=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [04:32] hahaha, the system 76 laptop... it's a zoostorm [04:36] ali1234: haha, fun [04:38] the system 76 does have a better graphics card actually [04:38] they're not identical spec, but they are clearly built by the same company [04:42] ali1234: doesn't surprise me, I imagine system 76 buys em naked OS and then sets up Ubuntu on em [04:46] well system 76 are configurable at least slightly [04:47] no doubt whoever builds these can do whatever setup you want and stick your logo on them [04:48] https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/1zYXy4jC2T8 [05:03] I can see a few design differences [05:04] but they are admittedly very similar and the system76 is most likely a modified zoostorm [05:04] :) [07:47] they are both clevo [07:48] first laptop I paid for myself was a clevo - cost me £2,000 or so [07:48] 1600x1200 screen, three internal hard drives, it rocked [07:49] but it was a bit heavy [07:50] Hmm, talking of clevo, I need to find someone who can repair a DC jack. Really don't feel like shelling out £350 for a new mobo. Or a new machine, for that matter. [08:07] good morning [08:38] hiya [08:49] morning [09:00] pip pip [09:02] hi room [09:03] is this the only chat room for linux [09:04] there's many [09:04] this is the UK channel for Ubuntu [09:04] good morning everyone. [09:04] morning brobostigon [09:05] Guest_: see #ubuntu also [09:05] morning jacobw [09:06] this seems more technical than i was looking for [09:07] i was thinking something like paltalk? [09:08] this is IRC, it's like the social network for nerds :) [09:09] I'm not sure IRC even has the option for enabling video. [09:09] hahaha [09:10] * jacobw is happy with text based communication modes [09:10] As am I, jacobw. I just looked up paltalk and I see it's a client with the option for video and group chat. [09:12] someone asked why freenode doesnt do "video chat" yesterday [09:13] i pondered the concept for a minute and got scared senseless by the prospect of potentially watching 80K+ geeks, i decided i much prefer text! [09:13] lol [09:14] otoh it could be quite amusing to be a fly on the wall when some of the trollier of people get their kicks, i always envision them a bit like overexcited chimpansees [09:16] i don't wanna see that [09:16] gibbons [09:27] I need to decide do I want to upgrade my sisters 10.04 or reinstall with 12.04 Xubuntu [09:28] \o/ Myrtti [09:28] is she using xfce on 10.04 or Guh-nome? [09:29] Gnome, with one panel on the bottom with everything in one menu set up to be as close to Win95/98/2000 as possible [09:30] you could probably get the same effect with gnome fallback? [09:30] gnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session [09:30] mine's set up more or less like that Myrtti with xubuntu [09:30] if you want to try unity then go for quantal [09:31] I'm not putting anything else than LTS on this machine [09:31] wise [09:31] but if it's 10.04 era, then what spec is it? might not run unity nicely [09:31] unity in lts not good enough? [09:31] I've got enough in my hands with her computer problems without needing to upgrade every six months [09:31] heh [09:32] my mum is on 12.04, she's not moving off that anytime soon :) [09:32] jacobw: that was in response of AlanBell's suggestion [09:32] yeah [09:32] I'm really happy with 12.04 on my laptop, I'm resisting moving off it [09:32] but I have to test 12.10 a lot so have to have another pc with it on [09:33] especially given virtualbox is broken :( [09:33] jacobw, unity is still new and being fixed [09:33] kvm/qemu? [09:33] even more broken [09:33] popey: Dell Optiplex GX620, with 1GB of RAM and Intel Pentium "3.00GHz" [09:34] kvm/qemu dont do 3d passthrough [09:34] Myrtti, yeah, that'll be better running something leaner IMO, fallback or xfce would be nice [09:34] virtualbox works, but won't use the native drivers [09:34] so llvmpipe [09:35] if I had more money to throw into her computer problems at the moment, I'd buy more RAM [09:35] will upgrade the kids to quantal later I think [09:35] I'm still considering do I want to get her another two years of Flickr Pro when she doesn't know how to share pictures from F-Spot to it :-( [09:36] she still wants to email the pictures as email attachments :-C [09:36] "NNNOOOOOOO" [09:41] * AlanBell opens up three ssh sessions and logs in as daddy [09:41] :o [09:55] czajkowski, which robbie is fc on about? [09:55] wonder if they will notice [09:56] I made the kids "wtf" the other day by sshing in, suing to them and then exporting DISPLAY and running "scrot" to get a screenshot of what they were doing [09:56] "How'd you get that on your screen!?" [09:56] "Can you see what we're doing all the time!?" [09:56] worried looks on their faces :) [09:58] :) [09:59] espeak "muh ha ha ha ha ha" ftw [10:02] something wonderful has happened, your computer has come alive! [10:03] (a phrase that earned me a detention once) [10:03] :o [10:03] * jacobw watches bone s8e1 [10:04] testing intercoms is always fun :) [10:05] so that is 1.5TB of precise updates done, now why does sudo do-release-upgrade -d tell me there is no new release found? [10:05] do you a local mirror? [10:06] squid-deb-proxy [10:06] and 70mb broadband :) [10:06] AlanBell: how is that bband delivered? (VM-Cable? FTTC?) [10:06] AlanBell, LTS only [10:06] fttc [10:07] see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades [10:07] Prompt=lts [10:07] change that to =normal [10:07] then do-release-upgrade -d will work [10:07] cool, thanks [10:07] np [10:08] StevenR: it outruns my wifi, I need to work out how to get more than 30mb across what should be wireless N [10:08] AlanBell: using 40MHz channels? (Can you use 5GHz N?) [10:08] not sure, I poked about with the settings a bit [10:09] couldn't see what to do [10:09] AlanBell: what hardware? [10:09] does it have two radios? [10:09] that's pretty crazy [10:10] you need mimo [10:10] netgear wnr1000v3 [10:10] * popey hugs his wndr3700 [10:10] \o/ ddwrt [10:10] 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) [10:10] on the laptop [10:11] I only found out the other day that I could go from 30mb over wireless to 70mb plugged in direct [10:13] * popey shuts down his server to move it elsewhere [10:15] wow, office much quieter with server off shocker [10:16] AlanBell: the datasheet suggests it can't do mimo, however you might get better performance with a) 40MHz channels if it supports it or b) Picking a better/less crowded channel (I find the Wifi Analyzer android app easiest for this) [10:18] popey: I ripped all the fans out of my server, boot from an SD card and set the hdd to spin down [10:19] i decided on owncloud, go the basics working last night, :) [10:19] got* [10:19] owncloud is awesome [10:20] :) [10:21] was dead easy to install, it was there in the repos, and did most of the setup for me. [10:21] AlanBell, mine has 12 disks, i think no fans in it would hurt [10:21] especially as they're spinning most of the day [10:23] * dwatkins discovers the joys of being friendzoned once more [10:25] popey: why are they spinning? [10:26] Do RAID arrays not spin all the time they're on anyway? [10:26] raid of ssd ftw [10:26] Perhaps you're asking why the server is up all day, sorry AlanBell [10:26] heh, yeah - although continuously writing to SSD can't be good for it. [10:27] it is *fine* [10:27] the Optiplex wasn't booting and lit the diagnostics lights in an undocumented way. In an attempt to find out what was wrong, I opened it up and cleaned the fan and heatsink and refreshed the thermal paste. It's amazing how quiet the computer is now [10:27] Myrtti: win :) [10:27] I boot from an SD card, bulk storage is on a 3TB spinning rust drive [10:27] I'm not sure if the booting problem disappeared yet though :-| [10:27] This reminds me, I need a new PC - anyone near Edinburgh got an old desktop they don't want anymore? [10:27] but that only spins up to collect a backup from another computer [10:28] stuff like irssi and the few websites on that box run from the sd card [10:28] AlanBell: yeah, that's how I had my server setup when I was using a desktop machine, and pretty much how my netbook server works too [10:28] I do tend to run things all the time in the background now, like icecast, just for fun. [10:28] That reminds me, I should find out why icecast2 is transcoding and taking lots of CPU time. [10:40] of course Crucial website offers me a RAM upgrade I can't get from Finland :-< [10:40] Myrtti: they won't deliver to you? :( [10:41] well they probably would, but delivering from US is bound to be more expensive than buying directly from a reseller [10:53] AlanBell, they are spinning because they're constantly in use [10:53] i backup every 6 hours and it takes ~4 hours to backup :) [10:54] and I'd love for you to buy me 12TB in SSD to replace it :) [10:57] anyone have experience in buying stuff from Kikatek? [10:59] Myrtti, what exact type of RAM is it? I may have some spare in my box-o-ram === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:00] popey: wow, that's a pretty serious backup schedule [11:01] its the default with rsnapshot [11:01] i backup my laptop, desktop, family computer and some remote boxes and keep houly, daily, weekly, monthly [11:01] DDR2 DIMM 240-pin, I'm not entirely sure how fast it can be, Crucial and Kingston seem to recommend 667MHz, but the machine has 533 at the moment [11:01] * popey looks [11:01] what size? 1GB? [11:02] i.e. whats the max it can take? [11:03] Myrtti, found some PC2 7200 2GB [11:03] part number: OCZ2N9002GK [11:03] two of them [11:04] also, a transcend 1GB DDR2 800 DIMM CL5, PN: 509567-2381 [11:04] huh, just had a massive cramp in my thigh, out of breath now [11:04] * Myrtti digs for specs [11:05] * AlanBell has a 1GB PC2 5300 CT12364AA667.8FG [11:05] * popey puts to one side and makes lunch [11:05] lemme know [11:05] gave most of the rest of my desktop ram sticks away [11:05] Dell seems to think that 4GB is the max, so does Crucial [11:06] how many slots? [11:06] four [11:07] it's not a bad computer, it's just a bit old and underaccessorised. [11:07] what is in the slots at the moment? [11:08] two 512K's, product: M3 78T6553CZ3-CD5 [11:09] M's, even [11:10] ah crap, i'm going to have to upgrade to quantal [11:11] i'm just a sucker for shiny new things [11:11] Myrtti: well I am happy to post this 1GB stick somewhere if you want it [11:12] dunno if your desktop will want them in pairs though [11:20] AlanBell: yeah, I don't know either, I suppose they recommend it [11:44] * StevenR mutters about the difficulty of finding a sensibly priced router/firewall box [11:46] StevenR: routerboard.com [11:48] mikrotik :) [11:49] jacobw: their routeros takes some getting used to.. but it works great :) [11:49] yeah, it's very good [11:50] i just had a bad experience trying to use their scripting language update dns with dhcp hostnames [11:54] popey: robbie on server team / Arm guy based down that way was at oggcamp [11:55] yeah, couldn't find a robbie on the directory [11:55] MartijnVdS: the hardware seems sensible... is the os sane? [11:57] StevenR: it's quite sensible, and it has a API [11:57] it has a web interface too [11:57] and a telnet/ssh interface [11:57] I like it [11:58] i didn't know it had a web interface [11:58] it looks almost like the "Winbox" interface [11:59] (from the Windows management UI app) [12:02] hmm where did popey go [12:04] winbox also runs fine in wine [12:20] * christel strokes czajkowski [13:13] woah now [13:35] hehe bug 1055766 [13:35] Launchpad bug 1055766 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "grep -R doesn't automatically search amazon" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055766 [13:39] dogmatic69: Pointed out to me as a wonderful example of trolling [13:39] (or how to explain trolling to those not internet savvy) [13:41] * AlanBell likes the Isabel Fay song for explaining that [13:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2jbCJXkpA (bits might be a tiny bit rudeish) [13:47] hehe nicely done [13:48] AlanBell: haha, I love that song xD [13:51] boo! [13:54] MartijnVdS, jacobw thanks for the suggestions :) [14:11] penguin42: on a similar note, commandlinefu.com has a search box on it which says "type here to grep the archive" but which does NOT accept regular expressions [14:12] i was disappoint [14:15] ali1234: Haha yes that's a bit of an ommission === `Cat` is now known as RadiumCat [16:24] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xKnmnxsjAUo/UGW7f05ibAI/AAAAAAAAQDk/NNEsYYWu3vw/s1600/oacg570.gif [16:33] http://speedtest.net/ broken? [16:33] i click begin test and it says its evaluating best server, never finishes [16:35] popey: aaah, I was having trouble with that earlier too [16:36] popey: fwm now, but I was trying on the kids computers and it wasn't [16:36] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2210379891.png need more wifi powah [16:37] s/fwm/wfm/ [17:01] hmm, seems okay now === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:24] evening [17:56] Hallo peeps [17:57] evening jacobw and bigcalm_laptop [17:57] o/ [17:58] o/ [18:13] hullu kids [18:14] It's christel :) [18:16] it is! [18:16] and now she must GO [18:16] i think [18:19] christel: fair thee well and stuff ;) Have a good evening [19:05] hez [20:11] evening all [20:14] \o [20:27] o/ [20:45] evening all [20:45] good evening popey [20:45] no pub tonight? [20:47] me? no [20:47] popey, ok, my excuse is I'm tea-total, are you just having a break? [20:48] a break from? [20:48] SAturday night rituals [20:48] oops for caps [20:48] I'm married with kids :) [20:48] Saturday night is generally in [20:48] Doctor Night :) [20:48] ahh ok that makes sense [20:51] Appropriate post-Doctor music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfX8MW9g2Q [20:52] MartijnVdS, singer sounds like Sinéad O'Connor [20:53] pinky-: she's saner though [20:54] MartijnVdS, most people are :o === zleap-netbook is now known as zleap [20:55] I have a script on my irc cleient that when I type a nick follwed by : it opens a private message window.. I might have a look to remove it for functionality on Freenode [20:55] Client* [20:56] and get with the mode [21:02] just use irssi [21:03] * MartijnVdS has a script-less irssi [21:03] some aliases, but no scripts [21:03] ಠ_ಠ for example [21:03] MartijnVdS, yes irssi is an old classic [21:03] and still relevent [21:03] ♥ irssi [21:03] The other place I'm from the chatters are not so punctional and don't add : after typing a nick for direction, I just don't want to annoy so will look into it after a freash coffee. Infact I'm that paranoid now is reason why I've even mentioned it. [21:04] pinky-: At work, people copy/paste the entire first bit of the line instead of jsut tab-completing [21:04] so the so: [21:04] so they do* [21:04] < pinky-> [21:04] which is VERY annoying :) [21:04] ok, now I know [21:05] time-stamps re-paste annoys me sometimes, but not all [21:05] depends if I wanted to know or not:) [21:05] so do that too [21:06] But they tend to make the sysadmins angry.. so that gets.. "dealt with" [21:06] graphical irc feels wrong :( [21:07] My irssi's been segfaulting every few days. The xmpp module seems to have got less stable. At least, I /think/ that's what it is. [21:07] Darael: xmpp in irssi? you scary scary man. [21:07] Darael: just use bitlbee :) [21:08] MartijnVdS: There's a plugin in the repos. And bitlbee doesn't integrate as nicely as a proper plugin. [21:08] I can't /roster and similar without setting up a whole host of aliases if I use bitlbee. [21:09] I tend to use gtalk inside gmail anyway [21:09] and not much else [21:10] Time for zzz [21:10] On my own machines I use psi+ for my xmpp, but I'm frequently on others. Especially since my lappy's currently out of action. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Guest18360 is now known as YDdraigGoch [22:33] cool I have managed to successfully edit my script and can now use : after a nick without loads of nonsense happening:) [22:34] Excellent. [22:34] Darael: thanks [22:34] I still think irssi is better than mIRC. I may be somewhat biased. [22:35] Hmm, that reminds me, I should set my CTCP VERSION response to something improbable. [22:35] irssi v1.0? [22:35] Darael: I never said I was using mIRC. what made you think I was?:) [22:35] pinky-: I ran a CTCP VERSION and it said so. Of course that could have been a custom VERSION string deceiving me. [22:36] pinky-: mIRC v7.22 Khaled Mardam-Bey, to be precise. [22:36] Darael: my last ctfcp reply said "oops someone stole it from me" [22:36] :) [22:36] without the f [22:37] was a typo.. yet again! [22:37] That's not bad. Still tempted by "irssi v1.0", although I think I should also claim it's running on, say, a Beeb. [22:37] Or a Spectrum. [22:37] Vic-20 :o [22:38] Colossus? [22:38] Commodore Vic 20.. slightly before the spectrum [22:39] I know. I was making another suggestion. [22:39] How about the Analytical Machine? [22:40] no, no and no.. I'm dumb and know very little [22:41] I will look it up once I've made a freash coffee [22:42] The Analytical Machine was Babbage's later unfinished project. A mechanical computer, a successor to the Difference Engine. [22:43] COFFEE [22:45] Coffee? What is this witchcraft? [22:48] Darael: it is pure Voodoo [22:49] Tell me more. [22:50] no lame decaf for me:) === uni4dfx is now known as sakib === sakib is now known as uni4dfx === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:40] hi [23:40] what image viewer support animated sideshow? [23:44] * penguin42 suspects imagemagick's does [23:49] penguin42, i want to use it like a digital photo frame. [23:52] ddtge: try the 'display' program from graphicsmagick package, it can do most things [23:53] penguin42, now i'm work with feh, but i can't find a way to make animated transition [23:56] ddtge: I've not tried anything for pretty display of images; display is more a tool - it can do most things, it's not necessary nice about it [23:57] i see. [23:58] i'm after the installation of graphicsmagick package, but i can't find how to use it.. [23:58] I said it wasn't necessarily pretty :-) [23:59] if i type 'display' in the terminal it can't fine the command.. [23:59] odd [23:59] The program 'display' can be found in the following packages: [23:59] * imagemagick [23:59] * graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat