[05:45]  * Kilos waves
[07:47] <Kilos> morning all what does this mean??
[07:48] <Kilos> (gedit:8069): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: Missing callback called fullpath = /root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel
[07:55] <Kilos> thats why my sound doesnt work on xchat on 12.04 with mate im sure
[07:56] <Kilos> i ran sudo gedit /home/miles/.xchat2/sounds
[07:56] <Kilos> to get that warning
[08:02] <Kilos> that sound file is empty on other pc as well where xchat sound works
[08:43] <Kilos> yo Ludo 
[10:44] <charlvn> good morning
[10:45] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[10:45]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[10:59] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[10:59] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[11:00] <charlvn> http://youtu.be/eJaaMzTjFC8 <- ha ha ha!
[12:31] <kodez> greetings everyone
[13:00] <Vince-0> Sup
[13:02] <charlvn> hi Vince-0 
[17:00] <smile>  Johannesburg – Meer as 200 motoriste is die afgelope naweek in Gauteng in hegtenis geneem vir dronkbestuur, het die provinsiale verkeerspolisie Sondag gesê.  :o
[17:00] <smile> That's a lot :p
[17:05] <inetpro> damn!
[17:06] <smile> ;)
[17:08]  * inetpro 's ubuntu-za membership has expired
[17:08] <smile> :o
[17:08]  * smile kicks inetpro out
[17:08] <inetpro> eish!
[17:08] <smile> I won't do that. :) You are too friendly :p
[17:08] <tumbleweed> you should get e-mail a week before it expires
[17:09] <inetpro> tumbleweed: I think I got exactly one email, which was yesterday
[17:09] <inetpro> but let me check
[17:09] <inetpro> I could have missed it
[17:09] <inetpro> hmm... 
[17:09] <Kerbero> is that the ubuntu-za loco?
[17:10] <Kerbero> or mailing list
[17:10] <inetpro> actually I got a message a day since Sunday
[17:11] <tumbleweed> anyway, I'm not an admin, so can't help :)
[17:11] <inetpro> but I missed them all due to a rule which moves launchpad mails to another folder
[17:11] <inetpro> tumbleweed: yes the loco membership on launchpad
[17:11] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[17:11] <inetpro> so tumbleweed, who do I talk to?
[17:11] <tumbleweed> oh, it's an open team, you can just re-join :)
[17:11] <Kerbero> i never got mail like that
[17:11] <inetpro> ah
[17:12] <inetpro> I'm not sure whether it's even necessary to be a member these days
[17:13] <tumbleweed> it doesn't do anything except add a flag to your page, no
[17:14]  * inetpro successfully re-joined South African Ubuntu team at a click of a button
[17:15] <tumbleweed> do you feel patriotic? :)
[17:15] <inetpro> feels like rebooting a server with a long uptime
[17:15] <Kerbero> aww
[17:15] <Kerbero> define long
[17:17] <inetpro> Kerbero: hmm... like 1149 days?
[17:18] <Kerbero> o wow
[17:18] <Kerbero> ok
[17:19] <inetpro> actually my memberships went much further than that
[17:19] <inetpro> membership
[17:19] <inetpro> anyway /me wbb
[17:19] <inetpro> dinner time
[17:42] <Kilos> guten abend
[17:44] <smile> Schönen guten Abend, Kilos 
[17:44] <smile> :)
[17:44] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe you sleep inna wool
[17:44] <Kilos> schlafen sie wol
[17:44] <Kilos> something like that
[17:44] <smile> lol. :P
[17:45] <smile> your german is at the same level as mine is ;)
[17:45] <Kilos> long time no see charlvn 
[17:45] <smile> :P
[17:45] <Kilos> hey smile 
[17:45] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <smile> big hug for Uncle Kilos :)
[17:45] <Kilos> aw ty smile 
[17:45] <smile> yw :)
[17:46] <Kilos> had a bad head day so slept most of it away
[17:46] <Kilos> the day not the head
[17:46] <Kilos> hehe
[17:47] <charlvn> funny i was just watching a video about how germany is taking over the economy
[17:47] <charlvn> :)
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <charlvn> yes long time no speak to, how's it going Kilos ?
[17:47] <Kilos> ok ty charlvn why you been so scsrce??
[17:48] <Kilos> hope you well
[17:48] <Kilos> evening superfly 
[17:48] <charlvn> just been busy
[17:48] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:48] <charlvn> i have been moving into a new apartment in the middle of the city
[17:48] <Kilos> hows things there SubOracle ?
[17:48] <charlvn> so i have been painting, drilling holes, hanging up curtains
[17:49] <Kilos> family and your health wise
[17:49] <charlvn> i also still have a piece of floor to do, i need to put a mat right at the entrance
[17:49] <Kilos> ah thats nice c har, closer to work?
[17:49] <Kilos> whew ChanServ 
[17:49] <Kilos> eish
[17:49] <Kilos> charlvn, 
[17:50] <smile> charlvn: when your apartment is done, you will organise a party? :D
[17:50] <charlvn> smile: i actually want to invite a few people over and eat some cake but i'm not a person for real parties
[17:50] <smile> me neither :)
[17:50] <charlvn> smile: particularly for the people who helped me moving stuff around and who gave me some furniture
[17:51] <charlvn> Kilos: not really much closer to work, about the same distance
[17:51] <Kilos> better place??
[17:51] <smile> charlvn: that's very kind :)
[17:51] <charlvn> Kilos: where i used to live was a really old building and i shared an apartment with a few other people
[17:52] <Kilos> ah i see
[17:52] <charlvn> Kilos: this is a more modern facility and i can live here on my own :)
[17:52] <Kilos> well hope you happier now
[17:52] <smile> :DD
[17:52] <Kilos> maybe you wont be so scarce then
[17:53] <charlvn> Kilos: no i will be on more from now on, the summer is over now and it's already getting colder so i will be spending a lot more time online
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <charlvn> Kilos: you always see that in the european hacker scene, when it's summer there is relatively little going on, but in the winter there is a lot of activity
[17:53] <charlvn> Kilos: mainly because everyone is indoors and doing interesting stuff with computers etc instead of doing stuff outside like in the summer
[17:53] <Kilos> our summer just starting. hadda coupla days of 30°c then cold again
[17:54] <charlvn> yeah here we also still get some mixed weather although it seems like the heat is about gone now
[17:54] <charlvn> we had a terribly hot summer
[17:57] <charlvn> smile: by the way, i discovered an interesting thing today, bier central also had la trappe which is actually a dutch beer
[17:58] <charlvn> smile: NL is not exactly known for producing good beer so for some reason i always assumed it was a belgian beer
[17:58] <charlvn> smile: only discovered it's a dutch beer today :)
[17:58] <smile> La trappe is the only trappist
[17:58] <smile> in NL
[17:59] <smile> all other trappists are made in Belgium :)
[18:04] <charlvn> yeah i'm sure
[18:04] <charlvn> like i said, NL is not exactly known  for producing good beer ;)
[18:04] <smile> Yeah.. ;)
[18:04] <smile> They stole our code o.O
[18:05]  * smile steels it back
[18:06] <charlvn> there is another exception though: http://www.hertogjan.nl/
[18:06] <charlvn> it's expensive but very good
[18:06] <smile> :)
[18:06] <smile> I have heard about it, but never tasted it :p
[18:07] <charlvn> the other beer i like to drink is duvel, you can buy it about everywhere in NL but it's a belgian beer
[18:07] <smile> :D
[18:07] <charlvn> there is also stella artois but i don't like it at all
[18:07] <charlvn> the other beers i like to drink are german beers but they are sometimes a bit hard to buy in NL
[18:08] <charlvn> fortunately i live close to the german border so i just go and buy them in germany :)
[18:08] <smile> lol :)
[18:08] <smile> do you live in drenthe?
[18:08] <charlvn> like erdinger, krombacher, bitburger, etc
[18:08] <charlvn> noe
[18:08] <charlvn> *nope
[18:09] <smile> in which province do you live, charlvn ? :)
[18:09] <charlvn> i especially like weissbrau or hefeweissen
[18:09] <charlvn> smile: overijssel
[18:09] <smile> oke :D
[18:09] <smile> Just under Drenthe
[18:09] <smile> :p
[18:09] <charlvn> yup
[18:10] <smile> My guess wasn't that bad :p
[18:10] <charlvn> nope pretty good actually :)
[18:11] <smile> :)
[18:11] <smile> I was in Drenthe a few weeks ago
[18:12] <charlvn> i have actually never been to drenthe, i don't normally go to the north of the country
[18:12] <charlvn> i get to holland every so frequently though
[18:12] <charlvn> i have family who live there
[18:13] <smile> :D
[18:14] <smile> I would like to visit all places in Europe
[18:14] <smile> :)
[18:14] <charlvn> i don't even try :P
[18:14] <smile> But I'll have a http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handelsreizigersprobleem .. ;)
[18:15] <charlvn> but i really do want to make it to some hacker camp or something this year
[18:15] <smile> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem )
[18:15] <charlvn> last year i just got too busy / lazy
[18:15] <charlvn> lol
[18:15] <smile> good luck :DD
[18:15] <charlvn> haha
[18:15] <charlvn> are you planning on attending anything?
[18:16] <smile> Not yet :) vague plans to meet someone in October
[18:16] <charlvn> ok
[18:16] <smile> (while studying, of course xD )
[18:16] <charlvn> if you hear of something interesting lemme know
[18:16] <smile> Of course I will :)
[18:16] <charlvn> i thought of maybe even doing chaos communication congress this year
[18:16] <charlvn> although last year there wasn't too much interesting
[18:16] <charlvn> it's in berlin i think though so i will need to book accommodation early
[18:17] <magespawn> howdy all
[18:17] <charlvn> because it's in a holiday season time of year too
[18:17] <smile> o :(
[18:17] <charlvn> hi magespawn 
[18:17] <charlvn> brb
[18:25] <Kerbero> "...and back to Hamburg in 2012"
[18:25] <Kerbero> ie, not berlin this year
[18:25] <magespawn> is that a good thing?
[18:26] <Kerbero> closer to charlvn
[18:26] <magespawn> i see, wish some of them were closer to me to
[18:27] <smile> good night, everyone :)
[18:27] <Kerbero> totsiens
[18:27] <magespawn> we have a few of that sort of thing in south africa
[18:27] <magespawn> later smile
[18:27] <Kerbero> pycon in a few days
[18:28] <smile> see ya, Kerbero and magespawn :)
[18:28] <smile> bye, charlvn 
[18:33] <charlvn> back
[18:34] <charlvn> Kerbero: ah that is very good news
[18:35] <Kerbero> too bad i did not know about it last year
[18:35] <Kerbero> otherwise i would've gone
[18:35] <charlvn> ok maybe i should really make an effort then this year
[18:35] <charlvn> i would like to see the programme up front though
[18:36] <charlvn> because last year's talks i thought was quite disappointing
[18:36] <charlvn> they had some interesting stuff about tor though
[18:41] <magespawn> now pycon would be something to go to 
[18:43] <charlvn> i also like python but not enough to attend a whole conference just about it :)
[18:43] <magespawn> only two days 
[18:43] <charlvn> http://za.pycon.org/
[18:43] <charlvn> i see praekelt is also a sponsor
[18:44] <charlvn> a good set of sponsors
[18:44] <magespawn> you get free stuff at cons
[18:45] <charlvn> lol is that your only reason for going? :)
[18:45] <charlvn> this does look interesting though: http://za.pycon.org/speaker/29/detail.html
[18:45] <magespawn> no good place to learn things
[18:45] <charlvn> i tend to get a feeling that most conferences are too far behind the cutting edge
[18:46] <charlvn> i went to oscon in 2010 and wasn't too impressed
[18:46] <charlvn> i picked up a few interesting things
[18:46] <charlvn> but most of it was pretty old stuff
[18:46] <charlvn> too much too quickly too
[18:48] <magespawn> besides this is cape town, would be good to visit
[18:50] <charlvn> it's a nice chance to meet people
[18:50] <charlvn> and cape town is always a nice place to visit for a few days
[18:51] <magespawn> have friends there i have not seen for years and new ones i have not met face to face yet.
[18:52] <charlvn> what are you still waiting for :)
[18:58] <magespawn> need time and money
[18:58] <magespawn> there was a discussion aboit moving there a one stage
[19:02] <inetpro> good night 
[19:02] <magespawn> besides for now my place is here
[19:02]  * inetpro falling asleep
[19:02] <magespawn> good night inetpro
[19:06] <charlvn> night inetpro 
[19:09] <magespawn> i would really like to go one of those security type con, and the ones in the states always seem well organised
[19:12] <magespawn> Def Con thats the one
[19:12] <magespawn> bit sun baked today forgot hates and sunscreen
[19:13]  * magespawn looks like a well done lobster
[19:18] <charlvn> there is also shmoocon, defcon, and a variety of others
[19:18] <charlvn> hak5 often goes to some of them
[19:18] <charlvn> blackhat i mean
[19:18] <charlvn> in europe it's mainly ccc which is very good
[19:19] <charlvn> but after a few years of some excellent research i feel last year was a let-down
[19:19] <charlvn> the ccc has a lot of events though and they are typically worth attending
[19:19] <charlvn> camps, conferences, etc
[19:20] <charlvn> there is also the linuxbierwanderung
[19:28] <magespawn> when rich will come to europe for a whole year of  nothing but cons
[19:39] <magespawn> later all
[19:39] <charlvn> ciao
[20:07] <Kilos> wow you guys been busy hey
[20:08] <Kilos> superfly, is 12.04 kubuntu stable and does nm work properly?
[20:08] <superfly> hasn't ever given me problems
[20:08] <Kilos> im thinkinf of getting it with night surfer data if i can stay awake
[20:09] <Kilos> ya but you fix things easy man
[20:09] <Kilos> does it work without fixes i mean
[20:09] <Kilos> superfly, you just install and it works?
[20:10] <superfly> yup, that was my experience
[20:10] <Kilos> and where do i find nm on it
[20:10] <Kilos> good then ill give it a go methinks
[20:10] <superfly> it is in your tray area
[20:10] <Kilos> ah good ty
[20:10] <Kilos> inetpro, lewe jy nog
[20:12] <Kilos> Maaz, google where to download kubuntu iso
[20:12] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download :: "Get Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu :: "Kubuntu 11.04 Released | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release :: "Kubuntu 10.04.4 LTS (Lucid Lynx)" http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/ :: "Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope)" http://old-
[20:12] <Maaz> releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/9.04/ :: "Kubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat)" http://releases.ubuntu.com/…
[20:13] <Kilos> Maaz, google where to download kubuntu 12.04 iso
[20:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download Kubuntu | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download :: "Kubuntu 12.04 LTS | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-release :: "Kubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (Precise Pangolin)" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/ :: "Kubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) Daily Build" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ::
[20:13] <Maaz> "kubuntu-12.04-dvd-amd64.iso (download torrent) - TPB" http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7218540/…
[20:15] <superfly> Kilos: do you want a live cd, or an alternate installer cd?
[20:15] <Kilos> live cd i think
[20:15] <Kilos> clean install but not deleting home
[20:16] <Kilos> too many email addies and settings to sort from scratch again
[20:16] <superfly> Kilos: 32 or 64 bit?
[20:16] <Kilos> 32 superfly 
[20:16] <Kilos> as long as i can find a terminal ill get by i think
[20:17] <Kilos> ian cant get his nm going onna lappy with kde 12.04
[20:17] <superfly> Kilos: it's easy to find the terminal :-)
[20:17] <Kilos> so better i install so i know what he is looking at
[20:17] <superfly> Kilos: Kubuntu uses the KDE version of Network Manager
[20:18] <Kilos> yes but is it just a little icon somewhere?
[20:18] <Kilos> right click setup?
[20:18] <Kilos> terminal on gnome is ctrl+alt+t
[20:19] <Kilos> is kde different
[20:20] <superfly> Kilos: KDE is not Gnome, so KDE is different.
[20:20] <Kilos> hehe so what keys please superfly 
[20:20] <Kilos> ill write it down
[20:20] <superfly> Kilos: what do you mean, what keys? you go to Konsole in your menu
[20:21] <Kilos> oh is that like applications
[20:21] <Kilos> shortcut keys to open a terminal
[20:22] <Kilos> and can i have lotsa workspaces
[20:22] <Kerbero> Kilos: i can help you with your network again tomorrow
[20:22] <Kerbero> if you are going to reinstall, please do not use firestarter again
[20:22] <Kilos> good ty Kerbero 
[20:22] <Kerbero> i was a bit busy the past few days
[20:22] <Kilos> ok i got arnos yesterday but didnt work either
[20:23] <superfly> Kilos: I think that's because you have too much other junk installed
[20:23] <Kerbero> gui programs to manage the firewall just doesn't work as well as doing it by hand
[20:24] <Kilos> ah ok then Kerbero ty for offering. ill give you a shout once setup
[20:24] <Kerbero> ok
[20:24] <Kilos> last setup crashed nm completely
[20:24] <Kilos> on booting next morning nm was gone
[20:24] <Kilos> hehe
[20:24] <superfly> Kerbero: I don't know if you've ever used Arno's but it's a service, and it really simplifies firewall management
[20:24] <Kilos> ive told you guys. murphy lives here
[20:25] <superfly> it's nice and light, doesn't do more than what it needs to
[20:25] <Kerbero> superfly: no i havn't used arnos
[20:25] <Kerbero> but i did have a look at firestarter
[20:25] <Kerbero> and some other ones
[20:25] <Kilos> superfly, why you asked all the info about 32 and 64 bit?
[20:25] <superfly> Kilos: was trying to find you a decent download link
[20:26] <Kilos> oh ty
[20:26] <superfly> Kilos: but mirror.ac.za is hopelessly out of date at the moment
[20:26] <Kilos> uh oh
[20:26] <Kilos> shout at symmetria
[20:26] <Kilos> Symmetria, ping
[20:26] <Kerbero> symm said last time to use ufs' mirror
[20:27] <Kerbero> better management there
[20:27] <superfly> lets see if I Can find a link
[20:29] <superfly> nope, modern releases of Kubuntu are only available on the international mirror: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[20:30] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[20:30] <Kilos> can one wget it?
[20:30] <Kilos> or better to go there
[20:31] <superfly> Kilos: you can wget that link I pasted
[20:31] <Kilos> great ty superfly 
[20:32] <Kerbero> superfly: arno's firewall script does the same thing that i do not like of the other tools too
[20:32] <Kerbero> locking down the machine
[20:32] <Kerbero> it is not a bad thing
[20:32] <Kerbero> but i don't like it if something do that without me specifically telling it to
[20:32] <superfly> Kerbero: you mean doing what a firewall is supposed to do? :-P
[20:33] <Kerbero> superfly: doing what a windows firewall does
[20:33] <Kerbero> if the port is not open on your computer, why firewall it?
[20:33] <Kerbero> especially if it is a home PC
[20:33] <superfly> *nod*
[20:33] <Kerbero> if it is a server on routable open internet fine
[20:33] <Kerbero> but home pc no
[20:34] <superfly> for me, the machine running the firewall is on a routable open internet connection - i have a web server on there
[20:34] <Kerbero> in kilos' case it is anyway only one rule he needs to do the masquerading
[20:36] <Kerbero> webserver yes, firewall and run ssh on not-port-22
[20:36] <superfly> yar
[20:36] <Kerbero> o and then one also runs fail2ban
[20:36] <Kerbero> hehe
[20:36] <Kilos> lol Kerbero work it all out lekker
[20:36] <Kilos> Kerbero, ill run a clean system with no other things installed. hope you know kubuntu
[20:37] <Kerbero> superfly: i know you don't like webmin, but i find webmin's iptables interface is very nice
[20:37] <Kerbero> the clearest one i have seen
[20:37] <Kerbero> what we do on a vps on open internet is to start the webmin service only when we need it
[20:37] <superfly> Kilos: well, like Kerbero said, there's really only one rule you need to know
[20:37] <Kerbero> and of course it also runs on a non default port
[20:38] <Kerbero> Kilos: kubuntu doesn't matter
[20:38] <Kerbero> the terminal works the same everywhere
[20:38] <Kilos> ah we use cli anyway hey
[20:38] <Kilos> hehe
[20:38] <Kilos> you type too fast for me
[20:38] <Kerbero> :)
[20:39] <Kerbero> IRC taught me how to type faster
[20:39] <Kilos> i installed 12.04 5 times yesterday and last night to get nm to at least show mobile broadband
[20:39] <Kerbero> :(
[20:40] <Kerbero> you installed it with the 3g modem unplugged right?
[20:40] <Kilos> yeah painful after a install not being able to update even
[20:40] <Kilos> couldnt even install sakis3g because you gotta wget it
[20:40] <Tonberry> ever thought of getting a dedicated 3g router?
[20:41] <Kerbero> ^very good idea
[20:41] <Kilos> price Tonberry ?
[20:41] <Kerbero> <R1k
[20:41] <Kilos> also then need another network cable
[20:41] <Kilos> a thousand bucks?
[20:42] <Kerbero> yeah :(
[20:42] <Kilos> thats a years data for me
[20:42] <Kerbero> yes i think you are better of doing it with your PC now
[20:42] <Kilos> ya i think so
[20:43] <Kilos> its a waste for 2 pcs with limited cap
[20:46] <Kilos> superfly, sorry to bug what sight do you update upgrade from if our mirror is outa date
[20:48] <Kilos> site
[20:55] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know, Kubuntu just picks up a decent mirror
[20:55] <Kilos> lol
[20:55] <Kilos> ok
[20:58] <Kilos> wget rocking, hold thumbs for me
[20:59] <Kilos> first iso download
[20:59] <Kilos> 5 secs per meg
[20:59] <Kilos> whew long way to go
[20:59] <Kerbero> not bad
[21:00] <Kilos> im doing it from maverick
[21:00] <Kilos> i still trust 10.10
[21:01] <Kerbero> +1
[21:01] <Kerbero> i still trust 8.10
[21:01] <Kerbero> it was the best ubuntu ever :P
[21:01] <Kilos> lol
[21:01] <Kerbero> the one with the bird on the background i think
[21:01] <Kilos> i started on 8.10
[21:01] <Kerbero> or the one after that
[21:01] <Kerbero> yeah me too
[21:02] <Kilos> but it got better every release up till 11.04
[21:02] <Kilos> there was too much to do manually
[21:02] <Kerbero> nah
[21:02] <Kerbero> i think it got worse
[21:02] <Kilos> even mxit in pidgin was a battle
[21:03] <Kerbero> only hardware support got a lot better
[21:03] <Kerbero> hehe
[21:03] <Kerbero> that is true
[21:03] <Kerbero> i remember
[21:03] <Kilos> methinks maverick was my best system ive used here
[21:03] <Kilos> new pidgin has everything already there
[21:04] <Kerbero> but ubuntu scrapped pidgin from its default install
[21:04] <Kilos> just the plugins to install;
[21:04] <Kilos> yeah when they went empathy they went backwards
[21:04] <Kilos> pidgin rocks
[21:04] <Kerbero> indeed
[21:05] <Kilos> i think thunderbird mail also isnt as nice as 10.10 evolution
[21:06]  * bakuman uses thunderbird
[21:06] <Kerbero> i've been using thunderbird for a very long time
[21:06] <Kerbero> as evolution broke when exchange upgraded to 2007
[21:06] <Kilos> evo can make its own backups
[21:06] <Kerbero> google keeps my backups
[21:06] <Kilos> lol
[21:07] <Kilos> i use online stuff as little as possible
[21:07] <Kerbero> i use it a lot
[21:07] <Kilos> at a stage i was limited to 100m data a month
[21:07] <Kerbero> as everything is nicely synchronized accross all my devices
[21:07] <Kerbero> office pc, home pc, laptop and mobile phone
[21:07] <Kilos> 8ta has helped a lot
[21:08] <Kilos> wow
[21:08] <Kerbero> uni internet helps a lot here :P
[21:08] <Kilos> yeah it would 
[21:08] <Kerbero> especially the free repo's
[21:08] <Kilos> 20% downloaded
[21:09] <Kilos> modem must be cooking
[21:09] <Kerbero> on a good day i can get 70MB/s from our local repo on my office PC
[21:09] <Kilos> wow
[21:09] <Kilos> id be happy with 1 mB/s
[21:10] <Kerbero> yeah 1MB/s is awesome
[21:10] <Kilos> but then 8ta special would also not be enough
[21:10] <Kerbero> i had that when i started using ubuntu
[21:11] <Kerbero> i think that is one of the main reasons i stayed
[21:11] <Kilos> ive never gone over 400 kB/s and that was for a few secs only
[21:11] <Kerbero> it is just too easy to install a new program
[21:11] <Kerbero> well 400kB/s is quite fast for 3G
[21:12] <Kilos> they advertise the modems as 6mB/s
[21:12] <Kilos> its them providers that limit you
[21:12] <Kilos> like the mtn R50 for a day
[21:13] <Kilos> after first 500m they choke you to 120kB/s
[21:13] <Kilos> but that goes down to 10kB/s at times
[21:13] <Kilos> swines
[21:14] <Kilos> 200m downloaded
[21:15] <Kilos> hope its not a dvd iso
[21:20] <Kerbero> ok nag oom kilos. ek gaan nou eers bed toe.
[21:22] <Kilos> nag Kerbero 
[21:22] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[21:45] <Kilos> superfly, does one do a checksum thing too?
[21:47] <superfly> if you want... I can't say I've ever really bothered
[21:50]  * superfly goes to bed
[21:50] <Kilos> sleep tight superfly 
[21:50] <Kilos> ty for the help
[22:09] <Kilos> aw disconnected at 98 % download