[07:08] <davmor2> hey all
[07:09] <christel> morning davmor2 :)
[07:10] <davmor2> christel: how's life down sowff
[07:10] <christel> bit too busy but otherwise good :)
[07:11] <davmor2> christel: is it not always a  bit too busy though is that not the way of the life of a geek?
[07:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: you're on early
[07:40] <christel> davmor2: i dunno, i'm not a geek ;)
[07:44] <czajkowski> hah
[07:45] <czajkowski> christel: you're funny
[07:45] <christel> :P
[07:45]  * christel snuggles czajkowski 
[07:48] <christel> 13
[07:49] <Darael> 12?
[07:49] <christel> ;)
[08:05] <czajkowski> popey: best channel to ask about webapps stuff ?
[08:10] <christel> czajkowski: when do you head to ireland?
[08:11] <czajkowski> thursday
[08:11] <christel> aha!
[08:22] <diplo> Morning all
[08:29] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all! :-D
[08:34] <christel> heya diplo, JamesTait \o/
[08:35] <AlanBell> czajkowski: there is an #ubuntu-webapps channel but it is fairly quiet
[08:36] <czajkowski> cheers
[08:36] <diplo> Any hackers here ever know anyone who has replaced a iPad2 glass front screen ?
[08:43] <popey> ifixit
[08:44] <mungojerry> diplo, about to replace my touchpad front screen
[08:46] <davmor2> czajkowski: i was on the train to pyconuk for the last time
[08:47]  * JamesTait hugs christel.
[08:47] <davmor2> christel: you are So A Geek you little liar
[08:47] <diplo> Watching a few videos, not for me but a friend.. not sure I want to do it now watching these vids
[08:48] <AlanBell> good phrase to take out of context
[08:49] <diplo> :D
[08:49] <popey> yeah, I wouldn't do it
[08:49] <popey> will apple do it for your friend?
[08:49] <diplo> I'd be fine replacing the glass on my own device, but I'm not sure someone elses
[08:49] <diplo> £200
[08:49] <diplo> 200 pound
[08:50] <popey> how much is the part alone?
[08:50] <diplo> Just the glass broke, on ebay 15 pound + postage
[08:50] <popey> worth a punt then :)_
[08:50] <diplo> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Black-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-for-iPad-2-3g-Wifi-Both-Tools-/330802462383?pt=UK_iPad_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item4d055cfeaf#ht_2735wt_1090
[08:50] <diplo> That's what I thought, loads of videos as well
[08:50] <popey> i really want to change the disk in my imac but the thought of doing it makes me go "ugh!"
[08:50] <diplo> explaining where to be careful etc
[08:50] <popey> need suction cups to remove the screen
[08:51] <diplo> ooh, rather you than me!
[08:52] <popey> yeah
[08:53] <popey> reverted it back from ubuntu to OSX at the weekend
[08:56] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:57] <diplo> Going to get some suction cups and give it a go then popey ?
[08:57] <popey> maybe
[08:57] <popey> I might when I upgrade my laptop to 550GB SSD, and put the 240GB SSD from the laptop in the iMac
[08:59] <diplo> I've got to start saving for a ssd
[09:09] <popey> http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/owc-offers-up-imac-ssd-upgrade-kit-suction-cups-included-20120417/
[09:09] <popey> ooh!
[09:09] <shauno> popey: I had a video somewhere of a chap who did that quite successfully with a toilet plunger ;)
[09:46] <popey> haha shauno
[11:03] <NET||abuse> yay,, micro server just arrived
[11:03] <NET||abuse> filled out the rebate form, nice!. popey thanks for pointing me at that
[11:04] <NET||abuse> looking forward to a chance to start installing it and stuff now
[11:05] <NET||abuse> need to run spinright on all my drives
[11:05] <NET||abuse> have the 2 1TB and a 250GB in the drawer, so will manage to fill up the slots on the microserver quickly.
[11:11] <BigRedS> Anyone here use guake?
[11:12] <BigRedS> I'd like bug 1058073 to get enough attention that someone fixes it :)
[11:12] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1058073 in guake (Ubuntu) "The currently active tab looks very much like all the inactive ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058073
[11:12] <NET||abuse> BigRedS: i've not used it in a while.
[11:12] <NET||abuse> BigRedS: is it much better than it used to be (say 2 years"
[11:13] <NET||abuse> or is it much the same in gnome 3 as it was in gnome 2
[11:13] <BigRedS> No idea, I didn't use it in Gnome 2 :)
[11:13] <NET||abuse> hmm, ok
[11:13] <BigRedS> I went through a phase of thinking about how I did things and what software I was using when I was trying out different DEs at the end of Gnome 2's life
[11:14] <BigRedS> seems largely workable to me, what was wrong with it before?
[11:14] <NET||abuse> I like unity and gnome3,
[11:14] <NET||abuse> the quick find pattern i us alot now
[11:14] <NET||abuse> use
[11:14] <BigRedS> yeah, I just want all the best bits of both to find their way into the same DE
[11:14] <NET||abuse> just super key, type some letters, hit enter and ussually running what i want straight away
[11:15] <NET||abuse> part of me wants xfce or something
[11:16] <NET||abuse> i do begrudge the overhead
[11:16] <BigRedS> mm, I really like the gnome-shell/empathy tie-in with that pop-up at the bottom of the screen that I can type into
[11:16] <NET||abuse> but i love the compositing desktop
[11:16] <BigRedS> but then I dislike empathy's general rubbishness...
[11:16] <NET||abuse> empathy needs to be left in the dust or re-invented
[11:17] <NET||abuse> Though i can't really comment on the latest and greatest. i'm on F16 right now for work
[11:18] <NET||abuse> I should totally upgrade to F17, or else just ditch Fedora and go back to Ubuntu
[11:18] <BigRedS> Oh man, I tried fedora a bit for a while
[11:18] <BigRedS> It was really neat for about six hours and then just kept annoying me
[11:18] <NET||abuse> MTA driver doesn't work right so i'm stuck using Airdroid to move stuff to and from my phone and nexus 7
[11:18] <NET||abuse> yeh, i like their effort to use the base gnome shell as the desktop
[11:19] <NET||abuse> i think there needs to be gnome-shell and unity as substitute options
[11:19] <BigRedS> my distro-hopping's basically limited to Debian and Ubuntu now. Nothing else is close enough to debian to not irritate me...
[11:19] <BigRedS> for FC?
[11:19] <NET||abuse> everywhere
[11:19] <BigRedS> haha
[11:19] <BigRedS> well, everything does gnome-shell, just gotta get porting unity!
[11:19] <NET||abuse> and gnome 2, xfce and E17 :P
[11:20] <NET||abuse> fvwm, enlightenment,lxde, flux box
[11:20] <NET||abuse> all of em on the login session selector
[11:21] <NET||abuse> i'd love it if kde 4 would become good and widely supported again
[11:21] <NET||abuse> feel like it's loosing out a bit to the gnome 2/3 unity draw
[11:27] <BigRedS> losing out? I think KDE stopped being relevant shortly after KDE4
[11:27] <NET||abuse> yes, unfortunately
[11:29] <popey> I once tried to switch to KDE for a whole cycle. It annoyed me so much I switched back after about 6 weeks
[11:29] <NET||abuse> i've done this also
[11:30] <NET||abuse> popey: the microserver, it arrived, i'm so excited to get cnfiguring, have you any pointers on the setup?
[11:30] <popey> I have 8GB RAM in mine, and put a boot disk in the optical bay
[11:31] <popey> so i have the other 4 bays available for big disks
[11:31] <popey> and added a pci express esata card
[11:31] <NET||abuse> I've got 2x250GB drvies and 2x1TB drives which will fill up the available slots for now, and i've a 2.5" 160GB drive which i could put in as OS disk
[11:31] <Laney> biggus diskus
[11:31] <NET||abuse> :P
[11:31] <NET||abuse> is there any bios jiggery pokery i should look at?
[11:32] <Laney> there's a grandparents' day?
[11:32]  * Laney eyes amazon suspiciously
[11:32] <NET||abuse> alot of google results are going on about upping speed settings for the sata interfaces and changing to AHCI mode on the sata4/5 ports to allow them to be ssd's and the optical to be bootable
[11:32] <popey> i haven't done any of that
[11:32] <popey> speed on sata interfaces would be handy
[11:32] <NET||abuse> hm, so myabe i don't need to
[11:33] <popey> well, mine is IO bound a lot of the time
[11:33] <popey> so i might need it
[11:33] <popey> is yours an n40L or n36L?
[11:33] <NET||abuse> yeh, they have 1Gb/s on the southbridge, can be upped to 3Gb/s apparently
[11:33] <NET||abuse> N40l
[11:33] <popey> interesting, might look at that
[11:33] <gord> merrymailmanween!
[11:33] <popey> welcome back to democracy!
[11:35] <NET||abuse> hmm, sorry 1.5Gb/s can be upped to 3Gb/s
[11:36] <NET||abuse> needs a homebrew looking bios for the N40L anyway, maybe not such a great plan?
[11:36] <NET||abuse> not sure abuot the 36
[11:39] <NET||abuse> ah, you can switch the optical bay interface from IDE to AHCI which allows the faster sata mode transpport
[11:39] <NET||abuse> and it's the same for the N36L
[11:40] <NET||abuse> so you're not doing anything too scary
[11:43] <popey> optical bay interface?
[11:43] <popey> I'm using a SATA cable plugged into the mobo, socket near the front
[11:43] <NET||abuse> the sata port that is fre for he optical drive bay
[11:44] <NET||abuse> yeh, but according to the forum posters, the unmodded bios will only run that as IDE
[11:44] <popey> interesting
[11:44] <popey> i have an SSD on that port
[11:44] <NET||abuse> so you'll only get about 97 Mb/s or 1Gb/s speed on it depending on other drive mode factors, where as AHCI mode will run at about 6Gb/s
[11:45] <NET||abuse> also, pseudo hot pluggable :)
[11:45] <NET||abuse> you have to spin down/de-activate in software the drives, but you can just hot plug them in and out then :)
[11:45] <NET||abuse> neat
[11:46] <NET||abuse> also the esata port will run faster, so i'm not sure if that's the port your external enclosure is connecting through, but it might even boost that performance too
[11:48] <NET||abuse> some folks are reporting that their winblows install won't boot after switching modes, and they're saying the boot sector or boot config needs to be re-written to reflect it running in the sata mode instead of PATA
[11:48] <NET||abuse> so not sure how that will affect an install under ubuntu/freenas
[11:48] <NET||abuse> which are you running?
[11:48] <popey> no, my external array is on a pcie card
[11:48] <NET||abuse> ahh, of course
[11:48] <popey> the internal card doesn't do PM
[11:49] <popey> ubuntu server
[11:49] <NET||abuse> yeh, you were saying, so you can't abstract multiple drives
[11:49] <NET||abuse> maybe the internal port can be made more funcational again with bios mods
[11:49] <popey> I'd be very surprised if it can
[11:50] <NET||abuse> hmm, that's true, genearrly you need a true controller to do that really
[11:50] <NET||abuse> interesting redaing the forums though
[11:50] <NET||abuse> alot of coverage on avforums.com
[11:52] <NET||abuse> alroight
[11:52] <NET||abuse> gotta go back to programming, it'll be tomorrow before I get a change to bring in screwdrivers and attach drvies in place
[11:53] <NET||abuse> that said, maybe i need to do this at home, don't have spare monitor in work.
[12:01] <AlanBell> popey: how is the tomato juice?
[12:08] <pinky-> I watched popey's cho cho video yesterday on you tube and it flooded back loads of memories from my childhood as I used to live about a 1000 meters from Alton train station. I used to live on the main road directly opposite the doctors.
[12:09] <pinky-> mumble in the jungle;)
[12:11] <popey> AlanBell, yummy, nearly time for some more
[12:11] <popey> I'd turned the ice machine off for the winter, turned it back on again :)
[12:11] <popey> heh pinky- :)
[12:11] <popey> my kids love steam trains almost as much as me
[12:12] <pinky-> all I remember about the front of the train staion is the greasy spoon cafe and the motorbike shop
[12:12] <pinky-> they still there?
[12:14] <pinky-> popey: I liked your Ubuntu Unity Overview video
[12:15] <pinky-> busy here and I'll be back later
[12:15] <pinky-> bye for now
[12:15] <Flashtek> o/
[12:16] <czajkowski> Laney: oi cheeeky!
[12:16]  * Flashtek is getting paid for sitting on his arse and doing nothing...
[12:17] <Laney> czajkowski: hm?
[12:18] <czajkowski> your G+ posting *if* :)
[12:19] <popey> thank you pinky-
[12:19] <Laney> reality is bad
[12:19]  * Laney is excited for his shiny new PC coming tomorrow
[12:19] <bittin^work> =>
[12:19] <popey> ooh, what you getting?
[12:20]  * Laney is irritated at halifax declining the payment from his CC
[12:20] <Laney> phone call asking to call them back on some 0845 number with some cryptic reference number
[12:20] <Laney> doesn't repeat it, hangs up
[12:21] <Laney> i7-3770k, gtx 670, 32 gb ram, ssd
[12:21] <bittin^work> Laney, nice =)
[12:21] <bittin^work> my i5-2500k, gtx 560, 8gb ram, ssd and hdd starts getting old :(
[12:22] <Laney> heh
[12:22] <Laney> sounds newer than my current PC (4.5 years)
[12:22] <popey> golly!
[12:22] <popey> 32GB RAM!?
[12:22] <Laney> virtualise ALL the machines
[12:22] <popey> aww, cat asleep under my desk
[12:23] <Azelphur> my board is maxed out at 24GB :p
[12:23] <Azelphur> tri channel since I'm on the old i7
[12:24]  * popey wonders how much his mobo will take :)
[12:24] <Laney> my webkit test build just failed with out of memory
[12:25] <popey> oof
[12:25] <Laney> hopefully will be able to build the beast in RAM on the new machine
[12:26] <popey> hmm, mobo not listed on crucial.com/uk :(
[12:27] <popey> dmidecode says MSI MS7680
[12:28] <popey> • Supports two unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3 1066/1333 DRAM, 16GB Max
[12:42] <popey> Morning bigcalm !
[12:44] <dogmatic69> anyone know if its possible to use inkscape plugins via terminal?
[12:45] <bigcalm> Um, good afternoon popey!
[12:48] <bigcalm> popey: Am I wanted?
[12:50] <popey> nope
[12:50] <bigcalm> Ok, just confused then
[12:50] <christel> way to make a man feel good about himself popey! how very rude
[12:52]  * bigcalm tickles christel then goes back to work
[12:52] <diplo> popey: Love the idea for QR codes on devices, good find..
[12:52]  * diplo adds to list 'to do'
[12:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: Mooooooooooooooo!
[12:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: 'Ow am ya
[12:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: busy, you?
[12:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: enjoying playing breaking the raspberry pi ermmmm well at least the sdcard :D pycon uk
[12:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: which is why you aren't allowed anything nice
[12:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: I got one :P I just want go crazy on the overclock for mine which we think is the issue but they are already trying to fix it
[13:04] <davmor2> won't even
[13:14] <popey> bug 1056814
[13:14] <lubotu3`> Error: Launchpad bug 1056814 could not be found
[13:14] <popey> bah
[13:20] <davmor2> popey: what's up dude and who was the random bug report aimed at
[13:24] <popey> nobody
[13:24] <popey> abusing the bot
[13:58] <Azelphur> has anyone ever seen a project on kickstarter go to release? o.O
[13:58] <Azelphur> It seems like all the cool things on kickstarter never make it and everyone is in limbo
[14:00] <SuperMatt> Azelphur: You only need to look as far as Amanda Palmer, who managed to raise over $1M for her new album
[14:00] <popey> yes
[14:01] <SuperMatt> there are other projects that are close to release
[14:01] <popey> i have received at least one thing from kickstarter
[14:01] <Azelphur> :p
[14:01] <Azelphur> fun
[14:01] <popey> also, cards against humanity
[14:01] <popey> that was a kickstarter, and you can buy that at amazon us
[14:01] <Azelphur> ah
[14:01] <popey> and I know that exists because I've played it ;)
[14:02] <Azelphur> I've been waiting on power laces for so long xD
[14:02] <popey> I have 3 more pending delivery now
[14:02] <Laney> I loooooooooooooove being on hold to ebuyer
[14:02] <popey> they use ubuntu
[14:02] <Azelphur> fun
[14:02] <Laney> constant advertising
[14:03] <popey> advertising to people who are doing something else? that'll never catch on!
[14:05] <Laney> ?!
[14:05] <Laney> I don't really care if it's caught on
[14:15] <dwatkins> popey: I'm still listening to that album you linked on G+ :)
[14:15] <popey> heh, the one from nikki and the robots?
[14:15] <dwatkins> http://cerror.bandcamp.com/ - Rainbow Parade
[14:16]  * xnox 's housemate is English, he just said:"Can we call that bird a parrot, even though it's a massive pigeon!"
[14:16] <dwatkins> ah, could be from that, I didn't see
[14:16] <xnox> dwatkins: are you the dwatkins I think you are, or not?
[14:17] <dwatkins> xnox: that depends who you think I am...
[14:17] <xnox> dwatkins: OddBloke ?!
[14:17] <dwatkins> I am not odd.
[14:17] <dwatkins> I also don't use this nickname elsewhere.
[14:18] <xnox> hm.... Oddbloke is the irc nick name I know one Daniel Watkins.
[14:18] <dwatkins> unless my nephew has discovered IRC at the young age of 12, that's not me nor anyone I know ;)
[14:24] <Darael>  /redraw
[14:24] <dwatkins> ^L
[14:26] <Darael> I had some trouble with a screen-nicklist script on ^L.
[14:26] <Darael> So I've been using /redraw.
[14:26] <Darael> I have no idea why it works better but it does.
[14:27] <dwatkins> I sometimes have redraw problems when there are colours or control characters on screen. I find it's less of an issue if I enable UTF.
[14:42] <Laney> good
[14:42] <Laney> convinced ebuyer and amazon to take payment
[14:42] <Laney> silly fraud prevention
[14:50] <popey> http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadget-show/gadget-news/a-49-ipod-touch-killer-sign-us-up
[14:50] <popey> golly
[14:52] <popey> can't see that on amazon
[15:00] <AlanBell> amazingly cheap $thing is not a killer of an amazingly expensive $thing for all values of $thing
[15:01] <AlanBell> does look good though
[15:05] <Azelphur> yea, looks pretty cool
[15:06] <Azelphur> popey: I'd compare it to the matrix one 7 as it's similarly priced
[15:06]  * AlanBell wonders if there are any current tablets that will run Ubuntu yet
[15:07]  * popey ran ubuntu on his
[15:07] <popey> and i saw someone has ported it to the transformer
[15:08] <popey> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/net-install-ubuntu-on-the-transformer-tf101/
[15:08] <Azelphur> cool
[15:09] <Azelphur> Has anyone got NFC payments working in UK on a phone yet? :p
[15:10] <Azelphur> I'm trying to find a way to do it on my SGS3 but all the options seem restricted to not be used by me xD
[15:10] <SuperMatt> I have a question about ubuntu support
[15:11] <SuperMatt> how far does canonical go to support a webserver, for instance. That is, if a paying customer has an issue with apache, will canonical patch it?
[15:13] <AlanBell> http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/support
[15:13] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: depends really I guess, if you report a bug it could lead to stuff being backported to a supported release
[15:14] <SuperMatt> right, ok
[15:14] <SuperMatt> so here's the thing
[15:14] <SuperMatt> how much support would I get from canonical with setting up an nginx server? would be it considerably less than an apache server?
[15:15] <AlanBell> !info nginx
[15:15] <lubotu3`> nginx (source: nginx): small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.19-1 (precise), package size 6 kB, installed size 84 kB
[15:15] <AlanBell> "In component universe" <- not in main
[15:15] <xnox> AlanBell: and that means nothing ;-)
[15:15] <AlanBell> really?
[15:16] <xnox> SuperMatt: contact ubuntu-advantage support and inquire of level of support offered for your use cases and which web-servers they'd rather support for your case.
[15:16] <SuperMatt> so basically apache would definitely get more support than nginx. OK. That's the answer I need for my documentation.
[15:16] <xnox> SuperMatt: apache is the default in debian and ubuntu, due to features.
[15:17] <xnox> SuperMatt: more often you get better performance with nginx especially with respect to caching static files & serving webapps (php, ruby, python, etc).
[15:18] <SuperMatt> xnox: indeed, it's certainly faster, I'm just wondering if the business is willing to trade speed against support
[15:21] <xnox> SuperMatt: put an enquiry in, and see the response.
[15:40] <pinky-> Mayan Apocalypse Update: http://gizmodo.com/5947845/astronomers-discover-huge-comet-coming-towards-us
[15:42] <xnox> czajkowski: I love your bug 1058364 trianging, does that mean "you lived without that one email since forever, you can live without it further?!" =)))))
[15:42] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1058364 in Launchpad itself "not getting 'waiting for approval' email when sponsoring syncs when the archive is frozen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058364
[15:42] <czajkowski> xnox: it's a it's a nice to have but there is no dev happening but we dont mark things as wishlist
[15:43] <xnox> czajkowski: I see =) I never mastered the "art of politically correctly assigning bug status and priorities"
[15:44]  * xnox gets increasing amount of personal (hate) mail.
[15:44] <czajkowski> I get an increasing amout of people poking me in non work channels over me triaging them so we're even
[15:46]  * xnox meh
[15:50] <Laney> haha :(
[16:05]  * popey adds a dash of sriracha to his tomato juice
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> Tomato juice.. VHY?!
[16:17] <popey> MartijnVdS, yummy
[16:17] <popey> and part of my 5 a day :)
[16:20] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Why not?
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> This is why we invented tomato soup and tomato sauce!
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> so we don't have to drink the juice!
[16:25] <popey> i bought a box of 12 cartons which arrives tomorrow
[16:25] <popey> i still haven't finished the two cartons i bought yesterday!
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> stage blood!
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> it's almost halloween
[16:25] <popey> yeah, as people come trick-or-treating, I'll lob cups of juice over them
[16:25] <czajkowski> ou can make lovely tomatoe soup with tomatoe juice
[16:25] <popey> awesome idea
[16:26] <czajkowski> *you
[16:26] <czajkowski> basil and tomatoe soup with fresh out of the oven hot bread rolls
[16:26] <popey> am enjoying juice + ice + worcester sauce + sriracha
[16:26] <czajkowski> yummy
[16:26] <czajkowski> never heard of sriracha
[16:26] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriracha_sauce
[16:26] <popey> yummy
[16:26] <popey> makes _everything_ taste _better_
[16:26] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sriracha_%22Rooster_Sauce%22.jpg
[16:27] <czajkowski> do love me a bit of worcester sauce over a fried egg
[16:27] <mgdm> I wonder how long it'll be before you're thoroughly sick of tomato juice, popey ;-)
[16:27] <popey> I give it a week
[16:27] <czajkowski> when he glows red
[16:27] <czajkowski> :)
[16:27] <mgdm> hehe
[16:27]  * popey checks to see if there are any medical side effects
[16:29] <mgdm> there's a mildly unfortunate phrasing in your tweet
[16:29] <mgdm> but anyway
[16:29] <pinky-> next time you pour a bloody mary put a spike in it
[16:30] <popey> oh?
[16:30] <popey> lol
[16:30] <knightwise> eeeevenin
[16:31] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[16:31] <knightwise> hey bigcalm
[16:31] <knightwise> have you tried the Ubuntu webapps preview in 12.04 ?
[16:31] <bigcalm> Nope, I use xubunu-desktop
[16:31] <knightwise> hmm..
[16:32] <bigcalm> Unity does not make me productive
[16:32] <knightwise> i'm trying to install it and i get an error about borken packages
[16:32] <bigcalm> Well, if it's a preview...
[16:32] <knightwise> hmm.. true. I did work a little while ago , but it seems to have a problem with the latest firefox
[16:43] <czajkowski> popey: ^^^
[16:43] <czajkowski> I know he had some issue tday with FF not sure it's that though
[16:44] <popey> knightwise, i dont think those PPAs are well maintained tbh
[16:44] <popey> knightwise, it just about works in 12.10 :D
[16:44] <knightwise> popey: thanx :) i'll just wait with implementing it
[16:44] <knightwise> I realy liked it though
[17:35] <jacobw> i don't like the messaging menu in quantal
[17:37] <jacobw> the new icons are off palete
[17:37] <jacobw> but i quite like that applications are named instead of 'chat' and 'mail'
[19:22] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:24] <webpigeon> Evening bigcalm
[19:26] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[19:27] <pr0ph3t> would you be so kind to help me out upgrading to the latest Gnome? I'm running Gnome Shell on Ubuntu 12.04
[19:28] <pr0ph3t> do I need to change PPA?
[19:29] <Darael> If you upgraded since adding the PPA, it will have been disabled, with the result that you're running the version that ships with Precise.
[19:29] <Darael> Otherwise, we can't know if you need to change PPA without knowing what PPA you're using.
[19:30] <Darael> Well, unless the answer is "You can't because something in it clashes with something important in Ubuntu", which I suppose is possible.  I'm not up-to-date on the Gnome situation.  Just applying general knowledge to the question :)
[19:30] <pr0ph3t> I'm using the Precise vanilla PPA
[19:31]  * popey shrugs
[19:31] <Darael> ...I'm not sure that makes sense.  Do you mean the repositories that are active on vanilla Precise?  Those aren't actually PPAs; they're the primary mirrors.
[19:32] <Darael> s/mirrors/archives/ - not that it makes any difference now that pr0ph3t's gone.
[19:33] <pr0ph3t> sorry didn't mean to be rude, just disconnected accidentally
[19:34] <pr0ph3t> oh please popey! Ok I'm not up-to-date on Ubuntu as I should be. So now we talk about primary mirrors
[19:35] <Darael> I meant archives, actually.  My mistake.
[19:35] <popey> i know nothing of gnome shell, sorry.
[19:35] <pr0ph3t> does it still work in a similar way? When I wanted to use beta/daily builds of certain packages I used to change the PPA
[19:36] <pr0ph3t> popey, I just said it because you shrugged
[19:36] <Darael> Um.  A PPA is a small archive of packages hosted on launchpad.  Technically it's a Personal Package Archive.  It's a term usually used to distinguish PPAs from the main archives.  There may be a gnome-shell PPA available for precise; my suggestion would be to log into launchpad and click the "search PPAs" link, then search for gnome-shell.
[19:37] <pr0ph3t> I do not think 3.6 is going to be in Precise, it is in Quetzal though
[19:38] <Darael> It's possible it'll be in precise-backports?  I don't know, but it might be.
[19:39] <pr0ph3t> ok thank you, I'll have a look :-)
[19:40] <popey> jbicha is the guy to ask
[21:41] <Azelphur> seems like giffgaff is nerfing the £10 goodybag :(
[21:45] <mgdm> 'nerfing'?
[21:46] <popey> fancy that
[21:46] <popey> 1. offer too-good-to-be-true deal
[21:46] <Darael> mgdm: Making less ridiculously good.
[21:46] <popey> 2. get loads of customers
[21:46] <popey> 3. shutdown the offer
[21:46] <popey> 4. profit
[21:46] <Azelphur> lol
[21:46] <Azelphur> Darael: it compares with other offerings after the nerf tbh
[21:47] <Azelphur> mgdm: £10 plan gets knocked down to 1GB instead of unlimited, unlimited plan now costs £12
[21:47] <Azelphur> but for £12.90 you can get unlimited from three, and three has better coverage
[21:47] <mgdm> ah
[21:48] <Azelphur> I hear that three has more aggressive anti-tethering measures though, although I'm sure it's nothing I couldn't bypass xD
[21:48] <Azelphur> I imagine bumping up TTL and using a VPN is autowin
[21:48] <Azelphur> mgdm: also, nerfing, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerf
[21:49] <popey> three has anti-tethering?
[21:49] <Azelphur> popey: someone told me it does
[21:49] <Azelphur> apparently it sends a message to the phone and then forces you to reboot the phone before internet can be used again
[22:57] <dogmatic69> popey: lol, that reply to your twitter was good.
[22:58] <dogmatic69> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:58] <popey> :D
[23:02] <brobostigon> good night everyone ,sleep well.