[05:45] * Kilos waves [07:47] morning all what does this mean?? [07:48] (gedit:8069): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Missing callback called fullpath = /root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel [07:55] thats why my sound doesnt work on xchat on 12.04 with mate im sure [07:56] i ran sudo gedit /home/miles/.xchat2/sounds [07:56] to get that warning [08:02] that sound file is empty on other pc as well where xchat sound works [08:43] yo Ludo === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [10:44] good morning [10:45] Maaz: coffee on [10:45] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [10:49] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [10:59] Maaz: thanks [10:59] charlvn: Okay :-) [11:00] http://youtu.be/eJaaMzTjFC8 <- ha ha ha! [12:31] greetings everyone === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [13:00] Sup [13:02] hi Vince-0 === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za === Cantide is now known as CanShower === CanShower is now known as Cantide [17:00] Johannesburg – Meer as 200 motoriste is die afgelope naweek in Gauteng in hegtenis geneem vir dronkbestuur, het die provinsiale verkeerspolisie Sondag gesê. :o [17:00] That's a lot :p [17:05] damn! [17:06] ;) [17:08] * inetpro 's ubuntu-za membership has expired [17:08] :o [17:08] * smile kicks inetpro out [17:08] eish! [17:08] I won't do that. :) You are too friendly :p [17:08] you should get e-mail a week before it expires [17:09] tumbleweed: I think I got exactly one email, which was yesterday [17:09] but let me check [17:09] I could have missed it [17:09] hmm... [17:09] is that the ubuntu-za loco? [17:10] or mailing list [17:10] actually I got a message a day since Sunday [17:11] anyway, I'm not an admin, so can't help :) [17:11] but I missed them all due to a rule which moves launchpad mails to another folder [17:11] tumbleweed: yes the loco membership on launchpad [17:11] ahh ok [17:11] so tumbleweed, who do I talk to? [17:11] oh, it's an open team, you can just re-join :) [17:11] i never got mail like that [17:11] ah [17:12] I'm not sure whether it's even necessary to be a member these days [17:13] it doesn't do anything except add a flag to your page, no [17:14] * inetpro successfully re-joined South African Ubuntu team at a click of a button [17:15] do you feel patriotic? :) [17:15] feels like rebooting a server with a long uptime [17:15] aww [17:15] define long [17:17] Kerbero: hmm... like 1149 days? [17:18] o wow [17:18] ok [17:19] actually my memberships went much further than that [17:19] membership [17:19] anyway /me wbb [17:19] dinner time [17:42] guten abend [17:44] Schönen guten Abend, Kilos [17:44] :) [17:44] hi Kilos [17:44] hehe you sleep inna wool [17:44] schlafen sie wol [17:44] something like that [17:44] lol. :P [17:45] your german is at the same level as mine is ;) [17:45] long time no see charlvn [17:45] :P [17:45] hey smile [17:45] hehe [17:45] big hug for Uncle Kilos :) [17:45] aw ty smile [17:45] yw :) [17:46] had a bad head day so slept most of it away [17:46] the day not the head [17:46] hehe [17:47] funny i was just watching a video about how germany is taking over the economy [17:47] :) [17:47] lol [17:47] yes long time no speak to, how's it going Kilos ? [17:47] ok ty charlvn why you been so scsrce?? [17:48] hope you well [17:48] evening superfly [17:48] just been busy [17:48] hi Kilos [17:48] i have been moving into a new apartment in the middle of the city [17:48] hows things there SubOracle ? [17:48] so i have been painting, drilling holes, hanging up curtains [17:49] family and your health wise [17:49] i also still have a piece of floor to do, i need to put a mat right at the entrance [17:49] ah thats nice c har, closer to work? [17:49] whew ChanServ [17:49] eish [17:49] charlvn, [17:50] charlvn: when your apartment is done, you will organise a party? :D [17:50] smile: i actually want to invite a few people over and eat some cake but i'm not a person for real parties [17:50] me neither :) [17:50] smile: particularly for the people who helped me moving stuff around and who gave me some furniture [17:51] Kilos: not really much closer to work, about the same distance [17:51] better place?? [17:51] charlvn: that's very kind :) [17:51] Kilos: where i used to live was a really old building and i shared an apartment with a few other people [17:52] ah i see [17:52] Kilos: this is a more modern facility and i can live here on my own :) [17:52] well hope you happier now [17:52] :DD [17:52] maybe you wont be so scarce then [17:53] Kilos: no i will be on more from now on, the summer is over now and it's already getting colder so i will be spending a lot more time online [17:53] lol [17:53] Kilos: you always see that in the european hacker scene, when it's summer there is relatively little going on, but in the winter there is a lot of activity [17:53] Kilos: mainly because everyone is indoors and doing interesting stuff with computers etc instead of doing stuff outside like in the summer [17:53] our summer just starting. hadda coupla days of 30°c then cold again [17:54] yeah here we also still get some mixed weather although it seems like the heat is about gone now [17:54] we had a terribly hot summer [17:57] smile: by the way, i discovered an interesting thing today, bier central also had la trappe which is actually a dutch beer [17:58] smile: NL is not exactly known for producing good beer so for some reason i always assumed it was a belgian beer [17:58] smile: only discovered it's a dutch beer today :) [17:58] La trappe is the only trappist [17:58] in NL [17:59] all other trappists are made in Belgium :) [18:04] yeah i'm sure [18:04] like i said, NL is not exactly known for producing good beer ;) [18:04] Yeah.. ;) [18:04] They stole our code o.O [18:05] * smile steels it back [18:06] there is another exception though: http://www.hertogjan.nl/ [18:06] it's expensive but very good [18:06] :) [18:06] I have heard about it, but never tasted it :p [18:07] the other beer i like to drink is duvel, you can buy it about everywhere in NL but it's a belgian beer [18:07] :D [18:07] there is also stella artois but i don't like it at all [18:07] the other beers i like to drink are german beers but they are sometimes a bit hard to buy in NL [18:08] fortunately i live close to the german border so i just go and buy them in germany :) [18:08] lol :) [18:08] do you live in drenthe? [18:08] like erdinger, krombacher, bitburger, etc [18:08] noe [18:08] *nope [18:09] in which province do you live, charlvn ? :) [18:09] i especially like weissbrau or hefeweissen [18:09] smile: overijssel [18:09] oke :D [18:09] Just under Drenthe [18:09] :p [18:09] yup [18:10] My guess wasn't that bad :p [18:10] nope pretty good actually :) [18:11] :) [18:11] I was in Drenthe a few weeks ago [18:12] i have actually never been to drenthe, i don't normally go to the north of the country [18:12] i get to holland every so frequently though [18:12] i have family who live there [18:13] :D [18:14] I would like to visit all places in Europe [18:14] :) [18:14] i don't even try :P [18:14] But I'll have a http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handelsreizigersprobleem .. ;) [18:15] but i really do want to make it to some hacker camp or something this year [18:15] ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem ) [18:15] last year i just got too busy / lazy [18:15] lol [18:15] good luck :DD [18:15] haha [18:15] are you planning on attending anything? [18:16] Not yet :) vague plans to meet someone in October [18:16] ok [18:16] (while studying, of course xD ) [18:16] if you hear of something interesting lemme know [18:16] Of course I will :) [18:16] i thought of maybe even doing chaos communication congress this year [18:16] although last year there wasn't too much interesting [18:16] it's in berlin i think though so i will need to book accommodation early [18:17] howdy all [18:17] because it's in a holiday season time of year too [18:17] o :( [18:17] hi magespawn [18:17] brb [18:25] "...and back to Hamburg in 2012" [18:25] ie, not berlin this year [18:25] is that a good thing? [18:26] closer to charlvn [18:26] i see, wish some of them were closer to me to [18:27] good night, everyone :) [18:27] totsiens [18:27] we have a few of that sort of thing in south africa [18:27] later smile [18:27] pycon in a few days [18:28] see ya, Kerbero and magespawn :) [18:28] bye, charlvn [18:33] back [18:34] Kerbero: ah that is very good news [18:35] too bad i did not know about it last year [18:35] otherwise i would've gone [18:35] ok maybe i should really make an effort then this year [18:35] i would like to see the programme up front though [18:36] because last year's talks i thought was quite disappointing [18:36] they had some interesting stuff about tor though [18:41] now pycon would be something to go to [18:43] i also like python but not enough to attend a whole conference just about it :) [18:43] only two days [18:43] http://za.pycon.org/ [18:43] i see praekelt is also a sponsor [18:44] a good set of sponsors [18:44] you get free stuff at cons [18:45] lol is that your only reason for going? :) [18:45] this does look interesting though: http://za.pycon.org/speaker/29/detail.html [18:45] no good place to learn things [18:45] i tend to get a feeling that most conferences are too far behind the cutting edge [18:46] i went to oscon in 2010 and wasn't too impressed [18:46] i picked up a few interesting things [18:46] but most of it was pretty old stuff [18:46] too much too quickly too [18:48] besides this is cape town, would be good to visit [18:50] it's a nice chance to meet people [18:50] and cape town is always a nice place to visit for a few days [18:51] have friends there i have not seen for years and new ones i have not met face to face yet. [18:52] what are you still waiting for :) [18:58] need time and money [18:58] there was a discussion aboit moving there a one stage [19:02] good night [19:02] besides for now my place is here [19:02] * inetpro falling asleep [19:02] good night inetpro [19:06] night inetpro [19:09] i would really like to go one of those security type con, and the ones in the states always seem well organised [19:12] Def Con thats the one [19:12] bit sun baked today forgot hates and sunscreen [19:13] * magespawn looks like a well done lobster [19:18] there is also shmoocon, defcon, and a variety of others [19:18] hak5 often goes to some of them [19:18] blackhat i mean [19:18] in europe it's mainly ccc which is very good [19:19] but after a few years of some excellent research i feel last year was a let-down [19:19] the ccc has a lot of events though and they are typically worth attending [19:19] camps, conferences, etc [19:20] there is also the linuxbierwanderung [19:28] when rich will come to europe for a whole year of nothing but cons [19:39] later all [19:39] ciao [20:07] wow you guys been busy hey [20:08] superfly, is 12.04 kubuntu stable and does nm work properly? [20:08] hasn't ever given me problems [20:08] im thinkinf of getting it with night surfer data if i can stay awake [20:09] ya but you fix things easy man [20:09] does it work without fixes i mean [20:09] superfly, you just install and it works? [20:10] yup, that was my experience [20:10] and where do i find nm on it [20:10] good then ill give it a go methinks [20:10] it is in your tray area [20:10] ah good ty [20:10] inetpro, lewe jy nog [20:12] Maaz, google where to download kubuntu iso [20:12] Kilos: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download :: "Get Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu :: "Kubuntu 11.04 Released | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release :: "Kubuntu 10.04.4 LTS (Lucid Lynx)" http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/ :: "Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope)" http://old- [20:12] releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/9.04/ :: "Kubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat)" http://releases.ubuntu.com/… [20:13] Maaz, google where to download kubuntu 12.04 iso [20:13] Kilos: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download :: "Kubuntu 12.04 LTS | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release :: "Kubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (Precise Pangolin)" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/ :: "Kubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) Daily Build" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ :: [20:13] "kubuntu-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso (download torrent) - TPB" http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7218540/… [20:15] Kilos: do you want a live cd, or an alternate installer cd? [20:15] live cd i think [20:15] clean install but not deleting home [20:16] too many email addies and settings to sort from scratch again [20:16] Kilos: 32 or 64 bit? [20:16] 32 superfly [20:16] as long as i can find a terminal ill get by i think [20:17] ian cant get his nm going onna lappy with kde 12.04 [20:17] Kilos: it's easy to find the terminal :-) [20:17] so better i install so i know what he is looking at [20:17] Kilos: Kubuntu uses the KDE version of Network Manager [20:18] yes but is it just a little icon somewhere? [20:18] right click setup? [20:18] terminal on gnome is ctrl+alt+t [20:19] is kde different [20:20] Kilos: KDE is not Gnome, so KDE is different. [20:20] hehe so what keys please superfly [20:20] ill write it down [20:20] Kilos: what do you mean, what keys? you go to Konsole in your menu [20:21] oh is that like applications [20:21] shortcut keys to open a terminal [20:22] and can i have lotsa workspaces [20:22] Kilos: i can help you with your network again tomorrow [20:22] if you are going to reinstall, please do not use firestarter again [20:22] good ty Kerbero [20:22] i was a bit busy the past few days [20:22] ok i got arnos yesterday but didnt work either [20:23] Kilos: I think that's because you have too much other junk installed [20:23] gui programs to manage the firewall just doesn't work as well as doing it by hand [20:24] ah ok then Kerbero ty for offering. ill give you a shout once setup [20:24] ok [20:24] last setup crashed nm completely [20:24] on booting next morning nm was gone [20:24] hehe [20:24] Kerbero: I don't know if you've ever used Arno's but it's a service, and it really simplifies firewall management [20:24] ive told you guys. murphy lives here [20:25] it's nice and light, doesn't do more than what it needs to [20:25] superfly: no i havn't used arnos [20:25] but i did have a look at firestarter [20:25] and some other ones [20:25] superfly, why you asked all the info about 32 and 64 bit? [20:25] Kilos: was trying to find you a decent download link [20:26] oh ty [20:26] Kilos: but mirror.ac.za is hopelessly out of date at the moment [20:26] uh oh [20:26] shout at symmetria [20:26] Symmetria, ping [20:26] symm said last time to use ufs' mirror [20:27] better management there [20:27] lets see if I Can find a link [20:29] nope, modern releases of Kubuntu are only available on the international mirror: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso [20:30] ty superfly [20:30] can one wget it? [20:30] or better to go there [20:31] Kilos: you can wget that link I pasted [20:31] great ty superfly [20:32] superfly: arno's firewall script does the same thing that i do not like of the other tools too [20:32] locking down the machine [20:32] it is not a bad thing [20:32] but i don't like it if something do that without me specifically telling it to [20:32] Kerbero: you mean doing what a firewall is supposed to do? :-P [20:33] superfly: doing what a windows firewall does [20:33] if the port is not open on your computer, why firewall it? [20:33] especially if it is a home PC [20:33] *nod* [20:33] if it is a server on routable open internet fine [20:33] but home pc no [20:34] for me, the machine running the firewall is on a routable open internet connection - i have a web server on there [20:34] in kilos' case it is anyway only one rule he needs to do the masquerading [20:36] webserver yes, firewall and run ssh on not-port-22 [20:36] yar [20:36] o and then one also runs fail2ban [20:36] hehe [20:36] lol Kerbero work it all out lekker [20:36] Kerbero, ill run a clean system with no other things installed. hope you know kubuntu [20:37] superfly: i know you don't like webmin, but i find webmin's iptables interface is very nice [20:37] the clearest one i have seen [20:37] what we do on a vps on open internet is to start the webmin service only when we need it [20:37] Kilos: well, like Kerbero said, there's really only one rule you need to know [20:37] and of course it also runs on a non default port [20:38] Kilos: kubuntu doesn't matter [20:38] the terminal works the same everywhere [20:38] ah we use cli anyway hey [20:38] hehe [20:38] you type too fast for me [20:38] :) [20:39] IRC taught me how to type faster [20:39] i installed 12.04 5 times yesterday and last night to get nm to at least show mobile broadband [20:39] :( [20:40] you installed it with the 3g modem unplugged right? [20:40] yeah painful after a install not being able to update even [20:40] couldnt even install sakis3g because you gotta wget it [20:40] ever thought of getting a dedicated 3g router? [20:41] ^very good idea [20:41] price Tonberry ? [20:41] also then need another network cable [20:41] a thousand bucks? [20:42] yeah :( [20:42] thats a years data for me [20:42] yes i think you are better of doing it with your PC now [20:42] ya i think so [20:43] its a waste for 2 pcs with limited cap [20:46] superfly, sorry to bug what sight do you update upgrade from if our mirror is outa date [20:48] site [20:55] Kilos: I don't know, Kubuntu just picks up a decent mirror [20:55] lol [20:55] ok [20:58] wget rocking, hold thumbs for me [20:59] first iso download [20:59] 5 secs per meg [20:59] whew long way to go [20:59] not bad [21:00] im doing it from maverick [21:00] i still trust 10.10 [21:01] +1 [21:01] i still trust 8.10 [21:01] it was the best ubuntu ever :P [21:01] lol [21:01] the one with the bird on the background i think [21:01] i started on 8.10 [21:01] or the one after that [21:01] yeah me too [21:02] but it got better every release up till 11.04 [21:02] there was too much to do manually [21:02] nah [21:02] i think it got worse [21:02] even mxit in pidgin was a battle [21:03] only hardware support got a lot better [21:03] hehe [21:03] that is true [21:03] i remember [21:03] methinks maverick was my best system ive used here [21:03] new pidgin has everything already there [21:04] but ubuntu scrapped pidgin from its default install [21:04] just the plugins to install; [21:04] yeah when they went empathy they went backwards [21:04] pidgin rocks [21:04] indeed [21:05] i think thunderbird mail also isnt as nice as 10.10 evolution [21:06] * bakuman uses thunderbird [21:06] i've been using thunderbird for a very long time [21:06] as evolution broke when exchange upgraded to 2007 [21:06] evo can make its own backups [21:06] google keeps my backups [21:06] lol [21:07] i use online stuff as little as possible [21:07] i use it a lot [21:07] at a stage i was limited to 100m data a month [21:07] as everything is nicely synchronized accross all my devices [21:07]