[00:01] <keithclark> penguin42, I cannot even start another login manager.  it just defaults to lightdm.
[00:03] <penguin42> keithclark: Previously you said you were using gdm, with lightdm is it letting you select the session?
[00:05] <keithclark> penguin42, I was in error, sorry about hat.
[00:05] <penguin42> ok, so you're problem is that in lightdm you can't select other sessions?
[00:05] <keithclark> Yes
[00:06] <trism> keithclark: there is currently a bug in unity-greeter where some of the other sessions aren't clickable, is that your problem? or does it not load the correct session after you log in?
[00:06] <trism> keithclark: the workaround for the moment for the first issue is using tab instead of the mouse
[00:06] <keithclark> Some are not clickable, others are
[00:06] <keithclark> Even if it is clickable, it still boots Unity
[00:07] <penguin42> the unclickable is bug 1052453
[00:07] <keithclark> Right, but I can click on some
[00:08] <penguin42> keithclark: There's a suggestion in the comments that if you use tab to select the right option and then space it might work?
[00:08] <keithclark> I shall give that a shot!
[00:08] <trism> keithclark: take a look at /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log to see what xsession file it is trying when you load the session
[00:09] <keithclark> Boy the other annoying thing slowing me down here is the Unity Lens issue.  There is no menu even to select programs.  I'm back to command line!
[00:15] <jbicha> keithclark: did you try Super+A (or Windows key+A) ?
[00:19] <keithclark> jbicha, yes.  I get the search screen coming up and can search for document.  I just cannot search for applications.  Nothing ever shows up.  There is of course no menu system any more so it is just not usable unless I remember what the program is called.
[00:20] <keithclark> I really wish they would just go back to the old way of doing things.  Add a fancy bar on the left sure, I don't care but at least leave the old menu system accessible.
[00:24] <keithclark> Bug report submitted
[01:04] <bjsnider> keithclark, you can search applications from overview in gnome-shell, sir
[01:07] <keithclark> bjsnider, thanks.  I managed to get xubuntu to start and that's what I'm running at the moment.  Refreshing!
[01:07] <bjsnider> yes. yes it is
[01:07] <keithclark> Unity was just driving me nuts!
[01:10] <bjsnider> it was doing its job
[01:10] <bjsnider> j/k
[01:13] <keithclark> Well I think I'll give Xubuntu a shot for awhile.  I also like Lubuntu quite a bit too.
[02:26] <Flumpy> Does anyone else have problems with Gmail accounts on Evolution? It refuses to acknowledge mine.
[03:49] <bjsnider> i don't know if i just noticed this, and it's always been like this, but if music files have pictures in the tags, nautilus will display the that image instead of the standard music icon for that file
[03:49] <Daekdroom> Yes, it's been like that for quite awhile.
[03:50] <Daekdroom> (i.e. as long as I can remember)
[05:48] <rymate1234> Hey
[05:48] <rymate1234> I have a slight problem
[05:48] <rymate1234> I just upgraded to 12.10
[05:49] <rymate1234> Now my DNS isn't working D:
[05:49] <rymate1234> 2
[05:49] <rymate1234> How do I fix it?
[05:50] <SwedeMike> does "dig +short A google.com @localhost" return anything useful?
[05:51] <rymate1234> Trying it now
[05:51] <rymate1234> Connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[05:51] <rymate1234> :(
[05:52] <SwedeMike> what about "dig +short A google.com @8.8.8.8"  ?
[05:52] <rymate1234> Crap load of IPs
[05:53] <SwedeMike> and "grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf" ?
[05:54] <rymate1234> Wait brb
[05:54] <rymate_1234> used that dig tool to find the freenode IP address :>
[05:55] <rymate_1234> grep: /etc/resolv.conf*: No such file or directory
[05:55] <rymate_1234> grep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory
[05:56] <rymate1234> :(
[05:56] <SwedeMike> I'm a bit surprised that the @localhost timed out and didn't give connection refused or an answer.
[05:57] <rymate1234> oh?
[05:57] <rymate1234> hmmm
[05:57] <rymate1234> I can ping localhost
[05:59]  * rymate1234 wants his dns back :(
[06:00] <SwedeMike> so what you could do for temporary measure is to configure 8.8.8.8 as static dns in connection manager, that might work until you figure out what the real problem is. That should hopefully put that in /etc/resolv.conf
[06:00] <SwedeMike> 8.8.8.8 is google dns
[06:01] <rymate1234> The thing is
[06:01] <rymate1234> that's the first thing I did
[06:03] <SwedeMike> ok, so as a very temporary measure, you could "echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf", but that might be overwritten next time you connect somewhere.
[06:03] <rymate1234> I assume this isn't normal
[06:03] <rymate1234> > sudo echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf
[06:03] <rymate1234> bash: /etc/resolv.conf: Permission denied
[06:03] <SwedeMike> you need to sudo -i first
[06:04] <rymate1234> oh
[06:04] <rymate1234> IT LIIIIIVES
[06:05] <SwedeMike> but this is definitely just patching the wound by putting some bandaid on it, you didn't actually solve the problem.
[06:05] <rymate1234> yay
[06:05] <SwedeMike> but unfortunately I have no idea what the real problem is.
[06:06] <SwedeMike> at least on my ubuntu 12.04 system, /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.0.1 and then there is a local resolver running . Hm, you could try "netstat -anp | grep :53" and see if anything is listening to port 53
[06:07] <SwedeMike> for me that says "udp        0      0 127.0.0.1:53            0.0.0.0:*                           13040/dnsmasq
[06:08] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/4VtEUran
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> SwedeMike, Please use a paste bin
[06:09] <SwedeMike> oki, so you actually have dnsmasq running there.
[06:09] <SwedeMike> wilee-nilee: for pasting one line? are you serious?
[06:09] <rymate1234> lol
[06:12] <SwedeMike> rymate1234: so the way it usually works is that dnsmasq listens to port 53 on 127.0.0.1, /etc/resolv.conf points "nameserver 127.0.0.1", so the system uses dnsmasq to resolve Internet addresses. Now it seems dnsmasq either isn't getting your questions, or it's unable to properly communicate onto the internet.
[06:13] <SwedeMike> next thing I would do would be to tcpdump/wireshark lo and the Internet facing network interface.
[06:14] <SwedeMike> to see what's going on there, but that involves knowing a bit more about packet dumps
[06:14] <rymate1234> wait wat
[06:15] <rymate1234> dig +short A ubuntu.com @127.0.1.1
[06:15] <rymate1234> 91.189.94.156
[06:15] <rymate1234> that works o.o
[06:15] <SwedeMike> but google.com doesn't ?
[06:15] <rymate1234> google.com works too
[06:16] <rymate1234> when I use 127.0.1.1
[06:16] <SwedeMike> but not 127.0.0.1 ?
[06:16] <rymate1234> Nope
[06:16] <SwedeMike> oh, now I see, 127.0.1.1 is what you have in the pastebin, I missed that.
[06:16] <rymate1234> so wat do
[06:16] <rymate1234> where is the dnsmasq conf
[06:17] <rymate1234> so I can change it to the right IP address
[06:18] <SwedeMike> mine says "/usr/sbin/dnsmasq --no-resolv --keep-in-foreground --no-hosts --bind-interfaces --pid-file=/var/run/sendsigs.omit.d/network-manager.dnsmasq.pid --listen-address=127.0.0.1 --conf-file=/var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf --cache-size=0 --proxy-dnssec" so I guess it's all in the command line, so look in the init script that starts dnsmasq
[06:19] <rymate1234> where would that be lol
[06:20]  * rymate1234 uses google-fu
[06:24] <SwedeMike> in :/etc/network/if-up.d/000resolvconf it seems to run something called "/sbin/resolvconf -a "${IFACE}.${ADDRFAM}", you can check if it's the same on your system.
[06:26] <rymate1234> nope :(
[06:28] <rymate1234> would reinstalling dnsmasq do anything?
[06:28] <SwedeMike> rymate1234: can't see how it would make things worse anyway
[06:29] <rymate1234> lol
[06:31] <rymate1234> hmm
[06:31] <rymate1234> lemme try reboot
[06:31] <rymate1234> brb
[06:35] <rymate1234> hey
[06:35] <rymate1234> not entirely sure whether I fixed the problem
[06:35] <rymate1234> I have dns
[07:07] <rymate1234> ^_^
[07:08] <anant> I compiled unity from src by following instructions at http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/. On starting it though (unity --replace &), it crashed.
[07:08] <anant> I'm running Q Beta 2
[07:23] <anant> This is the stack trace http://paste.ubuntu.com/1251142/
[07:34] <rymate1234> I get this error when trying to launch FTL I get this error when trying to launch FTL
[07:34] <rymate1234> meh
[07:34] <rymate1234> I get this error when trying to launch FTL http://pastebin.com/mpt3ptaH
[07:34] <rymate1234> wat do
[07:53] <Notimik> anyone here having problems with selecting kubuntu at login (lightdm) ?
[08:21] <rymate1234> hey
[08:21] <rymate1234> :<
[08:22] <gnomefreak> hi
[08:22] <rymate1234> I have issues with graphics
[08:23] <bazhang> on MINT?
[08:23] <rymate1234> specifically with FTL on ubuntu 12.10
[08:23] <rymate1234> libGL error: failed to load driver: r600
[08:23] <rymate1234> :(
[08:24] <gnomefreak> nvidia?
[08:25] <rymate1234> nah
[08:25] <bazhang> r600 is the card?
[08:25] <rymate1234> ati
[08:25] <rymate1234> bazhang, afaik its the driver
[08:25] <bazhang> thats a pretty old card then
[08:25] <gnomefreak> my ati works fine here
[08:25] <rymate1234> lemme get the error
[08:25] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/W0UYv2TH
[08:25] <bazhang> does ati even provide support for that card any longer?
[08:26] <rymate1234> well
[08:26] <bazhang> this is using radeon or fglrx
[08:26] <rymate1234> I have a mobility radeon 4250
[08:26] <rymate1234> with radeon driver
[08:27] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/hjDjg2m9 - not entirely sure how helpful that is, but there's my glxinfo
[08:27] <gnomefreak> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)  <<<saying that the drivers are too old or just not supported(for lack of a better word)
[08:27] <bazhang> a fresh install of 12.10, you tried to convert MINT to 12.10
[08:28] <bazhang> +or
[08:28] <rymate1234> well
[08:28] <rymate1234> I converted Mint to 12.04
[08:28] <rymate1234> then upgraded 12.04 to 12.10
[08:28] <bazhang> thats likely the problem
[08:29] <bazhang> got a separate home partition?
[08:29] <rymate1234> yes lol
[08:29] <bazhang> don't bother with 'converting'
[08:29] <gnomefreak> why not just install 12.04/12.19 instead of converting mint to 12.04
[08:29] <rymate1234> laziness
[08:30] <bazhang> and a broken system
[08:30] <gnomefreak> 12.10 even
[08:30]  * gnomefreak does things the easy way
[08:30] <bazhang> that system will never be reliable
[08:30] <rymate1234> yay :<
[08:30] <bazhang>  a fresh install is very fast
[08:31] <bazhang> I plan to do that, and I have not used MINT since 1.0
[08:31]  * rymate1234 doesn't want to reinstall :(
[08:31] <bazhang> then plan on instability and lots of troubleshooting/fixing
[08:32] <rymate1234> meh
[08:32] <bazhang> have fun
[08:32] <rymate1234> I'd rather reinstall tbh
[08:32] <bazhang> the only way to be sure
[08:33] <ASA> hi@all
[08:33] <gnomefreak> damn bot
[08:33] <gnomefreak> hi
[08:34] <rymate1234> right
[08:34] <rymate1234> got a USB stick
[08:34] <notimik> anyone runnung the kubuntu flavour of 12.10 here?
[08:34] <notimik> running
[08:35] <gnomefreak> notimik: its better to just ask your question
[08:35] <notimik> mkay, cant select plsama workplace from lightdm
[08:35] <notimik> plasma
[08:35] <rymate1234> guys
[08:35] <rymate1234> when 12.10 is fully released
[08:35] <rymate1234> will I need to reinstall?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> no
[08:35] <bazhang> no
[08:35] <notimik> can select std ubuntu and xubuntu without problem
[08:35] <bazhang> !final | rymate1234
[08:36] <rymate1234> kthx
[08:36] <gnomefreak> that is kiund of long
[08:36] <gnomefreak> kind
[08:42] <rymate1234> right
[08:42] <rymate1234> I got the iso
[08:42] <rymate1234> why is the startup disk creator not recognising it :(
[08:45] <rymate1234> and why is the iso only 270mb
[08:46] <rymate1234> XD
[08:46] <bazhang> it's not
[08:47] <rymate1234> ik
[08:47] <rymate1234> the download must've derped
[09:00] <rymate1234> hey
[09:00] <rymate1234> small question
[09:00] <rymate1234> once I got ubuntu on my memory stick
[09:01] <rymate1234> can I still use the memory stick for mormal files?
[09:02] <bazhang> the installer usb stick?
[09:03] <rymate1234> ye
[09:04] <bazhang> if you partition it beforehand and choose that section of it to use for the installer, I suppose so, otherwise no
[09:04] <rymate1234> ok
[09:04] <rymate1234> brb installing ubuntu
[09:04] <bazhang> what size usb stick
[09:05] <rymate1234> 2GB
[09:05]  * rymate1234 goes
[09:08] <rymate1234> didn't work :9
[09:08] <rymate1234> :(
[09:10] <bazhang> what did you do exactly
[09:10] <bazhang> saying 'didn't work' is too vague
[09:11] <rymate1234> used the startup disk creator
[09:12] <rymate1234> tried to boot to usb
[09:12] <rymate1234> computer dropped my into standard grub
[09:12] <bazhang> well, no surprise
[09:12] <bazhang> 'burning' iso to usb stick takes more than 2 minutes
[09:13] <rymate1234> lol
[09:13] <bazhang> and it sometimes needs more than a single try
[09:13] <bazhang> there are other apps to do that as well, such as unetbootin
[09:30] <rymate1234> hey
[09:30] <rymate1234> On the live usb :o
[09:31] <rymate1234> holy crap
[09:31] <rymate1234> this is nippy for a live usb]
[09:32] <rymate1234> I wish to do something else installer
[09:58] <rymate1234> hey all
[09:58] <rymate1234> well
[09:59] <rymate1234> I'm kinda pissed now
[09:59] <rymate1234> brand new installation of ubuntu
[09:59] <rymate1234> I STILL HAVE THIS ERROR http://pastebin.com/Mj024EVm
[09:59] <rymate1234> ;<
[09:59] <rymate1234> :<
[10:24] <bazhang> !schedule
[10:25] <rymate1234> I think I found a small bug in lightdm
[10:25] <diverdude> aah oct 18th
[10:25] <diverdude> will QQ ship with php 5.4?
[10:25] <rymate1234> I cannot select gnome shell at login
[10:27] <rymate1234> Ok
[10:28] <yofel_> diverdude: yes
[10:29] <diverdude> yofel: thx
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14] <penguin42> hey
[13:43] <sebas_> howto disable Amazon search results??
[13:44] <bazhang> !adlens | sebas_
[13:44] <sebas_> bazhang: thanx!!!
[15:37] <CaptainKnots> In the 12.10 installer, if I want to install beside windows, it doesn't give me the option to automatically setup lvm and encryption. Is there any way I can change that?
[15:37] <CaptainKnots> Or do I have to set it up manually?
[15:38] <CaptainKnots> It seems the only option right in front of me to do it automagically is if I tell the installer to replace windows, which doesn't make sense because I'm installing to a different physical drive
[15:38] <bazhang> CaptainKnots, the alternate installer has that if I recall correctly
[15:38] <CaptainKnots> bazhang: I thought they ditched the alternate installer for 12.10
[15:38] <penguin42> bazhang: I think 12.10 gained encryption as part of the main installer didn't it?
[15:38] <CaptainKnots> yeah it did
[15:39] <bazhang> penguin42, is that right? my apologies then
[15:39] <bazhang> going to get it shortly
[15:39] <CaptainKnots> the thing is, as soon as I tell it not to replace windows, it greys out the checkboxes for encryption and lvm
[15:39] <CaptainKnots> I guess I shall do it all manually
[15:39] <CaptainKnots> *le sigh*
[16:29] <anant> I compiled unity from src by following instructions at http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/. On starting it though (unity --replace &), it crashed. This is the stack trace http://paste.ubuntu.com/1251142/
[16:29] <anant> I'm running Q Beta 2
[17:00] <ovrflw0x> where can i get WUBI.exe for "ubuntu+1"?
[17:03] <popey> ovrflw0x, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/wubi/current/ ?
[17:04] <popey> oh, no binary
[17:04] <ovrflw0x> ?
[17:11] <ovrflw0x> yo pop the popey and say poppy where's the wubi?
[17:11] <popey> wat?
[17:12] <ovrflw0x> where's wubi for 12.10?
[17:12] <popey> i dont know, i can't find it
[17:12] <ovrflw0x> i've heard they decided to boot wubi. so no mo wubi?
[17:14] <popey> i don't know
[17:14] <ovrflw0x> man you don't know a lot pop the popity pop pop poppy
[17:17] <ovrflw0x> l8r
[17:28] <bjsnider> i just can't wait until he comes back
[17:36] <BluesKaj> I'll bet
[17:36] <rymate1234> well
[17:37] <rymate1234> 12.10 seems stable so far
[18:09] <WarOfTheNerd> Wubi sucks
[18:09] <WarOfTheNerd> it should be LTS-only IMHO
[18:10] <rymate1234> It shouldn't exist full stop
[18:11] <rymate1234> I find wubi to me slower than a proper installation
[18:11] <rymate1234> and it isn't that hard to dual boot
[18:25] <StFS> Hi. Does anybody know how I can install the Helvetica font in ubuntu 12.10?
[18:25] <bjsnider> StFS, i believe there's a package called msttcorefonts
[18:26] <StFS> well.. no, it's now called ttf-mscore-installer or something... but aside from that, Helvetica is not in that one anymore
[18:26] <bjsnider> oh well
[18:26] <bjsnider> end of the world
[18:26] <StFS> :-)
[18:27] <StFS> well, I'm trying to compile a PDF from latex and a bunch of pictures in it depend on Helvetica :-/ so I kinda need it
[18:30] <trism> StFS: texlive-fonts-recommended maybe?
[18:30] <StFS> trism: nope... already installed that and helvetica is not part of it
[18:56] <Milos_SD> Hello... what happend to "Show Desktop icon" in Unity launcher?
[18:58] <penguin42> StFS: My guess is there is a 'helvetica equivalent' that just needs an alias
[19:21] <Maulwurf> hello everyone. I had (still have) massive problems with unity 3d and a multi monitor setup (nvidia drivers) with 12.04 and still haven't gotten it to run correctly as xinerama seems to have a problem with unity 3d. Does anyone know if you can have a mulit monitor unity 3d working with nvidia drivers in 12.10?
[19:23] <actionParsnip> Not used multimonitor myself, i've one screen for 4 systems.
[19:25] <Maulwurf> me too - since yesterday. And i just can't get it to work right in 12.04
[19:25] <Maulwurf> it does sort of, but then unity just goes in 2d mode. i have a geforce gtx 560 btw built in
[19:26] <Maulwurf> windows handles everything correctly (as usually) - but with windows 8 adound the corner and I now want to switch to ubuntu completey :D
[19:27] <actionParsnip> Maulwurf: do you have the 304 nvidia driver?
[19:28] <actionParsnip> what windows does is of near zero  value, its a completely different OS with completely different support
[19:30] <actionParsnip> Maulwurf: there is a PPA for the driver: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:32] <TJ-> Maulwurf: With 12.04 and 12.10, no problems with multi-monitors using nvidia and twinview, or nouvaeu
[19:32] <bjsnider> x-updates doesn't have the latest quantal driver
[19:32] <bjsnider> and i would know since i'm the one who puts them in there
[19:33] <actionParsnip> yeah its only up to precise. my bad
[19:39] <popey> Maulwurf, i have multi-monitor nvidia setup here
[19:42] <actionParsnip> bjsnider: any chance of putting the nvidia driver in for Quantal too :)
[19:43] <bjsnider> the reason they aren't is that the driver is usually uploaded to +1 without hesitation
[19:43] <bjsnider> and therefore doesn't need to be in a ppa
[19:44] <popey> there is a newer one in the x swat ppa
[19:44] <bjsnider> it is in xorg-edgers
[19:45] <bjsnider> but i wouldn't recommend using xorg-edgers unless you're testing
[19:45] <popey> well indeed
[19:46] <popey> 304.51 has issues too
[19:46] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1058394
[19:50] <actionParsnip> helps for newer chips surely. 295 was out a good while ago now. Wouldn't the newer driver work better on later hardware
[19:51] <Maulwurf> wow thanks
[19:51] <Maulwurf> I just looked here again and you helped me so much
[19:51] <bjrohan> I could use some help with my desktop upgrade to Beta 2. My login screen works great, Once I log in I get a myriad error messages, I get a blank desktop (with wallpaper, no icons), no launcher, and nothing happens when I press Alt F1, Alt F2, or right mouse click.
[19:53] <bjrohan> When I click to report an error message, Chrome comes up (installed in 12.04) with the page, to report error, I can also browse to websites.
[19:53] <bjrohan> Maulwurf Have you paid anyone on here for help?
[19:55] <Maulwurf> seems like I won't get my monitor setup working in 12.10 either....
[19:55] <Maulwurf> at least - if I want 3d to work
[19:55] <bjrohan> I hear you
[19:55] <Milos_SD> what happend to "Blur windows plugin" in compiz?
[19:55] <bjrohan> at least in Beta
[19:55] <Milos_SD> I can't see it in ccsm in ubuntu 12.10, and I have everything installed
[19:56] <Maulwurf> @bjrohan - I'm also astonished. In #ubuntu and #ubuntu-de I waited for ages and nobody could help me
[19:56] <bjrohan> If I go to #ubuntu, I get referred to here. This room requires more patience
[19:57] <popey> #ubutnu is for 12.04 and below, this channel is for 12.10
[19:57] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: if you are using Quantal then you are supported here til release day
[19:57] <popey> -typo
[19:57] <bjrohan> Thanks actionParsnip
[19:57] <rymate1234> Hey
[19:57] <rymate1234> I have a problem http://pastebin.com/vBzXkBG5
[19:58] <rymate1234> Running a new installation of 12.10
[19:58] <bjrohan> Any suggestions on my issue with my video actionParsnip? somewhere to start? This is on a non-issue machine for me to learn on :-)
[19:59] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: does it affect all DEs?
[20:00] <bjrohan> I only have the stock Ubuntu on this machine
[20:01] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: install xfce4 and try the XFCE session
[20:01] <bjrohan> Kept it stock for ease of troubleshooting. What other one should I try to install AND, how do I get to a command line to install?
[20:01] <bjrohan> Any quick command line to install that one?
[20:02] <rymate1234> t
[20:02] <BluesKaj> popey, your post about the 3.04.51 nvidia driver was proven this morning with an issue a user had that stumped me , then i realized it was reported already , but the user left
[20:02] <rymate1234> ummm
[20:02] <rymate1234> afaik sudo apt-get install xfce4
[20:03] <rymate1234> bjrohan, and to get to a command line press ctrl+alt+f1
[20:03] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: I'd see if it affects all desktops, xfce doesn't need 3D effects either
[20:06] <bjrohan> well, the ctrl alt f1 worked
[20:06] <bjrohan> first shortcut to work for me
[20:07] <bjrohan> xfce4 works in 12.10?
[20:07] <bjrohan> or with rather
[20:07] <rymate1234> sure
[20:07] <rymate1234> should do
[20:07] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: it doesn't use compiz etc, runs using fewer resources
[20:08] <bjrohan> Thank you all for your support and help. I am new and looking to really learn a LOT more about Linux and Ubuntu
[20:08] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: every day is a school day
[20:09] <bjrohan> Nice
[20:11] <bjrohan> If I may press my luck. I am having issues with GIMP on my regular machine and the fonts. It was suggested this issue is resolved in 12.10 because it comes with the latest GIMP in the standard REPO.
[20:11] <bjrohan> I would like to upgrade my production machine for this reason, however when I do it says I have broken packages
[20:13] <bjrohan> From what I gather they are not broken, just non-standard ubuntu packages installed. How do I tell which these are and remove them?
[20:13] <bjrohan> Or should I really just wait till full version is out?
[20:14] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: are there bugs reported?
[20:14] <bjrohan> OK I logged into xfce4, I used the dafault panel vs empty one, and a system problem popped up
[20:15] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: ok now you can get full updates, may help
[20:15] <bjrohan> I can see icons etc. Thanks! When I look at the problem details it shows Compiz
[20:16] <bjrohan> What do you recommend I do in xfce to remedy standard desktop issue
[20:16] <bjrohan> if anything
[20:44] <bjrohan> How do I remove all non-standard packages from my system?
[20:47] <actionParsnip> bjrohan: you'll need to look on packages.ubuntu.com to see what the ubuntu-desktop package installs, then remove the rest
[20:48] <bjrohan> Gotcha. If I wait until the official release of 12.10, it should upgrade, even with non-standard packages installed?
[20:49] <IdleOne> bjrohan: what do you mean by non-standard?
[20:49] <bjrohan> When I try to upgrade now, from what I can tell it won't because it has "broken packages" in further reading it is because I have non-standard packages installed
[20:49] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get -f install
[20:50] <bjrohan> when the official release comes out, I should be able to upgrade my production machine to 12.10 without this error?
[20:50] <IdleOne> that will try to fix the broken packages
[20:50] <bjrohan> I tried, it does no good
[20:50] <IdleOne> pastebin the exact errors you are getting
[20:51] <bjrohan> When I just did the apt-get -f install, it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded
[20:51] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:52] <popey> bjrohan, also, you may be missing something... if it's ubuntu desktop then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" to make sure you have the desktop task
[20:52] <bjrohan> WHen I run this, what do I paste?
[20:52] <popey> the whole output
[20:52] <popey> to paste.ubuntu.com
[20:53] <bjrohan> when I run dist-upgrade the whole text to pastebin
[20:53] <bjrohan> :-)
[20:53] <bjrohan> will do
[20:53] <bjrohan> ahh, with the dist-upgrade it upgraded ubuntu-tweak
[20:54] <IdleOne> if there are no errors, you should be good now.
[20:54] <popey> just be careful during development sometimes when you dist-upgrade, its possible for stuff to get removed
[20:54] <popey> critical stuff like unity :S
[20:55] <IdleOne> unity is hardly critical :P
[20:55] <popey> funny man
[20:55] <rymate1234> ummm
[20:55] <popey> sadly it's critical if you're on 12.10 with the default setup - no unity 2d
[20:55] <rymate1234> not really
[20:55] <rymate1234> you can just get to a tty
[20:56] <rymate1234> and run "sudo apt-get install xfce4"
[20:56] <rymate1234> ;)
[20:56] <popey> trololololol
[20:59] <JHOSMAN> Hello for all
[20:59] <JHOSMAN> I have Ubuntu Quantal problem but still do not know if you report it as bug.
[21:00] <bjrohan> I am going to do a backup first. Seems prudent :-)
[21:00] <jtaylor> JHOSMAN: its generally better to just state your problem
[21:00] <jtaylor> if someone knows an answer you'll get it
[21:01] <JHOSMAN> jtaylor I know, I'm tester for many versions, but since one day they released an update on      Windows Title       Application Menu   disappeared
[21:01] <JHOSMAN> http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements/62842#62842
[21:03] <bjrohan> How would one go about backing up thier Ubuntu partition in order to do a clean install? Just backup your home directory?
[21:06] <bjsnider> do something like a cp -a /home
[21:07] <bjsnider> make sure you're also including hidden files
[21:07] <bjrohan> gotcha
[21:07] <JHOSMAN> any idea to my problem?
[21:11] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: if you make a new ubuntu user, is it the same
[21:12] <JHOSMAN> actionParsnip I already did before, so I'm here, I have updated to today Quantal and no solution, ubuntu-desktop installed and unity
[21:14] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: if you run ccsm, is the window decorator box ticked?
[21:15] <JHOSMAN> actionParsnip Yes! are check!
[21:15] <JHOSMAN> i go to upload a ScreenShot! =)
[21:15] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: no need
[21:15] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: do you use proprietary video drivers?
[21:17] <JHOSMAN> No, default Drivers of Ubuntu
[21:17] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: what video chip do you use?
[21:17] <JHOSMAN> As I indicated, everything worked fine one day and disappeared upgraded menu items, if such change to LXDE menus appear if all applications
[21:17] <bjsnider> if it were me, i'd be a jerk and tell him it's a new feature of unity
[21:17] <JHOSMAN> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18)
[21:18] <JHOSMAN> In Unity the menu of all applications disapear!
[21:18] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: could try:  unity --reset
[21:20] <JHOSMAN> actionParsnip ERROR: the reset option is now deprecated
[21:20] <actionParsnip> oh man
[21:20] <actionParsnip> it's in the man page....
[21:21] <JHOSMAN>        --reset               This option allows the user to reset profile parameters in compiz and restart the Unity shell with default settings.
[21:21] <actionParsnip> exactly
[21:21] <popey> I'll get that fixed
[21:21] <actionParsnip> popey: thanks, was just about to report a bug etc
[21:21] <popey> don't worry
[21:22] <popey> we're doing a unity release this week, I'll get it in that
[21:22] <JHOSMAN> =( --reset not run!
[21:24] <bjrohan> When looking to try the new Beta 2 on a machine running 12.04, do you recommend just downloading the Desktop CD to a thumb drive and trying it that way, ,if all goes well then install from that thumb drive?
[21:25] <popey> be nice to test the upgrade and make sure that works :)
[21:26] <popey> people keep telling people upgrades are broken, so people don't test them, so we don't know how they're broken, so they stay broken
[21:26] <popey> constant downward spiral of fail
[21:26] <popey> file bugs if the upgrade breaks :D
[21:28] <JHOSMAN> popey What is the primary server for updates, USA?
[21:28] <actionParsnip> oh I always do, even for small fr
[21:28] <popey> JHOSMAN, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors tells you which mirrors are up to date
[21:29] <popey> archive.ubuntu.com should always be
[21:33] <JHOSMAN> popey Thanks!
[21:35] <JHOSMAN> actionPasnip The menus that I need, not an application? in repositories that menu referred to, that I could not restart the Unity
[21:36] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: so is it the bar in the top panel that shows the app menus which is missing, or is it the top bar on each app window which you are missing?
[21:38] <JHOSMAN> actionParsnip see http://i.imgur.com/MOeIJ.png
[21:39] <popey> ccsm doesnt have a menu
[21:39] <popey> can you try again with something like gedit, which does?
[21:41] <JHOSMAN> All aplications affected!
[21:41] <JHOSMAN> http://i.imgur.com/i2dT7.png
[21:41] <popey> ooh! whats that console chat app you have open? :)
[21:42] <JHOSMAN> popey https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/finch/
[21:43] <popey> thats awesome, thanks JHOSMAN
[21:43] <popey> sorry, i dont know where your menus went
[21:43] <actionParsnip> JHOSMAN: sudo apt-get --reinstall install appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt indicator-appmenu
[21:44] <JHOSMAN> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias        Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho El paquete indicado a continuación se instaló de forma automática y ya no es necesarios.   python-support Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it. 0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 4 reinstalados, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. Se necesita descargar 29,7 kB/121 kB de archivos. Se utilizarán 0 B de espacio de d
[21:44] <JHOSMAN> Se necesita descargar 29,7 kB/121 kB de archivos. Se utilizarán 0 B de espacio de disco adicional después de esta operación. Des:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main appmenu-qt amd64 0.2.6-1ubuntu1 [29,7 kB]
[21:44] <actionParsnip> popey: i guess you use terminal a tonne
[21:44] <JHOSMAN> Amm
[21:44] <JHOSMAN> i go to restart sesion!
[21:45] <popey> actionParsnip, not as much as you'd think
[21:45] <popey> i mostly use a pretty stock ubuntu install, have to really to test stuff
[21:45] <actionParsnip> popey: there is twidge as a twitter client (if you use twitter) :)
[21:46] <popey> i do!
[21:46] <JHOSMAN> =)
[21:46] <JHOSMAN> go back
[21:46] <JHOSMAN> please wait!
[21:46] <popey> I have a VT105 I bought on ebay, I want to put it on my desk
[21:46] <popey> and have all console life on it ;)
[21:47] <actionParsnip> twidge is pretty sweet, I get it from the debian repos then remove them
[21:47] <popey> also, how awesome is it that JHOSMAN just gave me a link to apps.ubuntu.com and now it's installing in software center
[21:48] <popey> love that
[21:49] <JHOSMAN_> The problem persists, the menu did not return.
[21:50] <actionParsnip> popey: very cool
[21:52] <JHOSMAN_> :'(
[22:02] <JHOSMAN_> I can do?
[22:10] <JHOSMAN_> report in Launchpad?
[22:32] <jose_CO> como podre correr ubuntu 12.10 si no tengo aceleracion grafica