| hads | Who uses what for server monitoring? | 02:53 |
|---|---|---|
| chilts | hads: I use https://nodeping.com/ | 08:38 |
| chilts | is that what you want, or are you talking about stuff _on_ the server? | 08:38 |
| hads | chilts: Cheers, yeah was talking about on the server. Nagios and that type of thing. | 08:58 |
| hads | Just updated a server 10.04 to 12.04. Dovecot configuration appears to have changed a lot. It broke quite well. | 08:59 |
| hads | Luckily this was a server with only a couple users, I thought I'd use it as a test run. | 08:59 |
| hads | I think that's the third time I can remember dovecot configuration being broken by a package upgrade. Once it got clobbered completely from memory. | 09:00 |
| Atamira | morning | 19:23 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 19:36 |
| ojwb | morning | 20:19 |
| hads | morning | 20:38 |
| hads | Five servers upgraded to 10.04 to 12.04 so far. Five to go. | 20:39 |
| hads | Oops. One ran out of space half way through. Seem to have recovered it okay. | 21:18 |
| chilts | morning | 22:06 |
| chilts | hads: yeah, saw your tweet about the DoveCot breakage | 22:06 |
| hads | I think it was mostly the config split up and re-organisation which caused that. | 22:25 |
| hads | The existing config wasn't nicely transferred. | 22:25 |
| hads | The next four to upgrade have more users and are more sensitve to downtime so I'll do those later. | 22:26 |
| ojwb | hmm, did the pre-upgrade space check not catch the lack of space? | 22:27 |
| ibeardslee | my server 10.04-12.04 upgrade will probably be a new install onto a new machine | 22:27 |
| ibeardslee | taking it to 64-bit | 22:28 |
| * ajmitch should upgrade his linode vps to 12.04 one day, it uses dovecot as well | 22:28 | |
| hads | ajmitch: For reference, dovecot-common and /etc/dovecot/auth.d/ appear to be no longer used. | 22:29 |
| ajmitch | good to know :) | 22:29 |
| hads | Configs are split up and splattered into /etc/dovecot/conf.d/ | 22:30 |
| hads | 22 files. | 22:30 |
| ajmitch | about as good as a split exim config | 22:30 |
| hads | My old config without comments is 44 lines, so twice as many lines as there is now files :) | 22:31 |
| ajmitch | slight overkill? :) | 22:32 |
| mwhudson | so wheedle, eg | 22:35 |
| mwhudson | *eh | 22:35 |
| ibeardslee | I think wheedle is just a distraction by John Key | 22:36 |
| ajmitch | most of what I've read on it so far has been about the security problems & general site brokenness | 22:36 |
| ajmitch | not a great start :) | 22:36 |
| mwhudson | yeah | 22:36 |
| mwhudson | my entire opinion is formed from snarky tweets i think | 22:36 |
| ibeardslee | heh | 22:36 |
| ajmitch | mine's also informed by 2 minutes of trying to browse the site & getting 404s clicking on auction categories | 22:37 |
| mwhudson | https://twitter.com/TradeMe/status/252895259862892544 is amusing | 22:38 |
| ajmitch | haha | 22:38 |
| * ajmitch wonders if he should use persona for a new site | 22:40 | |
| * ibeardslee likes the idea of having a reduced set of personas .. but buggered if he'll use facebook, or twitter or even google+ for that | 23:01 | |
| chilts | ibeardslee: in which case, you'll like Persona from Mozilla ... they're all for the Free Web after all | 23:04 |
| chilts | so yeah, unlike using FB, Twitter, Google, Yahoo!, LinkedIn etc | 23:05 |
| chilts | they also have your privacy and security in mind | 23:05 |
| chilts | I think it's worth a look | 23:05 |
| ibeardslee | chilts: will probably go that way as more things support it | 23:07 |
| hads | I was going to use persona on a new app yesterday but discovered it doesn't currently work with third party cookies disabled :( | 23:07 |
| ibeardslee | but there are still multiple personas for myself .. FOSS, hitting, shooting, buying/selling etc | 23:08 |
| hads | persona lets you have multiple personas :) | 23:08 |
| chilts | ibeardslee: true, sometimes I feel we each need different personas | 23:08 |
| chilts | e.g. in GitHub, I'm different in different organisations | 23:09 |
| ibeardslee | I wonder if firefox would put an override for the 3rd party cookies just for Persona | 23:09 |
| chilts | but I don't want lots of different logins, since I'm still me | 23:09 |
| chilts | I haven't figured out what I really want yet :D | 23:09 |
| hads | They apparantly are working on fixing the third party cookie thing. | 23:09 |
| hads | It's due to useing an iframe for communication. | 23:10 |
| ibeardslee | I find it cycles a bit .. sometimes I start separating out again, and then I consolidate etc etc | 23:10 |
| mwhudson | i'm way too lazy to separate | 23:11 |
| * ibeardslee is vaguly wary that my running around and shooting people could cause problems when I get ranty about politics. | 23:13 | |
| ojwb | or maybe it'll help | 23:14 |
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