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ali1234hahaha, the system 76 laptop... it's a zoostorm04:32
Azelphurali1234: haha, fun04:36
ali1234the system 76 does have a better graphics card actually04:38
ali1234they're not identical spec, but they are clearly built by the same company04:38
Azelphurali1234: doesn't surprise me, I imagine system 76 buys em naked OS and then sets up Ubuntu on em04:42
ali1234well system 76 are configurable at least slightly04:46
ali1234no doubt whoever builds these can do whatever setup you want and stick your logo on them04:47
ali1234https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/1zYXy4jC2T804:48
AzelphurI can see a few design differences05:03
Azelphurbut they are admittedly very similar and the system76 is most likely a modified zoostorm05:04
Azelphur:)05:04
AlanBellthey are both clevo07:47
AlanBellfirst laptop I paid for myself was a clevo - cost me £2,000 or so07:48
AlanBell1600x1200 screen, three internal hard drives, it rocked07:48
AlanBellbut it was a bit heavy07:49
DaraelHmm, talking of clevo, I need to find someone who can repair a DC jack.  Really don't feel like shelling out £350 for a new mobo.  Or a new machine, for that matter.07:50
christelgood morning08:07
dwatkinshiya08:38
jacobwmorning08:49
popeypip pip09:00
Guest_hi room09:02
Guest_is this the only chat room for linux09:03
jacobwthere's many09:04
jacobwthis is the UK channel for Ubuntu09:04
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:04
jacobwmorning brobostigon09:04
jacobwGuest_: see #ubuntu also09:05
brobostigonmorning jacobw09:05
Guest_this seems more technical than i was looking for09:06
Guest_i was thinking something like paltalk?09:07
jacobwthis is IRC, it's like the social network for nerds :)09:08
dwatkinsI'm not sure IRC even has the option for enabling video.09:09
jacobwhahaha09:09
* jacobw is happy with text based communication modes09:10
dwatkinsAs am I, jacobw. I just looked up paltalk and I see it's a client with the option for video and group chat.09:10
christelsomeone asked why freenode doesnt do "video chat" yesterday09:12
christeli pondered the concept for a minute and got scared senseless by the prospect of potentially watching 80K+ geeks, i decided i much prefer text!09:13
jacobwlol09:13
christelotoh it could be quite amusing to be a fly on the wall when some of the trollier of people get their kicks, i always envision them a bit like overexcited chimpansees09:14
jacobwi don't wanna see that09:16
AlanBellgibbons09:16
MyrttiI need to decide do I want to upgrade my sisters 10.04 or reinstall with 12.04 Xubuntu09:27
popey\o/ Myrtti09:28
popeyis she using xfce on 10.04 or Guh-nome?09:28
MyrttiGnome, with one panel on the bottom with everything in one menu set up to be as close to Win95/98/2000 as possible09:29
popeyyou could probably get the same effect with gnome fallback?09:30
popeygnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session09:30
elfymine's set up more or less like that Myrtti with xubuntu09:30
AlanBellif you want to try unity then go for quantal09:30
MyrttiI'm not putting anything else than LTS on this machine09:31
popeywise09:31
popeybut if it's 10.04 era, then what spec is it? might not run unity nicely09:31
jacobwunity in lts not good enough?09:31
MyrttiI've got enough in my hands with her computer problems without needing to upgrade every six months09:31
popeyheh09:31
popeymy mum is on 12.04, she's not moving off that anytime soon :)09:32
Myrttijacobw: that was in response of AlanBell's suggestion09:32
jacobwyeah09:32
popeyI'm really happy with 12.04 on my laptop, I'm resisting moving off it09:32
popeybut I have to test 12.10 a lot so have to have another pc with it on09:32
popeyespecially given virtualbox is broken :(09:33
AlanBelljacobw, unity is still new and being fixed09:33
jacobwkvm/qemu?09:33
AlanBelleven more broken09:33
Myrttipopey: Dell Optiplex GX620, with 1GB of RAM and Intel Pentium "3.00GHz"09:33
popeykvm/qemu dont do 3d passthrough09:34
popeyMyrtti, yeah, that'll be better running something leaner IMO, fallback or xfce would be nice09:34
AlanBellvirtualbox works, but won't use the native drivers09:34
AlanBellso llvmpipe09:34
Myrttiif I had more money to throw into her computer problems at the moment, I'd buy more RAM09:35
AlanBellwill upgrade the kids to quantal later I think09:35
MyrttiI'm still considering do I want to get her another two years of Flickr Pro when she doesn't know how to share pictures from F-Spot to it :-(09:35
Myrttishe still wants to email the pictures as email attachments :-C09:36
Myrtti"NNNOOOOOOO"09:36
* AlanBell opens up three ssh sessions and logs in as daddy09:41
christel:o09:41
popeyczajkowski, which robbie is fc on about?09:55
AlanBellwonder if they will notice09:55
popeyI made the kids "wtf" the other day by sshing in, suing to them and then exporting DISPLAY and running "scrot" to get a screenshot of what they were doing09:56
popey"How'd you get that on your screen!?"09:56
popey"Can you see what we're doing all the time!?"09:56
popeyworried looks on their faces :)09:56
AlanBell:)09:58
jacobwespeak "muh ha ha ha ha ha" ftw09:59
AlanBellsomething wonderful has happened, your computer has come alive!10:02
AlanBell(a phrase that earned me a detention once)10:03
christel:o10:03
* jacobw watches bone s8e110:03
jacobwtesting intercoms is always fun :)10:04
AlanBellso that is 1.5TB of precise updates done, now why does sudo do-release-upgrade -d tell me there is no new release found?10:05
jacobwdo you a local mirror?10:05
AlanBellsquid-deb-proxy10:06
AlanBelland 70mb broadband :)10:06
StevenRAlanBell: how is that bband delivered? (VM-Cable? FTTC?)10:06
popeyAlanBell, LTS only10:06
AlanBellfttc10:06
popeysee /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades10:07
popeyPrompt=lts10:07
popeychange that to =normal10:07
popeythen do-release-upgrade -d will work10:07
AlanBellcool, thanks10:07
popeynp10:07
AlanBellStevenR: it outruns my wifi, I need to work out how to get more than 30mb across what should be wireless N10:08
StevenRAlanBell: using 40MHz channels? (Can you use 5GHz N?)10:08
AlanBellnot sure, I poked about with the settings a bit10:08
AlanBellcouldn't see what to do10:09
StevenRAlanBell: what hardware?10:09
popeydoes it have two radios?10:09
jacobwthat's pretty crazy10:09
jacobwyou need mimo10:10
AlanBellnetgear wnr1000v310:10
* popey hugs his wndr370010:10
popey\o/ ddwrt10:10
AlanBell02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)10:10
AlanBellon the laptop10:10
AlanBellI only found out the other day that I could go from 30mb over wireless to 70mb plugged in direct10:11
* popey shuts down his server to move it elsewhere10:13
popeywow, office much quieter with server off shocker10:15
StevenRAlanBell: the datasheet suggests it can't do mimo, however you might get better performance with a) 40MHz channels if it supports it or b) Picking a better/less crowded channel (I find the Wifi Analyzer android app easiest for this)10:16
AlanBellpopey: I ripped all the fans out of my server, boot from an SD card and set the hdd to spin down10:18
brobostigoni decided on owncloud, go the basics working last night, :)10:19
brobostigongot*10:19
jacobwowncloud is awesome10:19
brobostigon:)10:20
brobostigonwas dead easy to install, it was there in the repos, and did most of the setup for me.10:21
popeyAlanBell, mine has 12 disks, i think no fans in it would hurt10:21
popeyespecially as they're spinning most of the day10:21
* dwatkins discovers the joys of being friendzoned once more10:23
AlanBellpopey: why are they spinning?10:25
dwatkinsDo RAID arrays not spin all the time they're on anyway?10:26
AlanBellraid of ssd ftw10:26
dwatkinsPerhaps you're asking why the server is up all day, sorry AlanBell10:26
dwatkinsheh, yeah - although continuously writing to SSD can't be good for it.10:26
AlanBellit is *fine*10:27
Myrttithe Optiplex wasn't booting and lit the diagnostics lights in an undocumented way. In an attempt to find out what was wrong, I opened it up and cleaned the fan and heatsink and refreshed the thermal paste. It's amazing how quiet the computer is now10:27
dwatkinsMyrtti: win :)10:27
AlanBellI boot from an SD card, bulk storage is on a 3TB spinning rust drive10:27
MyrttiI'm not sure if the booting problem disappeared yet though :-|10:27
dwatkinsThis reminds me, I need a new PC - anyone near Edinburgh got an old desktop they don't want anymore?10:27
AlanBellbut that only spins up to collect a backup from another computer10:27
AlanBellstuff like irssi and the few websites on that box run from the sd card10:28
dwatkinsAlanBell: yeah, that's how I had my server setup when I was using a desktop machine, and pretty much how my netbook server works too10:28
dwatkinsI do tend to run things all the time in the background now, like icecast, just for fun.10:28
dwatkinsThat reminds me, I should find out why icecast2 is transcoding and taking lots of CPU time.10:28
Myrttiof course Crucial website offers me a RAM upgrade I can't get from Finland :-<10:40
dwatkinsMyrtti: they won't deliver to you? :(10:40
Myrttiwell they probably would, but delivering from US is bound to be more expensive than buying directly from a reseller10:41
popeyAlanBell, they are spinning because they're constantly in use10:53
popeyi backup every 6 hours and it takes ~4 hours to backup :)10:53
popeyand I'd love for you to buy me 12TB in SSD  to replace it :)10:54
Myrttianyone have experience in buying stuff from Kikatek?10:57
popeyMyrtti, what exact type of RAM is it? I may have some spare in my box-o-ram10:59
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dwatkinspopey: wow, that's a pretty serious backup schedule11:00
popeyits the default with rsnapshot11:01
popeyi backup my laptop, desktop, family computer and some remote boxes and keep houly, daily, weekly, monthly11:01
MyrttiDDR2 DIMM 240-pin, I'm not entirely sure how fast it can be, Crucial and Kingston seem to recommend 667MHz, but the machine has 533 at the moment11:01
* popey looks11:01
popeywhat size? 1GB?11:01
popeyi.e. whats the max it can take?11:02
popeyMyrtti, found some PC2 7200 2GB11:03
popeypart number: OCZ2N9002GK11:03
popeytwo of them11:03
popeyalso, a transcend 1GB DDR2 800 DIMM CL5, PN: 509567-238111:04
Myrttihuh, just had a massive cramp in my thigh, out of breath now11:04
* Myrtti digs for specs11:04
* AlanBell has a 1GB PC2 5300 CT12364AA667.8FG11:05
* popey puts to one side and makes lunch11:05
popeylemme know11:05
AlanBellgave most of the rest of my desktop ram sticks away11:05
MyrttiDell seems to think that 4GB is the max, so does Crucial11:05
AlanBellhow many slots?11:06
Myrttifour11:06
Myrttiit's not a bad computer, it's just a bit old and underaccessorised.11:07
AlanBellwhat is in the slots at the moment?11:07
Myrttitwo 512K's, product: M3 78T6553CZ3-CD511:08
MyrttiM's, even11:09
jacobwah crap, i'm going to have to upgrade to quantal11:10
jacobwi'm just a sucker for shiny new things11:11
AlanBellMyrtti: well I am happy to post this 1GB stick somewhere if you want it11:11
AlanBelldunno if your desktop will want them in pairs though11:12
MyrttiAlanBell: yeah, I don't know either, I suppose they recommend it11:20
* StevenR mutters about the difficulty of finding a sensibly priced router/firewall box11:44
MartijnVdSStevenR: routerboard.com11:46
jacobwmikrotik :)11:48
MartijnVdSjacobw: their routeros takes some getting used to.. but it works great :)11:49
jacobwyeah, it's very good11:49
jacobwi just had a bad experience trying to use their scripting language update dns with dhcp hostnames11:50
czajkowskipopey: robbie on server team / Arm guy based down that way was at oggcamp11:54
popeyyeah, couldn't find a robbie on the directory11:55
StevenRMartijnVdS: the hardware seems sensible... is the os sane?11:55
jacobwStevenR: it's quite sensible, and it has a API11:57
MartijnVdSit has a web interface too11:57
MartijnVdSand a telnet/ssh interface11:57
MartijnVdSI like it11:57
jacobwi didn't know it had a web interface11:58
MartijnVdSit looks almost like the "Winbox" interface11:58
MartijnVdS(from the Windows management UI app)11:59
czajkowskihmm where did popey go12:02
jacobwwinbox also runs fine in wine12:04
* christel strokes czajkowski 12:20
matttwoah now13:13
dogmatic69hehe bug 105576613:35
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1055766 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "grep -R doesn't automatically search amazon" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105576613:35
penguin42dogmatic69: Pointed out to me as a wonderful example of trolling13:39
penguin42(or how to explain trolling to those not internet savvy)13:39
* AlanBell likes the Isabel Fay song for explaining that13:41
AlanBellhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA (bits might be a tiny bit rudeish)13:42
penguin42hehe nicely done13:47
AzelphurAlanBell: haha, I love that song xD13:48
SuperEngineerboo!13:51
StevenRMartijnVdS, jacobw thanks for the suggestions :)13:54
ali1234penguin42: on a similar note, commandlinefu.com has a search box on it which says "type here to grep the archive" but which does NOT accept regular expressions14:11
ali1234i was disappoint14:12
penguin42ali1234: Haha yes that's a bit of an ommission14:15
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RadiumCathttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xKnmnxsjAUo/UGW7f05ibAI/AAAAAAAAQDk/NNEsYYWu3vw/s1600/oacg570.gif16:24
popeyhttp://speedtest.net/ broken?16:33
popeyi click begin test and it says its evaluating best server, never finishes16:33
AlanBellpopey: aaah, I was having trouble with that earlier too16:35
AlanBellpopey: fwm now, but I was trying on the kids computers and it wasn't16:36
AlanBellhttp://www.speedtest.net/result/2210379891.png need more wifi powah16:36
AlanBells/fwm/wfm/16:37
popeyhmm, seems okay now17:01
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jacobwevening17:24
bigcalm_laptopHallo peeps17:56
brobostigonevening jacobw and bigcalm_laptop17:57
bigcalm_laptopo/17:57
brobostigono/17:58
christelhullu kids18:13
bigcalm_laptopIt's christel :)18:14
christelit is!18:16
christeland now she must GO18:16
christeli think18:16
bigcalm_laptopchristel: fair thee well and stuff ;) Have a good evening18:19
jacobwhez19:05
matttevening all20:11
MartijnVdS\o20:14
pinky-o/20:27
popeyevening all20:45
pinky-good evening popey20:45
pinky-no pub tonight?20:45
popeyme? no20:47
pinky-popey, ok, my excuse is I'm tea-total, are you just having a break?20:47
popeya break from?20:48
pinky-SAturday night rituals20:48
pinky-oops for caps20:48
popeyI'm married with kids :)20:48
popeySaturday night is generally in20:48
MartijnVdSDoctor Night :)20:48
pinky-ahh ok that makes sense20:48
MartijnVdSAppropriate post-Doctor music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfX8MW9g2Q20:51
pinky-MartijnVdS, singer sounds like Sinéad O'Connor20:52
MartijnVdSpinky-: she's saner though20:53
pinky-MartijnVdS, most people are :o20:54
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pinky-I have a script on my irc cleient that when I type a nick follwed by : it opens a private message window.. I might have a look to remove it for functionality on Freenode20:55
pinky-Client*20:55
pinky-and get with the mode20:56
MartijnVdSjust use irssi21:02
* MartijnVdS has a script-less irssi21:03
MartijnVdSsome aliases, but no scripts21:03
MartijnVdSಠ_ಠ for example21:03
pinky-MartijnVdS, yes irssi is an old classic21:03
pinky-and still relevent21:03
MartijnVdS♥ irssi21:03
pinky-The other place I'm from the chatters are not so punctional and don't add : after typing a nick for direction, I just don't want to annoy so will look into it after a freash coffee. Infact I'm that paranoid now is reason why I've even mentioned it.21:03
MartijnVdSpinky-: At work, people copy/paste the entire first bit of the line instead of jsut tab-completing21:04
MartijnVdSso the so:21:04
MartijnVdSso they do*21:04
MartijnVdS< pinky->21:04
MartijnVdSwhich is VERY annoying :)21:04
pinky-ok, now I know21:04
pinky-time-stamps re-paste annoys me sometimes, but not all21:05
pinky-depends if I wanted to know or not:)21:05
MartijnVdSso do that too21:05
MartijnVdSBut they tend to make the sysadmins angry.. so that gets.. "dealt with"21:06
jacobwgraphical irc feels wrong :(21:06
DaraelMy irssi's been segfaulting every few days.  The xmpp module seems to have got less stable.  At least, I /think/ that's what it is.21:07
MartijnVdSDarael: xmpp in irssi? you scary scary man.21:07
MartijnVdSDarael: just use bitlbee :)21:07
DaraelMartijnVdS: There's a plugin in the repos.  And bitlbee doesn't integrate as nicely as a proper plugin.21:08
DaraelI can't /roster and similar without setting up a whole host of aliases if I use bitlbee.21:08
MartijnVdSI tend to use gtalk inside gmail anyway21:09
MartijnVdSand not much else21:09
MartijnVdSTime for zzz21:10
DaraelOn my own machines I use psi+ for my xmpp, but I'm frequently on others.  Especially since my lappy's currently out of action.21:10
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pinky-cool I have managed to successfully edit my script and can now use : after a nick without loads of nonsense happening:)22:33
DaraelExcellent.22:34
pinky-Darael: thanks22:34
DaraelI still think irssi is better than mIRC.  I may be somewhat biased.22:34
DaraelHmm, that reminds me, I should set my CTCP VERSION response to something improbable.22:35
Daraelirssi v1.0?22:35
pinky-Darael: I never said I was using mIRC. what made you think I was?:)22:35
Daraelpinky-: I ran a CTCP VERSION and it said so.  Of course that could have been a custom VERSION string deceiving me.22:35
Daraelpinky-: mIRC v7.22 Khaled Mardam-Bey, to be precise.22:36
pinky-Darael: my last ctfcp reply said "oops someone stole it from me"22:36
pinky-:)22:36
pinky-without the f22:36
pinky-was a typo.. yet again!22:37
DaraelThat's not bad.  Still tempted by "irssi v1.0", although I think I should also claim it's running on, say, a Beeb.22:37
DaraelOr a Spectrum.22:37
pinky-Vic-20 :o22:37
DaraelColossus?22:38
pinky-Commodore Vic 20.. slightly before the spectrum22:38
DaraelI know.  I was making another suggestion.22:39
DaraelHow about the Analytical Machine?22:39
pinky-no, no and no.. I'm dumb and know very little22:40
pinky-I will look it up once I've made a freash coffee22:41
DaraelThe Analytical Machine was Babbage's later unfinished project.  A mechanical computer, a successor to the Difference Engine.22:42
christelCOFFEE22:43
DaraelCoffee?  What is this witchcraft?22:45
pinky-Darael: it is pure Voodoo22:48
DaraelTell me more.22:49
pinky-no lame decaf for me:)22:50
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ddtgehi23:40
ddtgewhat image viewer support animated sideshow?23:40
* penguin42 suspects imagemagick's does23:44
ddtgepenguin42, i want to use it like a digital photo frame.23:49
penguin42ddtge: try the 'display' program from graphicsmagick package, it can do most things23:52
ddtgepenguin42, now i'm work with feh, but i can't find a way to make animated transition23:53
penguin42ddtge: I've not tried anything for pretty display of images; display is more a tool - it can do most things, it's not necessary nice about it23:56
ddtgei see.23:57
ddtgei'm after the installation of graphicsmagick package, but i can't find how to use it..23:58
penguin42I said it wasn't necessarily pretty :-)23:58
ddtgeif i type 'display' in the terminal it can't fine the command..23:59
penguin42odd23:59
ddtgeThe program 'display' can be found in the following packages:23:59
ddtge * imagemagick23:59
ddtge * graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat23:59

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