[00:00] <len-dt> The Island
[00:00] <astraljava> Yeah ok. :)
[00:00] <len-dt> I'm in the Comox Valley
[00:01] <astraljava> Oooh! What a wonderful-looking Park right next to you!
[00:01] <astraljava> How's your commute?
[00:03]  * astraljava was just recently hiking beyond the Polar Circle.
[00:03] <astraljava> Damn, what I wouldn't give to be able to explore British Columbia.
[00:03] <astraljava> Also, Devin lives there. :)
[00:09] <len-dt> My commute to work is about 7 minutes.
[00:10] <len-dt> Our favourite place is the Sandy Island Marine Park
[00:16] <astraljava> Awww...
[00:16] <astraljava> No fair!!!
[00:24] <len-dt> Every place has their places to go that are special. We had a set of places we visited on the lower mainland as well.
[00:24] <len-dt> This is nice though. :)
[00:24] <astraljava> Sure, but that's way different from what we have.
[00:25] <len-dt> Way different from Calgary where I grew up too.
[00:25] <astraljava> Heh, so you're a Flame at heart, then? :)
[00:25] <len-dt> The Flames did not exist by the time I moved away.
[00:26] <len-dt> I think the major sports team was the Stampeders 
[00:27] <astraljava> Tigers?
[00:27] <astraljava> Oh, you're not _that_ old.
[00:27] <astraljava> *smirk*
[00:27] <len-dt> Half century
[00:28] <astraljava> Stampeders look like the major team, yeah.
[00:28] <len-dt> Almost a retired fart
[00:30] <astraljava> There's still that almost at the beginning. :)
[00:31] <len-dt> beginning of what? Still lots of life left. Maybe I am old enough to use it wisely :P
[00:32] <astraljava> Beginning of that sentence. :)
[00:33] <len-dt> Wow, our live testing sure shows a lot of bugs to look for
[00:34] <len-dt> Hmm, most of them are not ubuntustudio bugs
[00:45] <len-dt> Why did we add more test cases? It is not like we are overflowing with testers... or time.
[00:46] <len-dt> We should be testing things that are unique to our own flavour.
[08:57] <astraljava> len-dt: I'm thinking Howard just added something from Xubuntu or whatever. Talk to him about what things you feel are redundant with other flavors/vanilla.
[08:57] <astraljava> But from purely QA POV, everything should be tested on every flavor as well. If not for package consistency, then integration-wise.
[09:00] <ailo> astraljava: I also don't see the point in testing for bugs that are not Ubuntu Studio specific. 
[09:01] <ailo> That would just leave less room for what we are trying to do
[09:06] <ailo> len-dt: Are you talking about this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates/UbuntuStudioTestcase
[09:07] <ailo> I was working on reducing it, and adding something
[09:07] <ailo> I'll make the changes later today
[09:07] <astraljava> ailo: Just to rule out there aren't any weird settings that might cause issues with more standard apps. This is pretty basic IT QA.
[09:09] <ailo> astraljava: That's why I was trying to get a picture of what is custom for Ubuntu Studio before
[09:09] <ailo> So, we know which apps to test
[09:10] <ailo> Talking with Scott about it, I think most people would agree that we should try avoid making custom changes to the Xubuntu desktop as much as possible for maintenance reasons
[09:10] <ailo> Which also will reduce the amount of testing required
[09:11] <ailo> From our point of view, what we want is a good platform for multimedia production, and if we can happily ignore as much as possible of anything else, we save time and energy to do what it is we want to do
[09:13] <ailo> What grieves me the most right now is things like the jackd bug on 12.04
[09:14] <ailo> Things that are really important for us, but we haven't been able to fix in one way or another
[09:16] <astraljava> Yeah, that makes sense.
[10:02] <ailo> I changed the page, but it's still pretty much under construction https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates/UbuntuStudioTestcase#preview
[14:03]  * smartboyhw is happy ailo edited the testcase:P
[15:27] <ailo> Ok, so 10/10 is the deadline. I'll have another go att looking through until then.
[15:27] <ailo> Before then, I mean
[15:27]  * smartboyhw says there aren't actually a deadline it is just set by me :P
[15:28] <ailo> Well, it's a good time as any
[15:29] <smartboyhw> :P
[16:06] <len-dt> ailo, I am not sure why we are testing three different partitioning options.
[16:07] <len-dt> ailo, I am having a hard time seeing how that could be different for US from vanilla
[16:08] <len-dt> I am having a hard enough time finding time to test case for installs (missed beta 2 all together)
[19:47] <len-dt> astraljava, has xubuntu had any issues (either 12.04 or 12.10) with not being able to dismount a USB stick mounted by thunar/tumblerd?
[20:43] <ailo> len-dt: Partitioning?
[20:48] <ailo> len-dt: Unable to dismount, if any of the folders on the usb device are opened by a file manager?
[20:48] <ailo> Lately I've seen that unmounting is not possible if nautilus has opened something on the device
[21:04] <ailo> Or am I dreaming?
[21:04] <ailo> never mind. I'm about to soon anyway
[21:05] <ailo> len-dt: I guess we should test both install methods, but as for partitioning, I agree. Serves no purpose for US
[21:16] <len-dt> ailo, even if no folders on the USB device are being used, but have been.
[21:20] <len-dt> ailo, for example, put USB stick in and mount. Copy file to USB stick. Click on dismount triangle, FM goes to home directory and file finishes copying... that is activity light on USB device shows idle. Sign comes up saying device is busy. Close FM, reopen to home, still can't dismount.... check what app is holding it. tumblerd shows up kill tumblerd ... now I can dismount.
[21:27] <len-dt> ailo, none of the files copied seem to have been cut short by killing tumblerd.
[22:47] <astraljava> len-dt: I'm not aware, but then I haven't tested recent releases myself at all.
[22:56] <len-dt> astraljava, it is only something I found through daily use. Once off testing may not show it. And I haven't really tested 12.10 well in this respect because we ship nautilus as default.
[22:58] <astraljava> Yeah. I don't currently even have a machine with Xubuntu on it, anyway, so I cannot verify this.
[23:03] <acmeinc1> i do, though I missed the question :)  
[23:04] <len-dt> acmeinc1, I have had problems with thunar/tumblerd releasing a USB stick for dismount
[23:04] <len-dt> (in 12.04)
[23:05] <acmeinc1> did you try running 'sync 'from the command line before clicking the "eject" button?  i've always had problems w/ usb sticks and xubuntu
[23:05] <len-dt> I have, that did not help. I had to kill tumblerd
[23:06] <acmeinc1> ah, alright, then i'm not aware of anything...i can confirm my method has worked in the past, nothing has come up related to what you are seeing though
[23:06] <len-dt> Not always, but 50/50 or worse.
[23:07] <len-dt> Ok, I'll do more testing once I install 12.10 for daily use and not just quick tests.
[23:08] <len-dt> If I can get a set of steps that seems to always show the problem, I can bug it.
[23:08] <astraljava> len-dt: Have you asked on #xubuntu*
[23:09] <len-dt> Not so far, but at this point as I have not found the problem on 12.10 beta, only 12.04, I don't want to confuse things :)
[23:09] <astraljava> Yes, but that's an LTS, so if there's a bug, those people might wanna know. :)
[23:11] <len-dt> Yup, when I have time for better testing. My computer time since Sept has been a lot less.
[23:11] <len-dt> I want to make sure I describe exactly what I am doing
[23:13] <astraljava> Well yeah, that's good for bug reporting. But if someone there has time, you could just give them a heads-up. Who knows, maybe someone there can thoroughly triage it in beforehand.
[23:13] <len-dt> I'm also kinda worn out of the development thing for a bit.... I want to make some music for a change
[23:13] <astraljava> Now with that I can whole-heartedly relate to. :)
[23:20] <len-dt> Ok, I have set the question in xubuntu-devel.
[23:26] <astraljava> Thanks! :)