[03:23] <Sarvatt> ehoover: no need, googling it turned up the wine bug, easy test case attached there :)
[03:24] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31406
[03:24] <ehoover> Awesome, do you guys need anything else from me?
[03:25] <Sarvatt> nope! thanks again for that
[03:25] <ehoover> No, thank you guys so much for looking into it!
[07:25] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:25] <tjaalton> yo
[07:32] <mlankhorst> ok q-lts-backport updated to recent stack :p
[07:32] <mlankhorst> I think armhf would work too, but there was some fun interaction between the ti-omap ppa that will prevent it from working for now
[07:33] <tjaalton> x11-xserver-utils with xrandr snapshot uploaded
[07:33] <mlankhorst> needs a custom xorg-server + updated EGL binaries
[07:33] <tjaalton> heh
[07:36] <mlankhorst> which is about good enough to upload it to q-lts-backport I suppose, needs some solution for libgl1 though
[07:39] <mlankhorst> is it ok if I make people specify the solution manually for now?
[07:39] <tjaalton> what do you mean?
[07:39] <tjaalton> for arm?
[07:40] <mlankhorst> seems to require apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-quantal for now, else it removes a bunch of stuff
[07:40] <mlankhorst> but that was testing on arm, which doesn't use libgl
[08:20] <mlankhorst> I think I found the solution though if the abi requires different packaging in fglrx
[08:20] <mlankhorst> if there are conflicting packages they are simply deleted, and only added back if another package explicitly requires it
[08:34] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: should we upload qxl/r128/mga to satisfy those with ocd in http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html ?
[08:40] <tjaalton> ocd?
[08:45] <mlankhorst> obsessive compulsive
[08:46] <tjaalton> ah
[08:46] <tjaalton> -qxl needs newer spice
[08:46] <tjaalton> dunno if it's in yet, there's a ffe for it
[08:46] <mlankhorst> ah
[08:52] <tjaalton> hmm, so -qxl will be an issue
[08:53] <tjaalton> should probably drop it from -video-all for the backports
[08:53] <tjaalton> or backport spice too..
[08:56] <popey> is there an alternative to xrestop? it seems there's a bug in it upstream which causes it to kill x when you run it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=851885
[08:58] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I thought it was only a build-depends, though..
[08:58] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: how do you satisfy the b-dep without providing the binaries?
[08:58] <tjaalton> api changed
[08:59] <jcristau> popey: if xrestop crashes X that can't possibly be a bug in xrestop.
[09:08] <popey> jcristau, ok, noted :)
[09:13] <tjaalton> popey: yeah, please file it against the xserver
[09:31] <tjaalton> -r128 6.9.1 uploaded
[09:38] <tjaalton> and -mga 1.6.2
[09:41] <mlankhorst> yay
[09:45] <popey> ok tjaalton 
[09:49] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: we could just drop qxl for the backport, it's meant for new hardware enablement so no point in porting it
[09:49] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yeah
[10:07] <mlankhorst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/107849042/Stacktrace.txt oh fun
[10:13] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ping?
[10:13] <tjaalton> where's that from?
[10:13] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1014419
[10:14] <tjaalton> that's kinda old
[10:14] <mlankhorst> oh :p
[10:14] <tjaalton> i mean, we've gone via 1.12 to 1.13 now :)
[10:14] <mlankhorst> yeah
[10:15] <mlankhorst> but was looking at it because the backtrace was interesting and something that could theoretically still happen
[10:15] <mlankhorst> not sure if -core would help here
[11:35] <mlankhorst> oh another bug valgrind found in intel *sigh*
[12:09] <tjaalton> impossible :)
[12:37] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: can you upload intel?
[12:40] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yup, done
[12:40] <mlankhorst> thanks
[12:46] <mlankhorst> ok seems xorg-server is clean now on my intel system, *tries ati*
[12:47] <tjaalton> valgrind-wise?
[12:47] <mlankhorst> yeah just a lot of scary warnings from ioctl's
[12:48] <mlankhorst> maybe I should add some valgrind annotations to libdrm, so it will shut up about the ioctl's
[13:22] <mlankhorst> nouveau seems ok too
[14:41] <mlankhorst> argh just as I give it a all clear ati decides to crash on me, evil ati :(
[17:43] <ehoover> Sarvatt: There's a testcase for bug 1059276 that just used XCB directly, would you like me to update the description to link to that instead?
[18:58] <Sarvatt> did i enable the patch system properly in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118032526/libxcb_1.8.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[18:58] <Sarvatt> ehoover: yeah can ya just add that one too?
[19:08] <ehoover> Sarvatt: I don't know what you're asking (sorry, was down in the lab).
[19:08] <Sarvatt> ya said you had a testcase that uses xcb directly?
[19:13] <jcristau> Sarvatt: there's one attached to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54671
[19:16] <ehoover> Yeah, I've just finished adding the XCB test case to the description.
[19:17] <ehoover> I meant the "did i enable the patch system properly"?
[19:18] <ehoover> Sarvatt: oops, it looks like I might have overriden your description changes.
[19:18] <Sarvatt> no biggie, had them saved
[20:17] <bryceh> Sarvatt, on bug 1059276, need sponsorship?
[20:19] <Sarvatt> bryceh: would be much appreciated, but the ppa finally finished publishing so i'm about to try it out now first to be sure it fixes the test cases
[20:19] <Sarvatt> had to use a ppa because its a pain in the butt building those for both arches :P
[20:19] <bryceh> Sarvatt, okie doke.  Ping me if/when you're ready for uploads
[20:20] <Sarvatt> these humble games make me desperately want delta debs :)
[20:20] <Sarvatt> redownloading 2gb just for a package dependency change is a PITA
[20:21] <mlankhorst> heya
[20:22] <Sarvatt> bryceh: both test cases pass, ship it!
[20:22] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: it's nuts how much you play that game :)
[20:23] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: doing it with a friend, not alone
[20:23] <mlankhorst> helping him test the mod he's writing for a school project
[20:23] <Sarvatt> oh only 148 hours.. seems like every time i log in you're in it :) RAOF has you beat in civ 5!
[20:23] <mlankhorst> if it was alone I would have been long bored with it
[20:24] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: because you log in when I play :p
[20:24] <mlankhorst> and it's evening here lol
[20:24] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: wow, 31 days playing TF2. you are the winner :)
[20:24] <mlankhorst> haha
[20:24] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: and that's only after it started recording..
[20:25] <mlankhorst> but I have a live now, I think
[20:26] <Azelphur> pfft, 31 days is nothing
[20:26] <Azelphur> http://steamcommunity.com/id/Azelphur/
[20:26] <Sarvatt> holy crap :)
[20:26] <Azelphur> xD
[20:27] <mlankhorst> it's not world of warcraft o.O
[20:27] <Azelphur> I been there and done that with WoW too :D
[20:27] <Azelphur> but nah, most of my TF2 time is idling, since you can get free stuff just by going afk haha
[20:28] <mlankhorst> nothing to be proud of, more ashamed of
[20:28] <Azelphur> haha
[20:28] <Azelphur> obviously havn't played TF2 for 6000+ hours, xD
[20:31] <mlankhorst> you do realize you only get a fixed amount of items per week right?
[20:31] <Azelphur> you do now, you didn't originally
[20:31] <Azelphur> which is where I built up about 4500 of those 6000 hours xD
[20:31] <mlankhorst> oh right, bet you don't have cheater's lament, then
[20:31] <Azelphur> amusingly, I do
[20:31] <mlankhorst> aw
[20:31] <Azelphur> and I cheated
[20:31] <mlankhorst> I hate you
[20:32] <Azelphur> haha
[20:33] <Azelphur> mlankhorst: if your into items, check out page 6 http://tf2items.com/id/azelphur
[20:34] <mlankhorst> I don't care about that :p
[20:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:35] <Azelphur> I do it all under wine too, btw \o/
[20:43] <bryceh> Sarvatt, the ppa packages are identical to the debdiffs, other than the version number (and precise-proposed)?
[20:46] <bryceh> yep looks like
[20:47] <bryceh> Sarvatt, upload sponsored
[20:50] <Sarvatt> bryceh: yep sure are, thank you for that! I didn't want to harass you guys so just subscribed sponsors
[20:54] <bryceh> Sarvatt, no prob, was in the mood to upload something ;-)
[20:55] <bryceh> well, actually, I'm thrilled to see our graph going down at this stage in the release (this hasn't happened before afaik!)  http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/ubuntu-x-swat/Reports/totals-quantal-workqueue.svg
[20:56] <mlankhorst> nouveau's likely going to stay open though
[20:56] <mlankhorst> :(
[20:56] <mlankhorst> but yeah I tried valgrinding some, it really does help finding some bugs proactively
[20:58] <bryceh> mlankhorst, to get them off this graph it's sufficient to simply get them forwarded upstream
[20:58] <mlankhorst> ah
[20:58] <bryceh> bugs that have open upstream bug tasks are excluded from the count
[20:58] <bryceh> (the graph is trying to only count "bugs we can actually do some action on")
[20:59] <mlankhorst> bryceh: I mean more in finding bugs early also means there's not going to be bug reports about them
[20:59] <mlankhorst> having valgrind and all the -dbg symbols for easy local backtracing does help a lot
[20:59] <Sarvatt> wow, and i haven't even been looking at many public bugs this cycle because we're swimming in so many private ones
[20:59] <bryceh> also, if bug reports don't make sense, setting them to incomplete with a question to the reporter also excludes them from the list
[20:59] <mlankhorst> ah k
[21:00] <mlankhorst> but for nouveau, what's the point of doing bug reports if upstream won't look at it :-(
[21:01] <bryceh> mlankhorst, Sarvatt yeah there's been a lot less bug filing this cycle, which is either great news, or means all our users are sticking to 12.04 ;-)
[21:01] <mlankhorst> HEY! I'm on 12.04!!
[21:01] <Sarvatt> hell I stuck to 12.04 until 2-3 weeks ago :)
[21:02] <bryceh> that's two data points to proving the latter!
[21:02] <bryceh> actually three, I'm on 12.04 too (since the valve stuff targets 12.04)
[21:02] <mlankhorst> bryceh: but in my case it's since I need to keep testing the X stack, and I'm actually on quantal for stuff that matters..
[21:03] <tjaalton> i have only my main desktop still on 12.04, and probably will update to the backport stack at some point
[21:03] <bryceh> mlankhorst, yup.  it's awesome how much more serious attention we're all putting on 12.04.  I thought 10.04 got a lot of post-release attention but it was nothing like we're doing with 12.04
[21:04] <mlankhorst> well I want things to just work, I did actually hit that synaptics suspend bug on my laptop at one point
[21:07] <bryceh> mlankhorst, if -nouveau is complete fubar, what's going to happen when that gets backported to 12.04 via your lts stack?
[21:09] <bryceh> some of those nouveau bugs may be dupes, like all the screen corruption issues
[21:10] <mlankhorst> bryceh: well people don't HAVE to use the new stuff, so if they don't things stay the same
[21:13] <Sarvatt> ugh libxcb-util soname bump, thats going to need a lot of rebuilds next cycle
[21:14] <jcristau> again?
[21:15] <Sarvatt> back in may
[21:15] <jcristau> ah
[21:15] <jcristau> meh, it has like 3 rdeps
[21:15] <Sarvatt> oh thought it was more for some reason, intel driver at least
[21:15] <jcristau> or am i thinking of something else
[21:15] <jcristau> hmm
[21:16] <jcristau> yeah i think i'm just confused
[21:17] <Sarvatt> util-wm had a bunch of obscure window managers i had to rebuild in edgers last time, that got a bump too
[21:18] <mlankhorst> bryceh: yeah probably although it depends if their cards are simialr enough or not :-)
[21:19] <mlankhorst> closed one more bug, muaha
[21:19] <bryceh> mlankhorst, tomorrow would you mind browsing through them and duping whichever ones do look similar?
[21:19] <mlankhorst> sure
[21:20] <bryceh> awesome, thanks
[21:22] <jcristau> Sarvatt: ah right xcb-util was deferred in june because of the upcoming wheezy freeze back then
[21:23] <jcristau> hrm
[21:23] <jcristau> looks like the soname bump was avoidable...
[21:24] <mlankhorst> omap one closed too, seemed to have been invalid :p
[21:26] <mlankhorst> bryceh: are you not tracking geode or is there no bug for it?
[21:29] <bryceh> mlankhorst, hmm, thought we were tracking that, no reason not to.  lemme check
[21:29] <tjaalton> no bugs on quantal
[21:30] <tjaalton> for geode
[21:30] <mlankhorst> I'm fairly sure the fix I did just leaves it working on a compile level only, so it's probably more evidence nobody is using it
[21:30] <mlankhorst> either that or the fix did work
[21:30] <bryceh> yes we are tracking it, just no quantal bugs like tjaalton says
[21:31] <tjaalton> the maintainer was pinging me some time ago, wanted to sync some cleanup version so I guess it works as is
[21:31] <bryceh> the type of user for geode is unlikely to care about non-lts releases.  And actually might be they all just stick with 10.04 or something home built.  It's rather appliance-ish
[21:32] <tjaalton> oh we could sync 2.11.13-6
[21:32] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: ah :-)
[21:33] <bryceh> tjaalton, wasn't there an exa update or something for it?
[21:33] <tjaalton> bryceh: not sure
[21:33] <tjaalton> and actually, our version is newer than on debian, so can't sync it
[21:33] <tjaalton> remember telling him that..
[21:33] <Sarvatt> err, noone can even use geode on 12.10 can they since its PAE only?
[21:34] <mlankhorst> quite possibly
[21:34] <tjaalton> you can't install it
[21:34] <tjaalton> :)
[21:34]  * Sarvatt looks it up
[21:34] <tjaalton> he keeps syncing from git but doesn't touch the upstream version, so meh
[21:36] <Sarvatt> not seeing any geodes that support PAE and 12.04 was the last release with a non PAE kernel so.. yeah
[21:38] <mlankhorst> can we drop it from main then?
[21:38] <tjaalton> and -video-all
[21:38] <tjaalton> same thing
[21:38] <mlankhorst> yeah :p
[21:39]  * mlankhorst prepares salutory parting shot
[21:40] <mlankhorst> cirrus too? should be using modesetting driver by now
[21:40] <tjaalton> is it?
[21:40] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: they just disabled the cirrus drm driver
[21:40] <bryceh> I think I have one of the geodes in some drawer somewhere, if anyone wants it.  has to be booted via PXE
[21:41] <stgraber> hmm, most geodes won't boot anyway
[21:41] <Sarvatt> -modesetting wasn't working as good as -cirrus or something
[21:42] <stgraber> they died when we started being pure i686
[21:42] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: sigh, ok
[21:42] <stgraber> except for some Geode LX that are i686 and may still boot
[21:43] <mlankhorst> geode lx should work, using shadowfb
[21:43] <mlankhorst> earlier actually had hardware acceleration and won't work for sure
[21:45] <mlankhorst> ok pushed the commit for xorg to kill off geode, can anyone upload it?
[21:46] <mlankhorst> and bed
[21:46] <mlankhorst> night all :-)
[21:48] <tjaalton> same
[22:27]  * mlankhorst steals bryceh's steam key
[22:30] <bryceh> heh
[22:58] <Prf_Jakob> So who do I need to buy a beer/whiskey to get into the Steam beta? :-)
[23:00] <mlankhorst> well make hellstrom come to uds :p
[23:01] <Prf_Jakob> 3 kids of which two are ~1 year old twins makes that unlikely :-/
[23:01] <Prf_Jakob> Where is it btw?
[23:02] <mlankhorst> copenhagen
[23:02] <Prf_Jakob> Oh thats actually close.
[23:02] <Prf_Jakob> Send him a email
[23:03] <Prf_Jakob> ~4h car ride
[23:04] <mlankhorst> i will
[23:05] <Prf_Jakob> I will try and make it as well
[23:05] <Prf_Jakob> Even tho I'm on leave from VMware right now.
[23:05] <Sarvatt> worst part about not going to UDS in copenhagen - finding out valve will be there the week after you realize you can't go :(
[23:06] <mlankhorst> cant you pay extra to get passport done sooner? :p
[23:06] <mlankhorst> here you can get it in the next day instead of next week if you pay some extra
[23:06] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: i already mailed mine off, i coulda got it done the same day for money if i realized it would take 1.5 months through the mail :(
[23:08] <Sarvatt> yeah i live right outside of dc where the passports are made, i got my last one 10 years ago done the same day, tried to save $100 this time, big mistake
[23:09] <Prf_Jakob> Is UDS invite only btw?
[23:09] <Sarvatt> nope
[23:09] <Sarvatt> invite only if you are expecting it to be sponsored and paid for by canonical
[23:10] <Prf_Jakob> Ah ok
[23:10] <RAOF> Everyone else is welcome to rock up!
[23:11] <Prf_Jakob> 3:46h train ride for $50 (one way).
[23:11] <RAOF> Damn Europeans and their awesome transit systems.
[23:12] <Sarvatt> I know right..
[23:12] <Prf_Jakob> Also not that far away...
[23:12] <Sarvatt> hotel will probably be nuts though
[23:12] <mlankhorst> pssh sleep on t he conference floor or party all night with caffein :p
[23:16] <Prf_Jakob> $957 for the whole thing.
[23:19] <mlankhorst> so you don't need any food? >:-)
[23:19] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: UDS discount rates?
[23:19] <Sarvatt> UDS includes breakfast and dinner
[23:19] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: yes
[23:19] <Sarvatt> err lunch
[23:19] <Sarvatt> just not dinner
[23:19] <Prf_Jakob> $957 for the hotel.
[23:20] <Prf_Jakob> According to XE.com
[23:20] <Sarvatt> oh was hoping you could save more by using the discount rate, they almost always have one
[23:20] <Prf_Jakob> Well thats for what 5nights.
[23:22] <RAOF> So you can visit Legoland!
[23:23] <Prf_Jakob> Haha
[23:23] <mlankhorst> RAOF: do you have a roomie yet?
[23:23] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I don't think so, no.
[23:25] <mlankhorst> want one?
[23:25]  * RAOF is just trying to find the wiki page to see if he has one already :)
[23:25] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: You might need start working on sponsering Thomas btw, I'm not sure we have started a new budget quarter yet.
[23:25] <mlankhorst> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/UDS/R/PeopleName
[23:26] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: its too late afaik :(
[23:26] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: oh okay :-/
[23:28] <RAOF> Currently getting the lucky dip roomie!
[23:28] <Sarvatt> dip roomie?
[23:28] <mlankhorst> panda died on me! argh
[23:28] <mlankhorst> back
[23:29] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: get a laptop for use in your bed, argh :)
[23:29] <mlankhorst> haha
[23:29] <mlankhorst> i'll take the eee one again
[23:29] <mlankhorst> but leave it in my room :P
[23:34] <bryceh> wb RAOF 
[23:34] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: why are you up at 1:34? :P
[23:34] <RAOF> Three day weekends are pretty good :)
[23:35] <RAOF> Pity I don't have enough leave to make every weekend a 3-day weekend :)
[23:35] <Sarvatt> RAOF: .au holiday?
[23:35] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Using up my leave.
[23:35] <Sarvatt> oh gotcha :)
[23:39] <bryceh> RAOF, btw you may want to read the TB irc log from today; I got some clarifications on what you can do vis a vis all the nvidia experimental stuff.  tl;dr TB considers you empowered to handle all the approvals for getting into -precise
[23:39] <RAOF> bryceh: Excellent. Will look into them.
[23:39] <Sarvatt> RAOF grew superpowers while on vacation :)
[23:40] <RAOF> Maybe next Monday I'll grow more!
[23:40]  * RAOF has taken Mondays off for pretty much the rest of the year.
[23:40] <bryceh> RAOF, also I jotted down my understanding of all the process steps for this at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/DriverUpdates with links to the TB discussions.
[23:40] <mlankhorst> oh speaking of which we need to sru llvm-3.1 to precise too :p
[23:40] <bryceh> actually they decided no new powers, just implied powers gained from the previous TB :-)
[23:40] <Sarvatt> RAOF: thats US sundays so noone in the US will notice :)
[23:41] <RAOF> mlankhorst: For the purposes of backportage?
[23:41] <mlankhorst> yeah and new wayland
[23:41] <RAOF> That's going to start getting nasty.
[23:42] <mlankhorst> it's actually a clean standalone package so not that hard
[23:45] <mlankhorst> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport/+packages is cleaned up mostly
[23:49] <RAOF> Wayland could get nasty should something actually start using it :)
[23:50] <bryceh> quite
[23:51] <mlankhorst> RAOF: at that point the api is presumably stable enough to build mesa with
[23:51] <RAOF> That would indeed be the hope, yes.
[23:59] <mlankhorst> worst case we rename it but things can only improve by putting in a new wayland