[08:29] <lapion> so anyone try to install ubuntu-gnome over regular ubuntu
[08:32] <smartboyhw> lapion, oh what ppa?
[08:33] <lapion> no just install regular quantal b1, then install quantal-gnome b1 without formatting the fses
[08:34]  * smartboyhw thinks it is b2 now:P
[08:34] <lapion> I meant b2
[08:35] <smartboyhw> Ah OK
[08:35] <lapion> brb
[08:53] <lapion> hello smartboyhw..
[08:53] <smartboyhw> Hello lapion
[08:54] <vibhav> Hullo
[08:54] <darkxst> lapion, just install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[08:54] <smartboyhw> Hello vibhav too
[08:54] <lapion> the first time I got the gdm, but after logging in the X server got killed
[08:54] <darkxst> do you have logs?
[08:55] <lapion> after restart not oven gdm will start up..
[08:56] <lapion> only the mouse cursor for the xserver starts..
[08:56] <darkxst> are you doing service gdm restart?
[08:56] <lapion> I can create logs at each startup..
[08:56] <lapion> yes darkxst
[08:56] <darkxst> that is a known problem
[08:57] <darkxst> if you do stop, then wait a sec and do start it will work
[08:57] <lapion> als trying gdm sto, gdm start..
[08:57] <lapion> I mean stop gdm , start gdm
[09:00] <darkxst> which works? yes?
[09:01]  * smartboyhw decides not to install it for now:P
[09:02] <darkxst> smartboyhw, how we going to fix it, if no one tests it!
[09:03] <smartboyhw> darkxst, well fix it then I'll test it:P
[09:03] <lapion> darkxst after the first gdm bailout, will not start up again
[09:04] <darkxst> lapion, enable gdm debugging (/etc/gdm/custom.conf)
[09:05] <darkxst> then file a bug with ubuntu-bug gdm after it crashes
[09:05] <darkxst> hopefully that will also attach the gdm logs, but if not they are in /var/log/gdm/$DISPLAY.log
[10:00] <vsrao> After an update, the X server has problems starting. I can login through the CLI mode, but if I switch back, it freezes. Is this a known issue? Also, colord faults a lot.
[13:42] <smartboyhw> welcome jbicha
[13:42] <jbicha> hi
[14:11] <lapion> To all developers, thank you very much for returning the old tried and true unity killer gnome 2 look.
[14:13] <lapion> my next upgrade will be to ubuntu-gnome I was allready thinking about going back to the 'ol trusty slackware what with the 14.0 release...
[14:13] <lapion> most probably
[14:20] <jbicha> I don't think many are aware that the Ubuntu GNOME Remix includes GNOME Classic so tell your friends
[14:20] <jbicha> Edubuntu includes it also
[14:21] <jbicha> I don't know if we'll always include it though; that depends on demand I guess
[14:25] <lapion> maybe the big problem is that people who tended to use the menu where mostly people that tended to not allow usage feedback due to security concerns I guess...
[14:27] <jbicha> hmm?
[14:29] <lapion> I prefer the menu because it frees the creative part of the mind to do the actual working.
[14:31] <lapion> and since image recognition requires more processing time then letter recognition I would prefer using less mind computing time on medial tasks such as remembering what that applications icon looks like again.
[14:36] <jbicha> I need to see how much space GNOME Classic takes on the image, if it's only a few MB then we probably should continue to include it
[14:40] <lapion> I do however miss the separation of System menu and application menu but that is not a ball-breaker
[14:43] <lapion> I however just found a nice bug, I cannot seem to get the gdm login anymore after a login with the last available desktop variant in the login list.
[14:43] <lapion> not even changing password and a logout helps.
[14:54] <lapion> nvm I found the autologin disable setting, however, if someone where to logout once or twice I think the system should go to gdm-password screen.
[14:57] <lapion> I do however think there is a rather annoying security problem in the password changing dialog.
[14:58] <lapion> as soon as you leave the old password field the system already checks the password. Which opens a window to semi-brute-force password hacking.
[14:59] <lapion> hacking=cracking
[15:00] <jbicha> lapion: oh, bug 1052453 should be fixed now
[15:00] <jbicha> but... that's only if you were using lightdm, not gdm
[15:01] <lapion> gdm is the default for ubuntu-gnome
[15:01] <jbicha> ok, never mind that then
[15:01] <lapion> but that problem is supposed to be solved simply by disabling auto-login
[15:01] <jbicha> if someone has physical access to your machine then they have access to everything on your machine
[15:02] <lapion> if autologin is set the system does not allow logging out
[15:02] <jbicha> yeah, autologin isn't working quite right
[15:14] <lapion> You have to disable and reenable autologin before you can logout
[15:22] <lapion> how can I modify/add the panels, add/move applets etc etc?