[08:14]  * smartboyhw finds the channel log yesterday a bit too long:P
[08:18] <smartboyhw> To read:P
[10:26] <ttoine> hi all
[10:26] <ttoine> falktx_: are you here ?
[10:27] <falktx_> ttoine: yes
[10:28] <ttoine> great
[10:28] <falktx_> ttoine: what's up?
[10:28] <ttoine> falktx_: Just would like to know if the jackd2 is multi cpu ?
[10:28] <falktx_> kind of
[10:28] <falktx_> is more muti-core than jack1 for sure
[10:29] <falktx_> the processing is still done in a single thread, but non-processing stuff is done on a separate one
[10:29] <ttoine> falktx_: starting one new business, maybe two. take a lot of time, but I try to do my best to continue to test audio for Ubuntu Studio
[10:29] <falktx_> jack1 does everything on the same thread, that's why you sometimes ear clicks when connecting ports with jack1
[10:30] <ttoine> falktx_: ok. is there a difference between jackdsmp and jackd2 ?
[10:30] <falktx_> no, jackdmp is just the old name
[10:30] <falktx_> very old name actually
[10:30] <ttoine> falktx_: and you, what's up ?
[10:30] <ttoine> ok
[10:30] <falktx_> I'm fine, I guess
[10:30] <falktx_> working on a all-in-one plugin toolkit now...
[10:31] <ttoine> falktx_: tell me more ;-)
[10:31] <falktx_> I'm not sure if I'll do anything useful with it, so I'm not showing off anything yet
[10:31] <falktx_> to don't get any hopes up
[10:32] <ttoine> by the way, adding your repos from kxstudio to ubuntu add a lot of stuff. some audio plugin needs some fixing
[10:32] <falktx_> please do tell, which one?
[10:32] <ttoine> but it is possible to do good work
[10:32] <ttoine> wait a second, it is not on the same workstation
[10:46] <ttoine> falktx_: the serie of nedko arnaudov
[10:46] <ttoine> the rotary button are bugged
[10:46] <ttoine> it is not possible to set the plugin
[10:48] <ttoine>  But if I had a bit of money I would buy the Linux DSP collection and drop the amateur plugin, I think
[10:53] <falktx_> hm, are you sure it's broken?
[10:53] <falktx_> maybe isn't just not working the way you suppose it is ?
[11:00] <ttoine> falktx_: if I use the mouse to "turn" a button, the button don't work the way it should
[11:01] <falktx_> ah, the infame mouse event
[11:01] <ttoine> so it is not possible to use this plugin
[11:01] <falktx_> wait, I though you were refrerring to mouse wheel
[11:01] <falktx_> to use that plugin you first need to activate the filters
[11:02] <ttoine> some other LV2 plugins crash Ardour. It take a lot of time to test them all, but I will do my best to test them all
[11:02] <falktx_> activate master first, then the sub-filters, then move the knobs
[11:02] <falktx_> ttoine: there's no point on testing all plugins. I know some are broke, that's just how it is
[11:02] <falktx_> we can't control or force developers to fix their apps/plugins
[11:03] <falktx_> some just give up on coding them for some reason...
[11:03] <ttoine> falktx_: but where could we report that they are broken ? I mean that if we know that they are broken, you could put them in an other repo (like bleeding edge)
[11:04] <ttoine> because it is very very annoying to crash an ardour session...
[11:04] <falktx_> well, I tried to contact the authors of some broken plugins, no replies
[11:04] <falktx_> and nedko gave up on lv2 coding now
[11:04] <falktx_> ttoine: if you know which one causes a crash, please let me know
[11:05] <falktx_> I can at least not install it by default
[11:05] <ttoine> via irc ?
[11:05] <falktx_> and put it into the broken repo
[11:05] <falktx_> ttoine: sure, or email
[11:05] <falktx_> falktx /at/ falktx.com
[11:06] <ttoine> falktx_: ok
[11:06] <falktx_> not that I'm really counting on it, but the message is sent :)
[11:07] <ttoine> For the video edition, I hope that Lightwork will soon be released for Linux. It will solve the mess with Open Shot / Cinelerra etc... with a great open source professional application, with support etc...
[11:08] <ttoine> At the moment, for audio, MixBus is a good tool, I tried it with some pro of my friends and they were very enthusiast with it
[11:09] <ttoine> For publishing we miss a better support of quadri color in graphic apps but it is "on the way"
[11:10] <ttoine> so i think that Ubuntu Studio will soon be something very good
[11:10] <ttoine> perhaps not this release, but next one should be great
[11:37] <falktx_> kdenlive is actually very good
[11:37] <falktx_> its audio support sucks though
[12:11] <smartboyhw> Hello scott-work 
[12:11] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw 
[12:21] <ailo-w> Might as well say, good MD&E
[12:21] <ailo-w> Morning, Day & Evening
[12:21] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, what is MD&E?:P
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Ah
[12:22] <ailo-w> I just made it up
[12:22] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:22] <ailo-w> Getting late in HK, while here, it's daytime
[12:22] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, yes it is 8:22 PM (38 minutes to fireworks display YEAH!)
[12:23] <ailo-w> Fireworks? What's the occasion?
[12:23] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, national day
[12:23] <ailo-w> Oh, didn't know about that. I've been to HK once, during December. 
[12:23] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, oh!
[12:24] <ailo-w> Spent about a week there. Lived on a roof flat
[12:24] <ailo-w> Kitchen was out doors
[12:24] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, gee:P
[12:24] <ailo-w> It was nice. I liked it
[12:24] <ailo-w> Nice winter weather too
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Good then:P
[12:24] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, winter is good but summer is damn hot:P
[12:24] <ailo-w> I can imagine..
[12:25] <smartboyhw> 30-35 degrees celsius;;;P
[12:26] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, anything you want to add to the post-installation testcase?
[12:27] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: I'll need to think about it. I'll have another go at the whole testcase at least once more before your deadline
[12:27] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, OK:)
[12:27]  * smartboyhw wonders will len-dt add anything:P
[12:53] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, do you have Ubuntu Studio 12.04?
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Or just anybody 
[13:01] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Not on it atm. I'm on 12.04 though
[13:02] <smartboyhw> ok
[14:00] <smartboyhw> scott-work, the blueprint items......skaet told me to mark it postponed if you can't make it in the Q cycle. So should I mark it all?
[14:01] <scott-work> that's fine, smartboyhw , i was planning on doing the same soon
[14:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK.
[14:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, is this page done? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TestingQA-ISOImages
[14:02] <smartboyhw> If then I will mark the testing items in there DONE instead of POSTPONED.
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Also ailo_ check your work items
[14:05] <smartboyhw> scott-work, maybe I will just sent an email to everybody telling them to change their work items to POSTPONED if they can't make it to the cycle. That is better I think.
[14:06] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i think that page is as done as it is going to get currently
[14:06] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:06] <scott-work> smartboyhw: oh, okay, yes, please send an email if you prefer
[14:06]  * smartboyhw prefers sending the email:P
[14:15] <smartboyhw> scott-work, need to ask you about this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-q-theme-artwork
[14:16] <smartboyhw> should all items be changed to POSTPONED?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> len-dt, if you are here change your work items too
[14:41] <scott-work> smartboyhw: feel free to mark all of mine (and those not assigned directly to a person) as postponed
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Wow OK
[14:41] <knome> scott-work, hey :)
[14:41] <scott-work> hi knome 
[14:42] <knome> scott-work, what's up with life and work outside OS?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> knome: On the work part of scott-work let me paste you something
[14:51] <smartboyhw> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1254003/
[14:52] <knome> yup
[14:55] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i read it
[14:55] <smartboyhw> scott-work, er it is your own lines;P
[14:56] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i realize that, but i am not sure what point you are trying to make
[14:56] <scott-work> these are factual statements, i have already told my bigger boss 1/2 of it
[14:56] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I just want to tell knome the part of your work since he asked about it
[14:56] <scott-work> i will engage him with the other 1/2 in a week when i have it written
[14:57] <scott-work> smartboyhw: ah, i understand
[14:57] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:09] <ailo_> Ah, Scott disappeard
[15:09] <smartboyhw> yes:(
[15:10] <knome> more likely his network :P
[15:10] <ailo_> smartboyhw: Make a post about it in our -devel list, if you like. 
[15:11] <ailo_> I wouldn't mind adding it, anyway.
[15:11] <ailo_> Seems like a small change
[15:11] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:12] <smartboyhw> ailo_, maybe let me try to add it:P
[15:13] <ailo_> smartboyhw: There's no hurry with that. The important thing is whether it is added or not, not who adds it
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Ah. I am sending the email. (Also with some testcase change
[15:14] <ailo_> smartboyhw: I'm sure that if you keep working on US as you have been doing now, and show you make responsible decisions, there will be no problem adding you to the dev team
[15:15] <smartboyhw> ok
[15:21] <smartboyhw> ailo_, here's what I am going to do. Add lmms to the ubuntustudio-recording seed, push it to my own branch, and ask for a merge request. So if you guys don't wanna add it don't merge:P
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Or is the generation seed better on this?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> ....
[15:27] <smartboyhw> wb scott-work 
[15:27] <smartboyhw> scott-work, we are discussing about making lmms into the seeds.....Which seed, recording or generation, is better to put in?
[15:29] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i would want to understand what people expected to accomplish with lmms, which other applications might be required to do that, and then consider which seed
[15:29] <scott-work> not trying to be coy
[15:29] <scott-work> but having these answers pretty much tells you what you want to know
[15:30] <smartboyhw> scott-work, hmm people expect to generate music (aka audio) and the other packages include librtaudio4, librtmidi1. libstk0c2a, lmms-common so I think should be in recording seed
[15:32] <scott-work> the origins of the work flows was to prevent from including applications "because they should be there"
[15:32] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ah:P
[15:32] <scott-work> what happened is we had a lot of disparate applications that people really couldn't _do anything_
[15:32] <scott-work> other than run the application :P
[15:33] <smartboyhw> scott-work, even ailo_ agrees:P
[15:33] <scott-work> so, if we can create a step-by-step process, we will be able to probably determine what needs to be done (from our end)
[15:33] <smartboyhw> ooh
[15:34]  * scott-work thought lmms was more about electronic music, which probably includes synths, and expected that it might go into 'generation' rather than 'recording' seed, but is not fully appraised of lmms or the work flow one might use
[15:37] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:38] <ailo_> scott-work: I believe lmms is a first choice for people who 1. Aren't very technical 2. Like to make electronic musc
[15:39] <smartboyhw> scott-work, anyway I proposed merge
[15:40] <scott-work> smartboyhw: are you short cutting the process? are there other applications that the typical lmms user might want to support their work flow?
[15:40] <ailo_> I'd label it a DAW, but it's not like a tape recorder
[15:41] <ailo_> lmms is a one-in-all app
[15:41] <scott-work> ailo_: ah, okay. thank you ailo :)
[15:41] <ailo_> For those who don't need anything else than it offers
[15:43] <smartboyhw> scott-work, initial proposin:P
[15:44] <ailo_> I think for some people, lmms is used as an instrument too. It has some builtin instruments
[15:45] <ailo_> If qtractor is similar to Cubase, than lmms is similar to FL Studio. 
[15:45] <ailo_> Usually people who make electronic music would choose FL Studio, while studio recording bands would choose Cubase
[15:46] <ailo_> Ardour of course, is more of a pro recording tool, but has still been lacking on the midi department
[15:47] <smartboyhw> I announce we now got upgrade testcases in ISO Tracker!
[15:47] <smartboyhw> ailo_, could you check what workitems in the Quantal blueprints that you can
[15:48] <ailo_> smartboyhw: I'll do that later today
[15:48] <smartboyhw> not do it in the cycle? Please change it to POSTPONED 
[15:48] <smartboyhw> ailo_, OK thanks:P
[15:58] <smartboyhw> Bye all
[20:20] <astraljava> Hmmm... we already have hydrogen and qtractor, how much more benefit does lmms bring to a user?
[20:32] <ailo_> astraljava: Hydrogen is a drum machine, with a sequencer
[20:32] <ailo_> qtractor is an allround DAW
[20:33] <ailo_> lmms is a category of its own, for people used to use software like FL Studi
[20:33] <ailo_> If you have experience with how people like to use different software for creating music, you'll find that there are "types". One is a lmms type
[20:35] <ailo_> Can anyone explain why my XFCE submenu is displaying its parents name, instead of the <Name>Myname</Name>?
[20:35] <ailo_> I'm just about ready to commit changes to -settings
[20:37] <ailo_> len-dt: ^
[20:45] <ailo_> Doesn't make any sense. Pretty sleepy now. Hearing the Twilight Zone theme in my head
[21:10] <ailo_> I can't spend more time on this. I hate these little errors
[21:21] <ailo_> len-dt: Where does <Directory> point?
[21:24] <ailo_> Found it
[21:46] <ailo_> micahg: ubuntustudio-default-settings uploaded
[22:17] <len-dt> ailo_, Micah is off a few days. May be best to remind him when back.
[22:18] <ailo_> len-dt: He said he might upload on Tuesday. Just letting him know it's done
[22:18] <ailo_> I mean, that the push is done 
[22:18] <len-dt> The menu title is whatever is in the *.directory file
[22:18] <ailo_> Yeah, I discovered those
[22:19] <ailo_> So, there's a new submenu now, for Video Production, "Audio Tools", which only has one item
[22:19] <len-dt> Or if there is no directory file it may use something else. The menu name in the config file just seems to be there so it can be included as a sub menu.
[22:19] <len-dt> OK
[22:20] <ailo_> I think the menu name is there so you can call it with <Menuname>
[22:20] <len-dt> My netbook video has gone bad
[22:20] <ailo_> Sorry, mixing things up now
[22:20] <len-dt> The bios display doesn't even show
[22:20] <len-dt> The backlight is fine
[22:21] <ailo_> len-dt: Did you try using an external monitor?
[22:21] <len-dt> but no video. :P  so I tried plugging in an external monitor and I get video on both the internal and external... and when I unplug the external the internal continues to work till reboot.
[22:22] <len-dt> Sigh
[22:22] <ailo_> Weird
[22:23] <ailo_> micahg: To clarify: Not uploaded. Pushed.
[22:23] <len-dt> Ya, I will have to keep a monitor nearby... Wonder if it will work with one that is powered down
[22:23] <len-dt> Commited
[22:24] <ailo_> Commits are local, until they are pushed
[22:24] <ailo_> Except on bzr, if you didn't do a branch
[22:24] <ailo_> I did a branch. Commited, and then pushed
[22:24] <len-dt> Ya, but when pushed it becomes committed in thge main branch
[22:25] <ailo_> I'd say, the commits get pushed into the main branch
[22:25] <len-dt> When adding things to a bug report, the word committed means the main branch has the commit.
[22:26] <len-dt> Not worth worrying about though.
[22:26] <len-dt> Just if you hear someone elase say committed, it probably means it has been pushed too
[22:26] <ailo_> The action you do to put the new code up, is by pushing. The change itself is in commits
[22:27] <ailo_> I'm gonna drop dead now. Getting really late
[22:27] <len-dt> GN
[22:28] <ailo_> It will be :)