[13:32] hmm, the fallout of the ubuntu unity/amazon flap is very interesting... Mark Shuttleworth: "most of our users are also regular users of Amazon". So does this mean that Amazon is now market leader in the 3rd world, where Ubuntu is focused on? [13:33] or does this mean Mark isn that focused on bringing good software to the 3rd world as he told me in the times of the Hoary Hedgehog? [13:33] focused anymore i meant [13:34] hullo ruben-ikmaak [13:34] hi [13:34] I guess it is a globally focussed project [13:35] am i wrong in this account, or was i too ideally thinking all those years? [13:35] it isn't as focussed on that market as the OLPC project for example [13:35] i worked on that, and that is virtually dead... [13:36] yeah, I have one [13:36] so ubuntu is the only one specifically geared to that market [13:36] recently put the latest fedora on it, works rather well now [13:37] i worked on some support programs to 3rd world countries, repair support etc, thatś how i met Mark in the first plac [13:37] e [13:37] cool [13:38] he assured me that 3rd world adoption was his main reason to start Ubuntu. So do you think this changed? [13:38] it is probably accurate to say that most Ubuntu users are also regular users of Ubuntu [13:38] err, Amazon [13:38] it is probably accurate to say that most Ubuntu users are also regular users of Amazon [13:38] i personally doubt this the last 15 minutes, in his blogpost.... [13:39] as far as i know Amazon doesnt even deliver in more than half of the user countries. [13:39] i mean that ubuntu is still being mostly used in low-income countries [13:39] dunno, Amazon is moving into Brazil I think [13:40] i know of a lot of 3rd world rollouts, im not sure the "consumerist"world has more installs. [13:40] cool, where exactly? [13:41] so this sounds a bit scary to me [13:41] everywhere, eastern europe, africa asia, and more. [13:41] southern europe also big, very big parts woth low income [13:42] iḿ not trying to troll, im just genuinly shocked by this blogpost [13:43] the idea of the shopping lens is it looks at local ecommerce providors via geoip and it isn't tied to Amazon [13:43] that was just the easiest one to start with [13:43] so i just felt momentarily betrayed by Mark, not neccecarily bu ubuntu [13:44] why? it doesn't take anything away? [13:45] i had this a lot with proprietary products, once they just see an upgrade notice that offers something seemingly worth more than their house, it somehow demotivates people [13:46] so i would like to see a button at least asking at install/upgrade time: do you know what an "Amazon" is, and do you want to? [13:49] If it has info/content on other locations i would still like to see a "You seem to live in Santiago, do you want to be connected to a Mercado? [13:50] i think it is very off-putting to people even here in the Netherlands, where we are begging for legal kindles for years [13:51] im not saying its as big as bug #1, but it could hamper 3rd world adoption a lot. Also ther doesnt seem to be an offline function to do this. [13:51] Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority desktop market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [13:53] i dont feel this is trolling, but anywhere i ask this everybody is very condescending about this. I just spoke to a canonical, and he replied: its not as if they have a real computer to start with.. [13:54] iḿ going to quit now, i hope i vented enough of my disappointment now, hope i did'nt disturbe your rest too much here :)