[13:32] <ruben-ikmaak> hmm, the fallout of the ubuntu unity/amazon flap is very interesting... Mark Shuttleworth: "most of our users are also regular users of Amazon". So does this mean that Amazon is now market leader in the 3rd world, where Ubuntu is focused on?
[13:33] <ruben-ikmaak> or does this mean Mark isn that focused on bringing good software to the 3rd world as he told me in the times of the Hoary Hedgehog?
[13:33] <ruben-ikmaak> focused anymore i meant
[13:34] <AlanBell> hullo ruben-ikmaak
[13:34] <ruben-ikmaak> hi
[13:34] <AlanBell> I guess it is a globally focussed project
[13:35] <ruben-ikmaak> am i wrong in this account, or was i too ideally thinking all those years?
[13:35] <AlanBell> it isn't as focussed on that market as the OLPC project for example
[13:35] <ruben-ikmaak> i worked on that, and that is virtually dead...
[13:36] <AlanBell> yeah, I have one
[13:36] <ruben-ikmaak> so ubuntu is the only one specifically geared to that market
[13:36] <AlanBell> recently put the latest fedora on it, works rather well now
[13:37] <ruben-ikmaak> i worked on some support programs to 3rd world countries, repair support etc, thatś how i met Mark in the first plac
[13:37] <ruben-ikmaak> e
[13:37] <AlanBell> cool
[13:38] <ruben-ikmaak> he assured me that 3rd world adoption was his main reason to start Ubuntu. So do you think this changed?
[13:38] <AlanBell> it is probably accurate to say that most Ubuntu users are also regular users of Ubuntu
[13:38] <AlanBell> err, Amazon
[13:38] <AlanBell> it is probably accurate to say that most Ubuntu users are also regular users of Amazon
[13:38] <ruben-ikmaak> i personally doubt this the last 15 minutes, in his blogpost....
[13:39] <ruben-ikmaak> as far as i know Amazon doesnt even deliver in more than half of the user countries.
[13:39] <ruben-ikmaak> i mean that ubuntu is still being mostly used in low-income countries
[13:39] <AlanBell> dunno, Amazon is moving into Brazil I think
[13:40] <ruben-ikmaak> i know of a lot of 3rd world rollouts, im not sure the "consumerist"world  has more installs.
[13:40] <AlanBell> cool, where exactly?
[13:41] <ruben-ikmaak> so this sounds a bit scary to me
[13:41] <ruben-ikmaak> everywhere, eastern europe, africa asia, and more.
[13:41] <ruben-ikmaak> southern europe also big, very big parts woth low income
[13:42] <ruben-ikmaak> iḿ not trying to troll, im just genuinly shocked by this blogpost
[13:43] <AlanBell> the idea of the shopping lens is it looks at local ecommerce providors via geoip and it isn't tied to Amazon
[13:43] <AlanBell> that was just the easiest one to start with
[13:43] <ruben-ikmaak> so i just felt momentarily betrayed by Mark, not neccecarily bu ubuntu
[13:44] <AlanBell> why? it doesn't take anything away?
[13:45] <ruben-ikmaak> i had this a lot with proprietary products, once they just see an upgrade notice that offers something seemingly worth more than their house, it somehow demotivates people
[13:46] <ruben-ikmaak> so i would like to see a button at least asking at install/upgrade time: do you know what an "Amazon" is, and do you want to?
[13:49] <ruben-ikmaak> If it has info/content on other locations i would still like to see a "You seem to live in Santiago, do you want to be connected to a Mercado?
[13:50] <ruben-ikmaak> i think it is very off-putting to people even here in the Netherlands, where we are begging for legal kindles for years
[13:51] <ruben-ikmaak> im not saying its as big as bug #1, but it could hamper 3rd world adoption a lot. Also ther doesnt seem to be an offline function to do this.
[13:53] <ruben-ikmaak> i dont feel this is trolling, but anywhere i ask this everybody is very condescending about this. I just spoke to a canonical, and he replied: its not as if they have a real computer to start with..
[13:54] <ruben-ikmaak> iḿ going to quit now, i hope i vented enough of my disappointment now, hope i did'nt disturbe your rest too much here :)