captain Obvious | 16:55 | |
| me4oslav | snwh - "a la Postaman", but tons prettier (the one in there is *ugly*) | 16:55 |
| snwh | me4oslav - yes. no skeuomorphism | 16:56 |
| me4oslav | snwh - HA! :P | 16:57 |
| me4oslav | snwh - so d'n'd - we have to use the mouse acceleration, so our d'n'd bar has to be at the bottom (I think) | 16:58 |
| me4oslav | "bar" | 16:59 |
| snwh | me4oslav Postman is making me cringe | 16:59 |
| snwh | stamps | 17:00 |
| me4oslav | snwh - that's why I said ours needs to be _better_ | 17:00 |
| snwh | me4oslav - i think if it were along the lines of The Board | 17:01 |
| me4oslav | snwh - I am thinking of "bar" at the bottom of the "desk space" with monochrome transparent icons of the services provided there | 17:04 |
| me4oslav | when the users starts dragging the icons become 100% opaque and when you go with the note over one of them it enlarges | 17:04 |
| me4oslav | snwh - just a very early idea, might suck for all I know :D | 17:05 |
| snwh | me4oslav - why not just have autoupload to services | 17:06 |
| snwh | or Sync with Ubuntu One | 17:06 |
| me4oslav | snwh - what other service do we need, but UbuntuOne? | 17:07 |
| snwh | none haha | 17:07 |
| me4oslav | mine would work with at least 5, with just one it sucks | 17:07 |
| snwh | but notes are temporary things | 17:07 |
| snwh | just having them upload to all sorts of services seems pointless. | 17:08 |
| snwh | syncronizing across ubuntu machines on the other hand is something else. | 17:08 |
| snwh | me4oslav - how i think of a note system is something you want to remind you for a little while or to keep for a bit but throw out eventually. So turnover of content would be high | 17:10 |
| snwh | uploading to picasa, gdocs, flickr, etc. wouldnt ideal since youd just flood it with stuff | 17:11 |
| snwh | anything seriously worth uploading theyd use a different app for. | 17:12 |
| me4oslav | snwh - so we need _only_ Ubuntu One syncing? | 17:12 |
| snwh | or dropbox perhaps | 17:12 |
| snwh | we could focus on U1 | 17:13 |
| me4oslav | dropbox has Notes syncing? | 17:13 |
| snwh | file syncing | 17:13 |
| snwh | a folder of txt files called notes or something | 17:13 |
| me4oslav | that's terrible Dropbox hack. Don't like it | 17:14 |
| snwh | U1 | 17:14 |
| snwh | thats what my phone does for photos: A folder called Camera Uploads | 17:14 |
| snwh | and for U1 if i wanted | 17:15 |
| me4oslav | so, I will just scrap the off-going OTB UX | 17:17 |
| me4oslav | we just need ingoing | 17:17 |
| snwh | you create a note in our app > it creates a text file in a folder that syncronizes with ubuntu one > on another machine with u1 and our app the txt file is synced and our app read the folder when its ran and it appears within the app interface | 17:18 |
| snwh | wehn opened | 17:18 |
| snwh | we'd have a daemon that checks periodically for changes | 17:18 |
| me4oslav | what if the the suer doesn't want auto-sync? | 17:19 |
| snwh | then they disable it | 17:19 |
| snwh | it'd be an opt-in feature of course | 17:19 |
| me4oslav | Which would break our hall interactive UX | 17:19 |
| snwh | the interactivity would be the adding of content to the app | 17:20 |
| === kamil_ is now known as kamilnadeem | ||
| kamilnadeem | :-) | 17:20 |
| snwh | via dnd | 17:20 |
| kamilnadeem | Hi Everyone | 17:20 |
| me4oslav | hi, kamil | 17:20 |
| snwh | hello | 17:21 |
| kamilnadeem | Where has the discussion reached? | 17:21 |
| kamilnadeem | snwh: Hi | 17:21 |
| snwh | a crossroads | 17:21 |
| snwh | I joke :P | 17:21 |
| me4oslav | anyway, snwh - the ingoing D'n'd is pretty straightforward | 17:21 |
| snwh | me4oslav - yes | 17:22 |
| me4oslav | the stacking, categorization are up to be. You can take care of the background deisgn and the notes sheets | 17:22 |
| me4oslav | design | 17:22 |
| kamilnadeem | I saw *hall post about it earlier(Anonymity of the person must be kept me4oslav for those who don't know yet right? | 17:23 |
| me4oslav | what's bugging me is the the Ubuntu syncing. I am not willing to leave that not-interactive - snwh | 17:23 |
| me4oslav | kamilnadeem - Ehh? | 17:23 |
| kamilnadeem | Nothing | 17:24 |
| snwh | me4oslav well it could be: a note stack that is synced | 17:24 |
| snwh | others wouldnt be | 17:25 |
| me4oslav | snwh - and the user will know this how? | 17:25 |
| snwh | have the top most note have a U1 logo | 17:26 |
| me4oslav | and when its synced - its Orange, when not its grey-ed out? | 17:26 |
| kamilnadeem | Makes sense | 17:26 |
| snwh | sure | 17:27 |
| me4oslav | kamilnadeem - I will post the logs on Google+ :) | 17:27 |
| me4oslav | (and twitter) | 17:27 |
| me4oslav | so, snwh - so here is what we will do - A) Find a dev (we can't code it to save your lives) | 17:27 |
| snwh | thered be the user defined stacks and the U1 stack would appear if the user chooses to enable u1 syncing | 17:28 |
| kamilnadeem | good, I will be off then. | 17:28 |
| snwh | if we keep the "desk" metaphor | 17:28 |
| me4oslav | you start mockuping stuff, I will start sketching tomorrow | 17:28 |
| me4oslav | yup - if we keep the "interactivness" | 17:28 |
| me4oslav | veness* | 17:28 |
| snwh | i can picture it | 17:29 |
| snwh | ugh I wish i hadnt lost my tablet pen | 17:29 |
| me4oslav | snwh - yes, just come up with *pretty* background and notes design | 17:29 |
| me4oslav | we don't want "a la Postman" and "a la Board" uglyness | 17:29 |
| me4oslav | :) | 17:29 |
| snwh | we could have a pinboard metaphor | 17:30 |
| me4oslav | we _ need_ that :) ^^ | 17:30 |
| snwh | but note look like one | 17:30 |
| snwh | we should call it Pinboard | 17:30 |
| snwh | haha | 17:30 |
| me4oslav | or Agnetha xD | 17:30 |
| snwh | what does mpt say about silly names :P | 17:30 |
| me4oslav | but srsly, I'm not naming stuff, I would come with something atrociously bizarre | 17:30 |
| me4oslav | probably named after some god | 17:31 |
| me4oslav | you come up with a sane name | 17:31 |
| snwh | Pinboard is sane | 17:31 |
| snwh | and it sort of says what it does | 17:31 |
| me4oslav | good enough for me :) | 17:31 |
| snwh | i like one word things | 17:31 |
| snwh | simplicity | 17:32 |
| snwh | easy package name to sudo apt-get | 17:32 |
| me4oslav | like "Files" ... /trolllface | 17:32 |
| snwh | hahah | 17:32 |
| snwh | still nautilus in packagename | 17:32 |
| snwh | haha | 17:32 |
| snwh | shall i create the launchpad project? | 17:32 |
| me4oslav | damn, even Athena is better name than Files and that means a thing or two :D | 17:33 |
| snwh | but it doesnt really say what the app does | 17:33 |
| me4oslav | I think the dev should create one | 17:33 |
| snwh | "Do you use Athena?" "What?" | 17:33 |
| snwh | The "pinboard team" can be assigned as a driver | 17:34 |
| me4oslav | snwh - TBF I wanted to name it Drawer, Ikey said that it mean "underwear", than he said "Apollo", than "athena" | 17:34 |
| snwh | and all on that can access | 17:34 |
| me4oslav | anyway - Pinboard it is | 17:34 |
| snwh | :) | 17:35 |
| snwh | i can start all the launchpad stuff. | 17:35 |
| me4oslav | ok, start drawing stuff :) I will take care of the dialogs sketches tmrw (that's one me, don't wanna abuse ya) | 17:35 |
| snwh | I will. I'll create the team and the project and you can join on Lp | 17:36 |
| me4oslav | kk :) I just hope our mysterious dev agrees with us ... oh well, he will have no chance - MWUBUHAHA | 17:37 |
| snwh | haha | 17:38 |
| snwh | well if people like the idea hopefully theyll contribute | 17:38 |
| me4oslav | I will make sure the mockups end on OMG! | 17:39 |
| me4oslav | :) | 17:39 |
| me4oslav | end up* | 17:39 |
| me4oslav | you just make sure they are extremely pretty :) I will start sketching tmrw :) | 17:40 |
| snwh | me4oslav - go join: https://launchpad.net/~pinboard-drivers | 17:41 |
| me4oslav | -drivers? That's the team, right? | 17:42 |
| snwh | yes | 17:42 |
| me4oslav | PHEW | 17:42 |
| snwh | me4oslav - summarize our app | 17:42 |
| snwh | the tilde indicates a team or user :P | 17:43 |
| me4oslav | can I use "sexy" :D | 17:43 |
| snwh | in more than 1 word | 17:43 |
| snwh | what is our project purpose | 17:43 |
| me4oslav | Yeah ... I know. Just let me clean it from British stuff xP | 17:44 |
| me4oslav | Pinboard is user-friendly note organizing application build. Built with interactiveness in mind it provides the user with easy to use workflow to organize your notes. | 17:48 |
| me4oslav | something like this | 17:48 |
| me4oslav | snwh ^^ | 17:49 |
| snwh | build? | 17:49 |
| me4oslav | ... grammar ... blah :D | 17:50 |
| snwh | A simple easy-to-use application for quickly placing daily photos, video, audio, text, and more. Think of it as a combination note-taking space and organizer. | 17:50 |
| snwh | is what i put in | 17:50 |
| snwh | and i see i left out a comma | 17:50 |
| me4oslav | "Think" is too intimidating | 17:51 |
| me4oslav | consider might be better | 17:51 |
| me4oslav | and are we doing photos and stuff? The poor dev will die before he codes our design :D | 17:51 |
| snwh | well a text file is no more difficult to organize as a jpg or whatever :P | 17:53 |
| me4oslav | unless syncing | 17:53 |
| me4oslav | imagine how much API the dev will have to support | 17:53 |
| snwh | just u1 | 17:54 |
| snwh | or... | 17:54 |
| me4oslav | no picasa and stuff? That would be kinda dick-ish | 17:54 |
| snwh | they have shotwell for that | 17:54 |
| me4oslav | my point is - if we're extending we should extend it properly :) | 17:55 |
| me4oslav | _I believe_ | 17:55 |
| snwh | thats not extension its just adding support for more than just text | 17:55 |
| snwh | heres a photo on the pinboard its synced to the other pinboard, but its not opened with pinboard | 17:56 |
| snwh | its still eog, shotwell, vlc, etc | 17:56 |
| snwh | but pinboard can open notes | 17:56 |
| me4oslav | so, just U1 at the beggining and if we add more services I will add off-going d'n'd UX and the dev will add the API stuff? | 17:57 |
| snwh | i wouldnt add more services. | 17:58 |
| snwh | or we could scrap the photos videos etc. | 17:58 |
| snwh | its a place to pin things you like | 17:58 |
| snwh | and pin notes | 17:58 |
| me4oslav | imagine what the users would think (on OMG) - omg guys, you just love Canonical only ... no other services, but Ubuntu One ... | 17:59 |
| snwh | you cant unsync from picasa | 17:59 |
| me4oslav | oh damn Picasa API ... ;s | 17:59 |
| snwh | i dont see us as a photo managment app | 18:00 |
| snwh | i think of it as a software pinboard haha | 18:00 |
| snwh | reciepts, notes, family photo, video links, webpages... | 18:00 |
| me4oslav | well, if the users don't get irky I don't care for anything, but UbuntuOne | 18:00 |
| snwh | we could do dropbox | 18:01 |
| snwh | no.. | 18:01 |
| me4oslav | lets stick to Ubuntu for v1 | 18:01 |
| snwh | i take that back | 18:01 |
| snwh | yes | 18:01 |
| snwh | in my head i see: app window: with a toolbar (like usc) and an interface with notes and photos and such | 18:02 |
| snwh | the user can drag and move around, stack | 18:03 |
| me4oslav | toolbar? what will be in it (we haven't though of that, we only did "desk space") | 18:03 |
| snwh | we could have no tool bar | 18:03 |
| me4oslav | toolbar would be good ... if we had no intearactivitiness | 18:04 |
| me4oslav | but we do | 18:04 |
| snwh | yea scrap the toolbar | 18:05 |
| me4oslav | kk, start ur mockup magic | 18:07 |
| snwh | will do | 18:07 |
| snwh | but first: need to get a shower | 18:08 |
| snwh | and a coffee | 18:08 |
| === capisce_ is now known as capisce | ||
| me4oslav | okey-dokey | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | me4oslav: snwh: I appreciate all your brainstorming, but reading the backlog I'm concerned about the scope of your designs | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | it seems you're planning a lot more than I was | 18:14 |
| me4oslav | mhall119 - yeah, we went *wild* the hard part will be the d'n'd the rest should be easy | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | my physical metaphor is a roll of paper, like the thermal paper used in receipt printers, where I have one "roll" for something like my daily conversations with jono, and every day I pull up that "roll" and add more notes to it | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | I'm not interested in pinning, photos, or dnd | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | just a scrollable text note with timestamps that I can easily go to | 18:16 |
| me4oslav | You shouldn't have said that we have all the design freedom on G+ ... we just went giddy on power | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | everything else sounds great, and probably somebody would want it, but it's not what I need | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | you have the design power, but you still have to meet the client's needs, right? ;) | 18:17 |
| me4oslav | the developer skills :) The clients would hardly dislike what we have in mind, just worried it its code-able easy enough :) | 18:18 |
| markus__ | hi guys: according to http://askubuntu.com/questions/162788/when-will-the-applications-submitted-to-the-ubuntu-app-showdown-be-available-for all apps of the ubuntu app showdown should be in the market. Mine isn't although it's bugfree; and got updates. I asked in "my apps" a month ago about any status and still no answer! | 18:23 |
| markus__ | whom do I have to write / shout at; so that the app will get into software center? | 18:24 |
| markus__ | it's now nearly 3months in review :/ | 18:25 |
| me4oslav | markus__ I think you should talk to mhall119 | 18:25 |
| markus__ | another person who will ignore my app. Sry, but I'm quite disappointed; a friend and me did put 100hours of time and energy into the project, which we developed just for Ubuntu. | 18:26 |
| snwh | me4oslav mhall119 - yea we may have gotten a bit carried away with the idea. | 18:27 |
| me4oslav | snwh ... "A bit" ... huh ... a lot :D But _if_ its get real, it would be *rad* | 18:27 |
| snwh | me4oslav we can put it on the back burner and make the note app that mhall119 has in mind | 18:28 |
| me4oslav | snwh - or do both :P | 18:28 |
| me4oslav | :) | 18:28 |
| snwh | me4oslav I prefer concentrating at one thing time | 18:29 |
| me4oslav | I say we finish off Michael's first, then we do ours :) | 18:29 |
| snwh | agreed | 18:29 |
| snwh | mhall119, would the stack of notes be a better metaphor than a roll of notes? because i just picture a roll of (bank)notes with rubber band | 18:30 |
| snwh | actually the more i think about the reciept thing. i get what your saying | 18:32 |
| snwh | me4oslav - his app idea might be simple enough for me to code. haha | 18:34 |
| snwh | but ill leave it up to someone better. | 18:35 |
| me4oslav | snwh - :D That's the spirit ... screw code :P | 18:35 |
| snwh | me4oslav but i like code.. | 18:35 |
| me4oslav | NO! xD | 18:36 |
| snwh | me4oslav I can still like it. i wont do it. | 18:36 |
| IDWMaster | Hi. Is there a "getting started" guide somewhere for GUI C++ apps? | 18:37 |
| IDWMaster | I do have experience with C++ on Windows, but would like to port some stuff to Ubuntu. | 18:37 |
| IDWMaster | The app I'm porting also makes use of cryptography by the way; AES to be specific. Should I be concerned about Endianess issues when porting or anything? | 18:39 |
| IDWMaster | Anyone here? | 18:44 |
| IDWMaster | Hi | 19:11 |
| IDWMaster | Connection went down earlier | 19:11 |
| IDWMaster | I have a library I would like to port to Linux and would like to know if there's a "getting started guide" for C++ development on Linux | 19:12 |
| IDWMaster | I'm already familiar with standard library functions and stuff, but would like to do GUI development | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | IDWMaster: sorry, I don't know any C++ | 19:24 |
| mhall119 | you can probably find some general C++ on Linux tutorials | 19:24 |
| mhall119 | I can point you at C++ examples for integrating with the Unity desktop, but I don't know any "getting started" kinds | 19:24 |
| IDWMaster | Samples for integrating with the XServer would be useful | 19:26 |
| IDWMaster | I don't want to make users run only Unity though | 19:26 |
| IDWMaster | What about users with KDE? | 19:26 |
| IDWMaster | I know on Windows you would use CreateWindow and such to create windows | 19:27 |
| IDWMaster | On Linux it seems like it's more specific to the individual desktop manageres | 19:27 |
| IDWMaster | *managers | 19:27 |
| mhall119 | IDWMaster: generally you don't interface directly with X, you use a toolkit like Qt or Gtk instead, which does that for you | 19:28 |
| IDWMaster | OK | 19:29 |
| IDWMaster | So I should check out the docs for Gtk or similar library? | 19:29 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 19:29 |
| IDWMaster | OK | 19:29 |
| IDWMaster | Aside from UI most of the stuff is porting nicely by the way | 19:30 |
| mhall119 | Gtk is more oriented towards C, Qt is written in C++, but you can interchange them | 19:30 |
| IDWMaster | I've been able to just copy-paste a lot of code | 19:30 |
| IDWMaster | I'm used to C-oriented APIs | 19:30 |
| IDWMaster | I'm sure anything is better than Win32 | 19:30 |
| mhall119 | cool, yeah if you write standards-compliant code it'll be mostly portable | 19:30 |
| IDWMaster | Only thing that wasn't portable was the UI, cryptography, and some macros | 19:30 |
| IDWMaster | Visual Studio has non-standards-compliant macro support | 19:30 |
| mhall119 | well it doesn't use hungarian notation, so that's a +1 in my opinion | 19:30 |
| IDWMaster | Hungarian notation? | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | the letter in front of variables/classes identifying the type | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation | 19:31 |
| IDWMaster | Ah | 19:32 |
| IDWMaster | I've written compilers/languages that used that before, but I didn't know it was called that until now | 19:32 |
| IDWMaster | Easier on the compiler that way | 19:33 |
| IDWMaster | Although now they've become so advanced it's not necessary anymore | 19:33 |
| mhall119 | I doubt the compiler takes that into consideration | 19:33 |
| mhall119 | it was more for the developer's benefit | 19:33 |
| IDWMaster | Ah | 19:34 |
| IDWMaster | I see | 19:34 |
| IDWMaster | I was thinking of | 19:34 |
| IDWMaster | long long somelong = Lliteral | 19:34 |
| IDWMaster | long long somelong = Lliteral; | 19:34 |
| IDWMaster | Prefixing the L before a literal to identify its type to the compiler | 19:35 |
| IDWMaster | I've written compilers where you would place a L, I, B, C, LL, D, or F before a literal value | 19:36 |
| mhall119 | I've seen if after, where 1.0l means "a long integer of value 1.0" | 19:36 |
| mhall119 | of 1.0f for a floating point | 19:36 |
| IDWMaster | Yeah. I've seen that too | 19:37 |
| IDWMaster | Putting it before makes it easier to write an actual parser though | 19:37 |
| IDWMaster | Because you know what the value is supposed to be by first reading the prefix before it, so then you know which appropriate value parser to use | 19:37 |
| IDWMaster | Is Endianness on Linux different than on Windows? | 19:38 |
| IDWMaster | Need to go now | 19:40 |
| IDWMaster | I'll be on here later! | 19:40 |
| mhall119 | I thought endianness was arch specific | 19:40 |
| mhall119 | ok | 19:40 |
| IDWMaster | Some OSs can switch though | 19:40 |
| mhall119 | ah, I don't know the answer to that one, sorry | 19:41 |
| IDWMaster | A lot of CPUs have a "endianness mode switch" | 19:41 |
| me4oslav | mhall119 snwh - I will watch DrWho now and then we can talk about the simpler note reading app :) | 20:01 |
| mhall119 | me4oslav: just don't talk about DrWho, it doesn't air here for another 5 hours | 20:02 |
| mhall119 | snwh: your donation put us over 1500 pounds! Thanks so much! | 20:02 |
| me4oslav | mhall119 ha, I wont :P I will have to download it, through, UK proxies screw up even by 50 mbps net speed ... | 20:03 |
| snwh | mhall119 - my pleasure :) | 20:07 |
| snwh | me4oslav mhall119 - may or may not be around later for that discussion | 20:13 |
| cwayne | hello, anyone around? | 20:30 |
| cwayne | does anyone know what the standard timeout for unity search is? | 21:59 |
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