[02:53] Who uses what for server monitoring? [08:38] hads: I use https://nodeping.com/ [08:38] is that what you want, or are you talking about stuff _on_ the server? [08:58] chilts: Cheers, yeah was talking about on the server. Nagios and that type of thing. [08:59] Just updated a server 10.04 to 12.04. Dovecot configuration appears to have changed a lot. It broke quite well. [08:59] Luckily this was a server with only a couple users, I thought I'd use it as a test run. [09:00] I think that's the third time I can remember dovecot configuration being broken by a package upgrade. Once it got clobbered completely from memory. [19:23] morning [19:36] morning [20:19] morning [20:38] morning [20:39] Five servers upgraded to 10.04 to 12.04 so far. Five to go. [21:18] Oops. One ran out of space half way through. Seem to have recovered it okay. [22:06] morning [22:06] hads: yeah, saw your tweet about the DoveCot breakage [22:25] I think it was mostly the config split up and re-organisation which caused that. [22:25] The existing config wasn't nicely transferred. [22:26] The next four to upgrade have more users and are more sensitve to downtime so I'll do those later. [22:27] hmm, did the pre-upgrade space check not catch the lack of space? [22:27] my server 10.04-12.04 upgrade will probably be a new install onto a new machine [22:28] taking it to 64-bit [22:28] * ajmitch should upgrade his linode vps to 12.04 one day, it uses dovecot as well [22:29] ajmitch: For reference, dovecot-common and /etc/dovecot/auth.d/ appear to be no longer used. [22:29] good to know :) [22:30] Configs are split up and splattered into /etc/dovecot/conf.d/ [22:30] 22 files. [22:30] about as good as a split exim config [22:31] My old config without comments is 44 lines, so twice as many lines as there is now files :) [22:32] slight overkill? :) [22:35] so wheedle, eg [22:35] *eh [22:36] I think wheedle is just a distraction by John Key [22:36] most of what I've read on it so far has been about the security problems & general site brokenness [22:36] not a great start :) [22:36] yeah [22:36] my entire opinion is formed from snarky tweets i think [22:36] heh [22:37] mine's also informed by 2 minutes of trying to browse the site & getting 404s clicking on auction categories [22:38] https://twitter.com/TradeMe/status/252895259862892544 is amusing [22:38] haha [22:40] * ajmitch wonders if he should use persona for a new site [23:01] * ibeardslee likes the idea of having a reduced set of personas .. but buggered if he'll use facebook, or twitter or even google+ for that [23:04] ibeardslee: in which case, you'll like Persona from Mozilla ... they're all for the Free Web after all [23:05] so yeah, unlike using FB, Twitter, Google, Yahoo!, LinkedIn etc [23:05] they also have your privacy and security in mind [23:05] I think it's worth a look [23:07] chilts: will probably go that way as more things support it [23:07] I was going to use persona on a new app yesterday but discovered it doesn't currently work with third party cookies disabled :( [23:08] but there are still multiple personas for myself .. FOSS, hitting, shooting, buying/selling etc [23:08] persona lets you have multiple personas :) [23:08] ibeardslee: true, sometimes I feel we each need different personas [23:09] e.g. in GitHub, I'm different in different organisations [23:09] I wonder if firefox would put an override for the 3rd party cookies just for Persona [23:09] but I don't want lots of different logins, since I'm still me [23:09] I haven't figured out what I really want yet :D [23:09] They apparantly are working on fixing the third party cookie thing. [23:10] It's due to useing an iframe for communication. [23:10] I find it cycles a bit .. sometimes I start separating out again, and then I consolidate etc etc [23:11] i'm way too lazy to separate [23:13] * ibeardslee is vaguly wary that my running around and shooting people could cause problems when I get ranty about politics. [23:14] or maybe it'll help