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davmor2hey all07:08
christelmorning davmor2 :)07:09
davmor2christel: how's life down sowff07:10
christelbit too busy but otherwise good :)07:10
davmor2christel: is it not always a  bit too busy though is that not the way of the life of a geek?07:11
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czajkowskidavmor2: you're on early07:36
christeldavmor2: i dunno, i'm not a geek ;)07:40
czajkowskihah07:44
czajkowskichristel: you're funny07:45
christel:P07:45
* christel snuggles czajkowski 07:45
christel1307:48
Darael12?07:49
christel;)07:49
czajkowskipopey: best channel to ask about webapps stuff ?08:05
christelczajkowski: when do you head to ireland?08:10
czajkowskithursday08:11
christelaha!08:11
diploMorning all08:22
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JamesTaitHappy Monday, all! :-D08:29
christelheya diplo, JamesTait \o/08:34
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AlanBellczajkowski: there is an #ubuntu-webapps channel but it is fairly quiet08:35
czajkowskicheers08:36
diploAny hackers here ever know anyone who has replaced a iPad2 glass front screen ?08:36
popeyifixit08:43
mungojerrydiplo, about to replace my touchpad front screen08:44
davmor2czajkowski: i was on the train to pyconuk for the last time08:46
* JamesTait hugs christel.08:47
davmor2christel: you are So A Geek you little liar08:47
diploWatching a few videos, not for me but a friend.. not sure I want to do it now watching these vids08:47
AlanBellgood phrase to take out of context08:48
diplo:D08:49
popeyyeah, I wouldn't do it08:49
popeywill apple do it for your friend?08:49
diploI'd be fine replacing the glass on my own device, but I'm not sure someone elses08:49
diplo£20008:49
diplo200 pound08:49
popeyhow much is the part alone?08:50
diploJust the glass broke, on ebay 15 pound + postage08:50
popeyworth a punt then :)_08:50
diplohttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Black-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-for-iPad-2-3g-Wifi-Both-Tools-/330802462383?pt=UK_iPad_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item4d055cfeaf#ht_2735wt_109008:50
diploThat's what I thought, loads of videos as well08:50
popeyi really want to change the disk in my imac but the thought of doing it makes me go "ugh!"08:50
diploexplaining where to be careful etc08:50
popeyneed suction cups to remove the screen08:50
diploooh, rather you than me!08:51
popeyyeah08:52
popeyreverted it back from ubuntu to OSX at the weekend08:53
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:56
diploGoing to get some suction cups and give it a go then popey ?08:57
popeymaybe08:57
popeyI might when I upgrade my laptop to 550GB SSD, and put the 240GB SSD from the laptop in the iMac08:57
diploI've got to start saving for a ssd08:59
popeyhttp://www.geek.com/articles/apple/owc-offers-up-imac-ssd-upgrade-kit-suction-cups-included-20120417/09:09
popeyooh!09:09
shaunopopey: I had a video somewhere of a chap who did that quite successfully with a toilet plunger ;)09:09
popeyhaha shauno09:46
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NET||abuseyay,, micro server just arrived11:03
NET||abusefilled out the rebate form, nice!. popey thanks for pointing me at that11:03
NET||abuselooking forward to a chance to start installing it and stuff now11:04
NET||abuseneed to run spinright on all my drives11:05
NET||abusehave the 2 1TB and a 250GB in the drawer, so will manage to fill up the slots on the microserver quickly.11:05
BigRedSAnyone here use guake?11:11
BigRedSI'd like bug 1058073 to get enough attention that someone fixes it :)11:12
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 1058073 in guake (Ubuntu) "The currently active tab looks very much like all the inactive ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105807311:12
NET||abuseBigRedS: i've not used it in a while.11:12
NET||abuseBigRedS: is it much better than it used to be (say 2 years"11:12
NET||abuseor is it much the same in gnome 3 as it was in gnome 211:13
BigRedSNo idea, I didn't use it in Gnome 2 :)11:13
NET||abusehmm, ok11:13
BigRedSI went through a phase of thinking about how I did things and what software I was using when I was trying out different DEs at the end of Gnome 2's life11:13
BigRedSseems largely workable to me, what was wrong with it before?11:14
NET||abuseI like unity and gnome3,11:14
NET||abusethe quick find pattern i us alot now11:14
NET||abuseuse11:14
BigRedSyeah, I just want all the best bits of both to find their way into the same DE11:14
NET||abusejust super key, type some letters, hit enter and ussually running what i want straight away11:14
NET||abusepart of me wants xfce or something11:15
NET||abusei do begrudge the overhead11:16
BigRedSmm, I really like the gnome-shell/empathy tie-in with that pop-up at the bottom of the screen that I can type into11:16
NET||abusebut i love the compositing desktop11:16
BigRedSbut then I dislike empathy's general rubbishness...11:16
NET||abuseempathy needs to be left in the dust or re-invented11:16
NET||abuseThough i can't really comment on the latest and greatest. i'm on F16 right now for work11:17
NET||abuseI should totally upgrade to F17, or else just ditch Fedora and go back to Ubuntu11:18
BigRedSOh man, I tried fedora a bit for a while11:18
BigRedSIt was really neat for about six hours and then just kept annoying me11:18
NET||abuseMTA driver doesn't work right so i'm stuck using Airdroid to move stuff to and from my phone and nexus 711:18
NET||abuseyeh, i like their effort to use the base gnome shell as the desktop11:18
NET||abusei think there needs to be gnome-shell and unity as substitute options11:19
BigRedSmy distro-hopping's basically limited to Debian and Ubuntu now. Nothing else is close enough to debian to not irritate me...11:19
BigRedSfor FC?11:19
NET||abuseeverywhere11:19
BigRedShaha11:19
BigRedSwell, everything does gnome-shell, just gotta get porting unity!11:19
NET||abuseand gnome 2, xfce and E17 :P11:19
NET||abusefvwm, enlightenment,lxde, flux box11:20
NET||abuseall of em on the login session selector11:20
NET||abusei'd love it if kde 4 would become good and widely supported again11:21
NET||abusefeel like it's loosing out a bit to the gnome 2/3 unity draw11:21
BigRedSlosing out? I think KDE stopped being relevant shortly after KDE411:27
NET||abuseyes, unfortunately11:27
popeyI once tried to switch to KDE for a whole cycle. It annoyed me so much I switched back after about 6 weeks11:29
NET||abusei've done this also11:29
NET||abusepopey: the microserver, it arrived, i'm so excited to get cnfiguring, have you any pointers on the setup?11:30
popeyI have 8GB RAM in mine, and put a boot disk in the optical bay11:30
popeyso i have the other 4 bays available for big disks11:31
popeyand added a pci express esata card11:31
NET||abuseI've got 2x250GB drvies and 2x1TB drives which will fill up the available slots for now, and i've a 2.5" 160GB drive which i could put in as OS disk11:31
Laneybiggus diskus11:31
NET||abuse:P11:31
NET||abuseis there any bios jiggery pokery i should look at?11:31
Laneythere's a grandparents' day?11:32
* Laney eyes amazon suspiciously11:32
NET||abusealot of google results are going on about upping speed settings for the sata interfaces and changing to AHCI mode on the sata4/5 ports to allow them to be ssd's and the optical to be bootable11:32
popeyi haven't done any of that11:32
popeyspeed on sata interfaces would be handy11:32
NET||abusehm, so myabe i don't need to11:32
popeywell, mine is IO bound a lot of the time11:33
popeyso i might need it11:33
popeyis yours an n40L or n36L?11:33
NET||abuseyeh, they have 1Gb/s on the southbridge, can be upped to 3Gb/s apparently11:33
NET||abuseN40l11:33
popeyinteresting, might look at that11:33
gordmerrymailmanween!11:33
popeywelcome back to democracy!11:33
NET||abusehmm, sorry 1.5Gb/s can be upped to 3Gb/s11:35
NET||abuseneeds a homebrew looking bios for the N40L anyway, maybe not such a great plan?11:36
NET||abusenot sure abuot the 3611:36
NET||abuseah, you can switch the optical bay interface from IDE to AHCI which allows the faster sata mode transpport11:39
NET||abuseand it's the same for the N36L11:39
NET||abuseso you're not doing anything too scary11:40
popeyoptical bay interface?11:43
popeyI'm using a SATA cable plugged into the mobo, socket near the front11:43
NET||abusethe sata port that is fre for he optical drive bay11:43
NET||abuseyeh, but according to the forum posters, the unmodded bios will only run that as IDE11:44
popeyinteresting11:44
popeyi have an SSD on that port11:44
NET||abuseso you'll only get about 97 Mb/s or 1Gb/s speed on it depending on other drive mode factors, where as AHCI mode will run at about 6Gb/s11:44
NET||abusealso, pseudo hot pluggable :)11:45
NET||abuseyou have to spin down/de-activate in software the drives, but you can just hot plug them in and out then :)11:45
NET||abuseneat11:45
NET||abusealso the esata port will run faster, so i'm not sure if that's the port your external enclosure is connecting through, but it might even boost that performance too11:46
NET||abusesome folks are reporting that their winblows install won't boot after switching modes, and they're saying the boot sector or boot config needs to be re-written to reflect it running in the sata mode instead of PATA11:48
NET||abuseso not sure how that will affect an install under ubuntu/freenas11:48
NET||abusewhich are you running?11:48
popeyno, my external array is on a pcie card11:48
NET||abuseahh, of course11:48
popeythe internal card doesn't do PM11:48
popeyubuntu server11:49
NET||abuseyeh, you were saying, so you can't abstract multiple drives11:49
NET||abusemaybe the internal port can be made more funcational again with bios mods11:49
popeyI'd be very surprised if it can11:49
NET||abusehmm, that's true, genearrly you need a true controller to do that really11:50
NET||abuseinteresting redaing the forums though11:50
NET||abusealot of coverage on avforums.com11:50
NET||abusealroight11:52
NET||abusegotta go back to programming, it'll be tomorrow before I get a change to bring in screwdrivers and attach drvies in place11:52
NET||abusethat said, maybe i need to do this at home, don't have spare monitor in work.11:53
AlanBellpopey: how is the tomato juice?12:01
pinky-I watched popey's cho cho video yesterday on you tube and it flooded back loads of memories from my childhood as I used to live about a 1000 meters from Alton train station. I used to live on the main road directly opposite the doctors.12:08
pinky-mumble in the jungle;)12:09
popeyAlanBell, yummy, nearly time for some more12:11
popeyI'd turned the ice machine off for the winter, turned it back on again :)12:11
popeyheh pinky- :)12:11
popeymy kids love steam trains almost as much as me12:11
pinky-all I remember about the front of the train staion is the greasy spoon cafe and the motorbike shop12:12
pinky-they still there?12:12
pinky-popey: I liked your Ubuntu Unity Overview video12:14
pinky-busy here and I'll be back later12:15
pinky-bye for now12:15
Flashteko/12:15
czajkowskiLaney: oi cheeeky!12:16
* Flashtek is getting paid for sitting on his arse and doing nothing...12:16
Laneyczajkowski: hm?12:17
czajkowskiyour G+ posting *if* :)12:18
popeythank you pinky-12:19
Laneyreality is bad12:19
* Laney is excited for his shiny new PC coming tomorrow12:19
bittin^work=>12:19
popeyooh, what you getting?12:19
* Laney is irritated at halifax declining the payment from his CC12:20
Laneyphone call asking to call them back on some 0845 number with some cryptic reference number12:20
Laneydoesn't repeat it, hangs up12:20
Laneyi7-3770k, gtx 670, 32 gb ram, ssd12:21
bittin^workLaney, nice =)12:21
bittin^workmy i5-2500k, gtx 560, 8gb ram, ssd and hdd starts getting old :(12:21
Laneyheh12:22
Laneysounds newer than my current PC (4.5 years)12:22
popeygolly!12:22
popey32GB RAM!?12:22
Laneyvirtualise ALL the machines12:22
popeyaww, cat asleep under my desk12:22
Azelphurmy board is maxed out at 24GB :p12:23
Azelphurtri channel since I'm on the old i712:23
* popey wonders how much his mobo will take :)12:24
Laneymy webkit test build just failed with out of memory12:24
popeyoof12:25
Laneyhopefully will be able to build the beast in RAM on the new machine12:25
popeyhmm, mobo not listed on crucial.com/uk :(12:26
popeydmidecode says MSI MS768012:27
popey• Supports two unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3 1066/1333 DRAM, 16GB Max12:28
popeyMorning bigcalm !12:42
dogmatic69anyone know if its possible to use inkscape plugins via terminal?12:44
bigcalmUm, good afternoon popey!12:45
bigcalmpopey: Am I wanted?12:48
popeynope12:50
bigcalmOk, just confused then12:50
christelway to make a man feel good about himself popey! how very rude12:50
* bigcalm tickles christel then goes back to work12:52
diplopopey: Love the idea for QR codes on devices, good find..12:52
* diplo adds to list 'to do'12:52
davmor2bigcalm: Mooooooooooooooo!12:56
davmor2bigcalm: 'Ow am ya12:56
bigcalmdavmor2: busy, you?12:57
davmor2bigcalm: enjoying playing breaking the raspberry pi ermmmm well at least the sdcard :D pycon uk12:58
bigcalmdavmor2: which is why you aren't allowed anything nice12:58
davmor2bigcalm: I got one :P I just want go crazy on the overclock for mine which we think is the issue but they are already trying to fix it12:59
davmor2won't even13:04
popeybug 105681413:14
lubotu3`Error: Launchpad bug 1056814 could not be found13:14
popeybah13:14
davmor2popey: what's up dude and who was the random bug report aimed at13:20
popeynobody13:24
popeyabusing the bot13:24
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Azelphurhas anyone ever seen a project on kickstarter go to release? o.O13:58
AzelphurIt seems like all the cool things on kickstarter never make it and everyone is in limbo13:58
SuperMattAzelphur: You only need to look as far as Amanda Palmer, who managed to raise over $1M for her new album14:00
popeyyes14:00
SuperMattthere are other projects that are close to release14:01
popeyi have received at least one thing from kickstarter14:01
Azelphur:p14:01
Azelphurfun14:01
popeyalso, cards against humanity14:01
popeythat was a kickstarter, and you can buy that at amazon us14:01
Azelphurah14:01
popeyand I know that exists because I've played it ;)14:01
AzelphurI've been waiting on power laces for so long xD14:02
popeyI have 3 more pending delivery now14:02
LaneyI loooooooooooooove being on hold to ebuyer14:02
popeythey use ubuntu14:02
Azelphurfun14:02
Laneyconstant advertising14:02
popeyadvertising to people who are doing something else? that'll never catch on!14:03
Laney?!14:05
LaneyI don't really care if it's caught on14:05
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dwatkinspopey: I'm still listening to that album you linked on G+ :)14:15
popeyheh, the one from nikki and the robots?14:15
dwatkinshttp://cerror.bandcamp.com/ - Rainbow Parade14:15
* xnox 's housemate is English, he just said:"Can we call that bird a parrot, even though it's a massive pigeon!"14:16
dwatkinsah, could be from that, I didn't see14:16
xnoxdwatkins: are you the dwatkins I think you are, or not?14:16
dwatkinsxnox: that depends who you think I am...14:17
xnoxdwatkins: OddBloke ?!14:17
dwatkinsI am not odd.14:17
dwatkinsI also don't use this nickname elsewhere.14:17
xnoxhm.... Oddbloke is the irc nick name I know one Daniel Watkins.14:18
dwatkinsunless my nephew has discovered IRC at the young age of 12, that's not me nor anyone I know ;)14:18
Darael /redraw14:24
dwatkins^L14:24
DaraelI had some trouble with a screen-nicklist script on ^L.14:26
DaraelSo I've been using /redraw.14:26
DaraelI have no idea why it works better but it does.14:26
dwatkinsI sometimes have redraw problems when there are colours or control characters on screen. I find it's less of an issue if I enable UTF.14:27
Laneygood14:42
Laneyconvinced ebuyer and amazon to take payment14:42
Laneysilly fraud prevention14:42
popeyhttp://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadget-show/gadget-news/a-49-ipod-touch-killer-sign-us-up14:50
popeygolly14:50
popeycan't see that on amazon14:52
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AlanBellamazingly cheap $thing is not a killer of an amazingly expensive $thing for all values of $thing15:00
AlanBelldoes look good though15:01
Azelphuryea, looks pretty cool15:05
Azelphurpopey: I'd compare it to the matrix one 7 as it's similarly priced15:06
* AlanBell wonders if there are any current tablets that will run Ubuntu yet15:06
* popey ran ubuntu on his15:07
popeyand i saw someone has ported it to the transformer15:07
popeyhttp://www.xda-developers.com/android/net-install-ubuntu-on-the-transformer-tf101/15:08
Azelphurcool15:08
AzelphurHas anyone got NFC payments working in UK on a phone yet? :p15:09
AzelphurI'm trying to find a way to do it on my SGS3 but all the options seem restricted to not be used by me xD15:10
SuperMattI have a question about ubuntu support15:10
SuperMatthow far does canonical go to support a webserver, for instance. That is, if a paying customer has an issue with apache, will canonical patch it?15:11
AlanBellhttp://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/support15:13
AlanBellSuperMatt: depends really I guess, if you report a bug it could lead to stuff being backported to a supported release15:13
SuperMattright, ok15:14
SuperMattso here's the thing15:14
SuperMatthow much support would I get from canonical with setting up an nginx server? would be it considerably less than an apache server?15:14
AlanBell!info nginx15:15
lubotu3`nginx (source: nginx): small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.19-1 (precise), package size 6 kB, installed size 84 kB15:15
AlanBell"In component universe" <- not in main15:15
xnoxAlanBell: and that means nothing ;-)15:15
AlanBellreally?15:15
xnoxSuperMatt: contact ubuntu-advantage support and inquire of level of support offered for your use cases and which web-servers they'd rather support for your case.15:16
SuperMattso basically apache would definitely get more support than nginx. OK. That's the answer I need for my documentation.15:16
xnoxSuperMatt: apache is the default in debian and ubuntu, due to features.15:16
xnoxSuperMatt: more often you get better performance with nginx especially with respect to caching static files & serving webapps (php, ruby, python, etc).15:17
SuperMattxnox: indeed, it's certainly faster, I'm just wondering if the business is willing to trade speed against support15:18
xnoxSuperMatt: put an enquiry in, and see the response.15:21
pinky-Mayan Apocalypse Update: http://gizmodo.com/5947845/astronomers-discover-huge-comet-coming-towards-us15:40
xnoxczajkowski: I love your bug 1058364 trianging, does that mean "you lived without that one email since forever, you can live without it further?!" =)))))15:42
lubotu3`Launchpad bug 1058364 in Launchpad itself "not getting 'waiting for approval' email when sponsoring syncs when the archive is frozen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105836415:42
czajkowskixnox: it's a it's a nice to have but there is no dev happening but we dont mark things as wishlist15:42
xnoxczajkowski: I see =) I never mastered the "art of politically correctly assigning bug status and priorities"15:43
* xnox gets increasing amount of personal (hate) mail.15:44
czajkowskiI get an increasing amout of people poking me in non work channels over me triaging them so we're even15:44
* xnox meh15:46
Laneyhaha :(15:50
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* popey adds a dash of sriracha to his tomato juice16:05
MartijnVdSTomato juice.. VHY?!16:11
popeyMartijnVdS, yummy16:17
popeyand part of my 5 a day :)16:17
jpdsMartijnVdS: Why not?16:20
MartijnVdSThis is why we invented tomato soup and tomato sauce!16:20
MartijnVdSso we don't have to drink the juice!16:20
popeyi bought a box of 12 cartons which arrives tomorrow16:25
popeyi still haven't finished the two cartons i bought yesterday!16:25
MartijnVdSstage blood!16:25
MartijnVdSit's almost halloween16:25
popeyyeah, as people come trick-or-treating, I'll lob cups of juice over them16:25
czajkowskiou can make lovely tomatoe soup with tomatoe juice16:25
popeyawesome idea16:25
czajkowski*you16:26
czajkowskibasil and tomatoe soup with fresh out of the oven hot bread rolls16:26
popeyam enjoying juice + ice + worcester sauce + sriracha16:26
czajkowskiyummy16:26
czajkowskinever heard of sriracha16:26
popeyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriracha_sauce16:26
popeyyummy16:26
popeymakes _everything_ taste _better_16:26
popeyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sriracha_%22Rooster_Sauce%22.jpg16:26
czajkowskido love me a bit of worcester sauce over a fried egg16:27
mgdmI wonder how long it'll be before you're thoroughly sick of tomato juice, popey ;-)16:27
popeyI give it a week16:27
czajkowskiwhen he glows red16:27
czajkowski:)16:27
mgdmhehe16:27
* popey checks to see if there are any medical side effects16:27
mgdmthere's a mildly unfortunate phrasing in your tweet16:29
mgdmbut anyway16:29
pinky-next time you pour a bloody mary put a spike in it16:29
popeyoh?16:30
popeylol16:30
knightwiseeeeevenin16:30
bigcalmAfternoon16:31
knightwisehey bigcalm16:31
knightwisehave you tried the Ubuntu webapps preview in 12.04 ?16:31
bigcalmNope, I use xubunu-desktop16:31
knightwisehmm..16:31
bigcalmUnity does not make me productive16:32
knightwisei'm trying to install it and i get an error about borken packages16:32
bigcalmWell, if it's a preview...16:32
knightwisehmm.. true. I did work a little while ago , but it seems to have a problem with the latest firefox16:32
czajkowskipopey: ^^^16:43
czajkowskiI know he had some issue tday with FF not sure it's that though16:43
popeyknightwise, i dont think those PPAs are well maintained tbh16:44
popeyknightwise, it just about works in 12.10 :D16:44
knightwisepopey: thanx :) i'll just wait with implementing it16:44
knightwiseI realy liked it though16:44
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jacobwi don't like the messaging menu in quantal17:35
jacobwthe new icons are off palete17:37
jacobwbut i quite like that applications are named instead of 'chat' and 'mail'17:37
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bigcalmGood evening peeps :)19:22
webpigeonEvening bigcalm19:24
pr0ph3thi all19:26
pr0ph3twould you be so kind to help me out upgrading to the latest Gnome? I'm running Gnome Shell on Ubuntu 12.0419:27
pr0ph3tdo I need to change PPA?19:28
DaraelIf you upgraded since adding the PPA, it will have been disabled, with the result that you're running the version that ships with Precise.19:29
DaraelOtherwise, we can't know if you need to change PPA without knowing what PPA you're using.19:29
DaraelWell, unless the answer is "You can't because something in it clashes with something important in Ubuntu", which I suppose is possible.  I'm not up-to-date on the Gnome situation.  Just applying general knowledge to the question :)19:30
pr0ph3tI'm using the Precise vanilla PPA19:30
* popey shrugs19:31
Darael...I'm not sure that makes sense.  Do you mean the repositories that are active on vanilla Precise?  Those aren't actually PPAs; they're the primary mirrors.19:31
Daraels/mirrors/archives/ - not that it makes any difference now that pr0ph3t's gone.19:32
pr0ph3tsorry didn't mean to be rude, just disconnected accidentally19:33
pr0ph3toh please popey! Ok I'm not up-to-date on Ubuntu as I should be. So now we talk about primary mirrors19:34
DaraelI meant archives, actually.  My mistake.19:35
popeyi know nothing of gnome shell, sorry.19:35
pr0ph3tdoes it still work in a similar way? When I wanted to use beta/daily builds of certain packages I used to change the PPA19:35
pr0ph3tpopey, I just said it because you shrugged19:36
DaraelUm.  A PPA is a small archive of packages hosted on launchpad.  Technically it's a Personal Package Archive.  It's a term usually used to distinguish PPAs from the main archives.  There may be a gnome-shell PPA available for precise; my suggestion would be to log into launchpad and click the "search PPAs" link, then search for gnome-shell.19:36
pr0ph3tI do not think 3.6 is going to be in Precise, it is in Quetzal though19:37
DaraelIt's possible it'll be in precise-backports?  I don't know, but it might be.19:38
pr0ph3tok thank you, I'll have a look :-)19:39
popeyjbicha is the guy to ask19:40
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Azelphurseems like giffgaff is nerfing the £10 goodybag :(21:41
mgdm'nerfing'?21:45
popeyfancy that21:46
popey1. offer too-good-to-be-true deal21:46
Daraelmgdm: Making less ridiculously good.21:46
popey2. get loads of customers21:46
popey3. shutdown the offer21:46
popey4. profit21:46
Azelphurlol21:46
AzelphurDarael: it compares with other offerings after the nerf tbh21:46
Azelphurmgdm: £10 plan gets knocked down to 1GB instead of unlimited, unlimited plan now costs £1221:47
Azelphurbut for £12.90 you can get unlimited from three, and three has better coverage21:47
mgdmah21:47
AzelphurI hear that three has more aggressive anti-tethering measures though, although I'm sure it's nothing I couldn't bypass xD21:48
AzelphurI imagine bumping up TTL and using a VPN is autowin21:48
Azelphurmgdm: also, nerfing, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerf21:48
popeythree has anti-tethering?21:49
Azelphurpopey: someone told me it does21:49
Azelphurapparently it sends a message to the phone and then forces you to reboot the phone before internet can be used again21:49
dogmatic69popey: lol, that reply to your twitter was good.22:57
dogmatic69cat /proc/cpuinfo22:58
popey:D22:58
brobostigongood night everyone ,sleep well.23:02

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