[04:08] <fahlah> hi. is it possible to install a live(with persistent file) and full version onto a single usb?
[04:10] <escott> fahlah, no
[04:10] <escott> fahlah, i take that back. if you partition the usb maybe
[04:11] <fahlah> ive been trying. but havent been able to work it out yet.
[04:13] <escott> fahlah, it would probably require some modifications to the bootloader of the livecd system
[04:13] <escott> to then chainload the grub you could install in the pbr of the second partition
[04:13] <fahlah> i can get them both installed. i install the live on a 1 gb fat32 partition. i then install the full ver on the remaining 7gb.
[04:13] <escott> not likely to be functional on many bioses
[04:14] <fahlah> it installs ok. but when i boot up the full install. i dont have option to use live version.
[04:15] <escott> b/c the full install overwrote any kind of mbr that might have existed and might have been used by the livecd
[04:15] <fahlah> oh ok. thanks escott.
[04:16] <fahlah> well that wasnt very nice of the full installer : (
[04:16] <fahlah> i thought it was suppose to be clever and see there was something else there first.
[04:17] <escott> those livecd bootloaders are pretty clever in and of themselves
[04:18] <escott> but the installer never checks the mbr. its goal is to get a bootable system
[04:18] <escott> figuring if you need a dual boot you will fix it up later.
[04:18] <fahlah> fair enough : )
[04:18] <fahlah> oh right.
[04:18] <escott> problem is you cant fix it up b/c your boot process is different on the other system
[04:18] <fahlah> so do you know where i should look to fix this problem?
[04:19] <fahlah> oh what? reall?
[04:19] <fahlah> really?
[04:19] <fahlah> cant i just make up a menu to pick either live or full boot?
[04:20] <escott> no
[04:20] <escott> booting usb is not normal
[04:20] <escott> and it varies tremendously from bios to bios
[04:21] <escott> there are some great postings about the fedora livecd image
[04:21] <escott> which is a carefully crafted work of art
[04:21] <fahlah> oh right. sheeze.
[04:21] <escott> just to make it bootable in every possible way
[04:21] <fahlah> oh i see.
[04:21] <escott> but thats also why fedora doesn't support persistent liveusb in the same way
[04:21] <fahlah> fedora is not free : (
[04:22] <fahlah> or is it redhat.
[04:22] <escott> its free
[04:22] <fahlah> i dont know. but i do know Ubuntu is free : )
[04:23] <escott> in any case the ubuntu usb_creator does something else
[04:23] <escott> i dont know exactly what it does
[04:23] <escott> but it has to have a bootloader that is capable of reading a fat table
[04:23] <escott> and finding the kernels and casper images to unpack
[04:24] <fahlah> oh your way above my head now.
[04:24] <escott> but it doesn't have to have the same entry points as your standard hard drive boot
[04:24] <escott> (if you could boot usb like it were a permanently attached hard drive the whole livecd mess would go away)
[04:25] <fahlah> well thanks for some insight escott.
[04:28] <fahlah> guess i better keep surf'n. have a good1 escott : )
[05:13] <tardrace> hey everyone - pretty sure this is the place to ask this: I am looking to create  a simple dataset (database I guess). I am looking for a script to connect to a website, download some information from the site and then organize it in the database so it can be easily viewed. Any suggestions as to how i should go about doing this?
[11:10] <gforge> 10.04; having an issue curious to me. attempting to mount nfs on client, uid of nobody is same on client and server but getting permission denied on mount
[12:24] <markoshcp> hey is there anyone that can help me, i am a new user
[14:03] <Fenixe> I have an Acer 5560g AMD Llano laptop with dual graphics and I have installed Ubuntu. I am having a problem with a really laggy desktop and battery life is about an hour or an hour and a half at full charge.
[14:04] <Fenixe> AMD drivers that Ubuntu suggest do not seem to work well. Are there other drivers that I can try?
[14:24] <holstein> Fenixe: what do you mean by dual graphics
[14:24] <holstein> i have the nvidia ion situation... but i used a PPA to add support for just using the low power intel all the time
[14:28] <Fenixe> the laptop has an integrated graphics card and a dedicated card that can be used together or independently.
[14:30] <holstein> Fenixe: like the nvidia ion i referenced?
[14:31] <Fenixe> i have to do research on the ion issue. not familiar with it.
[14:31] <Fenixe> i will look it up to see if they are similar issues.
[14:33] <holstein> its not really an issues.. its a dual GPU setup where i have the nvidian one disabled
[14:34] <Fenixe> oh ok. i see. yes it is the same thing
[14:34] <holstein> Fenixe: that what i would try... if only for troubeshooting.. can you disable it in the bios? the nvidia i have cant be disabled in the bios
[14:34] <Fenixe> gpu with a dedicated card
[14:34] <Fenixe> i will try now to disable it.
[14:38] <Fenixe> i disabled switchable to integrated and still getting the lag.
[14:39] <Fenixe> programs take a long time to open and windows are choppy. doesnt feel like the system is on a quadcore but on a pentium.
[14:39] <holstein> Fenixe: i would remove the graphics driver from the equation.. maybe try forcing vesa
[14:40] <Fenixe> if i remove the drivers from inside the os will this automatically force vesa? or do i have restart and go into options
[14:41] <holstein> Fenixe: you dont need to remove.. when im testing, i typically fire up a live CD
[14:42] <holstein> Fenixe: i use the F6 option "nomodeset" ..or i try a few different live distros... puppy linux.. ubuntu 10.04.. maybe the upcoming beta if i want to see the latest kernel on my hardware
[14:42] <holstein> first thing i would do is search the forums for a user with that exact hardware
[14:44] <Fenixe> yes. I have done this with not much luck. There was another poster who was having the exact same issues but no response as of yet.
[14:45] <Fenixe> ill try the live cd option and nomodeset
[14:48] <holstein> Fenixe: i would try all the drivers available... and i would keep in mind, unsupported hardware want be challenging
[14:49] <Fenixe> ok thanks for the help!
[20:10] <ccrespin83> I need some help with winetricks and PlayonLinux. can anyone help?
[20:12] <ccrespin83> anyone here?
[20:14] <JoseeAntonioR> !ask | ccrespin83
[20:14] <ubot2> ccrespin83: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[20:16] <ccrespin83> Ok here goes. Extremely new to Linux and Ubuntu and I am trying to install a game I liked to play on windows called league of legends. I have been trying to follow this walk thru i found but I keep running into problems at certain steps. here is the link to the walk thru http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2107392 I currently get stuck at the export part because it doesnt do anything and I cant do anything past that
[20:22] <JoseeAntonioR> ccrespin83: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19141
[20:23] <ccrespin83> Thank you i will see if this will help
[20:39] <ccrespin83> I am trying to do it the way they are saying to do it but I am having trouble with the second step. it gives me a failed: name or service not known
[23:59] <showdon> hello?
[23:59] <showdon> anyone here?