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ali1234 | hahaha, the system 76 laptop... it's a zoostorm | 04:32 |
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Azelphur | ali1234: haha, fun | 04:36 |
ali1234 | the system 76 does have a better graphics card actually | 04:38 |
ali1234 | they're not identical spec, but they are clearly built by the same company | 04:38 |
Azelphur | ali1234: doesn't surprise me, I imagine system 76 buys em naked OS and then sets up Ubuntu on em | 04:42 |
ali1234 | well system 76 are configurable at least slightly | 04:46 |
ali1234 | no doubt whoever builds these can do whatever setup you want and stick your logo on them | 04:47 |
ali1234 | https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/1zYXy4jC2T8 | 04:48 |
Azelphur | I can see a few design differences | 05:03 |
Azelphur | but they are admittedly very similar and the system76 is most likely a modified zoostorm | 05:04 |
Azelphur | :) | 05:04 |
AlanBell | they are both clevo | 07:47 |
AlanBell | first laptop I paid for myself was a clevo - cost me £2,000 or so | 07:48 |
AlanBell | 1600x1200 screen, three internal hard drives, it rocked | 07:48 |
AlanBell | but it was a bit heavy | 07:49 |
Darael | Hmm, talking of clevo, I need to find someone who can repair a DC jack. Really don't feel like shelling out £350 for a new mobo. Or a new machine, for that matter. | 07:50 |
christel | good morning | 08:07 |
dwatkins | hiya | 08:38 |
jacobw | morning | 08:49 |
popey | pip pip | 09:00 |
Guest_ | hi room | 09:02 |
Guest_ | is this the only chat room for linux | 09:03 |
jacobw | there's many | 09:04 |
jacobw | this is the UK channel for Ubuntu | 09:04 |
brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:04 |
jacobw | morning brobostigon | 09:04 |
jacobw | Guest_: see #ubuntu also | 09:05 |
brobostigon | morning jacobw | 09:05 |
Guest_ | this seems more technical than i was looking for | 09:06 |
Guest_ | i was thinking something like paltalk? | 09:07 |
jacobw | this is IRC, it's like the social network for nerds :) | 09:08 |
dwatkins | I'm not sure IRC even has the option for enabling video. | 09:09 |
jacobw | hahaha | 09:09 |
* jacobw is happy with text based communication modes | 09:10 | |
dwatkins | As am I, jacobw. I just looked up paltalk and I see it's a client with the option for video and group chat. | 09:10 |
christel | someone asked why freenode doesnt do "video chat" yesterday | 09:12 |
christel | i pondered the concept for a minute and got scared senseless by the prospect of potentially watching 80K+ geeks, i decided i much prefer text! | 09:13 |
jacobw | lol | 09:13 |
christel | otoh it could be quite amusing to be a fly on the wall when some of the trollier of people get their kicks, i always envision them a bit like overexcited chimpansees | 09:14 |
jacobw | i don't wanna see that | 09:16 |
AlanBell | gibbons | 09:16 |
Myrtti | I need to decide do I want to upgrade my sisters 10.04 or reinstall with 12.04 Xubuntu | 09:27 |
popey | \o/ Myrtti | 09:28 |
popey | is she using xfce on 10.04 or Guh-nome? | 09:28 |
Myrtti | Gnome, with one panel on the bottom with everything in one menu set up to be as close to Win95/98/2000 as possible | 09:29 |
popey | you could probably get the same effect with gnome fallback? | 09:30 |
popey | gnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session | 09:30 |
elfy | mine's set up more or less like that Myrtti with xubuntu | 09:30 |
AlanBell | if you want to try unity then go for quantal | 09:30 |
Myrtti | I'm not putting anything else than LTS on this machine | 09:31 |
popey | wise | 09:31 |
popey | but if it's 10.04 era, then what spec is it? might not run unity nicely | 09:31 |
jacobw | unity in lts not good enough? | 09:31 |
Myrtti | I've got enough in my hands with her computer problems without needing to upgrade every six months | 09:31 |
popey | heh | 09:31 |
popey | my mum is on 12.04, she's not moving off that anytime soon :) | 09:32 |
Myrtti | jacobw: that was in response of AlanBell's suggestion | 09:32 |
jacobw | yeah | 09:32 |
popey | I'm really happy with 12.04 on my laptop, I'm resisting moving off it | 09:32 |
popey | but I have to test 12.10 a lot so have to have another pc with it on | 09:32 |
popey | especially given virtualbox is broken :( | 09:33 |
AlanBell | jacobw, unity is still new and being fixed | 09:33 |
jacobw | kvm/qemu? | 09:33 |
AlanBell | even more broken | 09:33 |
Myrtti | popey: Dell Optiplex GX620, with 1GB of RAM and Intel Pentium "3.00GHz" | 09:33 |
popey | kvm/qemu dont do 3d passthrough | 09:34 |
popey | Myrtti, yeah, that'll be better running something leaner IMO, fallback or xfce would be nice | 09:34 |
AlanBell | virtualbox works, but won't use the native drivers | 09:34 |
AlanBell | so llvmpipe | 09:34 |
Myrtti | if I had more money to throw into her computer problems at the moment, I'd buy more RAM | 09:35 |
AlanBell | will upgrade the kids to quantal later I think | 09:35 |
Myrtti | I'm still considering do I want to get her another two years of Flickr Pro when she doesn't know how to share pictures from F-Spot to it :-( | 09:35 |
Myrtti | she still wants to email the pictures as email attachments :-C | 09:36 |
Myrtti | "NNNOOOOOOO" | 09:36 |
* AlanBell opens up three ssh sessions and logs in as daddy | 09:41 | |
christel | :o | 09:41 |
popey | czajkowski, which robbie is fc on about? | 09:55 |
AlanBell | wonder if they will notice | 09:55 |
popey | I made the kids "wtf" the other day by sshing in, suing to them and then exporting DISPLAY and running "scrot" to get a screenshot of what they were doing | 09:56 |
popey | "How'd you get that on your screen!?" | 09:56 |
popey | "Can you see what we're doing all the time!?" | 09:56 |
popey | worried looks on their faces :) | 09:56 |
AlanBell | :) | 09:58 |
jacobw | espeak "muh ha ha ha ha ha" ftw | 09:59 |
AlanBell | something wonderful has happened, your computer has come alive! | 10:02 |
AlanBell | (a phrase that earned me a detention once) | 10:03 |
christel | :o | 10:03 |
* jacobw watches bone s8e1 | 10:03 | |
jacobw | testing intercoms is always fun :) | 10:04 |
AlanBell | so that is 1.5TB of precise updates done, now why does sudo do-release-upgrade -d tell me there is no new release found? | 10:05 |
jacobw | do you a local mirror? | 10:05 |
AlanBell | squid-deb-proxy | 10:06 |
AlanBell | and 70mb broadband :) | 10:06 |
StevenR | AlanBell: how is that bband delivered? (VM-Cable? FTTC?) | 10:06 |
popey | AlanBell, LTS only | 10:06 |
AlanBell | fttc | 10:06 |
popey | see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | 10:07 |
popey | Prompt=lts | 10:07 |
popey | change that to =normal | 10:07 |
popey | then do-release-upgrade -d will work | 10:07 |
AlanBell | cool, thanks | 10:07 |
popey | np | 10:07 |
AlanBell | StevenR: it outruns my wifi, I need to work out how to get more than 30mb across what should be wireless N | 10:08 |
StevenR | AlanBell: using 40MHz channels? (Can you use 5GHz N?) | 10:08 |
AlanBell | not sure, I poked about with the settings a bit | 10:08 |
AlanBell | couldn't see what to do | 10:09 |
StevenR | AlanBell: what hardware? | 10:09 |
popey | does it have two radios? | 10:09 |
jacobw | that's pretty crazy | 10:09 |
jacobw | you need mimo | 10:10 |
AlanBell | netgear wnr1000v3 | 10:10 |
* popey hugs his wndr3700 | 10:10 | |
popey | \o/ ddwrt | 10:10 |
AlanBell | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) | 10:10 |
AlanBell | on the laptop | 10:10 |
AlanBell | I only found out the other day that I could go from 30mb over wireless to 70mb plugged in direct | 10:11 |
* popey shuts down his server to move it elsewhere | 10:13 | |
popey | wow, office much quieter with server off shocker | 10:15 |
StevenR | AlanBell: the datasheet suggests it can't do mimo, however you might get better performance with a) 40MHz channels if it supports it or b) Picking a better/less crowded channel (I find the Wifi Analyzer android app easiest for this) | 10:16 |
AlanBell | popey: I ripped all the fans out of my server, boot from an SD card and set the hdd to spin down | 10:18 |
brobostigon | i decided on owncloud, go the basics working last night, :) | 10:19 |
brobostigon | got* | 10:19 |
jacobw | owncloud is awesome | 10:19 |
brobostigon | :) | 10:20 |
brobostigon | was dead easy to install, it was there in the repos, and did most of the setup for me. | 10:21 |
popey | AlanBell, mine has 12 disks, i think no fans in it would hurt | 10:21 |
popey | especially as they're spinning most of the day | 10:21 |
* dwatkins discovers the joys of being friendzoned once more | 10:23 | |
AlanBell | popey: why are they spinning? | 10:25 |
dwatkins | Do RAID arrays not spin all the time they're on anyway? | 10:26 |
AlanBell | raid of ssd ftw | 10:26 |
dwatkins | Perhaps you're asking why the server is up all day, sorry AlanBell | 10:26 |
dwatkins | heh, yeah - although continuously writing to SSD can't be good for it. | 10:26 |
AlanBell | it is *fine* | 10:27 |
Myrtti | the Optiplex wasn't booting and lit the diagnostics lights in an undocumented way. In an attempt to find out what was wrong, I opened it up and cleaned the fan and heatsink and refreshed the thermal paste. It's amazing how quiet the computer is now | 10:27 |
dwatkins | Myrtti: win :) | 10:27 |
AlanBell | I boot from an SD card, bulk storage is on a 3TB spinning rust drive | 10:27 |
Myrtti | I'm not sure if the booting problem disappeared yet though :-| | 10:27 |
dwatkins | This reminds me, I need a new PC - anyone near Edinburgh got an old desktop they don't want anymore? | 10:27 |
AlanBell | but that only spins up to collect a backup from another computer | 10:27 |
AlanBell | stuff like irssi and the few websites on that box run from the sd card | 10:28 |
dwatkins | AlanBell: yeah, that's how I had my server setup when I was using a desktop machine, and pretty much how my netbook server works too | 10:28 |
dwatkins | I do tend to run things all the time in the background now, like icecast, just for fun. | 10:28 |
dwatkins | That reminds me, I should find out why icecast2 is transcoding and taking lots of CPU time. | 10:28 |
Myrtti | of course Crucial website offers me a RAM upgrade I can't get from Finland :-< | 10:40 |
dwatkins | Myrtti: they won't deliver to you? :( | 10:40 |
Myrtti | well they probably would, but delivering from US is bound to be more expensive than buying directly from a reseller | 10:41 |
popey | AlanBell, they are spinning because they're constantly in use | 10:53 |
popey | i backup every 6 hours and it takes ~4 hours to backup :) | 10:53 |
popey | and I'd love for you to buy me 12TB in SSD to replace it :) | 10:54 |
Myrtti | anyone have experience in buying stuff from Kikatek? | 10:57 |
popey | Myrtti, what exact type of RAM is it? I may have some spare in my box-o-ram | 10:59 |
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dwatkins | popey: wow, that's a pretty serious backup schedule | 11:00 |
popey | its the default with rsnapshot | 11:01 |
popey | i backup my laptop, desktop, family computer and some remote boxes and keep houly, daily, weekly, monthly | 11:01 |
Myrtti | DDR2 DIMM 240-pin, I'm not entirely sure how fast it can be, Crucial and Kingston seem to recommend 667MHz, but the machine has 533 at the moment | 11:01 |
* popey looks | 11:01 | |
popey | what size? 1GB? | 11:01 |
popey | i.e. whats the max it can take? | 11:02 |
popey | Myrtti, found some PC2 7200 2GB | 11:03 |
popey | part number: OCZ2N9002GK | 11:03 |
popey | two of them | 11:03 |
popey | also, a transcend 1GB DDR2 800 DIMM CL5, PN: 509567-2381 | 11:04 |
Myrtti | huh, just had a massive cramp in my thigh, out of breath now | 11:04 |
* Myrtti digs for specs | 11:04 | |
* AlanBell has a 1GB PC2 5300 CT12364AA667.8FG | 11:05 | |
* popey puts to one side and makes lunch | 11:05 | |
popey | lemme know | 11:05 |
AlanBell | gave most of the rest of my desktop ram sticks away | 11:05 |
Myrtti | Dell seems to think that 4GB is the max, so does Crucial | 11:05 |
AlanBell | how many slots? | 11:06 |
Myrtti | four | 11:06 |
Myrtti | it's not a bad computer, it's just a bit old and underaccessorised. | 11:07 |
AlanBell | what is in the slots at the moment? | 11:07 |
Myrtti | two 512K's, product: M3 78T6553CZ3-CD5 | 11:08 |
Myrtti | M's, even | 11:09 |
jacobw | ah crap, i'm going to have to upgrade to quantal | 11:10 |
jacobw | i'm just a sucker for shiny new things | 11:11 |
AlanBell | Myrtti: well I am happy to post this 1GB stick somewhere if you want it | 11:11 |
AlanBell | dunno if your desktop will want them in pairs though | 11:12 |
Myrtti | AlanBell: yeah, I don't know either, I suppose they recommend it | 11:20 |
* StevenR mutters about the difficulty of finding a sensibly priced router/firewall box | 11:44 | |
MartijnVdS | StevenR: routerboard.com | 11:46 |
jacobw | mikrotik :) | 11:48 |
MartijnVdS | jacobw: their routeros takes some getting used to.. but it works great :) | 11:49 |
jacobw | yeah, it's very good | 11:49 |
jacobw | i just had a bad experience trying to use their scripting language update dns with dhcp hostnames | 11:50 |
czajkowski | popey: robbie on server team / Arm guy based down that way was at oggcamp | 11:54 |
popey | yeah, couldn't find a robbie on the directory | 11:55 |
StevenR | MartijnVdS: the hardware seems sensible... is the os sane? | 11:55 |
jacobw | StevenR: it's quite sensible, and it has a API | 11:57 |
MartijnVdS | it has a web interface too | 11:57 |
MartijnVdS | and a telnet/ssh interface | 11:57 |
MartijnVdS | I like it | 11:57 |
jacobw | i didn't know it had a web interface | 11:58 |
MartijnVdS | it looks almost like the "Winbox" interface | 11:58 |
MartijnVdS | (from the Windows management UI app) | 11:59 |
czajkowski | hmm where did popey go | 12:02 |
jacobw | winbox also runs fine in wine | 12:04 |
* christel strokes czajkowski | 12:20 | |
mattt | woah now | 13:13 |
dogmatic69 | hehe bug 1055766 | 13:35 |
lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1055766 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "grep -R doesn't automatically search amazon" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055766 | 13:35 |
penguin42 | dogmatic69: Pointed out to me as a wonderful example of trolling | 13:39 |
penguin42 | (or how to explain trolling to those not internet savvy) | 13:39 |
* AlanBell likes the Isabel Fay song for explaining that | 13:41 | |
AlanBell | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA (bits might be a tiny bit rudeish) | 13:42 |
penguin42 | hehe nicely done | 13:47 |
Azelphur | AlanBell: haha, I love that song xD | 13:48 |
SuperEngineer | boo! | 13:51 |
StevenR | MartijnVdS, jacobw thanks for the suggestions :) | 13:54 |
ali1234 | penguin42: on a similar note, commandlinefu.com has a search box on it which says "type here to grep the archive" but which does NOT accept regular expressions | 14:11 |
ali1234 | i was disappoint | 14:12 |
penguin42 | ali1234: Haha yes that's a bit of an ommission | 14:15 |
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RadiumCat | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xKnmnxsjAUo/UGW7f05ibAI/AAAAAAAAQDk/NNEsYYWu3vw/s1600/oacg570.gif | 16:24 |
popey | http://speedtest.net/ broken? | 16:33 |
popey | i click begin test and it says its evaluating best server, never finishes | 16:33 |
AlanBell | popey: aaah, I was having trouble with that earlier too | 16:35 |
AlanBell | popey: fwm now, but I was trying on the kids computers and it wasn't | 16:36 |
AlanBell | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2210379891.png need more wifi powah | 16:36 |
AlanBell | s/fwm/wfm/ | 16:37 |
popey | hmm, seems okay now | 17:01 |
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jacobw | evening | 17:24 |
bigcalm_laptop | Hallo peeps | 17:56 |
brobostigon | evening jacobw and bigcalm_laptop | 17:57 |
bigcalm_laptop | o/ | 17:57 |
brobostigon | o/ | 17:58 |
christel | hullu kids | 18:13 |
bigcalm_laptop | It's christel :) | 18:14 |
christel | it is! | 18:16 |
christel | and now she must GO | 18:16 |
christel | i think | 18:16 |
bigcalm_laptop | christel: fair thee well and stuff ;) Have a good evening | 18:19 |
jacobw | hez | 19:05 |
mattt | evening all | 20:11 |
MartijnVdS | \o | 20:14 |
pinky- | o/ | 20:27 |
popey | evening all | 20:45 |
pinky- | good evening popey | 20:45 |
pinky- | no pub tonight? | 20:45 |
popey | me? no | 20:47 |
pinky- | popey, ok, my excuse is I'm tea-total, are you just having a break? | 20:47 |
popey | a break from? | 20:48 |
pinky- | SAturday night rituals | 20:48 |
pinky- | oops for caps | 20:48 |
popey | I'm married with kids :) | 20:48 |
popey | Saturday night is generally in | 20:48 |
MartijnVdS | Doctor Night :) | 20:48 |
pinky- | ahh ok that makes sense | 20:48 |
MartijnVdS | Appropriate post-Doctor music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfX8MW9g2Q | 20:51 |
pinky- | MartijnVdS, singer sounds like Sinéad O'Connor | 20:52 |
MartijnVdS | pinky-: she's saner though | 20:53 |
pinky- | MartijnVdS, most people are :o | 20:54 |
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pinky- | I have a script on my irc cleient that when I type a nick follwed by : it opens a private message window.. I might have a look to remove it for functionality on Freenode | 20:55 |
pinky- | Client* | 20:55 |
pinky- | and get with the mode | 20:56 |
MartijnVdS | just use irssi | 21:02 |
* MartijnVdS has a script-less irssi | 21:03 | |
MartijnVdS | some aliases, but no scripts | 21:03 |
MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ for example | 21:03 |
pinky- | MartijnVdS, yes irssi is an old classic | 21:03 |
pinky- | and still relevent | 21:03 |
MartijnVdS | ♥ irssi | 21:03 |
pinky- | The other place I'm from the chatters are not so punctional and don't add : after typing a nick for direction, I just don't want to annoy so will look into it after a freash coffee. Infact I'm that paranoid now is reason why I've even mentioned it. | 21:03 |
MartijnVdS | pinky-: At work, people copy/paste the entire first bit of the line instead of jsut tab-completing | 21:04 |
MartijnVdS | so the so: | 21:04 |
MartijnVdS | so they do* | 21:04 |
MartijnVdS | < pinky-> | 21:04 |
MartijnVdS | which is VERY annoying :) | 21:04 |
pinky- | ok, now I know | 21:04 |
pinky- | time-stamps re-paste annoys me sometimes, but not all | 21:05 |
pinky- | depends if I wanted to know or not:) | 21:05 |
MartijnVdS | so do that too | 21:05 |
MartijnVdS | But they tend to make the sysadmins angry.. so that gets.. "dealt with" | 21:06 |
jacobw | graphical irc feels wrong :( | 21:06 |
Darael | My irssi's been segfaulting every few days. The xmpp module seems to have got less stable. At least, I /think/ that's what it is. | 21:07 |
MartijnVdS | Darael: xmpp in irssi? you scary scary man. | 21:07 |
MartijnVdS | Darael: just use bitlbee :) | 21:07 |
Darael | MartijnVdS: There's a plugin in the repos. And bitlbee doesn't integrate as nicely as a proper plugin. | 21:08 |
Darael | I can't /roster and similar without setting up a whole host of aliases if I use bitlbee. | 21:08 |
MartijnVdS | I tend to use gtalk inside gmail anyway | 21:09 |
MartijnVdS | and not much else | 21:09 |
MartijnVdS | Time for zzz | 21:10 |
Darael | On my own machines I use psi+ for my xmpp, but I'm frequently on others. Especially since my lappy's currently out of action. | 21:10 |
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pinky- | cool I have managed to successfully edit my script and can now use : after a nick without loads of nonsense happening:) | 22:33 |
Darael | Excellent. | 22:34 |
pinky- | Darael: thanks | 22:34 |
Darael | I still think irssi is better than mIRC. I may be somewhat biased. | 22:34 |
Darael | Hmm, that reminds me, I should set my CTCP VERSION response to something improbable. | 22:35 |
Darael | irssi v1.0? | 22:35 |
pinky- | Darael: I never said I was using mIRC. what made you think I was?:) | 22:35 |
Darael | pinky-: I ran a CTCP VERSION and it said so. Of course that could have been a custom VERSION string deceiving me. | 22:35 |
Darael | pinky-: mIRC v7.22 Khaled Mardam-Bey, to be precise. | 22:36 |
pinky- | Darael: my last ctfcp reply said "oops someone stole it from me" | 22:36 |
pinky- | :) | 22:36 |
pinky- | without the f | 22:36 |
pinky- | was a typo.. yet again! | 22:37 |
Darael | That's not bad. Still tempted by "irssi v1.0", although I think I should also claim it's running on, say, a Beeb. | 22:37 |
Darael | Or a Spectrum. | 22:37 |
pinky- | Vic-20 :o | 22:37 |
Darael | Colossus? | 22:38 |
pinky- | Commodore Vic 20.. slightly before the spectrum | 22:38 |
Darael | I know. I was making another suggestion. | 22:39 |
Darael | How about the Analytical Machine? | 22:39 |
pinky- | no, no and no.. I'm dumb and know very little | 22:40 |
pinky- | I will look it up once I've made a freash coffee | 22:41 |
Darael | The Analytical Machine was Babbage's later unfinished project. A mechanical computer, a successor to the Difference Engine. | 22:42 |
christel | COFFEE | 22:43 |
Darael | Coffee? What is this witchcraft? | 22:45 |
pinky- | Darael: it is pure Voodoo | 22:48 |
Darael | Tell me more. | 22:49 |
pinky- | no lame decaf for me:) | 22:50 |
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ddtge | hi | 23:40 |
ddtge | what image viewer support animated sideshow? | 23:40 |
* penguin42 suspects imagemagick's does | 23:44 | |
ddtge | penguin42, i want to use it like a digital photo frame. | 23:49 |
penguin42 | ddtge: try the 'display' program from graphicsmagick package, it can do most things | 23:52 |
ddtge | penguin42, now i'm work with feh, but i can't find a way to make animated transition | 23:53 |
penguin42 | ddtge: I've not tried anything for pretty display of images; display is more a tool - it can do most things, it's not necessary nice about it | 23:56 |
ddtge | i see. | 23:57 |
ddtge | i'm after the installation of graphicsmagick package, but i can't find how to use it.. | 23:58 |
penguin42 | I said it wasn't necessarily pretty :-) | 23:58 |
ddtge | if i type 'display' in the terminal it can't fine the command.. | 23:59 |
penguin42 | odd | 23:59 |
ddtge | The program 'display' can be found in the following packages: | 23:59 |
ddtge | * imagemagick | 23:59 |
ddtge | * graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat | 23:59 |
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