[15:57] <snwh> I think fedora is taking the chance that none of us will talk about fedora. ;)
[15:58] <me4oslav> So - mhall119, here?
[15:58] <snwh> me4oslav he's out raising money for charity.
[15:58] <me4oslav> snwh - Ahh, today is the day for that?
[15:59] <snwh> No, Oct. 4. but they have to get the money first.
[16:00] <me4oslav> snwh - I see, anyway, you saw this, right? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/PmtcGT1cCrD
[16:05] <snwh> m4oslav I have
[16:05] <snwh> me4oslav*
[16:06] <me4oslav> snwh - so, we can start doing the basic questionary?
[16:06] <snwh-phone> me4oslav yes
[16:07] <me4oslav> snwh-phone snwh - So, target audience - what kind of people will use this app? For what OS it will be built? To which HIG it has to stick?
[16:08] <snwh-phone> Every kind of people me4oslav. And i assume given Michael hall came up with the idea we ought to develop for Ubuntu
[16:09] <snwh-phone> It is note taking. I personally dont use note apps though haha
[16:10] <snwh> agreed
[16:11] <me4oslav> snwh-phone snwh So we need an application that will be designed for Ubuntu and should be target at mass audience of users?
[16:13] <snwh> we shouldn't limit our audience. but target the average user; ease of use ought to be a priority
[16:13] <snwh> ubuntu is the safe ground given the user base percentage
[16:13] <snwh> it can be ported down the road.
[16:14] <me4oslav> snwh - So, we need Menubar => appmenu => hud. Unity integration. Sticking to Ubuntu's HIG (e.g. sticking to the thing that doesn't exist) :)
[16:14] <me4oslav> at the _very least_
[16:16] <snwh> me4oslav we ought to build a stable app. then integrate it
[16:16] <me4oslav> snwh - Yup. Now we need Michael here :) To give us access to his balsamiq sketches :)
[16:16] <snwh> not sacrificing stability for integration
[16:16] <snwh> very
[16:17] <snwh> I ought to use a different nickname for my snwh-phone to make it look like some agrees with me all the time.
[16:18] <me4oslav> snwh :D Now we gotta have a look at some other note taking apps
[16:18] <snwh> me4oslav at least we have his g+ post
[16:18] <snwh> Tomboy, Gnote..
[16:18] <snwh> lets not use Mono haha
[16:18] <me4oslav> snwh - Have you seen "The Board"
[16:18] <snwh> don't like it
[16:19] <me4oslav> Why :)
[16:20] <me4oslav> snwh - No Mono, there isn't a Mono GTK 3 binding
[16:20] <snwh> me4oslav -don't like cork
[16:20] <snwh> :P
[16:20] <me4oslav> the apps need to be GTK 3
[16:20] <snwh> me4oslav what if we made an app that would occupy a workspace and act much like a "widget board"
[16:21] <snwh> me4oslav - i know i was just taking a jab at mono
[16:21] <snwh> to emulate Mac OS for a moment.
[16:22] <me4oslav> :D snwh - I like the idea of Interactive app. Some people might kill us for being slightly inconsistent, but damn it - Lightread did won the app-showdown
[16:22] <me4oslav> did win*
[16:23] <snwh> we might be being too ambitious, haha
[16:23] <me4oslav> swnh - Have you seen Postman app?
[16:23] <snwh> for iphone?
[16:24] <me4oslav> snwh - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/postman-photo-uploader-adds-google-picasa-support
[16:24] <snwh> so... garish... ugh
[16:25] <me4oslav> snwh - I meant the behaviour - drag and drop and etc...
[16:25] <snwh> yes that
[16:25] <me4oslav> obviously it looks out of place with the current graphics they used
[16:25] <snwh> here's a picture, link, shorcut document...
[16:25] <snwh> drag to our app and it's posted
[16:26] <snwh> on this "board"
[16:26] <snwh> what if Ubuntu had that built in...
[16:27] <snwh> we ought to propose this for 13.04 :P
[16:27] <me4oslav> snwh - So we need some "desk space" to were to stick the notes
[16:28] <me4oslav> snwh - some idea how to come up with pretty and usable d'n'd UX
[16:28] <snwh> yes. another icon like the workspace unity one that you can drag stuff too like a pin board
[16:28] <snwh> "Unity Pin Board" haha
[16:29] <me4oslav> snwh - categorization for the "Desk space" (by date, by type ....) and a pretty design for the desk space texture
[16:29] <snwh> and it could open a fullscreen app that mimics the Dash
[16:30] <snwh> (I love brainstorming)
[16:30] <me4oslav> snwh - we need Fullscreen UX? :) Lets leave that aside for now
[16:31] <snwh> me4oslav - it could be part of unity
[16:31] <me4oslav> snwh - regarding the integration with services, what else do we need except Ubuntu one? And yes - Unity lens is needed
[16:31] <snwh> me4oslav -what if it was just a lens?
[16:32] <snwh> a notes lens
[16:32] <me4oslav> snwh - people will take our ribcages out. Lens won't quite cut it, not powerful enough
[16:33] <snwh> let me mock up my idea
[16:33] <me4oslav> snwh - OK
[16:35] <snwh> me4oslav - ill do that later
[16:36] <me4oslav> snwh - OK :) I will just think of d'n'd UX
[16:36] <snwh> dnd?
[16:36] <me4oslav> drag and drop
[16:36] <snwh> yea
[16:37] <snwh> given the unity trash has drag and drop. if somehow we could emulate that -but not send to trash but send it to this app
[16:38] <snwh> Write a note > drag it to the launcher icon - it's posted on our app UI
[16:39]  * me4oslav is just thinking ... randomly, but still :D
[16:39] <snwh> "Oh I'm in chrome, i like this website" drag the url > the app creates a favourite link.
[16:40] <snwh> me4oslav drag and drop text of any sort
[16:40] <snwh> and it could parse urls from plain text
[16:40] <snwh> and make either a note or a link
[16:41] <snwh> for later
[16:41] <me4oslav> snwh - use cases aside ... I am just thinking about the UI of the d'n'd Obviously we need URL d'n'd et all
[16:42]  * snwh is over brainstorming
[16:42] <snwh> me4oslav - i'll come back to earth
[16:43] <snwh> mhall119 mentioned wanted stacking or rolling of notes
[16:44] <me4oslav> snwh - define "stacking and rolling notes"
[16:45] <snwh> me4oslav, as you would have a stack of notes that are similar in subject or etc.
[16:45] <snwh> in his mockups he had a "note roll"
[16:45] <snwh> and the notes within it
[16:45] <me4oslav> snwh - categorization? I mentioned that at the beginning  :)
[16:45] <snwh> me4oslav it's not categorization per se
[16:47] <me4oslav> snwh - then?
[16:47] <snwh> me4oslav if it were categorized it would be user defined.
[16:48] <snwh> no pre-existing categories except maybe time
[16:50] <me4oslav> snwh - aha, I figured it out. Now back to d'n'd
[16:53] <snwh> me4oslav - drag-n-drop should be straight forward enough
[16:53] <me4oslav> snwh - you're such a captain obvious :D
[16:54] <snwh> me4oslav -what are you envisioning?
[16:55]  * snwh is such a Captain Obvious
[16:55] <me4oslav> snwh - "a la Postaman", but tons prettier (the one in there is *ugly*)
[16:56] <snwh> me4oslav - yes. no skeuomorphism
[16:57] <me4oslav> snwh - HA! :P
[16:58] <me4oslav> snwh - so d'n'd - we have to use the mouse acceleration, so our d'n'd bar has to be at the bottom (I think)
[16:59] <me4oslav> "bar"
[16:59] <snwh> me4oslav Postman is making me cringe
[17:00] <snwh> stamps
[17:00] <me4oslav> snwh - that's why I said ours needs to be _better_
[17:01] <snwh> me4oslav - i think if it were along the lines of The Board
[17:04] <me4oslav> snwh - I am thinking of "bar" at the bottom of the "desk space" with monochrome transparent icons of the services provided there
[17:04] <me4oslav> when the users starts dragging the icons become 100% opaque and when you go with the note over one of them it enlarges
[17:05] <me4oslav> snwh - just a very early idea, might suck for all I know :D
[17:06] <snwh> me4oslav - why not just have autoupload to services
[17:06] <snwh> or Sync with Ubuntu One
[17:07] <me4oslav> snwh - what other service do we need, but UbuntuOne?
[17:07] <snwh> none haha
[17:07] <me4oslav> mine would work with at least 5, with just one it sucks
[17:07] <snwh> but notes are temporary things
[17:08] <snwh> just having them upload to all sorts of services seems pointless.
[17:08] <snwh> syncronizing across ubuntu machines on the other hand is something else.
[17:10] <snwh> me4oslav - how i think of a note system is something you want to remind you for a little while or to keep for a bit but throw out eventually. So turnover of content would be high
[17:11] <snwh> uploading to picasa, gdocs, flickr, etc. wouldnt ideal since youd just flood it with stuff
[17:12] <snwh> anything seriously worth uploading theyd use a different app for.
[17:12] <me4oslav> snwh - so we need _only_ Ubuntu One syncing?
[17:12] <snwh> or dropbox perhaps
[17:13] <snwh> we could focus on U1
[17:13] <me4oslav> dropbox has Notes syncing?
[17:13] <snwh> file syncing
[17:13] <snwh> a folder of txt files called notes or something
[17:14] <me4oslav> that's terrible Dropbox hack. Don't like it
[17:14] <snwh> U1
[17:14] <snwh> thats what my phone does for photos: A folder called Camera Uploads
[17:15] <snwh> and for U1 if i wanted
[17:17] <me4oslav> so, I will just scrap the off-going OTB UX
[17:17] <me4oslav> we just need ingoing
[17:18] <snwh> you create a note in our app > it creates a text file in a folder that syncronizes with ubuntu one > on another machine with u1 and our app the txt file is synced and our app read the folder when its ran and it appears within the app interface
[17:18] <snwh> wehn opened
[17:18] <snwh> we'd have a daemon that checks periodically for changes
[17:19] <me4oslav> what if the the suer doesn't want auto-sync?
[17:19] <snwh> then they disable it
[17:19] <snwh> it'd be an opt-in feature of course
[17:19] <me4oslav> Which would break our hall interactive UX
[17:20] <snwh> the interactivity would be the adding of content to the app
[17:20] <kamilnadeem> :-)
[17:20] <snwh> via dnd
[17:20] <kamilnadeem> Hi Everyone
[17:20] <me4oslav> hi, kamil
[17:21] <snwh> hello
[17:21] <kamilnadeem> Where has the discussion reached?
[17:21] <kamilnadeem> snwh: Hi
[17:21] <snwh> a crossroads
[17:21] <snwh> I joke :P
[17:21] <me4oslav> anyway, snwh - the ingoing D'n'd is pretty straightforward
[17:22] <snwh> me4oslav - yes
[17:22] <me4oslav> the stacking, categorization are up to be. You can take care of the background deisgn and the notes sheets
[17:22] <me4oslav> design
[17:23] <kamilnadeem> I saw *hall post about it earlier(Anonymity of the person must be kept me4oslav for those who don't know yet right?
[17:23] <me4oslav> what's bugging me is the the Ubuntu syncing. I am not willing to leave that not-interactive - snwh
[17:23] <me4oslav> kamilnadeem - Ehh?
[17:24] <kamilnadeem> Nothing
[17:24] <snwh> me4oslav well it could be: a note stack that is synced
[17:25] <snwh> others wouldnt be
[17:25] <me4oslav> snwh - and the user will know this how?
[17:26] <snwh> have the top most note have a U1 logo
[17:26] <me4oslav> and when its synced - its Orange, when not its grey-ed out?
[17:26] <kamilnadeem> Makes sense
[17:27] <snwh> sure
[17:27] <me4oslav> kamilnadeem - I will post the logs on Google+ :)
[17:27] <me4oslav> (and twitter)
[17:27] <me4oslav> so, snwh - so here is what we will do - A) Find a dev (we can't code it to save your lives)
[17:28] <snwh> thered be the user defined stacks and the U1 stack would appear if the user chooses to enable u1 syncing
[17:28] <kamilnadeem> good, I will be off then.
[17:28] <snwh> if we keep the "desk" metaphor
[17:28] <me4oslav> you start mockuping stuff, I will start sketching tomorrow
[17:28] <me4oslav> yup - if we keep the "interactivness"
[17:28] <me4oslav> veness*
[17:29] <snwh> i can picture it
[17:29] <snwh> ugh I wish i hadnt lost my tablet pen
[17:29] <me4oslav> snwh - yes, just come up with *pretty* background and notes design
[17:29] <me4oslav> we don't want "a la Postman" and "a la Board" uglyness
[17:29] <me4oslav> :)
[17:30] <snwh> we could have a pinboard metaphor
[17:30] <me4oslav> we _ need_ that :) ^^
[17:30] <snwh> but note look like one
[17:30] <snwh> we should call it Pinboard
[17:30] <snwh> haha
[17:30] <me4oslav> or Agnetha xD
[17:30] <snwh> what does mpt say about silly names :P
[17:30] <me4oslav> but srsly, I'm not naming stuff, I would come with something atrociously bizarre
[17:31] <me4oslav> probably named after some god
[17:31] <me4oslav> you come up with a sane name
[17:31] <snwh> Pinboard is sane
[17:31] <snwh> and it sort of says what it does
[17:31] <me4oslav> good enough for me :)
[17:31] <snwh> i like one word things
[17:32] <snwh> simplicity
[17:32] <snwh> easy package name to sudo apt-get
[17:32] <me4oslav> like "Files" ... /trolllface
[17:32] <snwh> hahah
[17:32] <snwh> still nautilus in packagename
[17:32] <snwh> haha
[17:32] <snwh> shall i create the launchpad project?
[17:33] <me4oslav> damn, even Athena is better name than Files and that means a thing or two :D
[17:33] <snwh> but it doesnt really say what the app does
[17:33] <me4oslav> I think the dev should create one
[17:33] <snwh> "Do you use Athena?" "What?"
[17:34] <snwh> The "pinboard team" can be assigned as a driver
[17:34] <me4oslav> snwh - TBF I wanted to name it Drawer, Ikey said that it mean "underwear", than he said "Apollo", than "athena"
[17:34] <snwh> and all on that can access
[17:34] <me4oslav> anyway - Pinboard it is
[17:35] <snwh> :)
[17:35] <snwh> i can start all the launchpad stuff.
[17:35] <me4oslav> ok, start drawing stuff :) I will take care of the dialogs sketches tmrw (that's one me, don't wanna abuse ya)
[17:36] <snwh> I will. I'll create the team and the project and you can join on Lp
[17:37] <me4oslav> kk :) I just hope our mysterious dev agrees with us ... oh well, he will have no chance - MWUBUHAHA
[17:38] <snwh> haha
[17:38] <snwh> well if people like the idea hopefully theyll contribute
[17:39] <me4oslav> I will make sure the mockups end on OMG!
[17:39] <me4oslav> :)
[17:39] <me4oslav> end up*
[17:40] <me4oslav> you just make sure they are extremely pretty :) I will start sketching tmrw :)
[17:41] <snwh> me4oslav - go join: https://launchpad.net/~pinboard-drivers
[17:42] <me4oslav> -drivers? That's the team, right?
[17:42] <snwh> yes
[17:42] <me4oslav> PHEW
[17:42] <snwh> me4oslav - summarize our app
[17:43] <snwh> the tilde indicates a team or user :P
[17:43] <me4oslav> can I use "sexy" :D
[17:43] <snwh> in more than 1 word
[17:43] <snwh> what is our project purpose
[17:44] <me4oslav> Yeah ... I know. Just let me clean it from British stuff xP
[17:48] <me4oslav> Pinboard is user-friendly note organizing application build. Built with interactiveness in mind it provides the user with easy to use workflow to organize your notes.
[17:48] <me4oslav> something like this
[17:49] <me4oslav> snwh ^^
[17:49] <snwh> build?
[17:50] <me4oslav> ... grammar ... blah :D
[17:50] <snwh> A simple easy-to-use application for quickly placing daily photos, video, audio, text, and more. Think of it as a combination note-taking space and organizer.
[17:50] <snwh> is what i put in
[17:50] <snwh> and i see i left out a comma
[17:51] <me4oslav> "Think" is too intimidating
[17:51] <me4oslav> consider might be better
[17:51] <me4oslav> and are we doing photos and stuff? The poor dev will die before he codes our design :D
[17:53] <snwh> well a text file is no more difficult to organize as a jpg or whatever :P
[17:53] <me4oslav> unless syncing
[17:53] <me4oslav> imagine how much API the dev will have to support
[17:54] <snwh> just u1
[17:54] <snwh> or...
[17:54] <me4oslav> no picasa and stuff? That would be kinda dick-ish
[17:54] <snwh> they have shotwell for that
[17:55] <me4oslav> my point is - if we're extending we should extend it properly :)
[17:55] <me4oslav> _I believe_
[17:55] <snwh> thats not extension its just adding support for more than just text
[17:56] <snwh> heres a photo on the pinboard its synced to the other pinboard, but its not opened with pinboard
[17:56] <snwh> its still eog, shotwell, vlc, etc
[17:56] <snwh> but pinboard can open notes
[17:57] <me4oslav> so, just U1 at the beggining and if we add more services I will add off-going d'n'd UX and the dev will add the API stuff?
[17:58] <snwh> i wouldnt add more services.
[17:58] <snwh> or we could scrap the photos videos etc.
[17:58] <snwh> its a place to pin things you like
[17:58] <snwh> and pin notes
[17:59] <me4oslav> imagine what the users would think (on OMG) - omg guys, you just love Canonical only ... no other services, but Ubuntu One ...
[17:59] <snwh> you cant unsync from picasa
[17:59] <me4oslav> oh damn Picasa API ... ;s
[18:00] <snwh> i dont see us as a photo managment app
[18:00] <snwh> i think of it as a software pinboard haha
[18:00] <snwh> reciepts, notes, family photo, video links, webpages...
[18:00] <me4oslav> well, if the users don't get irky I don't care for anything, but UbuntuOne
[18:01] <snwh> we could do dropbox
[18:01] <snwh> no..
[18:01] <me4oslav> lets stick to Ubuntu for v1
[18:01] <snwh> i take that back
[18:01] <snwh> yes
[18:02] <snwh> in my head i see: app window: with a toolbar (like usc) and an interface with notes and photos and such
[18:03] <snwh> the user can drag and move around, stack
[18:03] <me4oslav> toolbar? what will be in it (we haven't though of that, we only did "desk space")
[18:03] <snwh> we could have no tool bar
[18:04] <me4oslav> toolbar would be good ... if we had no intearactivitiness
[18:04] <me4oslav> but we do
[18:05] <snwh> yea scrap the toolbar
[18:07] <me4oslav> kk, start ur mockup magic
[18:07] <snwh> will do
[18:08] <snwh> but first: need to get a shower
[18:08] <snwh> and a coffee
[18:11] <me4oslav> okey-dokey
[18:13] <mhall119> me4oslav: snwh: I appreciate all your brainstorming, but reading the backlog I'm concerned about the scope of your designs
[18:14] <mhall119> it seems you're planning a lot more than I was
[18:15] <me4oslav> mhall119 - yeah, we went *wild* the hard part will be the d'n'd the rest should be easy
[18:15] <mhall119> my physical metaphor is a roll of paper, like the thermal paper used in receipt printers, where I have one "roll" for something like my daily conversations with jono, and every day I pull up that "roll" and add more notes to it
[18:15] <mhall119> I'm not interested in pinning, photos, or dnd
[18:16] <mhall119> just a scrollable text note with timestamps that I can easily go to
[18:16] <me4oslav> You shouldn't have said that we have all the design freedom on G+ ... we just went giddy on power
[18:16] <mhall119> everything else sounds great, and probably somebody would want it, but it's not what I need
[18:17] <mhall119> you have the design power, but you still have to meet the client's needs, right? ;)
[18:18] <me4oslav> the developer skills :) The clients would hardly dislike what we have in mind, just worried it its code-able easy enough :)
[18:23] <markus__> hi guys: according to http://askubuntu.com/questions/162788/when-will-the-applications-submitted-to-the-ubuntu-app-showdown-be-available-for all apps of the ubuntu app showdown should be in the market. Mine isn't although it's bugfree; and got updates. I asked in "my apps" a month ago about any status and still no answer!
[18:24] <markus__> whom do I have to write / shout at; so that the app will get into software center?
[18:25] <markus__> it's now nearly 3months in review :/
[18:25] <me4oslav> markus__ I think you should talk to mhall119
[18:26] <markus__> another person who will ignore my app. Sry, but I'm quite disappointed; a friend and me did put 100hours of time and energy into the project, which we developed just for Ubuntu.
[18:27] <snwh> me4oslav mhall119 - yea we may have gotten a bit carried away with the idea.
[18:27] <me4oslav> snwh ... "A bit" ... huh ... a lot :D But _if_ its get real, it would be *rad*
[18:28] <snwh> me4oslav we can put it on the back burner and make the note app that mhall119 has in mind
[18:28] <me4oslav> snwh - or do both :P
[18:28] <me4oslav> :)
[18:29] <snwh> me4oslav I prefer concentrating at one thing time
[18:29] <me4oslav> I say we finish off Michael's first, then we do ours :)
[18:29] <snwh> agreed
[18:30] <snwh> mhall119, would the stack of notes be a better metaphor than a roll of notes? because i just picture a roll of (bank)notes with rubber band
[18:32] <snwh> actually the more i think about the reciept thing. i get what your saying
[18:34] <snwh> me4oslav - his app idea might be simple enough for me to code. haha
[18:35] <snwh> but ill leave it up to someone better.
[18:35] <me4oslav> snwh - :D That's the spirit ... screw code :P
[18:35] <snwh> me4oslav but i like code..
[18:36] <me4oslav> NO! xD
[18:36] <snwh> me4oslav I can still like it. i wont do it.
[18:37] <IDWMaster> Hi. Is there a "getting started" guide somewhere for GUI C++ apps?
[18:37] <IDWMaster> I do have experience with C++ on Windows, but would like to port some stuff to Ubuntu.
[18:39] <IDWMaster> The app I'm porting also makes use of cryptography by the way; AES to be specific. Should I be concerned about Endianess issues when porting or anything?
[18:44] <IDWMaster> Anyone here?
[19:11] <IDWMaster> Hi
[19:11] <IDWMaster> Connection went down earlier
[19:12] <IDWMaster> I have a library I would like to port to Linux and would like to know if there's a "getting started guide" for C++ development on Linux
[19:12] <IDWMaster> I'm already familiar with standard library functions and stuff, but would like to do GUI development
[19:24] <mhall119> IDWMaster: sorry, I don't know any C++
[19:24] <mhall119> you can probably find some general C++ on Linux tutorials
[19:24] <mhall119> I can point you at C++ examples for integrating with the Unity desktop, but I don't know any "getting started" kinds
[19:26] <IDWMaster> Samples for integrating with the XServer would be useful
[19:26] <IDWMaster> I don't want to make users run only Unity though
[19:26] <IDWMaster> What about users with KDE?
[19:27] <IDWMaster> I know on Windows you would use CreateWindow and such to create windows
[19:27] <IDWMaster> On Linux it seems like it's more specific to the individual desktop manageres
[19:27] <IDWMaster> *managers
[19:28] <mhall119> IDWMaster: generally you don't interface directly with X, you use a toolkit like Qt or Gtk instead, which does that for you
[19:29] <IDWMaster> OK
[19:29] <IDWMaster> So I should check out the docs for Gtk or similar library?
[19:29] <mhall119> yeah
[19:29] <IDWMaster> OK
[19:30] <IDWMaster> Aside from UI most of the stuff is porting nicely by the way
[19:30] <mhall119> Gtk is more oriented towards C, Qt is written in C++, but you can interchange them
[19:30] <IDWMaster> I've been able to just copy-paste a lot of code
[19:30] <IDWMaster> I'm used to C-oriented APIs
[19:30] <IDWMaster> I'm sure anything is better than Win32
[19:30] <mhall119> cool, yeah if you write standards-compliant code it'll be mostly portable
[19:30] <IDWMaster> Only thing that wasn't portable was the UI, cryptography, and some macros
[19:30] <IDWMaster> Visual Studio has non-standards-compliant macro support
[19:30] <mhall119> well it doesn't use hungarian notation, so that's a +1 in my opinion
[19:31] <IDWMaster> Hungarian notation?
[19:31] <mhall119> the letter in front of variables/classes identifying the type
[19:31] <mhall119> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation
[19:32] <IDWMaster> Ah
[19:32] <IDWMaster> I've written compilers/languages that used that before, but I didn't know it was called that until now
[19:33] <IDWMaster> Easier on the compiler that way
[19:33] <IDWMaster> Although now they've become so advanced it's not necessary anymore
[19:33] <mhall119> I doubt the compiler takes that into consideration
[19:33] <mhall119> it was more for the developer's benefit
[19:34] <IDWMaster> Ah
[19:34] <IDWMaster> I see
[19:34] <IDWMaster> I was thinking of
[19:34] <IDWMaster> long long somelong = Lliteral
[19:34] <IDWMaster> long long somelong = Lliteral;
[19:35] <IDWMaster> Prefixing the L before a literal to identify its type to the compiler
[19:36] <IDWMaster> I've written compilers where you would place a L, I, B, C, LL, D, or F before a literal value
[19:36] <mhall119> I've seen if after, where 1.0l means "a long integer of value 1.0"
[19:36] <mhall119> of 1.0f for a floating point
[19:37] <IDWMaster> Yeah. I've seen that too
[19:37] <IDWMaster> Putting it before makes it easier to write an actual parser though
[19:37] <IDWMaster> Because you know what the value is supposed to be by first reading the prefix before it, so then you know which appropriate value parser to use
[19:38] <IDWMaster> Is Endianness on Linux different than on Windows?
[19:40] <IDWMaster> Need to go now
[19:40] <IDWMaster> I'll be on here later!
[19:40] <mhall119> I thought endianness was arch specific
[19:40] <mhall119> ok
[19:40] <IDWMaster> Some OSs can switch though
[19:41] <mhall119> ah, I don't know the answer to that one, sorry
[19:41] <IDWMaster> A lot of CPUs have a "endianness mode switch"
[20:01] <me4oslav> mhall119 snwh - I will watch DrWho now and then we can talk about the simpler note reading app :)
[20:02] <mhall119> me4oslav: just don't talk about DrWho, it doesn't air here for another 5 hours
[20:02] <mhall119> snwh: your donation put us over 1500 pounds! Thanks so much!
[20:03] <me4oslav> mhall119 ha, I wont :P I will have to download it, through, UK proxies screw up even by 50 mbps net speed ...
[20:07] <snwh> mhall119 - my pleasure :)
[20:13] <snwh> me4oslav mhall119 - may or may not be around later for that discussion
[20:30] <cwayne> hello, anyone around?
[21:59] <cwayne> does anyone know what the standard timeout for unity search is?