| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| sl3apy | hello guys... I have been taught java and self taught myself C#/VB .NET and developed programs using those languages. however I want to be useful in some kind of linux project since I have been using linux a lot more on my computers. what language is more heavily used in linux projects and how do I get started in a linux programming project group? | 04:02 |
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| ESphynx | sl3apy: hey :) I have an open source software project that would greatly benefit from help :P | 04:04 |
| sl3apy | ESphynx: what language are you using? I am learning C++ syntax in college (persuing a degree in comptuer science) | 04:05 |
| ESphynx | sl3apy: In fact the project is centered around a new language called eC :) It's an OO language based on C, so it's similar to C#/Java in many aspects, but it's compiled and native as opposed to managed or ran in a virtual machine | 04:06 |
| sl3apy | ESphynx: ooo cool. | 04:06 |
| ESphynx | sl3apy: The project is a light GUI/graphics cross platform toolkit, Integrated Development Environment and Compiler ... | 04:06 |
| sl3apy | that actually does sound like I would understand it really good then | 04:07 |
| ESphynx | sl3apy awesome ;) Join us in #ecere? ;) | 04:07 |
| === philballew_ is now known as philballew | ||
| bjsnider | ok, so in gnome-shell, the menubars have been removed now, as in unity, and in osx | 04:17 |
| bjsnider | the difference is, the options have not been moved to a menubar that is located in the top bar | 04:18 |
| bjsnider | they have been moved to an icon located in the top bar. if you click hte icon for empathy, for example, you get all of the menubar stuff | 04:18 |
| bjsnider | sop i guess nobody has any menubars anymore | 04:19 |
| ESphynx | I liked menu bars. | 04:19 |
| bjsnider | yes but you're mistaken | 04:20 |
| ESphynx | no I'm not. opiniated, perhaps. | 04:21 |
| ankit_ | how do i install the drivers for my ati raedon 6400 on 12.10 | 05:44 |
| X-tonic | will python 3.3 make it to 12.10? | 06:40 |
| endstille | hey all, do you know, if 12.10 will run with linux kernel 3.5 or will the new 3.6 kernel be used? | 07:59 |
| bazhang | !info linux | 08:01 |
| ubottu | linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 3.5.0.14.14 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 31 kB | 08:01 |
| endstille | i'm running a netbook with 12.10 right now, i know the kernel, that is used right now ;) | 08:03 |
| endstille | i just wonder if 3.6 will core, or if i have to use mainline, to get it ;) | 08:03 |
| bazhang | perhaps wait around for someone with more knowledge (like a developer) to see your question and respond | 08:04 |
| gnomefreak | ChanServ: access #ubuntu+1 list | 08:36 |
| gnomefreak | damn | 08:36 |
| === ninjak_ is now known as ninjak | ||
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:49 |
| Milos_SD | Hi | 13:11 |
| Milos_SD | Why Libreoffice that is in 12.10 doesn't work? It will not start, and there is no errors in terminal (only 2 warnings) | 13:12 |
| Milos_SD | :S | 13:12 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: works here | 13:18 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: did you try renaming the config folder for the app? | 13:19 |
| Milos_SD | actionParsnip, I don't have .libreoffice folder in my home folder | 13:25 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice_old | 13:25 |
| Milos_SD | actionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/C2jCE9Wq | 13:26 |
| Milos_SD | doesn't work... | 13:27 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: is that after renaming the folder? | 13:27 |
| Milos_SD | I had almost the same problem with loffice 3.6 from ppa in 12.04 | 13:27 |
| Milos_SD | yes, after | 13:27 |
| Milos_SD | before there ware only the first one and the last two | 13:27 |
| Milos_SD | :) | 13:27 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: are you using KDE? | 13:27 |
| Milos_SD | actionParsnip, no.. I use Unity | 13:28 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: ok, so gnome desktop ;) | 13:28 |
| actionParsnip | !bug 666523 | 13:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 666523 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[USB-Audio - Samson C03U ] Recording problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/666523 | 13:30 |
| actionParsnip | ah | 13:30 |
| sebas_ | Beta 2 got issues with nvidia? got no video at boot | 13:31 |
| sebas_ | card 460GTX | 13:31 |
| BluesKaj | sebas_, install nvidia-current . then reboot | 13:33 |
| sebas_ | BluesKaj: I cannot do a liveboot | 13:34 |
| actionParsnip | Milos_SD: try: sudo apt-get --purge remove libreoffice*; rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice; rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice_old; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get updpate; sudo apt-get install libreoffice | 13:34 |
| actionParsnip | sebas_: tried the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1 | 13:34 |
| sebas_ | actionParsnip: nope thanx will try rightaway | 13:34 |
| BluesKaj | sebas, can you drop to TTY , sudo service lightdm stop, then install nvidia-current , sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx | 13:36 |
| sebas_ | BluesKaj: thanx | 13:38 |
| BluesKaj | sebas_, I'm assuming your DM is lightdm | 13:39 |
| BluesKaj | oops too slow | 13:39 |
| CaptainKnots | is there a way to get unity 6.6 from quantal installed in 12.04? | 13:40 |
| actionParsnip | CaptainKnots: there is a Unity backports PPA | 13:41 |
| actionParsnip | CaptainKnots: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=unity | 13:41 |
| actionParsnip | CaptainKnots: its a great page to search for PPAs. | 13:42 |
| jbicha | CaptainKnots: no | 13:42 |
| CaptainKnots | actionParsnip: I already added the unity staging ppa | 13:43 |
| jbicha | oh dear, someone actually tried | 13:43 |
| actionParsnip | jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~benkai/+archive/precise-unity-backport | 13:43 |
| actionParsnip | jbicha: so, yes. It exists | 13:43 |
| CaptainKnots | it brought me up to 5.16 | 13:43 |
| actionParsnip | CaptainKnots: the PPA has 6.2 Unity for Precise. | 13:44 |
| CaptainKnots | well, time to see if my system blows up | 13:44 |
| jbicha | I'm very skeptical; the gsettings transition is huge and we're still trying to squash bugs from it | 13:44 |
| CaptainKnots | has ubuntu moved to systemd? | 13:44 |
| dark_ | problem installing ubuntu12.10 beta 2 using unetbootbin after installing ..grub2 doesn't load | 13:58 |
| actionParsnip | dark_: is it during the installation, or is this an installed OS? | 13:58 |
| dark_ | help? | 13:59 |
| dark_ | in an installed OS | 14:00 |
| actionParsnip | dark_: what video chip do yo use? | 14:01 |
| dark_ | amd both | 14:07 |
| dark_ | 3400 series | 14:07 |
| actionParsnip | try the boot option: nomodeset | 14:07 |
| sunk8 | is there any error message dark_ ? or are you sent to the grub>> prompt? | 14:08 |
| AaronCampbell | On 12.04 in terminal doing something like 'git <tab><tab>' would give me a list of git commands (add, bisect, branch, commit, etc). Now it offers a list of files in the current directory instead | 14:09 |
| AaronCampbell | Since this is a completely fresh install for me, is there maybe a package or a setting I'm missing? Or is this different in 12.10 | 14:10 |
| AaronCampbell | Obviously I prefer the command-specific prompting/completion | 14:10 |
| dark_ | nope nothing sent to grub2 | 14:10 |
| Artemis3 | AaronCampbell, bash-completion? | 14:11 |
| AaronCampbell | Artemis3: According to synaptic, that's installed | 14:11 |
| dark_ | sorry its not amd.... on another computer i installed ubuntu12.10 beta 2 using unetbootbin after installing ..grub2 doesn't load..the config is intel i5 ,nvdia 520m | 14:12 |
| dark_ | help? | 14:13 |
| Artemis3 | dark_, can you hold shift when booting to see grub menu? | 14:15 |
| dark_ | no i didn;t see menu...i switched my win7 gets booted | 14:18 |
| dark_ | no i didn;t see menu...i turned on ...my win7 gets booted | 14:19 |
| Artemis3 | so grub never installed | 14:19 |
| dark_ | its days installed during installation | 14:20 |
| dark_ | its says installed during installation | 14:21 |
| Artemis3 | maybe its installing in the wrong place... | 14:21 |
| Artemis3 | i suppose you should start with a thumbdrive first | 14:22 |
| dark_ | if i put my thumbdrive....it only opens only intall menu | 14:23 |
| Artemis3 | which image did you use in the thumbdrive? | 14:23 |
| dark_ | ubuntu-12.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso | 14:25 |
| Artemis3 | ah start, just don't install | 14:25 |
| Artemis3 | its a "live" desktop | 14:25 |
| === 50UABSEYY is now known as trijntje | ||
| dark_ | ya..i started it | 14:30 |
| Artemis3 | try in a terminal: sudo lshw -class disk output to pastebin or similar | 14:31 |
| dark_ | when trying to installing it detects that thart quantal is inatlled | 14:31 |
| designbybeck | Tomboy isn't used anymore in Ubuntu is it? | 14:59 |
| designbybeck | wasn't it based on mono? | 14:59 |
| Daekdroom | designbybeck, it isn't, and yes, it is based on Mono. | 15:08 |
| Daekdroom | Still available on the repos. | 15:08 |
| FunnyLookinHat | Anyone else have issues with google talk aut | 15:26 |
| FunnyLookinHat | *auth | 15:26 |
| FunnyLookinHat | It seems empathy can't sign in every day, and I have to re-authorize the account or something to that degree.... | 15:26 |
| Daekdroom | That used to happen to me. I don't know why it doesn't anymore | 15:27 |
| FunnyLookinHat | It just had me re-authorize with a full login ( as opposed to hitting the "Grant Access" button ) - maybe that'll fix it? | 15:29 |
| FunnyLookinHat | I have a feeling the initial perms request that was setup didn't have a long enough timeout | 15:30 |
| pepee | hi | 15:36 |
| pepee | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/quantal/beta2 <- can/will features from linux 3.6 be backported? | 15:39 |
| pepee | sorry, http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.6 | 15:40 |
| nbf | I upgraded to the quantal beta, how do I use the shopping lens? | 15:44 |
| nbf | I want to shop amazon via the dash dammit! | 15:44 |
| actionParsnip | nbf: just search | 15:46 |
| actionParsnip | nbf: use dash to search, things will appear | 15:47 |
| nbf | actionParsnip: I only get suggestions for music and dvds | 15:47 |
| pepee | btw have you ever read what stallman says about amazon? http://stallman.org/amazon.html | 15:49 |
| bazhang | !ot | 15:49 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. | 15:49 |
| nbf | for the things I like about rms, he's kind of a kook | 15:49 |
| bazhang | ... | 15:49 |
| nbf | kind of the bin laden of FLOSS | 15:49 |
| bazhang | lets move on pleaes | 15:50 |
| nbf | don't you have better things to do | 15:50 |
| nbf | it's not like this channel is busy with useful chat | 15:50 |
| pepee | ^ | 15:50 |
| bazhang | it's not the chat channel. | 15:50 |
| pepee | anyway, where can I read about the phases of development of ubuntu? | 15:53 |
| bazhang | pepee, this release? | 15:54 |
| pepee | any release | 15:54 |
| bazhang | !schedule | 15:54 |
| ubottu | A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule | 15:54 |
| pepee | about the process itself | 15:54 |
| bazhang | the mailing lists | 15:55 |
| pepee | to know if the features will or will not be backported | 15:55 |
| brohan__ | I did a clean install of 12.10 Beta 1. While using live thumbdrive, all worked well. Afterinstalling all worked well. After an upgrade, when I log in I get no launcher, no sys tray, etc | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | it have application support ? | 16:56 |
| BluesKaj | oops wrong channel | 16:57 |
| brohan | I am here now | 16:59 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 16:59 |
| trism | brohan: do you have -proposed enabled? | 16:59 |
| brohan | Restarting after install from thumbdrive Beta-1 iso | 16:59 |
| brohan | I assume not, I don't know what that is | 17:00 |
| trism | brohan: apt-cache policy compiz; pastebin that | 17:00 |
| brohan | I am now rebooting after install has completed | 17:00 |
| trism | brohan: oh did you just reinstall instead? | 17:01 |
| brohan | FYI I am logging in, has KDE workspace button and a guest button. After upgrading last time it only had my name, no guest no KDE button | 17:02 |
| BluesKaj | trism, he's installing kubuntu | 17:02 |
| brohan | I am doing this so that if I need to come back to this log I can follow what I am doing in case I need to do it again | 17:02 |
| pepee | you should have moved ~/.kde | 17:03 |
| brohan | System is up what do you recommend I do now BluesKay | 17:03 |
| GirlyGirl | I want to completely remove ubuntu-desktop packages on Kubuntu, any ideas? | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | so you're at the login screen , brohan ? | 17:04 |
| bazhang | !purekde | GirlyGirl | 17:04 |
| ubottu | GirlyGirl: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » | 17:04 |
| GirlyGirl | bazhang: That's not for 12.10 | 17:04 |
| brohan | I have logged in, all is well. Blueskaj | 17:04 |
| trism | BluesKaj: thanks, seems like I missed part of the discussion | 17:05 |
| GirlyGirl | bazhang: Some package names change so I would not do that | 17:05 |
| BluesKaj | cool brohan | 17:05 |
| brohan | Now what | 17:05 |
| BluesKaj | open a terminal and run sudo apt-getupdate;sudo apt-get upgrade | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | err, run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | brohan, ^ | 17:06 |
| brohan | I get error messages at first | 17:07 |
| brohan | says can't get InRelease | 17:07 |
| brohan | couldn't resolve us.archive.ubuntu.com | 17:08 |
| BluesKaj | hmm, no internet connection | 17:08 |
| brohan | couldn't get release.gpg couldn't resolve security.ubuntu.com | 17:08 |
| brohan | BUT | 17:08 |
| brohan | it says some index files failed to download, then building ress | 17:08 |
| brohan | tree | 17:08 |
| brohan | yada yada then need to get 240 mb/290 mb of archives | 17:09 |
| brohan | do I wan to continue | 17:09 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 17:09 |
| brohan | Oops | 17:10 |
| brohan | you were right, no internet connection | 17:10 |
| brohan | I connected redid command | 17:10 |
| brohan | all is well as far as no error messages | 17:10 |
| brohan | go ahead and hit Y now? | 17:11 |
| BluesKaj | yes | 17:11 |
| brohan | I don't have to worry about video drivers getting bunged up? | 17:11 |
| pepee | brohan, ati graphics? | 17:12 |
| BluesKaj | well ,there's always a chance , but I'm sure we can solve the problem if it happens | 17:13 |
| brohan | ati radeon x1400 | 17:15 |
| brohan | If this is the same as doing the muon upgrade, this may very well cause an issue | 17:16 |
| BluesKaj | are you seeing any errors , brohan ? | 17:16 |
| brohan | not yet | 17:17 |
| brohan | all looks good | 17:17 |
| brohan | after I hit Y to begin it is GET one line after the other nothing in between | 17:17 |
| BluesKaj | pepee, what's the default driver for un configured ati graphics ,,vesa ? | 17:18 |
| brohan | It says GET then maybe one or 2 HIT, then as it get so GET 20 it is all Get 21 Get 22 etc | 17:18 |
| BluesKaj | brohan, yes that's normal | 17:18 |
| brohan | perfect | 17:18 |
| brohan | It looks like it is doing final processing, and I got a sys not box saying upgrades are avail | 17:19 |
| pepee | I'm not sure BluesKaj | 17:19 |
| pepee | shouldn't it be ati? | 17:19 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , that one's always behind the terminal brohan , muon and apt-get both use the the dpkg management system , muon is just a GUI and apt-get is the terminal app , both do the same thing | 17:20 |
| brohan | makes sense, just figured it was odd that I was upgrading and it tells me there are upgrades, GUI lags? | 17:21 |
| BluesKaj | that's just a slow notifier at work brohan | 17:22 |
| brohan | What is the diff in doing this, vs the way I used gui before that gave me this graphics issue? | 17:22 |
| BluesKaj | hard to know | 17:22 |
| brohan | ok | 17:22 |
| brohan | I am pretty new to this that is why I am asking :-) | 17:23 |
| brohan | Lots of setting up lines now | 17:23 |
| brohan | error grub bios secto 32 in use by FlexNet | 17:24 |
| brohan | installation finished (that part) no errors reported | 17:25 |
| BluesKaj | brohan, once the upgrades are finished in the terminal , look in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers | 17:25 |
| brohan | will do | 17:25 |
| pepee | no, reboot first | 17:25 |
| pepee | and reboot twice | 17:25 |
| brohan | Rebuilding Xapian index | 17:25 |
| brohan | So reboot once, log in then reboot, or reboot to login screen, reboot, then log in and check the menu apps system add drivers? | 17:26 |
| BluesKaj | twice ? | 17:26 |
| brohan | It is done in terminal, Reboot? | 17:27 |
| pepee | I've seen strange things happen, so I reboot twice to be sure | 17:27 |
| brohan | so reboot now? | 17:27 |
| pepee | it takes you a minute, so... | 17:27 |
| BluesKaj | yes , probly a good idea to reboot now | 17:27 |
| brohan | OK | 17:27 |
| brohan | then reboot to login screen and reboot, or login and then reboot? | 17:28 |
| pepee | perphaps it's not needed, but it's a good idea to always reboot after upgrading | 17:28 |
| BluesKaj | pepee, so reboot again from the login after the first reboot ? | 17:28 |
| pepee | brohan, login and reboot | 17:28 |
| brohan | ok | 17:28 |
| BluesKaj | getting to be like a windows install | 17:29 |
| brohan | pepee as an FYI, after upgrading last time, I logged in to nothing, no launcher, systray, no right mouse click etc | 17:29 |
| brohan | Unfortunately I have to go soon, but will be back in about 2 hours | 17:30 |
| pepee | brohan, mv ~/.kde{,_backup} | 17:30 |
| pepee | run that in a console, then reboot | 17:30 |
| BluesKaj | gonna be 3 reboots if there's a recommended driver to install | 17:31 |
| brohan | still waiting on 1st reboot :-( | 17:31 |
| brohan | hdd is running | 17:31 |
| pepee | ok, let it do whatever it's doing | 17:31 |
| pepee | don't run the command | 17:31 |
| brohan | I will let it keep smoking | 17:32 |
| pepee | not until another reboot | 17:32 |
| brohan | that was just shutting down, it is now firing back up, for the 1st time :-) | 17:32 |
| brohan | I am at login screen for the first time, all appears well | 17:33 |
| brohan | getting login icons | 17:33 |
| brohan | (which didn't happen before) | 17:34 |
| brohan | OK, logged in, all is well, asking for wallet password. Reboot now? | 17:34 |
| pepee | yeah, just to be sure | 17:34 |
| brohan | I know what went awry! | 17:34 |
| brohan | I backed up my home dir | 17:35 |
| brohan | then I just restored backup | 17:35 |
| brohan | I now assume that restored old config settings for 12.04? | 17:35 |
| pepee | probably | 17:35 |
| brohan | and that caused issue? | 17:36 |
| brohan | How can I remedy that? | 17:36 |
| brohan | I have to go :-( Can I look you guys up when I get back? | 17:36 |
| pepee | my guess would be that something needs to redo something, and until it's done, all will be a mess | 17:37 |
| pepee | sure brohan | 17:37 |
| brohan | Will look you up later | 17:37 |
| brohan | THANK YOU for all your help | 17:37 |
| BluesKaj | np | 17:37 |
| BluesKaj | brohan, better to have a / and /home partitions rather than solely relying on backup , the conf files in /home are auto reconfigured to new version afaik during the reinstall to / | 17:40 |
| jetsaredim | is there a way to manage the unity lenses | 17:42 |
| trism | jetsaredim: manage in what way? I believe the only way to stop them from loading is to uninstall them | 17:46 |
| jetsaredim | trism: hm - ok - they seems to be continually crashing so it would be nice to disable them | 17:47 |
| jetsaredim | i never use anything other than the program search | 17:47 |
| === philballew_ is now known as philballew | ||
| silverarrow | hi | 18:17 |
| BluesKaj | hi silverarrow | 18:19 |
| silverarrow | I have manage to boot quantal ppc of Ubuntu | 18:20 |
| silverarrow | not yet installed | 18:20 |
| BluesKaj | live cd /usb ? | 18:23 |
| silverarrow | cd | 18:27 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| designbybeck | Uh oh! This isn't good: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-wont-fix-nsfw-content-in-amazon-unity-results | 19:33 |
| designbybeck | I'd hate to have this installed for some of the kids we work with and have NSFW stuff pop up at random searches | 19:33 |
| designbybeck | WHat is your take on this? | 19:33 |
| designbybeck | But I guess it is "removable" | 19:34 |
| jtaylor | it sucks ... | 19:35 |
| jtaylor | edubuntu does not install it by default | 19:36 |
| designbybeck | oh that is good to know! | 19:36 |
| designbybeck | I haven't checked out edubuntu 12.10 yet how is it looking jtaylor | 19:36 |
| jtaylor | I haven't tried it either | 19:36 |
| dmatt | what should be used instead of jockey? | 19:36 |
| dmatt | in Kubuntu | 19:37 |
| jtaylor | but I saw that there was a bug about removing it from edubuntu for obvious reasons | 19:37 |
| Rallias | Is there any word as to if kernel 3.6 is making it into quantal? | 19:37 |
| jtaylor | Rallias: won't happen besides backports | 19:37 |
| designbybeck | i thought i saw it was Rallias | 19:37 |
| designbybeck | ...oh maybe not | 19:37 |
| Rallias | Oh... fun. | 19:37 |
| jtaylor | it was only released today, quantal is due in three weeks | 19:37 |
| jtaylor | far to little time | 19:38 |
| Rallias | Yeah, but kernel freeze is on the 4th | 19:38 |
| Rallias | so I was wondering. | 19:38 |
| silverarrow | will it ever be tested for an update? | 19:38 |
| jtaylor | hm I think if it was planned we would have an rc in quantal already | 19:38 |
| * silverarrow googles rc | 19:38 | |
| Rallias | So there's no ability to use quantal for commercial LXC? | 19:39 |
| jtaylor | rc = release candidate | 19:39 |
| jtaylor | lxc should work with 3.5 too? | 19:40 |
| jtaylor | or is there something specific in 3.6? | 19:40 |
| jtaylor | I have used lxc in precise which has 3.2 | 19:40 |
| Rallias | 3.5 series if you issue shutdown in a container it shuts down the host system. | 19:40 |
| Rallias | That was fixed in 3.6 | 19:40 |
| jtaylor | outch | 19:40 |
| jtaylor | its likely that fix was or will be backported | 19:40 |
| jtaylor | lxc is important for ubuntu | 19:41 |
| trism | Rallias: do you know which commit fixed it? we may have added it to 3.5 | 19:41 |
| Rallias | trism I'm not sure, I just know it was targeted for 3.6 | 19:41 |
| Rallias | I tested it in a self-compiled kernel, but I would much rather use a stock kernel in a high liability environment. | 19:42 |
| Rallias | Is there a PPA for me to use to get the 3.6.x kernels? | 19:44 |
| jtaylor | Rallias: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds | 19:46 |
| jtaylor | but they are for testing purposes, not really supported | 19:47 |
| silverarrow | is there a clever way to get the b43 quantal package on a usb stick? | 19:47 |
| jtaylor | silverarrow: cp /var/cache/apt/archive/...*deb /media/...? | 19:48 |
| silverarrow | hmm, ? | 19:48 |
| jtaylor | what do you mean? | 19:48 |
| silverarrow | well, I usualy have to get wired and do updates and what not to get the b43 stuff | 19:49 |
| jtaylor | so for the live usb? | 19:49 |
| silverarrow | and I have only wireless right now | 19:49 |
| silverarrow | well, I have live cd which boots now, but the b43 drivers | 19:50 |
| jtaylor | you can allocate persistent storage on an use and put it there | 19:51 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: the first question is if jockey-kde is going to be functional or not | 19:52 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, I haven't heard that | 19:53 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: if yes and only after final release, i am kind of ok with that even though there is not time to test anything | 19:53 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: if no, I am pretty much interested in testing the alternative which is going to be official way to install fglrx | 19:54 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: citing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 : | 19:55 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, the fglrx driver seems to work on some radeons and not others , I don't know what the answer is except to try everything possible including the ati/radeon proprietary | 19:55 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: Jockey has been deprecated in favor of a "Drivers" component in software-properties. | 19:56 |
| BluesKaj | do thexedgers crew have any drivers available , I haven't checked | 19:57 |
| s9iper1 | does empathy support to get the previous convrsation history from facebook ?? | 19:57 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, so you don't have an additional drivers option in the kmenu? | 19:58 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: yes but this was update from 12.04 | 19:59 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: maybe even fglrx in repositories would work for me (it used to without problems), jockey just does not suggest anything | 20:00 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: and when i found in release notes that jockey is deprecated, I want to know if there is other official way | 20:00 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, I did a clean install to / , maybe the additional drivers component was saved in the conf files | 20:00 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: you don't have it in 12.10? | 20:01 |
| BluesKaj | I have addtitonal drivers option , dmatt , but it's nvidia , not ati | 20:02 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: I am trying to determine what "Jockey has been deprecated in favor of a "Drivers" component in software-properties." from beta2 release notes really means | 20:02 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , good question | 20:03 |
| dmatt | dmatt: maybe the upgrade was b0rked, I had to use cli jockey to deaactivate fglrx to get to GUI | 20:04 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: ^ | 20:05 |
| * BluesKaj nods | 20:06 | |
| * MrChrisDruif waves at BluesKaj | 20:08 | |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, for what it's worth . the drivers listed in jockey are different ,( so probly upgraded options) , now than the last time I checked , so jockey might be retained for nvidia equipped pcs | 20:09 |
| * BluesKaj waves back at MrChrisDruif | 20:09 | |
| MrChrisDruif | =D | 20:09 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, altho I'm not using any of the optional drivers listed in jockey | 20:11 |
| glebihan | dmatt, BluesKaj : jockey is going away completely, replaced by an additional tab in software-properties | 20:13 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: thatnk, i try clean test install and check jockey there | 20:13 |
| glebihan | see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1021733 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings#drivers | 20:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1021733 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Complete the Additional Drivers implementation" [Medium,Fix released] | 20:13 |
| dmatt | glebihan: and what will replace it in Kubuntu? | 20:14 |
| glebihan | dmatt, I'm not sure what's been decided for kubuntu | 20:14 |
| BluesKaj | where is the software properties equivalent on kde , glebihan? | 20:19 |
| glebihan | BluesKaj, I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've last used KDE | 20:20 |
| BluesKaj | probly the software center , which i don't use | 20:21 |
| BluesKaj | or have installed | 20:21 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: no it is not in software center, it only leads back to jockey | 20:26 |
| silverarrow | Vista got a bit better after the sp packages | 20:32 |
| silverarrow | boots in about a week | 20:32 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, found it in /usr/share/software properties, but thereisn't anything there about graphics drivers | 20:35 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: don't know if this is really related | 20:48 |
| wilee-nilee | silverarrow, A OEM vista? | 20:49 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, yeah it was just a guess using locate in the terminal | 20:49 |
| silverarrow | a what? | 20:50 |
| wilee-nilee | silverarrow, Factory install not a straight install from a disc original equipment manufacture (OEM) | 20:52 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: jockey (0.9.7-0ubuntu11) quantal; urgency=low | 20:53 |
| dmatt | * debian/control: Turn jockey-gtk into a transitional package for | 20:53 |
| dmatt | software-properties-gtk, to avoid showing two icons in control-center | 20:53 |
| dmatt | after upgrading. | 20:53 |
| dmatt | -- Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com> Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:45:56 +0200 | 20:53 |
| silverarrow | yes factory installed | 20:54 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: seems to me that jockey-kde should work | 20:56 |
| BluesKaj | software-properties-kde maybe | 20:57 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: i'll make that clean install and check jockey there | 20:57 |
| wilee-nilee | silverarrow, Ah worst install type, lots of extra stuff not needed that make it run slower in general, vista has a bad rap I only tried it for a couple of weeks with a reinstall on a used computer I bought ran pretty good, but I suspect overtime there may have been problems, hard to say. | 20:57 |
| BluesKaj | jockey works here , both in additional drivers and the krunner | 20:58 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt,^ | 20:58 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: ok, sofware-properties-kde is for repositories setting | 20:58 |
| dmatt | BluesKaj: thank you for help | 21:00 |
| silverarrow | it takes a long time to boot and for wireless to be up and running, otherwise there are not any trouble | 21:01 |
| silverarrow | it has been stable and reliable for years | 21:01 |
| silverarrow | these days when ultrabooks boots in 20 seconds, this one is ridiculous | 21:01 |
| BluesKaj | dmatt, dunno how much help I was , but it was a learning experience for me :) | 21:02 |
| BluesKaj | ok , time to go ..stuff to do | 21:06 |
| brohan | Hey BluesKaj, I am back, sorry it took longer than expected | 21:14 |
| brohan | BluesKaj as a reminder I just did a new install, upgraded, my video works great. I need to now restore my backup (I assume minus the old config files) | 21:14 |
| brohan | and you are gone :-( | 21:15 |
| brohan | you here Pepee? | 21:16 |
| brohan | Can anyone help with doing a clean install of 12.10 and then restoring a 12.04 backup without messing up my video (which works just fine in 12.10) | 21:19 |
| pepee | brohan, why not just simply copy the files? | 21:23 |
| pepee | hmm you'll need to change permissions after that | 21:24 |
| brohan | I did the backup with deja dup | 21:24 |
| brohan | I am not sure how to restore other than using it to restore all | 21:24 |
| brohan | (although in the future by backup drive is big enough to just copy, not compress) | 21:25 |
| brohan | Before I had left pepee you had suggested after rebooting mv ~/.kde {,_backup} | 21:25 |
| brohan | still do that? | 21:26 |
| silverarrow | are you in quantal now? | 21:26 |
| pepee | no, if it's working , leave it there brohan | 21:26 |
| pepee | also, be careful when copying commands | 21:26 |
| silverarrow | when you boot quantal is the side taskbar there? | 21:26 |
| brohan | ok. What happens when I restore my backup which was made in 12.04 and made of my entire home directory? | 21:26 |
| pepee | brohan, does your system has the same username as the previous one? | 21:27 |
| brohan | I am using kubuntu, and was recommeded, and had the conversation in this chat, so it is a bit off topic | 21:27 |
| brohan | pepp yes it does | 21:27 |
| pepee | *have | 21:27 |
| brohan | It didn't, BUT then last night I redid everything so it did, which I should have left my mistake alone | 21:28 |
| brohan | So right now my username is the same\ | 21:28 |
| brohan | create a new user, restore backup to that user, then copy what I need? | 21:29 |
| pepee | same IDs too? | 21:29 |
| pepee | try copying the files directly and see what happens, but make sure to not touch your backup | 21:29 |
| brohan | what do you mean by ID's, the computer name? | 21:29 |
| pepee | user ID | 21:30 |
| brohan | How do I copy the files directly? They were backed up with Deja Dup, as some kind of compressed one I think. Right now my username is the same as it was before yes | 21:30 |
| pepee | brohan, sadly, I've never used deja dup | 21:30 |
| brohan | I believe that I can actually restore it to a different directory | 21:31 |
| brohan | I will give that a go? | 21:31 |
| pepee | do you want to recover the whole /home? | 21:31 |
| pepee | including configs, etc? | 21:32 |
| brohan | NO, just data files from what I would imagine since I did a whole fresh install with HDD formatting | 21:32 |
| brohan | no need for any configs | 21:32 |
| brohan | any software configs I can redo | 21:32 |
| brohan | they were just eyecandy | 21:32 |
| brohan | luckily my browser bookwarks are in the cloud | 21:33 |
| pepee | it's a backup of /home? | 21:33 |
| brohan | yes | 21:33 |
| brohan | and just /home | 21:33 |
| brohan | well /bjrohan | 21:33 |
| brohan | home/bjrohan | 21:33 |
| pepee | well, I'd just try it | 21:34 |
| brohan | try to restore it to the same directory | 21:34 |
| pepee | if something goes wrong, redo all the process | 21:34 |
| brohan | do you think the kde config will mess up my display again? | 21:34 |
| brohan | that will take hours | 21:34 |
| brohan | but if you are over 50% sure I can restore backup fine I will give it a go | 21:35 |
| brohan | If I may, what did we do this time that kept my display issues from happening than I did on my own? | 21:37 |
| brohan | I am just asking so I can learn, to fish vs being fed once :-) | 21:41 |
| zzillezz | i'm getting a black screen after a successful install of ubuntu gnome remix 12.10 beta :( | 21:42 |
| pepee | zzillezz, do you know how to use the grub manager at boot? | 21:43 |
| pepee | brohan, if it does, you can always fix it | 21:44 |
| brohan | true | 21:45 |
| brohan | Now in KDE I can't find the standard Muon Package manager | 21:45 |
| zzillezz | pepee, what's there to do besides selecting Ubuntu ? | 21:46 |
| pepee | brohan, its called apper I think, but I'm not sure | 21:46 |
| pepee | zzillezz, in grub, press e and remove "quiet splash", then press ctrl+x | 21:48 |
| zzillezz | pepee, it stops again at Booting Node 0, Processors #1 | 21:51 |
| pepee | does it show some error message or somthing? | 21:51 |
| pepee | *something | 21:51 |
| zzillezz | nope :( | 21:52 |
| pepee | zzillezz, what cpu? | 21:53 |
| pepee | zzillezz, a workaround: http://askubuntu.com/questions/100721/ubuntu-11-10-64-bit-wont-start-after-i-upgrade-it-possible-procesor-problems | 21:53 |
| zzillezz | alright, i'll have a read thanks pepee | 21:55 |
| pepee | zzillezz, what cpu? | 21:55 |
| zzillezz | i was running xubuntu 12.10 without problems ... core i3 | 21:55 |
| brohan | pepee, do you recommend I restore then install my software (gimp, scribus) or install then restore? | 21:55 |
| pepee | zzillezz, just add "maxcpus=1" to that line, and file a bug report. | 21:56 |
| pepee | brohan, not sure, sorry | 21:56 |
| pepee | but I'd restore and install | 21:56 |
| zzillezz | the line in grub where i deleted quiet splash ? | 21:57 |
| pepee | yes zzillezz | 21:57 |
| brohan | ok | 21:57 |
| pepee | brohan, that if it's the configs in /home | 21:57 |
| brohan | they are | 21:57 |
| brohan | Thanks :-) | 21:57 |
| pepee | zzillezz, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1706348 | 21:59 |
| pepee | zzillezz, ^it says the solution is to upgrade your BIOS | 21:59 |
| zzillezz | no bios updates available i'm afraid ... | 22:00 |
| pepee | read that thread, could be helpful | 22:00 |
| zzillezz | can i change the keyboard layout of grub ? | 22:00 |
| zzillezz | can't find the = since i'm not using qwerty | 22:00 |
| pepee | not sure zzillezz, never did that | 22:02 |
| zzillezz | found it :) | 22:03 |
| zzillezz | it's booting now ... let's see if it's working on all cores | 22:04 |
| brohan | pepee, IT WORKED did the restore, rebooted all is well | 23:05 |
| brohan | now time to install the apps | 23:05 |
| pepee | cool brohan | 23:06 |
| brohan | And . . it looks like it brought over some of my old config settings | 23:06 |
| brohan | although need to update 3rd party dock etc. Thank you so much for your help. | 23:07 |
| pepee | you are welcome | 23:07 |
| brohan | Now to add old preferred software etc. | 23:09 |
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