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ruben-ikmaakhmm, the fallout of the ubuntu unity/amazon flap is very interesting... Mark Shuttleworth: "most of our users are also regular users of Amazon". So does this mean that Amazon is now market leader in the 3rd world, where Ubuntu is focused on?13:32
ruben-ikmaakor does this mean Mark isn that focused on bringing good software to the 3rd world as he told me in the times of the Hoary Hedgehog?13:33
ruben-ikmaakfocused anymore i meant13:33
AlanBellhullo ruben-ikmaak13:34
ruben-ikmaakhi13:34
AlanBellI guess it is a globally focussed project13:34
ruben-ikmaakam i wrong in this account, or was i too ideally thinking all those years?13:35
AlanBellit isn't as focussed on that market as the OLPC project for example13:35
ruben-ikmaaki worked on that, and that is virtually dead...13:35
AlanBellyeah, I have one13:36
ruben-ikmaakso ubuntu is the only one specifically geared to that market13:36
AlanBellrecently put the latest fedora on it, works rather well now13:36
ruben-ikmaaki worked on some support programs to 3rd world countries, repair support etc, thatś how i met Mark in the first plac13:37
ruben-ikmaake13:37
AlanBellcool13:37
ruben-ikmaakhe assured me that 3rd world adoption was his main reason to start Ubuntu. So do you think this changed?13:38
AlanBellit is probably accurate to say that most Ubuntu users are also regular users of Ubuntu13:38
AlanBellerr, Amazon13:38
AlanBellit is probably accurate to say that most Ubuntu users are also regular users of Amazon13:38
ruben-ikmaaki personally doubt this the last 15 minutes, in his blogpost....13:38
ruben-ikmaakas far as i know Amazon doesnt even deliver in more than half of the user countries.13:39
ruben-ikmaaki mean that ubuntu is still being mostly used in low-income countries13:39
AlanBelldunno, Amazon is moving into Brazil I think13:39
ruben-ikmaaki know of a lot of 3rd world rollouts, im not sure the "consumerist"world  has more installs.13:40
AlanBellcool, where exactly?13:40
ruben-ikmaakso this sounds a bit scary to me13:41
ruben-ikmaakeverywhere, eastern europe, africa asia, and more.13:41
ruben-ikmaaksouthern europe also big, very big parts woth low income13:41
ruben-ikmaakiḿ not trying to troll, im just genuinly shocked by this blogpost13:42
AlanBellthe idea of the shopping lens is it looks at local ecommerce providors via geoip and it isn't tied to Amazon13:43
AlanBellthat was just the easiest one to start with13:43
ruben-ikmaakso i just felt momentarily betrayed by Mark, not neccecarily bu ubuntu13:43
AlanBellwhy? it doesn't take anything away?13:44
ruben-ikmaaki had this a lot with proprietary products, once they just see an upgrade notice that offers something seemingly worth more than their house, it somehow demotivates people13:45
ruben-ikmaakso i would like to see a button at least asking at install/upgrade time: do you know what an "Amazon" is, and do you want to?13:46
ruben-ikmaakIf it has info/content on other locations i would still like to see a "You seem to live in Santiago, do you want to be connected to a Mercado?13:49
ruben-ikmaaki think it is very off-putting to people even here in the Netherlands, where we are begging for legal kindles for years13:50
ruben-ikmaakim not saying its as big as bug #1, but it could hamper 3rd world adoption a lot. Also ther doesnt seem to be an offline function to do this.13:51
ubot5Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority desktop market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113:51
ruben-ikmaaki dont feel this is trolling, but anywhere i ask this everybody is very condescending about this. I just spoke to a canonical, and he replied: its not as if they have a real computer to start with..13:53
ruben-ikmaakiḿ going to quit now, i hope i vented enough of my disappointment now, hope i did'nt disturbe your rest too much here :)13:54

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