[04:32] <ali1234> hahaha, the system 76 laptop... it's a zoostorm
[04:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, fun
[04:38] <ali1234> the system 76 does have a better graphics card actually
[04:38] <ali1234> they're not identical spec, but they are clearly built by the same company
[04:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: doesn't surprise me, I imagine system 76 buys em naked OS and then sets up Ubuntu on em
[04:46] <ali1234> well system 76 are configurable at least slightly
[04:47] <ali1234> no doubt whoever builds these can do whatever setup you want and stick your logo on them
[04:48] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/1zYXy4jC2T8
[05:03] <Azelphur> I can see a few design differences
[05:04] <Azelphur> but they are admittedly very similar and the system76 is most likely a modified zoostorm
[05:04] <Azelphur> :)
[07:47] <AlanBell> they are both clevo
[07:48] <AlanBell> first laptop I paid for myself was a clevo - cost me £2,000 or so
[07:48] <AlanBell> 1600x1200 screen, three internal hard drives, it rocked
[07:49] <AlanBell> but it was a bit heavy
[07:50] <Darael> Hmm, talking of clevo, I need to find someone who can repair a DC jack.  Really don't feel like shelling out £350 for a new mobo.  Or a new machine, for that matter.
[08:07] <christel> good morning
[08:38] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:49] <jacobw> morning
[09:00] <popey> pip pip
[09:02] <Guest_> hi room
[09:03] <Guest_> is this the only chat room for linux
[09:04] <jacobw> there's many
[09:04] <jacobw> this is the UK channel for Ubuntu
[09:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:04] <jacobw> morning brobostigon
[09:05] <jacobw> Guest_: see #ubuntu also
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[09:06] <Guest_> this seems more technical than i was looking for
[09:07] <Guest_> i was thinking something like paltalk?
[09:08] <jacobw> this is IRC, it's like the social network for nerds :)
[09:09] <dwatkins> I'm not sure IRC even has the option for enabling video.
[09:09] <jacobw> hahaha
[09:10]  * jacobw is happy with text based communication modes
[09:10] <dwatkins> As am I, jacobw. I just looked up paltalk and I see it's a client with the option for video and group chat.
[09:12] <christel> someone asked why freenode doesnt do "video chat" yesterday
[09:13] <christel> i pondered the concept for a minute and got scared senseless by the prospect of potentially watching 80K+ geeks, i decided i much prefer text!
[09:13] <jacobw> lol
[09:14] <christel> otoh it could be quite amusing to be a fly on the wall when some of the trollier of people get their kicks, i always envision them a bit like overexcited chimpansees
[09:16] <jacobw> i don't wanna see that
[09:16] <AlanBell> gibbons
[09:27] <Myrtti> I need to decide do I want to upgrade my sisters 10.04 or reinstall with 12.04 Xubuntu
[09:28] <popey> \o/ Myrtti
[09:28] <popey> is she using xfce on 10.04 or Guh-nome?
[09:29] <Myrtti> Gnome, with one panel on the bottom with everything in one menu set up to be as close to Win95/98/2000 as possible
[09:30] <popey> you could probably get the same effect with gnome fallback?
[09:30] <popey> gnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session
[09:30] <elfy> mine's set up more or less like that Myrtti with xubuntu
[09:30] <AlanBell> if you want to try unity then go for quantal
[09:31] <Myrtti> I'm not putting anything else than LTS on this machine
[09:31] <popey> wise
[09:31] <popey> but if it's 10.04 era, then what spec is it? might not run unity nicely
[09:31] <jacobw> unity in lts not good enough?
[09:31] <Myrtti> I've got enough in my hands with her computer problems without needing to upgrade every six months
[09:31] <popey> heh
[09:32] <popey> my mum is on 12.04, she's not moving off that anytime soon :)
[09:32] <Myrtti> jacobw: that was in response of AlanBell's suggestion
[09:32] <jacobw> yeah
[09:32] <popey> I'm really happy with 12.04 on my laptop, I'm resisting moving off it
[09:32] <popey> but I have to test 12.10 a lot so have to have another pc with it on
[09:33] <popey> especially given virtualbox is broken :(
[09:33] <AlanBell> jacobw, unity is still new and being fixed
[09:33] <jacobw> kvm/qemu?
[09:33] <AlanBell> even more broken
[09:33] <Myrtti> popey: Dell Optiplex GX620, with 1GB of RAM and Intel Pentium "3.00GHz"
[09:34] <popey> kvm/qemu dont do 3d passthrough
[09:34] <popey> Myrtti, yeah, that'll be better running something leaner IMO, fallback or xfce would be nice
[09:34] <AlanBell> virtualbox works, but won't use the native drivers
[09:34] <AlanBell> so llvmpipe
[09:35] <Myrtti> if I had more money to throw into her computer problems at the moment, I'd buy more RAM
[09:35] <AlanBell> will upgrade the kids to quantal later I think
[09:35] <Myrtti> I'm still considering do I want to get her another two years of Flickr Pro when she doesn't know how to share pictures from F-Spot to it :-(
[09:36] <Myrtti> she still wants to email the pictures as email attachments :-C
[09:36] <Myrtti> "NNNOOOOOOO"
[09:41]  * AlanBell opens up three ssh sessions and logs in as daddy
[09:41] <christel> :o
[09:55] <popey> czajkowski, which robbie is fc on about?
[09:55] <AlanBell> wonder if they will notice
[09:56] <popey> I made the kids "wtf" the other day by sshing in, suing to them and then exporting DISPLAY and running "scrot" to get a screenshot of what they were doing
[09:56] <popey> "How'd you get that on your screen!?"
[09:56] <popey> "Can you see what we're doing all the time!?"
[09:56] <popey> worried looks on their faces :)
[09:58] <AlanBell> :)
[09:59] <jacobw> espeak "muh ha ha ha ha ha" ftw
[10:02] <AlanBell> something wonderful has happened, your computer has come alive!
[10:03] <AlanBell> (a phrase that earned me a detention once)
[10:03] <christel> :o
[10:03]  * jacobw watches bone s8e1
[10:04] <jacobw> testing intercoms is always fun :)
[10:05] <AlanBell> so that is 1.5TB of precise updates done, now why does sudo do-release-upgrade -d tell me there is no new release found?
[10:05] <jacobw> do you a local mirror?
[10:06] <AlanBell> squid-deb-proxy
[10:06] <AlanBell> and 70mb broadband :)
[10:06] <StevenR> AlanBell: how is that bband delivered? (VM-Cable? FTTC?)
[10:06] <popey> AlanBell, LTS only
[10:06] <AlanBell> fttc
[10:07] <popey> see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[10:07] <popey> Prompt=lts
[10:07] <popey> change that to =normal
[10:07] <popey> then do-release-upgrade -d will work
[10:07] <AlanBell> cool, thanks
[10:07] <popey> np
[10:08] <AlanBell> StevenR: it outruns my wifi, I need to work out how to get more than 30mb across what should be wireless N
[10:08] <StevenR> AlanBell: using 40MHz channels? (Can you use 5GHz N?)
[10:08] <AlanBell> not sure, I poked about with the settings a bit
[10:09] <AlanBell> couldn't see what to do
[10:09] <StevenR> AlanBell: what hardware?
[10:09] <popey> does it have two radios?
[10:09] <jacobw> that's pretty crazy
[10:10] <jacobw> you need mimo
[10:10] <AlanBell> netgear wnr1000v3
[10:10]  * popey hugs his wndr3700
[10:10] <popey> \o/ ddwrt
[10:10] <AlanBell> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[10:10] <AlanBell> on the laptop
[10:11] <AlanBell> I only found out the other day that I could go from 30mb over wireless to 70mb plugged in direct
[10:13]  * popey shuts down his server to move it elsewhere
[10:15] <popey> wow, office much quieter with server off shocker
[10:16] <StevenR> AlanBell: the datasheet suggests it can't do mimo, however you might get better performance with a) 40MHz channels if it supports it or b) Picking a better/less crowded channel (I find the Wifi Analyzer android app easiest for this)
[10:18] <AlanBell> popey: I ripped all the fans out of my server, boot from an SD card and set the hdd to spin down
[10:19] <brobostigon> i decided on owncloud, go the basics working last night, :)
[10:19] <brobostigon> got*
[10:19] <jacobw> owncloud is awesome
[10:20] <brobostigon> :)
[10:21] <brobostigon> was dead easy to install, it was there in the repos, and did most of the setup for me.
[10:21] <popey> AlanBell, mine has 12 disks, i think no fans in it would hurt
[10:21] <popey> especially as they're spinning most of the day
[10:23]  * dwatkins discovers the joys of being friendzoned once more
[10:25] <AlanBell> popey: why are they spinning?
[10:26] <dwatkins> Do RAID arrays not spin all the time they're on anyway?
[10:26] <AlanBell> raid of ssd ftw
[10:26] <dwatkins> Perhaps you're asking why the server is up all day, sorry AlanBell
[10:26] <dwatkins> heh, yeah - although continuously writing to SSD can't be good for it.
[10:27] <AlanBell> it is *fine*
[10:27] <Myrtti> the Optiplex wasn't booting and lit the diagnostics lights in an undocumented way. In an attempt to find out what was wrong, I opened it up and cleaned the fan and heatsink and refreshed the thermal paste. It's amazing how quiet the computer is now
[10:27] <dwatkins> Myrtti: win :)
[10:27] <AlanBell> I boot from an SD card, bulk storage is on a 3TB spinning rust drive
[10:27] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if the booting problem disappeared yet though :-|
[10:27] <dwatkins> This reminds me, I need a new PC - anyone near Edinburgh got an old desktop they don't want anymore?
[10:27] <AlanBell> but that only spins up to collect a backup from another computer
[10:28] <AlanBell> stuff like irssi and the few websites on that box run from the sd card
[10:28] <dwatkins> AlanBell: yeah, that's how I had my server setup when I was using a desktop machine, and pretty much how my netbook server works too
[10:28] <dwatkins> I do tend to run things all the time in the background now, like icecast, just for fun.
[10:28] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I should find out why icecast2 is transcoding and taking lots of CPU time.
[10:40] <Myrtti> of course Crucial website offers me a RAM upgrade I can't get from Finland :-<
[10:40] <dwatkins> Myrtti: they won't deliver to you? :(
[10:41] <Myrtti> well they probably would, but delivering from US is bound to be more expensive than buying directly from a reseller
[10:53] <popey> AlanBell, they are spinning because they're constantly in use
[10:53] <popey> i backup every 6 hours and it takes ~4 hours to backup :)
[10:54] <popey> and I'd love for you to buy me 12TB in SSD  to replace it :)
[10:57] <Myrtti> anyone have experience in buying stuff from Kikatek?
[10:59] <popey> Myrtti, what exact type of RAM is it? I may have some spare in my box-o-ram
[11:00] <dwatkins> popey: wow, that's a pretty serious backup schedule
[11:01] <popey> its the default with rsnapshot
[11:01] <popey> i backup my laptop, desktop, family computer and some remote boxes and keep houly, daily, weekly, monthly
[11:01] <Myrtti> DDR2 DIMM 240-pin, I'm not entirely sure how fast it can be, Crucial and Kingston seem to recommend 667MHz, but the machine has 533 at the moment
[11:01]  * popey looks
[11:01] <popey> what size? 1GB?
[11:02] <popey> i.e. whats the max it can take?
[11:03] <popey> Myrtti, found some PC2 7200 2GB
[11:03] <popey> part number: OCZ2N9002GK
[11:03] <popey> two of them
[11:04] <popey> also, a transcend 1GB DDR2 800 DIMM CL5, PN: 509567-2381
[11:04] <Myrtti> huh, just had a massive cramp in my thigh, out of breath now
[11:04]  * Myrtti digs for specs
[11:05]  * AlanBell has a 1GB PC2 5300 CT12364AA667.8FG
[11:05]  * popey puts to one side and makes lunch
[11:05] <popey> lemme know
[11:05] <AlanBell> gave most of the rest of my desktop ram sticks away
[11:05] <Myrtti> Dell seems to think that 4GB is the max, so does Crucial
[11:06] <AlanBell> how many slots?
[11:06] <Myrtti> four
[11:07] <Myrtti> it's not a bad computer, it's just a bit old and underaccessorised.
[11:07] <AlanBell> what is in the slots at the moment?
[11:08] <Myrtti> two 512K's, product: M3 78T6553CZ3-CD5
[11:09] <Myrtti> M's, even
[11:10] <jacobw> ah crap, i'm going to have to upgrade to quantal
[11:11] <jacobw> i'm just a sucker for shiny new things
[11:11] <AlanBell> Myrtti: well I am happy to post this 1GB stick somewhere if you want it
[11:12] <AlanBell> dunno if your desktop will want them in pairs though
[11:20] <Myrtti> AlanBell: yeah, I don't know either, I suppose they recommend it
[11:44]  * StevenR mutters about the difficulty of finding a sensibly priced router/firewall box
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: routerboard.com
[11:48] <jacobw> mikrotik :)
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: their routeros takes some getting used to.. but it works great :)
[11:49] <jacobw> yeah, it's very good
[11:50] <jacobw> i just had a bad experience trying to use their scripting language update dns with dhcp hostnames
[11:54] <czajkowski> popey: robbie on server team / Arm guy based down that way was at oggcamp
[11:55] <popey> yeah, couldn't find a robbie on the directory
[11:55] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: the hardware seems sensible... is the os sane?
[11:57] <jacobw> StevenR: it's quite sensible, and it has a API
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> it has a web interface too
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> and a telnet/ssh interface
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> I like it
[11:58] <jacobw> i didn't know it had a web interface
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> it looks almost like the "Winbox" interface
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> (from the Windows management UI app)
[12:02] <czajkowski> hmm where did popey go
[12:04] <jacobw> winbox also runs fine in wine
[12:20]  * christel strokes czajkowski 
[13:13] <mattt> woah now
[13:35] <dogmatic69> hehe bug 1055766
[13:39] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Pointed out to me as a wonderful example of trolling
[13:39] <penguin42> (or how to explain trolling to those not internet savvy)
[13:41]  * AlanBell likes the Isabel Fay song for explaining that
[13:42] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA (bits might be a tiny bit rudeish)
[13:47] <penguin42> hehe nicely done
[13:48] <Azelphur> AlanBell: haha, I love that song xD
[13:51] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[13:54] <StevenR> MartijnVdS, jacobw thanks for the suggestions :)
[14:11] <ali1234> penguin42: on a similar note, commandlinefu.com has a search box on it which says "type here to grep the archive" but which does NOT accept regular expressions
[14:12] <ali1234> i was disappoint
[14:15] <penguin42> ali1234: Haha yes that's a bit of an ommission
[16:24] <RadiumCat> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xKnmnxsjAUo/UGW7f05ibAI/AAAAAAAAQDk/NNEsYYWu3vw/s1600/oacg570.gif
[16:33] <popey> http://speedtest.net/ broken?
[16:33] <popey> i click begin test and it says its evaluating best server, never finishes
[16:35] <AlanBell> popey: aaah, I was having trouble with that earlier too
[16:36] <AlanBell> popey: fwm now, but I was trying on the kids computers and it wasn't
[16:36] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2210379891.png need more wifi powah
[16:37] <AlanBell> s/fwm/wfm/
[17:01] <popey> hmm, seems okay now
[17:24] <jacobw> evening
[17:56] <bigcalm_laptop> Hallo peeps
[17:57] <brobostigon> evening jacobw and bigcalm_laptop
[17:57] <bigcalm_laptop> o/
[17:58] <brobostigon> o/
[18:13] <christel> hullu kids
[18:14] <bigcalm_laptop> It's christel :)
[18:16] <christel> it is!
[18:16] <christel> and now she must GO
[18:16] <christel> i think
[18:19] <bigcalm_laptop> christel: fair thee well and stuff ;) Have a good evening
[19:05] <jacobw> hez
[20:11] <mattt> evening all
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:27] <pinky-> o/
[20:45] <popey> evening all
[20:45] <pinky-> good evening popey
[20:45] <pinky-> no pub tonight?
[20:47] <popey> me? no
[20:47] <pinky-> popey, ok, my excuse is I'm tea-total, are you just having a break?
[20:48] <popey> a break from?
[20:48] <pinky-> SAturday night rituals
[20:48] <pinky-> oops for caps
[20:48] <popey> I'm married with kids :)
[20:48] <popey> Saturday night is generally in
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Night :)
[20:48] <pinky-> ahh ok that makes sense
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> Appropriate post-Doctor music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfX8MW9g2Q
[20:52] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, singer sounds like Sinéad O'Connor
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: she's saner though
[20:54] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, most people are :o
[20:55] <pinky-> I have a script on my irc cleient that when I type a nick follwed by : it opens a private message window.. I might have a look to remove it for functionality on Freenode
[20:55] <pinky-> Client*
[20:56] <pinky-> and get with the mode
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> just use irssi
[21:03]  * MartijnVdS has a script-less irssi
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> some aliases, but no scripts
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ for example
[21:03] <pinky-> MartijnVdS, yes irssi is an old classic
[21:03] <pinky-> and still relevent
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> ♥ irssi
[21:03] <pinky-> The other place I'm from the chatters are not so punctional and don't add : after typing a nick for direction, I just don't want to annoy so will look into it after a freash coffee. Infact I'm that paranoid now is reason why I've even mentioned it.
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> pinky-: At work, people copy/paste the entire first bit of the line instead of jsut tab-completing
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> so the so:
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> so they do*
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> < pinky->
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> which is VERY annoying :)
[21:04] <pinky-> ok, now I know
[21:05] <pinky-> time-stamps re-paste annoys me sometimes, but not all
[21:05] <pinky-> depends if I wanted to know or not:)
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> so do that too
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> But they tend to make the sysadmins angry.. so that gets.. "dealt with"
[21:06] <jacobw> graphical irc feels wrong :(
[21:07] <Darael> My irssi's been segfaulting every few days.  The xmpp module seems to have got less stable.  At least, I /think/ that's what it is.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> Darael: xmpp in irssi? you scary scary man.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> Darael: just use bitlbee :)
[21:08] <Darael> MartijnVdS: There's a plugin in the repos.  And bitlbee doesn't integrate as nicely as a proper plugin.
[21:08] <Darael> I can't /roster and similar without setting up a whole host of aliases if I use bitlbee.
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> I tend to use gtalk inside gmail anyway
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> and not much else
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Time for zzz
[21:10] <Darael> On my own machines I use psi+ for my xmpp, but I'm frequently on others.  Especially since my lappy's currently out of action.
[22:33] <pinky-> cool I have managed to successfully edit my script and can now use : after a nick without loads of nonsense happening:)
[22:34] <Darael> Excellent.
[22:34] <pinky-> Darael: thanks
[22:34] <Darael> I still think irssi is better than mIRC.  I may be somewhat biased.
[22:35] <Darael> Hmm, that reminds me, I should set my CTCP VERSION response to something improbable.
[22:35] <Darael> irssi v1.0?
[22:35] <pinky-> Darael: I never said I was using mIRC. what made you think I was?:)
[22:35] <Darael> pinky-: I ran a CTCP VERSION and it said so.  Of course that could have been a custom VERSION string deceiving me.
[22:36] <Darael> pinky-: mIRC v7.22 Khaled Mardam-Bey, to be precise.
[22:36] <pinky-> Darael: my last ctfcp reply said "oops someone stole it from me"
[22:36] <pinky-> :)
[22:36] <pinky-> without the f
[22:37] <pinky-> was a typo.. yet again!
[22:37] <Darael> That's not bad.  Still tempted by "irssi v1.0", although I think I should also claim it's running on, say, a Beeb.
[22:37] <Darael> Or a Spectrum.
[22:37] <pinky-> Vic-20 :o
[22:38] <Darael> Colossus?
[22:38] <pinky-> Commodore Vic 20.. slightly before the spectrum
[22:39] <Darael> I know.  I was making another suggestion.
[22:39] <Darael> How about the Analytical Machine?
[22:40] <pinky-> no, no and no.. I'm dumb and know very little
[22:41] <pinky-> I will look it up once I've made a freash coffee
[22:42] <Darael> The Analytical Machine was Babbage's later unfinished project.  A mechanical computer, a successor to the Difference Engine.
[22:43] <christel> COFFEE
[22:45] <Darael> Coffee?  What is this witchcraft?
[22:48] <pinky-> Darael: it is pure Voodoo
[22:49] <Darael> Tell me more.
[22:50] <pinky-> no lame decaf for me:)
[23:40] <ddtge> hi
[23:40] <ddtge> what image viewer support animated sideshow?
[23:44]  * penguin42 suspects imagemagick's does
[23:49] <ddtge> penguin42, i want to use it like a digital photo frame.
[23:52] <penguin42> ddtge: try the 'display' program from graphicsmagick package, it can do most things
[23:53] <ddtge> penguin42, now i'm work with feh, but i can't find a way to make animated transition
[23:56] <penguin42> ddtge: I've not tried anything for pretty display of images; display is more a tool - it can do most things, it's not necessary nice about it
[23:57] <ddtge> i see.
[23:58] <ddtge> i'm after the installation of graphicsmagick package, but i can't find how to use it..
[23:58] <penguin42> I said it wasn't necessarily pretty :-)
[23:59] <ddtge> if i type 'display' in the terminal it can't fine the command..
[23:59] <penguin42> odd
[23:59] <ddtge> The program 'display' can be found in the following packages:
[23:59] <ddtge>  * imagemagick
[23:59] <ddtge>  * graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat