[04:02] <sl3apy> hello guys... I have been taught java and self taught myself C#/VB .NET and developed programs using those languages.  however I want to be useful in some kind of linux project since I have been using linux a lot more on my computers.  what language is more heavily used in linux projects and how do I get started in a linux programming project group?
[04:04] <ESphynx> sl3apy: hey :) I have an open source software project that would greatly benefit from help :P
[04:05] <sl3apy> ESphynx: what language are you using? I am learning C++ syntax in college (persuing a degree in comptuer science)
[04:06] <ESphynx> sl3apy: In fact the project is centered around a new language called eC :) It's an OO language based on C, so it's similar to C#/Java in many aspects, but it's compiled and native as opposed to managed or ran in a virtual machine
[04:06] <sl3apy> ESphynx: ooo cool.
[04:06] <ESphynx> sl3apy: The project is a light GUI/graphics cross platform toolkit, Integrated Development Environment and Compiler ...
[04:07] <sl3apy> that actually does sound like I would understand it really good then
[04:07] <ESphynx> sl3apy awesome ;) Join us in #ecere? ;)
[04:17] <bjsnider> ok, so in gnome-shell, the menubars have been removed now, as in unity, and in osx
[04:18] <bjsnider> the difference is, the options have not been moved to a menubar that is located in the top bar
[04:18] <bjsnider> they have been moved to an icon located in the top bar. if you click hte icon for empathy, for example, you get all of the menubar stuff
[04:19] <bjsnider> sop i guess nobody has any menubars anymore
[04:19] <ESphynx> I liked menu bars.
[04:20] <bjsnider> yes but you're mistaken
[04:21] <ESphynx> no I'm not. opiniated, perhaps.
[05:44] <ankit_> how do i install the drivers for my ati raedon 6400 on 12.10
[06:40] <X-tonic> will python 3.3 make it to 12.10?
[07:59] <endstille> hey all, do you know, if 12.10 will run with linux kernel 3.5 or will the new 3.6 kernel be used?
[08:01] <bazhang> !info linux
[08:03] <endstille> i'm running a netbook with 12.10 right now, i know the kernel, that is used right now ;)
[08:03] <endstille> i just wonder if 3.6 will core, or if i have to use mainline, to get it ;)
[08:04] <bazhang> perhaps wait around for someone with more knowledge (like a developer) to see your question and respond
[08:36] <gnomefreak> ChanServ: access #ubuntu+1 list
[08:36] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:11] <Milos_SD> Hi
[13:12] <Milos_SD> Why Libreoffice that is in 12.10  doesn't work? It will not start, and there is no errors in terminal (only 2 warnings)
[13:12] <Milos_SD> :S
[13:18] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: works here
[13:19] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: did you try renaming the config folder for the app?
[13:25] <Milos_SD> actionParsnip, I don't have .libreoffice folder in my home folder
[13:25] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice_old
[13:26] <Milos_SD> actionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/C2jCE9Wq
[13:27] <Milos_SD> doesn't work...
[13:27] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: is that after renaming the folder?
[13:27] <Milos_SD> I had almost the same problem with loffice 3.6 from ppa in 12.04
[13:27] <Milos_SD> yes, after
[13:27] <Milos_SD> before there ware only the first one and the last two
[13:27] <Milos_SD> :)
[13:27] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: are you using KDE?
[13:28] <Milos_SD> actionParsnip, no.. I use Unity
[13:28] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: ok, so gnome desktop ;)
[13:30] <actionParsnip> !bug 666523
[13:30] <actionParsnip> ah
[13:31] <sebas_> Beta 2 got issues with nvidia? got no video at boot
[13:31] <sebas_> card 460GTX
[13:33] <BluesKaj> sebas_, install nvidia-current . then reboot
[13:34] <sebas_> BluesKaj: I cannot do a liveboot
[13:34] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: try:  sudo apt-get --purge remove libreoffice*; rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice; rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice_old; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get updpate; sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[13:34] <actionParsnip> sebas_: tried the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[13:34] <sebas_> actionParsnip: nope thanx will try rightaway
[13:36] <BluesKaj> sebas, can you drop to TTY , sudo service lightdm stop, then install nvidia-current , sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[13:38] <sebas_> BluesKaj: thanx
[13:39] <BluesKaj> sebas_, I'm assuming your DM is lightdm
[13:39] <BluesKaj> oops too slow
[13:40] <CaptainKnots> is there a way to get unity 6.6 from quantal installed in 12.04?
[13:41] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: there is a Unity backports PPA
[13:41] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=unity
[13:42] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: its a great page to search for PPAs.
[13:42] <jbicha> CaptainKnots: no
[13:43] <CaptainKnots> actionParsnip: I already added the unity staging ppa
[13:43] <jbicha> oh dear, someone actually tried
[13:43] <actionParsnip> jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~benkai/+archive/precise-unity-backport
[13:43] <actionParsnip> jbicha: so, yes. It exists
[13:43] <CaptainKnots> it brought me up to 5.16
[13:44] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: the PPA has 6.2 Unity for Precise.
[13:44] <CaptainKnots> well, time to see if my system blows up
[13:44] <jbicha> I'm very skeptical; the gsettings transition is huge and we're still trying to squash bugs from it
[13:44] <CaptainKnots> has ubuntu moved to systemd?
[13:58] <dark_> problem installing ubuntu12.10 beta 2 using unetbootbin after installing ..grub2 doesn't load
[13:58] <actionParsnip> dark_: is it during the installation, or is this an installed OS?
[13:59] <dark_> help?
[14:00] <dark_> in an installed OS
[14:01] <actionParsnip> dark_: what video chip do yo use?
[14:07] <dark_> amd both
[14:07] <dark_> 3400 series
[14:07] <actionParsnip> try the boot option: nomodeset
[14:08] <sunk8> is there any error message dark_ ? or are you sent to the grub>> prompt?
[14:09] <AaronCampbell> On 12.04 in terminal doing something like 'git <tab><tab>' would give me a list of git commands (add, bisect, branch, commit, etc).  Now it offers a list of files in the current directory instead
[14:10] <AaronCampbell> Since this is a completely fresh install for me, is there maybe a package or a setting I'm missing? Or is this different in 12.10
[14:10] <AaronCampbell> Obviously I prefer the command-specific prompting/completion
[14:10] <dark_> nope nothing sent to grub2
[14:11] <Artemis3> AaronCampbell, bash-completion?
[14:11] <AaronCampbell> Artemis3: According to synaptic, that's installed
[14:12] <dark_> sorry its not amd.... on another computer i installed ubuntu12.10 beta 2 using unetbootbin after installing ..grub2 doesn't load..the config is intel i5 ,nvdia 520m
[14:13] <dark_> help?
[14:15] <Artemis3> dark_, can you hold shift when booting to see grub menu?
[14:18] <dark_> no i didn;t see menu...i switched my win7 gets booted
[14:19] <dark_> no i didn;t see menu...i turned on ...my win7 gets booted
[14:19] <Artemis3> so grub never installed
[14:20] <dark_> its days installed during installation
[14:21] <dark_> its says installed during installation
[14:21] <Artemis3> maybe its installing in the wrong place...
[14:22] <Artemis3> i suppose you should start with a thumbdrive first
[14:23] <dark_> if i put my thumbdrive....it only opens only intall menu
[14:23] <Artemis3> which image did you use in the thumbdrive?
[14:25] <dark_> ubuntu-12.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:25] <Artemis3> ah start, just don't install
[14:25] <Artemis3> its a "live" desktop
[14:30] <dark_> ya..i started it
[14:31] <Artemis3> try in a terminal: sudo lshw -class disk output to pastebin or similar
[14:31] <dark_> when trying to installing it detects that thart quantal is inatlled
[14:59] <designbybeck> Tomboy isn't used anymore in Ubuntu is it?
[14:59] <designbybeck> wasn't it based on mono?
[15:08] <Daekdroom> designbybeck, it isn't, and yes, it is based on Mono.
[15:08] <Daekdroom> Still available on the repos.
[15:26] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone else have issues with google talk aut
[15:26] <FunnyLookinHat> *auth
[15:26] <FunnyLookinHat> It seems empathy can't sign in every day, and I have to re-authorize the account or something to that degree....
[15:27] <Daekdroom> That used to happen to me. I don't know why it doesn't anymore
[15:29] <FunnyLookinHat> It just had me re-authorize with a full login ( as opposed to hitting the "Grant Access" button ) - maybe that'll fix it?
[15:30] <FunnyLookinHat> I have a feeling the initial perms request that was setup didn't have a long enough timeout
[15:36] <pepee> hi
[15:39] <pepee> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/quantal/beta2  <-  can/will features from linux 3.6 be backported?
[15:40] <pepee> sorry, http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.6
[15:44] <nbf> I upgraded to the quantal beta, how do I use the shopping lens?
[15:44] <nbf> I want to shop amazon via the dash dammit!
[15:46] <actionParsnip> nbf: just search
[15:47] <actionParsnip> nbf: use dash to search, things will appear
[15:47] <nbf> actionParsnip: I only get suggestions for music and dvds
[15:49] <pepee> btw have you ever read what stallman says about amazon? http://stallman.org/amazon.html
[15:49] <bazhang> !ot
[15:49] <nbf> for the things I like about rms, he's kind of a kook
[15:49] <bazhang> ...
[15:49] <nbf> kind of the bin laden of FLOSS
[15:50] <bazhang> lets move on pleaes
[15:50] <nbf> don't you have better things to do
[15:50] <nbf> it's not like this channel is busy with useful chat
[15:50] <pepee> ^
[15:50] <bazhang> it's not the chat channel.
[15:53] <pepee> anyway, where can I read about the phases of development of ubuntu?
[15:54] <bazhang> pepee, this release?
[15:54] <pepee> any release
[15:54] <bazhang> !schedule
[15:54] <pepee> about the process itself
[15:55] <bazhang> the mailing lists
[15:55] <pepee> to know if the features will or will not be backported
[16:48] <brohan__> I did a clean install of 12.10 Beta 1. While using live thumbdrive, all worked well. Afterinstalling all worked well. After an upgrade, when I log in I get no launcher, no sys tray, etc
[16:56] <BluesKaj> it have application support ?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> oops wrong channel
[16:59] <brohan> I am here now
[16:59] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:59] <trism> brohan: do you have -proposed enabled?
[16:59] <brohan> Restarting after install from thumbdrive Beta-1 iso
[17:00] <brohan> I assume not, I don't know what that is
[17:00] <trism> brohan: apt-cache policy compiz; pastebin that
[17:00] <brohan> I am now rebooting after install has completed
[17:01] <trism> brohan: oh did you just reinstall instead?
[17:02] <brohan> FYI I am logging in, has KDE workspace button and a guest button. After upgrading last time it only had my name, no guest no KDE button
[17:02] <BluesKaj> trism, he's installing kubuntu
[17:02] <brohan> I am doing this so that if I need to come back to this log I can follow what I am doing in case I need to do it again
[17:03] <pepee> you should have moved ~/.kde
[17:03] <brohan> System is up what do you recommend I do now BluesKay
[17:03] <GirlyGirl> I want to completely remove ubuntu-desktop packages on Kubuntu, any ideas?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> so you're at the login screen , brohan ?
[17:04] <bazhang> !purekde | GirlyGirl
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> bazhang: That's not for 12.10
[17:04] <brohan> I have logged in, all is well. Blueskaj
[17:05] <trism> BluesKaj: thanks, seems like I missed part of the discussion
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> bazhang: Some package names change so I would not do that
[17:05] <BluesKaj> cool brohan
[17:05] <brohan> Now what
[17:06] <BluesKaj> open a terminal and run sudo apt-getupdate;sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:06] <BluesKaj> err, run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:06] <BluesKaj> brohan, ^
[17:07] <brohan> I get error messages at first
[17:07] <brohan> says can't get InRelease
[17:08] <brohan> couldn't resolve us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, no internet connection
[17:08] <brohan> couldn't get release.gpg couldn't resolve security.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <brohan> BUT
[17:08] <brohan> it says some index files failed to download, then building ress
[17:08] <brohan> tree
[17:09] <brohan> yada yada then need to get 240 mb/290 mb of archives
[17:09] <brohan> do I wan to continue
[17:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:10] <brohan> Oops
[17:10] <brohan> you were right, no internet connection
[17:10] <brohan> I connected redid command
[17:10] <brohan> all is well as far as no error messages
[17:11] <brohan> go ahead and hit Y now?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:11] <brohan> I don't have to worry about video drivers getting bunged up?
[17:12] <pepee> brohan, ati graphics?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> well ,there's always a chance , but I'm sure we can solve the problem if it happens
[17:15] <brohan> ati radeon x1400
[17:16] <brohan> If this is the same as doing the muon upgrade, this may very well cause an issue
[17:16] <BluesKaj> are you seeing any errors , brohan ?
[17:17] <brohan> not yet
[17:17] <brohan> all looks good
[17:17] <brohan> after I hit Y to begin it is GET one line after the other nothing in between
[17:18] <BluesKaj> pepee, what's the default driver for un configured ati graphics ,,vesa ?
[17:18] <brohan> It says GET then maybe one or 2 HIT, then as it get so GET 20 it is all Get 21 Get 22 etc
[17:18] <BluesKaj> brohan, yes that's normal
[17:18] <brohan> perfect
[17:19] <brohan> It looks like it is doing final processing, and I got a sys not box saying upgrades are avail
[17:19] <pepee> I'm not sure BluesKaj
[17:19] <pepee> shouldn't it be ati?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> yeah , that one's always behind the terminal brohan , muon and apt-get  both use the the dpkg management system , muon is just a GUI and apt-get is the terminal app , both do the same thing
[17:21] <brohan> makes sense, just figured it was odd that I was upgrading and it tells me there are upgrades, GUI lags?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> that's just a slow notifier at work brohan
[17:22] <brohan> What is the diff in doing this, vs the way I used gui before that gave me this graphics issue?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> hard to know
[17:22] <brohan> ok
[17:23] <brohan> I am pretty new to this that is why I am asking :-)
[17:23] <brohan> Lots of setting up lines now
[17:24] <brohan> error grub bios secto 32 in use by FlexNet
[17:25] <brohan> installation finished (that part) no errors reported
[17:25] <BluesKaj> brohan, once the upgrades are finished in the terminal , look in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[17:25] <brohan> will do
[17:25] <pepee> no, reboot first
[17:25] <pepee> and reboot twice
[17:25] <brohan> Rebuilding Xapian index
[17:26] <brohan> So reboot once, log in then reboot, or reboot to login screen, reboot, then log in and check the menu apps system add drivers?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> twice ?
[17:27] <brohan> It is done in terminal, Reboot?
[17:27] <pepee> I've seen strange things happen, so I reboot twice to be sure
[17:27] <brohan> so reboot now?
[17:27] <pepee> it takes you a minute, so...
[17:27] <BluesKaj> yes , probly a good idea to reboot now
[17:27] <brohan> OK
[17:28] <brohan> then reboot to login screen and reboot, or login and then reboot?
[17:28] <pepee> perphaps it's not needed, but it's a good idea to always reboot after upgrading
[17:28] <BluesKaj> pepee, so reboot again from the login after the first reboot ?
[17:28] <pepee> brohan, login and reboot
[17:28] <brohan> ok
[17:29] <BluesKaj> getting to be like a windows install
[17:29] <brohan> pepee as an FYI, after upgrading last time, I logged in to nothing, no launcher, systray, no right mouse click etc
[17:30] <brohan> Unfortunately I have to go soon, but will be back in about 2 hours
[17:30] <pepee> brohan, mv ~/.kde{,_backup}
[17:30] <pepee> run that in a console, then reboot
[17:31] <BluesKaj> gonna be 3 reboots if there's a recommended driver to install
[17:31] <brohan> still waiting on 1st reboot :-(
[17:31] <brohan> hdd is running
[17:31] <pepee> ok, let it do whatever it's doing
[17:31] <pepee> don't run the command
[17:32] <brohan> I will let it keep smoking
[17:32] <pepee> not until another reboot
[17:32] <brohan> that was just shutting down, it is now firing back up, for the 1st time :-)
[17:33] <brohan> I am at login screen for the first time, all appears well
[17:33] <brohan> getting login icons
[17:34] <brohan> (which didn't happen before)
[17:34] <brohan> OK, logged in, all is well, asking for wallet password. Reboot now?
[17:34] <pepee> yeah, just to be sure
[17:34] <brohan> I know what went awry!
[17:35] <brohan> I backed up my home dir
[17:35] <brohan> then I just restored backup
[17:35] <brohan> I now assume that restored old config settings for 12.04?
[17:35] <pepee> probably
[17:36] <brohan> and that caused issue?
[17:36] <brohan> How can I remedy that?
[17:36] <brohan> I have to go :-( Can I look you guys up  when I get back?
[17:37] <pepee> my guess would be that something needs to redo something, and until it's done, all will be a mess
[17:37] <pepee> sure brohan
[17:37] <brohan> Will look you up later
[17:37] <brohan> THANK YOU for all your help
[17:37] <BluesKaj> np
[17:40] <BluesKaj> brohan, better to have a / and /home partitions rather than solely relying on backup , the conf files in /home are auto reconfigured to new version afaik during the reinstall to /
[17:42] <jetsaredim> is there a way to manage the unity lenses
[17:46] <trism> jetsaredim: manage in what way? I believe the only way to stop them from loading is to uninstall them
[17:47] <jetsaredim> trism: hm - ok - they seems to be continually crashing so it would be nice to disable them
[17:47] <jetsaredim> i never use anything other than the program search
[18:17] <silverarrow> hi
[18:19] <BluesKaj>  hi silverarrow
[18:20] <silverarrow> I have manage to boot quantal ppc of Ubuntu
[18:20] <silverarrow> not yet installed
[18:23] <BluesKaj> live cd /usb ?
[18:27] <silverarrow> cd
[19:33] <designbybeck> Uh oh! This isn't good: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-wont-fix-nsfw-content-in-amazon-unity-results
[19:33] <designbybeck> I'd hate to have this installed for some of the kids we work with and have NSFW stuff pop up at random searches
[19:33] <designbybeck> WHat is your take on this?
[19:34] <designbybeck> But I guess it is "removable"
[19:35] <jtaylor> it sucks ...
[19:36] <jtaylor> edubuntu does not install it by default
[19:36] <designbybeck> oh that is good to know!
[19:36] <designbybeck> I haven't checked out edubuntu 12.10 yet how is it looking jtaylor
[19:36] <jtaylor> I haven't tried it either
[19:36] <dmatt> what should be used instead of jockey?
[19:37] <dmatt> in Kubuntu
[19:37] <jtaylor> but I saw that there was a bug about removing it from edubuntu for obvious reasons
[19:37] <Rallias> Is there any word as to if kernel 3.6 is making it into quantal?
[19:37] <jtaylor> Rallias: won't happen besides backports
[19:37] <designbybeck> i thought i saw it was Rallias
[19:37] <designbybeck> ...oh maybe not
[19:37] <Rallias> Oh... fun.
[19:37] <jtaylor> it was only released today, quantal is due in three weeks
[19:38] <jtaylor> far to little time
[19:38] <Rallias> Yeah, but kernel freeze is on the 4th
[19:38] <Rallias> so I was wondering.
[19:38] <silverarrow> will it ever be tested for an update?
[19:38] <jtaylor> hm I think if it was planned we would have an rc in quantal already
[19:38]  * silverarrow googles rc
[19:39] <Rallias> So there's no ability to use quantal for commercial LXC?
[19:39] <jtaylor> rc = release candidate
[19:40] <jtaylor> lxc should work with 3.5 too?
[19:40] <jtaylor> or is there something specific in 3.6?
[19:40] <jtaylor> I have used lxc in precise which has 3.2
[19:40] <Rallias> 3.5 series if you issue shutdown in a container it shuts down the host system.
[19:40] <Rallias> That was fixed in 3.6
[19:40] <jtaylor> outch
[19:40] <jtaylor> its likely that fix was or will be backported
[19:41] <jtaylor> lxc is important for ubuntu
[19:41] <trism> Rallias: do you know which commit fixed it? we may have added it to 3.5
[19:41] <Rallias> trism I'm not sure, I just know it was targeted for 3.6
[19:42] <Rallias> I tested it in a self-compiled kernel, but I would much rather use a stock kernel in a high liability environment.
[19:44] <Rallias> Is there a PPA for me to use to get the 3.6.x kernels?
[19:46] <jtaylor> Rallias: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[19:47] <jtaylor> but they are for testing purposes, not really supported
[19:47] <silverarrow> is there a clever way to get the b43 quantal package on a usb stick?
[19:48] <jtaylor> silverarrow: cp /var/cache/apt/archive/...*deb /media/...?
[19:48] <silverarrow> hmm, ?
[19:48] <jtaylor> what do you mean?
[19:49] <silverarrow> well, I usualy have to get wired and do updates and what not to get the b43 stuff
[19:49] <jtaylor> so for the live usb?
[19:49] <silverarrow> and I have only wireless right now
[19:50] <silverarrow> well, I have live cd which boots now, but the b43 drivers
[19:51] <jtaylor> you can allocate persistent storage on an use and put it there
[19:52] <dmatt> BluesKaj: the first question is if jockey-kde is going to be functional or not
[19:53] <BluesKaj> dmatt, I haven't heard that
[19:53] <dmatt> BluesKaj: if yes and only after final release, i am kind of ok with that even though there is not time to test anything
[19:54] <dmatt> BluesKaj: if no, I am pretty much interested in testing the alternative which is going to be official way to install fglrx
[19:55] <dmatt> BluesKaj: citing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 :
[19:55] <BluesKaj> dmatt, the fglrx driver seems to work on some radeons and not others , I don't know what the answer is except to try everything possible including the ati/radeon proprietary
[19:56] <dmatt> BluesKaj: Jockey has been deprecated in favor of a "Drivers" component in software-properties.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> do thexedgers crew have any drivers available , I haven't checked
[19:57] <s9iper1> does empathy support to get the previous convrsation history from facebook ??
[19:58] <BluesKaj> dmatt,  so you don't have an additional drivers option in the kmenu?
[19:59] <dmatt> BluesKaj: yes but this was update from 12.04
[20:00] <dmatt> BluesKaj: maybe even fglrx in repositories would work for me (it used to without problems), jockey just does not suggest anything
[20:00] <dmatt> BluesKaj: and when i found in release notes that jockey is deprecated, I want to know if there is other official way
[20:00] <BluesKaj> dmatt, I did a clean install to / , maybe the additional drivers component was saved in the conf files
[20:01] <dmatt> BluesKaj: you don't have it in 12.10?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I have addtitonal drivers option , dmatt , but it's nvidia , not ati
[20:02] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I am trying to determine what "Jockey has been deprecated in favor of a "Drivers" component in software-properties." from beta2 release notes really means
[20:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , good question
[20:04] <dmatt> dmatt: maybe the upgrade was b0rked, I had to use cli jockey to deaactivate fglrx to get to GUI
[20:05] <dmatt> BluesKaj: ^
[20:06]  * BluesKaj nods
[20:08]  * MrChrisDruif waves at BluesKaj 
[20:09] <BluesKaj> dmatt, for what it's worth . the drivers listed in jockey are different ,( so probly upgraded options) , now than the last time I checked , so jockey might be retained for nvidia equipped pcs
[20:09]  * BluesKaj waves back at MrChrisDruif
[20:09] <MrChrisDruif> =D
[20:11] <BluesKaj> dmatt, altho I'm not using any of the optional drivers listed in jockey
[20:13] <glebihan> dmatt, BluesKaj : jockey is going away completely, replaced by an additional tab in software-properties
[20:13] <dmatt> BluesKaj: thatnk, i try clean test install and check jockey there
[20:13] <glebihan> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1021733 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings#drivers
[20:14] <dmatt> glebihan: and what will replace it in Kubuntu?
[20:14] <glebihan> dmatt, I'm not sure what's been decided for kubuntu
[20:19] <BluesKaj> where is the software properties equivalent on kde , glebihan?
[20:20] <glebihan> BluesKaj, I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've last used KDE
[20:21] <BluesKaj> probly the software center , which i don't use
[20:21] <BluesKaj> or have installed
[20:26] <dmatt> BluesKaj: no it is not in software center, it only leads back to jockey
[20:32] <silverarrow> Vista got a bit better after the sp packages
[20:32] <silverarrow> boots in about a week
[20:35] <BluesKaj> dmatt, found it in /usr/share/software properties, but thereisn't anything there about graphics drivers
[20:48] <dmatt> BluesKaj: don't know if this is really related
[20:49] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, A OEM vista?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> dmatt, yeah it was just a guess using locate in the terminal
[20:50] <silverarrow> a what?
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, Factory install not a straight install from a disc original equipment manufacture (OEM)
[20:53] <dmatt> BluesKaj: jockey (0.9.7-0ubuntu11) quantal; urgency=low
[20:53] <dmatt> * debian/control: Turn jockey-gtk into a transitional package for
[20:53] <dmatt> software-properties-gtk, to avoid showing two icons in control-center
[20:53] <dmatt> after upgrading.
[20:53] <dmatt> -- Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com> Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:45:56 +0200
[20:54] <silverarrow> yes factory installed
[20:56] <dmatt> BluesKaj: seems to me that jockey-kde should work
[20:57] <BluesKaj> software-properties-kde  maybe
[20:57] <dmatt> BluesKaj: i'll make that clean install and check jockey there
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, Ah worst install type, lots of extra stuff not needed that make it run slower in general, vista has a bad rap I only tried it for a couple of weeks with a reinstall on a used computer I bought ran pretty good, but I suspect overtime there may have been problems, hard to say.
[20:58] <BluesKaj> jockey works here , both in additional drivers and the krunner
[20:58] <BluesKaj> dmatt,^
[20:58] <dmatt> BluesKaj: ok, sofware-properties-kde is for repositories setting
[21:00] <dmatt> BluesKaj: thank you for help
[21:01] <silverarrow> it takes a long time to boot and for wireless to be up and running, otherwise there are not any trouble
[21:01] <silverarrow> it has been stable and reliable for years
[21:01] <silverarrow> these days when ultrabooks boots in 20 seconds, this one is ridiculous
[21:02] <BluesKaj> dmatt, dunno how much help I was , but it was a learning experience for me :)
[21:06] <BluesKaj> ok , time to go ..stuff to do
[21:14] <brohan> Hey BluesKaj, I am back, sorry it took longer than expected
[21:14] <brohan> BluesKaj as a reminder I just did a new install, upgraded, my video works great. I need to now restore my backup (I assume minus the old config files)
[21:15] <brohan> and you are gone :-(
[21:16] <brohan> you here Pepee?
[21:19] <brohan> Can anyone help with doing a clean install of 12.10 and then restoring a 12.04 backup  without messing up my video (which works just fine in 12.10)
[21:23] <pepee> brohan, why not just simply copy the files?
[21:24] <pepee> hmm you'll need to change permissions after that
[21:24] <brohan> I did the backup with deja dup
[21:24] <brohan> I am not sure how to restore other than using it to restore all
[21:25] <brohan> (although in the future by backup drive is big enough to just copy, not compress)
[21:25] <brohan> Before I had left pepee you had suggested after rebooting mv ~/.kde {,_backup}
[21:26] <brohan> still do that?
[21:26] <silverarrow> are you in quantal now?
[21:26] <pepee> no, if it's working , leave it there brohan
[21:26] <pepee> also, be careful when copying commands
[21:26] <silverarrow> when you boot quantal is the side taskbar there?
[21:26] <brohan> ok. What happens when I restore my backup which was made in 12.04 and made of my entire home directory?
[21:27] <pepee> brohan, does your system has the same username as the previous one?
[21:27] <brohan> I am using kubuntu, and was recommeded, and had the conversation in this chat, so it is a bit off topic
[21:27] <brohan> pepp yes it does
[21:27] <pepee> *have
[21:28] <brohan> It didn't, BUT then last night I redid everything so it did, which I should have left my mistake alone
[21:28] <brohan> So right now my username is the same\
[21:29] <brohan> create a new user, restore backup to that user, then copy what I need?
[21:29] <pepee> same IDs too?
[21:29] <pepee> try copying the files directly and see what happens, but make sure to not touch your backup
[21:29] <brohan> what do you mean by ID's, the computer name?
[21:30] <pepee> user ID
[21:30] <brohan> How do I copy the files directly? They were backed up with Deja Dup, as some kind of compressed one I think. Right now my username is the same as it was before yes
[21:30] <pepee> brohan, sadly, I've never used deja dup
[21:31] <brohan> I believe that I can actually restore it to a different directory
[21:31] <brohan> I will give that a go?
[21:31] <pepee> do you want to recover the whole /home?
[21:32] <pepee> including configs, etc?
[21:32] <brohan> NO, just data files from what I would imagine since I did a whole fresh install with HDD formatting
[21:32] <brohan> no need for any configs
[21:32] <brohan> any software configs I can redo
[21:32] <brohan> they were just eyecandy
[21:33] <brohan> luckily my browser bookwarks are in the cloud
[21:33] <pepee> it's a backup of /home?
[21:33] <brohan> yes
[21:33] <brohan> and just /home
[21:33] <brohan> well /bjrohan
[21:33] <brohan> home/bjrohan
[21:34] <pepee> well, I'd just try it
[21:34] <brohan> try to restore it to the same directory
[21:34] <pepee> if something goes wrong, redo all the process
[21:34] <brohan> do you think the kde config will mess up my display again?
[21:34] <brohan> that will take hours
[21:35] <brohan> but if you are over 50% sure I can restore backup fine I will give it a go
[21:37] <brohan> If I may, what did we do this time that kept my display issues from happening than I did on my own?
[21:41] <brohan> I am just asking so I can learn, to fish vs being fed once :-)
[21:42] <zzillezz> i'm getting a black screen after a successful install of ubuntu gnome remix 12.10 beta :(
[21:43] <pepee> zzillezz, do you know how to use the grub manager at boot?
[21:44] <pepee> brohan, if it does, you can always fix it
[21:45] <brohan> true
[21:45] <brohan> Now in KDE I can't find the standard Muon Package manager
[21:46] <zzillezz> pepee, what's there to do besides selecting Ubuntu ?
[21:46] <pepee> brohan, its  called apper I think, but I'm not sure
[21:48] <pepee> zzillezz, in grub, press e and remove "quiet splash", then press ctrl+x
[21:51] <zzillezz> pepee, it stops again at Booting Node 0, Processors #1
[21:51] <pepee> does it show some error message or somthing?
[21:51] <pepee> *something
[21:52] <zzillezz> nope :(
[21:53] <pepee> zzillezz, what cpu?
[21:53] <pepee> zzillezz, a workaround:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/100721/ubuntu-11-10-64-bit-wont-start-after-i-upgrade-it-possible-procesor-problems
[21:55] <zzillezz> alright, i'll have a read thanks pepee
[21:55] <pepee> zzillezz, what cpu?
[21:55] <zzillezz> i was running xubuntu 12.10 without problems ... core i3
[21:55] <brohan> pepee, do you recommend I restore then install my software (gimp, scribus) or install then restore?
[21:56] <pepee> zzillezz, just add "maxcpus=1"  to that line, and file a bug report.
[21:56] <pepee> brohan, not sure, sorry
[21:56] <pepee> but I'd restore and install
[21:57] <zzillezz> the line in grub where i deleted quiet splash ?
[21:57] <pepee> yes zzillezz
[21:57] <brohan> ok
[21:57] <pepee> brohan, that if it's the configs in /home
[21:57] <brohan> they are
[21:57] <brohan> Thanks :-)
[21:59] <pepee> zzillezz, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1706348
[21:59] <pepee> zzillezz, ^it says the solution is to upgrade your BIOS
[22:00] <zzillezz> no bios updates available i'm afraid ...
[22:00] <pepee> read that thread, could be helpful
[22:00] <zzillezz> can i change the keyboard layout of grub ?
[22:00] <zzillezz> can't find the = since i'm not using qwerty
[22:02] <pepee> not sure zzillezz, never did that
[22:03] <zzillezz> found it :)
[22:04] <zzillezz> it's booting now ... let's see if it's working on all cores
[23:05] <brohan> pepee, IT WORKED did the restore, rebooted all is well
[23:05] <brohan> now time to install the apps
[23:06] <pepee> cool brohan
[23:06] <brohan> And . .  it looks like it brought over some of my old config settings
[23:07] <brohan> although need to update 3rd party dock etc. Thank you so much for your help.
[23:07] <pepee> you are welcome
[23:09] <brohan> Now to add old preferred software etc.