[02:53] <hads> Who uses what for server monitoring?
[08:38] <chilts> hads: I use https://nodeping.com/
[08:38] <chilts> is that what you want, or are you talking about stuff _on_ the server?
[08:58] <hads> chilts: Cheers, yeah was talking about on the server. Nagios and that type of thing.
[08:59] <hads> Just updated a server 10.04 to 12.04. Dovecot configuration appears to have changed a lot. It broke quite well.
[08:59] <hads> Luckily this was a server with only a couple users, I thought I'd use it as a test run.
[09:00] <hads> I think that's the third time I can remember dovecot configuration being broken by a package upgrade. Once it got clobbered completely from memory.
[19:23] <Atamira> morning
[19:36] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:19] <ojwb> morning
[20:38] <hads> morning
[20:39] <hads> Five servers upgraded to 10.04 to 12.04 so far. Five to go.
[21:18] <hads> Oops. One ran out of space half way through. Seem to have recovered it okay.
[22:06] <chilts> morning
[22:06] <chilts> hads: yeah, saw your tweet about the DoveCot breakage
[22:25] <hads> I think it was mostly the config split up and re-organisation which caused that.
[22:25] <hads> The existing config wasn't nicely transferred.
[22:26] <hads> The next four to upgrade have more users and are more sensitve to downtime so I'll do those later.
[22:27] <ojwb> hmm, did the pre-upgrade space check not catch the lack of space?
[22:27] <ibeardslee> my server 10.04-12.04 upgrade will probably be a new install onto a new machine
[22:28] <ibeardslee> taking it to 64-bit
[22:28]  * ajmitch should upgrade his linode vps to 12.04 one day, it uses dovecot as well
[22:29] <hads> ajmitch: For reference, dovecot-common and /etc/dovecot/auth.d/ appear to be no longer used.
[22:29] <ajmitch> good to know :)
[22:30] <hads> Configs are split up and splattered into /etc/dovecot/conf.d/
[22:30] <hads> 22 files.
[22:30] <ajmitch> about as good as a split exim config
[22:31] <hads> My old config without comments is 44 lines, so twice as many lines as there is now files :)
[22:32] <ajmitch> slight overkill? :)
[22:35] <mwhudson> so wheedle, eg
[22:35] <mwhudson> *eh
[22:36] <ibeardslee> I think wheedle is just a distraction by John Key
[22:36] <ajmitch> most of what I've read on it so far has been about the security problems & general site brokenness
[22:36] <ajmitch> not a great start :)
[22:36] <mwhudson> yeah
[22:36] <mwhudson> my entire opinion is formed from snarky tweets i think
[22:36] <ibeardslee> heh
[22:37] <ajmitch> mine's also informed by 2 minutes of trying to browse the site & getting 404s clicking on auction categories
[22:38] <mwhudson> https://twitter.com/TradeMe/status/252895259862892544 is amusing
[22:38] <ajmitch> haha
[22:40]  * ajmitch wonders if he should use persona for a new site
[23:01]  * ibeardslee likes the idea of having a reduced set of personas .. but buggered if he'll use facebook, or twitter or even google+ for that
[23:04] <chilts> ibeardslee: in which case, you'll like Persona from Mozilla ... they're all for the Free Web after all
[23:05] <chilts> so yeah, unlike using FB, Twitter, Google, Yahoo!, LinkedIn etc
[23:05] <chilts> they also have your privacy and security in mind
[23:05] <chilts> I think it's worth a look
[23:07] <ibeardslee> chilts: will probably go that way as more things support it
[23:07] <hads> I was going to use persona on a new app yesterday but discovered it doesn't currently work with third party cookies disabled :(
[23:08] <ibeardslee> but there are still multiple personas for myself .. FOSS, hitting, shooting, buying/selling etc
[23:08] <hads> persona lets you have multiple personas :)
[23:08] <chilts> ibeardslee: true, sometimes I feel we each need different personas
[23:09] <chilts> e.g. in GitHub, I'm different in different organisations
[23:09] <ibeardslee> I wonder if firefox would put an override for the 3rd party cookies just for Persona
[23:09] <chilts> but I don't want lots of different logins, since I'm still me
[23:09] <chilts> I haven't figured out what I really want yet :D
[23:09] <hads> They apparantly are working on fixing the third party cookie thing.
[23:10] <hads> It's due to useing an iframe for communication.
[23:10] <ibeardslee> I find it cycles a bit .. sometimes I start separating out again, and then I consolidate etc etc
[23:11] <mwhudson> i'm way too lazy to separate
[23:13]  * ibeardslee is vaguly wary that my running around and shooting people could cause problems when I get ranty about politics.
[23:14] <ojwb> or maybe it'll help