[07:08] hey all [07:09] morning davmor2 :) [07:10] christel: how's life down sowff [07:10] bit too busy but otherwise good :) [07:11] christel: is it not always a bit too busy though is that not the way of the life of a geek? === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [07:36] davmor2: you're on early [07:40] davmor2: i dunno, i'm not a geek ;) [07:44] hah [07:45] christel: you're funny [07:45] :P [07:45] * christel snuggles czajkowski [07:48] 13 [07:49] 12? [07:49] ;) [08:05] popey: best channel to ask about webapps stuff ? [08:10] czajkowski: when do you head to ireland? [08:11] thursday [08:11] aha! [08:22] Morning all === `Cat` is now known as NimChimpsky === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|lunch [08:29] Happy Monday, all! :-D [08:34] heya diplo, JamesTait \o/ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:35] czajkowski: there is an #ubuntu-webapps channel but it is fairly quiet [08:36] cheers [08:36] Any hackers here ever know anyone who has replaced a iPad2 glass front screen ? [08:43] ifixit [08:44] diplo, about to replace my touchpad front screen [08:46] czajkowski: i was on the train to pyconuk for the last time [08:47] * JamesTait hugs christel. [08:47] christel: you are So A Geek you little liar [08:47] Watching a few videos, not for me but a friend.. not sure I want to do it now watching these vids [08:48] good phrase to take out of context [08:49] :D [08:49] yeah, I wouldn't do it [08:49] will apple do it for your friend? [08:49] I'd be fine replacing the glass on my own device, but I'm not sure someone elses [08:49] £200 [08:49] 200 pound [08:50] how much is the part alone? [08:50] Just the glass broke, on ebay 15 pound + postage [08:50] worth a punt then :)_ [08:50] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Black-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-for-iPad-2-3g-Wifi-Both-Tools-/330802462383?pt=UK_iPad_Tablet_Accessories&hash=item4d055cfeaf#ht_2735wt_1090 [08:50] That's what I thought, loads of videos as well [08:50] i really want to change the disk in my imac but the thought of doing it makes me go "ugh!" [08:50] explaining where to be careful etc [08:50] need suction cups to remove the screen [08:51] ooh, rather you than me! [08:52] yeah [08:53] reverted it back from ubuntu to OSX at the weekend [08:56] good morning everyone. [08:57] Going to get some suction cups and give it a go then popey ? [08:57] maybe [08:57] I might when I upgrade my laptop to 550GB SSD, and put the 240GB SSD from the laptop in the iMac [08:59] I've got to start saving for a ssd [09:09] http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/owc-offers-up-imac-ssd-upgrade-kit-suction-cups-included-20120417/ [09:09] ooh! [09:09] popey: I had a video somewhere of a chap who did that quite successfully with a toilet plunger ;) [09:46] haha shauno === tristan_ is now known as Guest51187 [11:03] yay,, micro server just arrived [11:03] filled out the rebate form, nice!. popey thanks for pointing me at that [11:04] looking forward to a chance to start installing it and stuff now [11:05] need to run spinright on all my drives [11:05] have the 2 1TB and a 250GB in the drawer, so will manage to fill up the slots on the microserver quickly. [11:11] Anyone here use guake? [11:12] I'd like bug 1058073 to get enough attention that someone fixes it :) [11:12] Launchpad bug 1058073 in guake (Ubuntu) "The currently active tab looks very much like all the inactive ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058073 [11:12] BigRedS: i've not used it in a while. [11:12] BigRedS: is it much better than it used to be (say 2 years" [11:13] or is it much the same in gnome 3 as it was in gnome 2 [11:13] No idea, I didn't use it in Gnome 2 :) [11:13] hmm, ok [11:13] I went through a phase of thinking about how I did things and what software I was using when I was trying out different DEs at the end of Gnome 2's life [11:14] seems largely workable to me, what was wrong with it before? [11:14] I like unity and gnome3, [11:14] the quick find pattern i us alot now [11:14] use [11:14] yeah, I just want all the best bits of both to find their way into the same DE [11:14] just super key, type some letters, hit enter and ussually running what i want straight away [11:15] part of me wants xfce or something [11:16] i do begrudge the overhead [11:16] mm, I really like the gnome-shell/empathy tie-in with that pop-up at the bottom of the screen that I can type into [11:16] but i love the compositing desktop [11:16] but then I dislike empathy's general rubbishness... [11:16] empathy needs to be left in the dust or re-invented [11:17] Though i can't really comment on the latest and greatest. i'm on F16 right now for work [11:18] I should totally upgrade to F17, or else just ditch Fedora and go back to Ubuntu [11:18] Oh man, I tried fedora a bit for a while [11:18] It was really neat for about six hours and then just kept annoying me [11:18] MTA driver doesn't work right so i'm stuck using Airdroid to move stuff to and from my phone and nexus 7 [11:18] yeh, i like their effort to use the base gnome shell as the desktop [11:19] i think there needs to be gnome-shell and unity as substitute options [11:19] my distro-hopping's basically limited to Debian and Ubuntu now. Nothing else is close enough to debian to not irritate me... [11:19] for FC? [11:19] everywhere [11:19] haha [11:19] well, everything does gnome-shell, just gotta get porting unity! [11:19] and gnome 2, xfce and E17 :P [11:20] fvwm, enlightenment,lxde, flux box [11:20] all of em on the login session selector [11:21] i'd love it if kde 4 would become good and widely supported again [11:21] feel like it's loosing out a bit to the gnome 2/3 unity draw [11:27] losing out? I think KDE stopped being relevant shortly after KDE4 [11:27] yes, unfortunately [11:29] I once tried to switch to KDE for a whole cycle. It annoyed me so much I switched back after about 6 weeks [11:29] i've done this also [11:30] popey: the microserver, it arrived, i'm so excited to get cnfiguring, have you any pointers on the setup? [11:30] I have 8GB RAM in mine, and put a boot disk in the optical bay [11:31] so i have the other 4 bays available for big disks [11:31] and added a pci express esata card [11:31] I've got 2x250GB drvies and 2x1TB drives which will fill up the available slots for now, and i've a 2.5" 160GB drive which i could put in as OS disk [11:31] biggus diskus [11:31] :P [11:31] is there any bios jiggery pokery i should look at? [11:32] there's a grandparents' day? [11:32] * Laney eyes amazon suspiciously [11:32] alot of google results are going on about upping speed settings for the sata interfaces and changing to AHCI mode on the sata4/5 ports to allow them to be ssd's and the optical to be bootable [11:32] i haven't done any of that [11:32] speed on sata interfaces would be handy [11:32] hm, so myabe i don't need to [11:33] well, mine is IO bound a lot of the time [11:33] so i might need it [11:33] is yours an n40L or n36L? [11:33] yeh, they have 1Gb/s on the southbridge, can be upped to 3Gb/s apparently [11:33] N40l [11:33] interesting, might look at that [11:33] merrymailmanween! [11:33] welcome back to democracy! [11:35] hmm, sorry 1.5Gb/s can be upped to 3Gb/s [11:36] needs a homebrew looking bios for the N40L anyway, maybe not such a great plan? [11:36] not sure abuot the 36 [11:39] ah, you can switch the optical bay interface from IDE to AHCI which allows the faster sata mode transpport [11:39] and it's the same for the N36L [11:40] so you're not doing anything too scary [11:43] optical bay interface? [11:43] I'm using a SATA cable plugged into the mobo, socket near the front [11:43] the sata port that is fre for he optical drive bay [11:44] yeh, but according to the forum posters, the unmodded bios will only run that as IDE [11:44] interesting [11:44] i have an SSD on that port [11:44] so you'll only get about 97 Mb/s or 1Gb/s speed on it depending on other drive mode factors, where as AHCI mode will run at about 6Gb/s [11:45] also, pseudo hot pluggable :) [11:45] you have to spin down/de-activate in software the drives, but you can just hot plug them in and out then :) [11:45] neat [11:46] also the esata port will run faster, so i'm not sure if that's the port your external enclosure is connecting through, but it might even boost that performance too [11:48] some folks are reporting that their winblows install won't boot after switching modes, and they're saying the boot sector or boot config needs to be re-written to reflect it running in the sata mode instead of PATA [11:48] so not sure how that will affect an install under ubuntu/freenas [11:48] which are you running? [11:48] no, my external array is on a pcie card [11:48] ahh, of course [11:48] the internal card doesn't do PM [11:49] ubuntu server [11:49] yeh, you were saying, so you can't abstract multiple drives [11:49] maybe the internal port can be made more funcational again with bios mods [11:49] I'd be very surprised if it can [11:50] hmm, that's true, genearrly you need a true controller to do that really [11:50] interesting redaing the forums though [11:50] alot of coverage on avforums.com [11:52] alroight [11:52] gotta go back to programming, it'll be tomorrow before I get a change to bring in screwdrivers and attach drvies in place [11:53] that said, maybe i need to do this at home, don't have spare monitor in work. [12:01] popey: how is the tomato juice? [12:08] I watched popey's cho cho video yesterday on you tube and it flooded back loads of memories from my childhood as I used to live about a 1000 meters from Alton train station. I used to live on the main road directly opposite the doctors. [12:09] mumble in the jungle;) [12:11] AlanBell, yummy, nearly time for some more [12:11] I'd turned the ice machine off for the winter, turned it back on again :) [12:11] heh pinky- :) [12:11] my kids love steam trains almost as much as me [12:12] all I remember about the front of the train staion is the greasy spoon cafe and the motorbike shop [12:12] they still there? [12:14] popey: I liked your Ubuntu Unity Overview video [12:15] busy here and I'll be back later [12:15] bye for now [12:15] o/ [12:16] Laney: oi cheeeky! [12:16] * Flashtek is getting paid for sitting on his arse and doing nothing... [12:17] czajkowski: hm? [12:18] your G+ posting *if* :) [12:19] thank you pinky- [12:19] reality is bad [12:19] * Laney is excited for his shiny new PC coming tomorrow [12:19] => [12:19] ooh, what you getting? [12:20] * Laney is irritated at halifax declining the payment from his CC [12:20] phone call asking to call them back on some 0845 number with some cryptic reference number [12:20] doesn't repeat it, hangs up [12:21] i7-3770k, gtx 670, 32 gb ram, ssd [12:21] Laney, nice =) [12:21] my i5-2500k, gtx 560, 8gb ram, ssd and hdd starts getting old :( [12:22] heh [12:22] sounds newer than my current PC (4.5 years) [12:22] golly! [12:22] 32GB RAM!? [12:22] virtualise ALL the machines [12:22] aww, cat asleep under my desk [12:23] my board is maxed out at 24GB :p [12:23] tri channel since I'm on the old i7 [12:24] * popey wonders how much his mobo will take :) [12:24] my webkit test build just failed with out of memory [12:25] oof [12:25] hopefully will be able to build the beast in RAM on the new machine [12:26] hmm, mobo not listed on crucial.com/uk :( [12:27] dmidecode says MSI MS7680 [12:28] • Supports two unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3 1066/1333 DRAM, 16GB Max [12:42] Morning bigcalm ! [12:44] anyone know if its possible to use inkscape plugins via terminal? [12:45] Um, good afternoon popey! [12:48] popey: Am I wanted? [12:50] nope [12:50] Ok, just confused then [12:50] way to make a man feel good about himself popey! how very rude [12:52] * bigcalm tickles christel then goes back to work [12:52] popey: Love the idea for QR codes on devices, good find.. [12:52] * diplo adds to list 'to do' [12:56] bigcalm: Mooooooooooooooo! [12:56] bigcalm: 'Ow am ya [12:57] davmor2: busy, you? [12:58] bigcalm: enjoying playing breaking the raspberry pi ermmmm well at least the sdcard :D pycon uk [12:58] davmor2: which is why you aren't allowed anything nice [12:59] bigcalm: I got one :P I just want go crazy on the overclock for mine which we think is the issue but they are already trying to fix it [13:04] won't even [13:14] bug 1056814 [13:14] Error: Launchpad bug 1056814 could not be found [13:14] bah [13:20] popey: what's up dude and who was the random bug report aimed at [13:24] nobody [13:24] abusing the bot === NimChimpsky is now known as RadiumCat [13:58] has anyone ever seen a project on kickstarter go to release? o.O [13:58] It seems like all the cool things on kickstarter never make it and everyone is in limbo [14:00] Azelphur: You only need to look as far as Amanda Palmer, who managed to raise over $1M for her new album [14:00] yes [14:01] there are other projects that are close to release [14:01] i have received at least one thing from kickstarter [14:01] :p [14:01] fun [14:01] also, cards against humanity [14:01] that was a kickstarter, and you can buy that at amazon us [14:01] ah [14:01] and I know that exists because I've played it ;) [14:02] I've been waiting on power laces for so long xD [14:02] I have 3 more pending delivery now [14:02] I loooooooooooooove being on hold to ebuyer [14:02] they use ubuntu [14:02] fun [14:02] constant advertising [14:03] advertising to people who are doing something else? that'll never catch on! [14:05] ?! [14:05] I don't really care if it's caught on === `Cat` is now known as RadiumCat [14:15] popey: I'm still listening to that album you linked on G+ :) [14:15] heh, the one from nikki and the robots? [14:15] http://cerror.bandcamp.com/ - Rainbow Parade [14:16] * xnox 's housemate is English, he just said:"Can we call that bird a parrot, even though it's a massive pigeon!" [14:16] ah, could be from that, I didn't see [14:16] dwatkins: are you the dwatkins I think you are, or not? [14:17] xnox: that depends who you think I am... [14:17] dwatkins: OddBloke ?! [14:17] I am not odd. [14:17] I also don't use this nickname elsewhere. [14:18] hm.... Oddbloke is the irc nick name I know one Daniel Watkins. [14:18] unless my nephew has discovered IRC at the young age of 12, that's not me nor anyone I know ;) [14:24] /redraw [14:24] ^L [14:26] I had some trouble with a screen-nicklist script on ^L. [14:26] So I've been using /redraw. [14:26] I have no idea why it works better but it does. [14:27] I sometimes have redraw problems when there are colours or control characters on screen. I find it's less of an issue if I enable UTF. [14:42] good [14:42] convinced ebuyer and amazon to take payment [14:42] silly fraud prevention [14:50] http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadget-show/gadget-news/a-49-ipod-touch-killer-sign-us-up [14:50] golly [14:52] can't see that on amazon === `Cat` is now known as NimChimpsky [15:00] amazingly cheap $thing is not a killer of an amazingly expensive $thing for all values of $thing [15:01] does look good though [15:05] yea, looks pretty cool [15:06] popey: I'd compare it to the matrix one 7 as it's similarly priced [15:06] * AlanBell wonders if there are any current tablets that will run Ubuntu yet [15:07] * popey ran ubuntu on his [15:07] and i saw someone has ported it to the transformer [15:08] http://www.xda-developers.com/android/net-install-ubuntu-on-the-transformer-tf101/ [15:08] cool [15:09] Has anyone got NFC payments working in UK on a phone yet? :p [15:10] I'm trying to find a way to do it on my SGS3 but all the options seem restricted to not be used by me xD [15:10] I have a question about ubuntu support [15:11] how far does canonical go to support a webserver, for instance. That is, if a paying customer has an issue with apache, will canonical patch it? [15:13] http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/support [15:13] SuperMatt: depends really I guess, if you report a bug it could lead to stuff being backported to a supported release [15:14] right, ok [15:14] so here's the thing [15:14] how much support would I get from canonical with setting up an nginx server? would be it considerably less than an apache server? [15:15] !info nginx [15:15] nginx (source: nginx): small, but very powerful and efficient web server and mail proxy. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.19-1 (precise), package size 6 kB, installed size 84 kB [15:15] "In component universe" <- not in main [15:15] AlanBell: and that means nothing ;-) [15:15] really? [15:16] SuperMatt: contact ubuntu-advantage support and inquire of level of support offered for your use cases and which web-servers they'd rather support for your case. [15:16] so basically apache would definitely get more support than nginx. OK. That's the answer I need for my documentation. [15:16] SuperMatt: apache is the default in debian and ubuntu, due to features. [15:17] SuperMatt: more often you get better performance with nginx especially with respect to caching static files & serving webapps (php, ruby, python, etc). [15:18] xnox: indeed, it's certainly faster, I'm just wondering if the business is willing to trade speed against support [15:21] SuperMatt: put an enquiry in, and see the response. [15:40] Mayan Apocalypse Update: http://gizmodo.com/5947845/astronomers-discover-huge-comet-coming-towards-us [15:42] czajkowski: I love your bug 1058364 trianging, does that mean "you lived without that one email since forever, you can live without it further?!" =))))) [15:42] Launchpad bug 1058364 in Launchpad itself "not getting 'waiting for approval' email when sponsoring syncs when the archive is frozen" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058364 [15:42] xnox: it's a it's a nice to have but there is no dev happening but we dont mark things as wishlist [15:43] czajkowski: I see =) I never mastered the "art of politically correctly assigning bug status and priorities" [15:44] * xnox gets increasing amount of personal (hate) mail. [15:44] I get an increasing amout of people poking me in non work channels over me triaging them so we're even [15:46] * xnox meh [15:50] haha :( === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 [16:05] * popey adds a dash of sriracha to his tomato juice [16:11] Tomato juice.. VHY?! [16:17] MartijnVdS, yummy [16:17] and part of my 5 a day :) [16:20] MartijnVdS: Why not? [16:20] This is why we invented tomato soup and tomato sauce! [16:20] so we don't have to drink the juice! [16:25] i bought a box of 12 cartons which arrives tomorrow [16:25] i still haven't finished the two cartons i bought yesterday! [16:25] stage blood! [16:25] it's almost halloween [16:25] yeah, as people come trick-or-treating, I'll lob cups of juice over them [16:25] ou can make lovely tomatoe soup with tomatoe juice [16:25] awesome idea [16:26] *you [16:26] basil and tomatoe soup with fresh out of the oven hot bread rolls [16:26] am enjoying juice + ice + worcester sauce + sriracha [16:26] yummy [16:26] never heard of sriracha [16:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sriracha_sauce [16:26] yummy [16:26] makes _everything_ taste _better_ [16:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sriracha_%22Rooster_Sauce%22.jpg [16:27] do love me a bit of worcester sauce over a fried egg [16:27] I wonder how long it'll be before you're thoroughly sick of tomato juice, popey ;-) [16:27] I give it a week [16:27] when he glows red [16:27] :) [16:27] hehe [16:27] * popey checks to see if there are any medical side effects [16:29] there's a mildly unfortunate phrasing in your tweet [16:29] but anyway [16:29] next time you pour a bloody mary put a spike in it [16:30] oh? [16:30] lol [16:30] eeeevenin [16:31] Afternoon [16:31] hey bigcalm [16:31] have you tried the Ubuntu webapps preview in 12.04 ? [16:31] Nope, I use xubunu-desktop [16:31] hmm.. [16:32] Unity does not make me productive [16:32] i'm trying to install it and i get an error about borken packages [16:32] Well, if it's a preview... [16:32] hmm.. true. I did work a little while ago , but it seems to have a problem with the latest firefox [16:43] popey: ^^^ [16:43] I know he had some issue tday with FF not sure it's that though [16:44] knightwise, i dont think those PPAs are well maintained tbh [16:44] knightwise, it just about works in 12.10 :D [16:44] popey: thanx :) i'll just wait with implementing it [16:44] I realy liked it though === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:35] i don't like the messaging menu in quantal [17:37] the new icons are off palete [17:37] but i quite like that applications are named instead of 'chat' and 'mail' === `Cat` is now known as StrontiumCat === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [19:22] Good evening peeps :) [19:24] Evening bigcalm [19:26] hi all [19:27] would you be so kind to help me out upgrading to the latest Gnome? I'm running Gnome Shell on Ubuntu 12.04 [19:28] do I need to change PPA? [19:29] If you upgraded since adding the PPA, it will have been disabled, with the result that you're running the version that ships with Precise. [19:29] Otherwise, we can't know if you need to change PPA without knowing what PPA you're using. [19:30] Well, unless the answer is "You can't because something in it clashes with something important in Ubuntu", which I suppose is possible. I'm not up-to-date on the Gnome situation. Just applying general knowledge to the question :) [19:30] I'm using the Precise vanilla PPA [19:31] * popey shrugs [19:31] ...I'm not sure that makes sense. Do you mean the repositories that are active on vanilla Precise? Those aren't actually PPAs; they're the primary mirrors. [19:32] s/mirrors/archives/ - not that it makes any difference now that pr0ph3t's gone. [19:33] sorry didn't mean to be rude, just disconnected accidentally [19:34] oh please popey! Ok I'm not up-to-date on Ubuntu as I should be. So now we talk about primary mirrors [19:35] I meant archives, actually. My mistake. [19:35] i know nothing of gnome shell, sorry. [19:35] does it still work in a similar way? When I wanted to use beta/daily builds of certain packages I used to change the PPA [19:36] popey, I just said it because you shrugged [19:36] Um. A PPA is a small archive of packages hosted on launchpad. Technically it's a Personal Package Archive. It's a term usually used to distinguish PPAs from the main archives. There may be a gnome-shell PPA available for precise; my suggestion would be to log into launchpad and click the "search PPAs" link, then search for gnome-shell. [19:37] I do not think 3.6 is going to be in Precise, it is in Quetzal though [19:38] It's possible it'll be in precise-backports? I don't know, but it might be. [19:39] ok thank you, I'll have a look :-) [19:40] jbicha is the guy to ask === `Cat` is now known as NimChimpsky === `Cat` is now known as NimChimpsky [21:41] seems like giffgaff is nerfing the £10 goodybag :( [21:45] 'nerfing'? [21:46] fancy that [21:46] 1. offer too-good-to-be-true deal [21:46] mgdm: Making less ridiculously good. [21:46] 2. get loads of customers [21:46] 3. shutdown the offer [21:46] 4. profit [21:46] lol [21:46] Darael: it compares with other offerings after the nerf tbh [21:47] mgdm: £10 plan gets knocked down to 1GB instead of unlimited, unlimited plan now costs £12 [21:47] but for £12.90 you can get unlimited from three, and three has better coverage [21:47] ah [21:48] I hear that three has more aggressive anti-tethering measures though, although I'm sure it's nothing I couldn't bypass xD [21:48] I imagine bumping up TTL and using a VPN is autowin [21:48] mgdm: also, nerfing, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerf [21:49] three has anti-tethering? [21:49] popey: someone told me it does [21:49] apparently it sends a message to the phone and then forces you to reboot the phone before internet can be used again [22:57] popey: lol, that reply to your twitter was good. [22:58] cat /proc/cpuinfo [22:58] :D [23:02] good night everyone ,sleep well.