=== m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [01:44] robert_ancell: I'm trying to figure out how to fix the missing a11y themes [01:45] jbicha, patching them back in? [01:45] well we can't do a normal quilt patch since those don't work for binary files [01:45] yeah, that's as far as I got :) [01:45] stupid dpkg/quilt [01:46] maybe I could hack something together with debian/rules re-adding the files [02:10] Add uuencoded files in the patch, uudecode in debian/rules. [02:10] jbicha: ^^ [02:11] eww, is that really the best option? [02:12] It's a fairly common option. [02:13] since we're moving two entire directories, I'd rather figure out the 2-3 lines I need to add in debian/rules [02:19] dpkg-source: info: using source format `3.0 (quilt)' [02:19] dpkg-source: error: unwanted binary file: debian/LowContrast/icons/48x48/devices/input-mouse.png [02:19] yikes, that's not working either :( [02:20] jbicha: you need to list binaries you want to include [02:20] jbicha: see man dpkg-source [02:20] it's something like ./debian/source/included-binaries [02:20] or something. [02:20] but check the manpage for syntax and correct name [02:21] works much better than uuencode. Or ship the binary files anywhere in ./debian/ dir and move them about as needed. === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [04:06] well we can't do a normal quilt patch since those don't work for binary file [04:07] The two UIFE's I'm watching that still haven't landed yet (!) are [04:07] http://pad.lv/cial icon 1056191 [04:07] Good morning [04:08] http://pad.lvdisable online search results option to System Settings>Privacyg [04:11] uif [04:12] sudo dpkg -i ../bu*.deb [04:12] comp#%BOUT24 [04:12] has:attachment to:jbicha@ubuntu.com [04:14] jbicha: that didn't look like being meant for a public IRC channel? [04:15] has:attachment to:jbicha@ubuntu.comYou had a sign-off process to contribute to the documentation? [04:16] The docs string freeze was September 25 so I didn't have a chance to see about iyour work. [04:19] I'd like to forward your work to the ubuntu-docs list. Am I correct that it's licensed as CC-BY-SA 3.0Jeremy I did write material for previews, shopping (and how to disable it, which I hadwrite since the procedure changed). I adapted GNOME's material about online accounts. [04:21] well we can't do a normal quilt patch since those don't work for binary filesbzr diff | less [04:21] qbzr uncommit [04:21] ynano debfx RAOF [04:22] ??? [04:22] ynano debfthemes/x RAOF [04:22] rm -rf ../bu [04:22] bzr bd [04:23] byobu [04:23] stupid X [04:24] I'm not even sure how that happened [04:25] and I'm not sure why my computer was calling out for help to RAOF [04:26] maybe I should blame gdm actually [04:34] any ideas how my keyboard output was going to two windows at once? [05:22] good morning [05:29] bonjour didrocks! [05:29] didrocks: finally went over the bronchitis? [05:30] pitti: still some little rest and cough, but it's really minor compared to what it was. So mostly over, thanks! :) [05:30] pitti: how are you? [05:30] nice to hear! [05:30] Je vais tres bien, merci [06:36] pitti: Good day! Would you be up for a little Debian sponsoring? Porters would quite like colord 0.1.21-3 to be uploaded, so it builds on !Linux archs. ☺ [06:36] RAOF: Oui, je peux [06:37] good morning [06:37] bonjour jibel [06:37] guten Morgen pitti [06:39] RAOF: spotted in the build log: is that known? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1255398/ [06:39] RAOF: anyway, that's not something recent, so I'll upload -3 [06:40] pitti: Hm, I didn't notice that. [06:40] That's probably the gir fixes that are in later colord versions :) === sivatharman_ is now known as psivaa [07:24] good morning everyone [07:24] good morning chrisccoulson :) [07:25] hey didrocks, how are you? [07:25] chrisccoulson: way better, bronchitis almost over \o/ and you? [07:26] didrocks, that's good :) [07:26] i'm not too bad, but i have quite a headache this morning [07:26] urgh, not enough sleep? [07:26] how is the family? [07:26] yeah, they're ok thanks [07:27] jo had a cold last week, and i think i'm getting it now ;) [07:27] chrisccoulson: typical at this time of year, I think :) [07:27] yeah :( [07:27] never mind :) [07:28] chrisccoulson: better to be sick before UDS, you will be stronger for the virus melting pot! :) [07:28] heh [07:29] at least we got to the bottom of bug 1058209 yesterday :) [07:29] Launchpad bug 1058209 in webapps-greasemonkey "firefox re-installs Add-ons everytime I restart Ubuntu" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058209 [07:30] yeah, I saw that, excellent :) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:02] hey desktopers [08:03] salut seb128, ça va? [08:03] bonjour seb128 [08:04] hey didrocks, pitti! ca va bien, et vous ? [08:04] seb128: je vais trés bien, merci! [08:05] "très" ... ton français devient bon, tu écris presque sans fautes ! ;-) [08:05] seb128: ça va :) [08:06] seb128: je fais de mon mieux :) [08:06] didrocks, don't you forget something? [08:07] * pitti reminds didrocks about meeting reminder reminder [08:07] seb128: how can I forget to reminds you about the desktop reminder? I can remember that even if pitti just did remind me about reminding you from the reminder :) [08:07] *phew* :) [08:07] lol [08:08] thanks ;-) [08:08] yw! ;-) [08:08] * seb128 hugs didrocks pitti [08:08] * didrocks hugs seb128 and pitti [08:10] * pitti embrasse seb128 et didrocks [08:11] hum [08:11] group kissing now? :p [08:11] embrasser != "embrace" (hug)? [08:11] no = kiss [08:12] false friend then? I thought "baisser" was kiss [08:12] well, it can be used for both [08:12] lol [08:12] not as a verb [08:12] "baiser" [08:12] pitti: you meant "baiser" and you don't want to use that word :) [08:12] "donne un baiser" works [08:13] baiser is slang for making love :p [08:13] baiser is more "fuck-area-related" :) [08:13] didrocks: really? in Germany we use it all the time, it's the name of some kind of cookies [08:13] (baked whipped eggwhite with sugar) [08:13] not quite the same in France then ;-) [08:13] sheesh [08:13] pitti: it's vulgar in French, don't even try it :) [08:14] well as a verb, you can use it "donner un baiser" fine [08:14] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiser <- c'est le pâte [08:14] that's "give a kiss" [08:14] hum, cakes, cookies! [08:14] pitti: ah, some kind of meringue :) [08:16] hi seb128, pitti [08:16] err, "la pâte", oui? [08:17] bonjour chrisccoulson! bienvenue au chambre de français! [08:18] heh :) [08:18] thanks ;) [08:18] argh, compiz is getting on my nerves; restarting, brb [08:18] pitti: qu'est-ce qui se passe? [08:24] chrisccoulson, hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:24] seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks, other than quite a headache this morning. it doesn't help that there are people digging up the road outside of the house as well ;) [08:24] how are you? [08:25] I'm good thanks [08:25] no noise here ;-) [08:25] heh [08:30] ooh, silence! [08:30] i should probably enjoy this brief moment :) [08:31] * didrocks starts chrisccoulson's mpd remotely :) [08:31] with noise-from-street.ogg :) [08:31] heh [08:31] thanks! [08:31] ;) [08:31] you're really welcome! :) [09:13] chrisccoulson: on each and every lp page I get this popup nagging to install the pluginscript. once I click on "install" nothing happens. Known issue? [09:13] Sweetshark, i think so. but that's not from firefox ;) [09:14] there were some others talking about the same issue yesterday [09:14] chrisccoulson: k, I just thought you would know ;) [09:14] i think Laney had the issue too [09:15] hey, yeah [09:15] there's a bug somewhere [09:18] bug #1057800 [09:18] Launchpad bug 1057800 in libunity-webapps "Some userscripts fail to load immediately after install" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057800 [09:18] or bug #1059460 [09:18] Launchpad bug 1059460 in libunity-webapps "When clicking "yes" on any integration prompt, nothing happens" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059460 [09:41] didrocks: just the old "keeps auto-raising" bug again :( [09:44] seb128: do you have a second? [09:45] Sweetshark, yes [09:47] pitti: argh :/ [09:49] seb128: looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/bjoern-michaelsen.html, bug 780399, bug 1017771 and the bibliography task are all pretty much the same -- The infrastructure for that (PkgKit integration) is in place -- that was the hard part and the remaining code changes to use that should be simple. However, we are very late in the cycle and I would like to keep some reserves for remaining trouble with the unity stuff (which i [09:49] Launchpad bug 780399 in libreoffice "Wizard doesn't run without libreoffice-java-common installed. The user should be notified to install it when running a wizard." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780399 [09:49] Launchpad bug 1017771 in libreoffice "LibreOffice Calc needs extra packages to use Address book" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017771 [09:51] seb128: so, should I a/ still try to force it in before final freeze b/ maybe prepare it for the 3.6.3 SRU for quantal c/ postpone completely to quantal+1 [09:51] Sweetshark, c/ I would say [09:51] there a "nice to have" but it's not the end of the world if they wait next cycle [09:52] we can discuss "b" later if we feel it would be useful to SRU but I don't think it's needed for a nonLTS version [09:53] seb128: k, thanks. [09:53] Sweetshark, is that your opinion as well? [09:54] seb128: I just needed someone rational confirming this as I am just annoyed by having it 99% done and then still missing this cycle. [09:54] yes, the rational part of me agrees ;) [09:54] ok, good [09:55] Sweetshark, if that's of any confort you can tell the annoyed part of you that enabling those would be a feature and that if you ask for a FFe the release guys will hurt you :p [10:01] seb128: OTOH the release guys have to be kept on a constant level of pain, so that they are kept in training ... === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:10] doesn't that make them bitter? [10:11] bitter is very welcome, indeed [10:11] "No! You can't have shiny!" [10:17] "You see I have this opportunity to grant you this very small amount of pleasure, but I get the pleasure out of denying you that small bit of pleasure." === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [10:52] phew [10:53] webkit and qt4-x11 are both uploaded [10:53] let's see how that goes [10:54] Laney, \o/ well done, thanks a lot for that [10:55] :-) [10:55] now for some queue reviews before lunch, then piloting this afternoon [11:08] I am having issues with complete visual lockups on 12.10 for about 4 weeks now. All graphics lock up, except for the mousepointer which is still rendered correctly and all I can do about it is to reboot via VT. [11:08] Is this problem known ? [11:09] It makes serious work impossible on 12.10. === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:17] MCR1: what graphics? you probably want to speak to the #ubuntu-x guys like mlankhorst [12:24] Laney: It is an ATI 5750 HD with gallium driver... I already tried to change MESA driver and other things from the xorg edgers PPA, but it did not help... but thanx a lot for the info though... [12:26] I am just wondering if it is just me suffering from that, because I had confirmation from other people experiencing exactly the same thing... [12:28] MCR1, do you have a bug number for the issue? [12:28] seb128: nope, not for this one... [12:29] MCR1, no wonder it doesn't get worked then... [12:29] MCR1: does this happen after resume from suspend/sleep? [12:29] you should open a bug using ubuntu-bug just after getting the issue (so the logs might have useful infos) [12:29] I have been experiencing a similar bug on Debian sid some time ago [12:29] seb128: I am just wondering how a bug like this can even pass automatic testing [12:29] mitya57, do you think about the intel bug that recently got fixed? MCR1 says he uses ati [12:30] seb128: which intel bug? [12:30] MCR1, because we don't own every card and chipset available on the market and some bugs are hardware specific [12:30] mitya57: No, it usually happens during strong disk activity, like updating or compiling [12:30] mitya57, bug #966744 [12:30] Launchpad bug 966744 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965] Resume from suspend leaves me with black screen or a screen of the desktop before it suspended. Compiz hung in intel_update_renderbuffers() from intel_prepare_render() from brw_draw_prims()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966744 [12:31] seb128: I don't use compiz [12:31] MCR1, well anyway open a bug and ping #ubuntu-x about it [12:31] mitya57, do you use another compositor,GL desktop? [12:31] mitya57, that bug is not specific to compiz [12:32] seb128: I was getting it with gnome shell [12:32] yeah, could be the same bug [12:32] thanks for the link anyway, I'll test the new version [12:32] yw [12:33] seb128: okay, but no time today - I'll do it in the next days... [12:33] MCR1, thanks [13:15] who was working on the GNOME remix? [13:15] just to tell: the new boot splash does not work when asking encryption pwd :( [13:18] xclaesse, jbicha [13:24] xclaesse: oh you mean bug 1060123? [13:24] Launchpad bug 1060123 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings "Plymouth theme does not show password prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060123 [13:24] jbicha, looks like it, thx ! [13:25] jbicha, it went back to text mode here when typing p *pwd [13:26] I have to admit I don't use ecryptfs and I don't know much about plymouth [13:26] I subscribed the two guys that made that theme though [13:26] jbicha, you can now get it from the normal ubuntu installer [13:27] before Quantal it was only from alternate installer [13:28] oh, you mean "full disk" encryption? I haven't used that either yet [13:36] didrocks, hey so is `dconf reset -f /org/compiz/` still not recommended? What do we tell people who want to reset their Unity configuration? [13:37] jcastro_: I think it's not recommended dconf doesn't update gsettings apps listening to the key AFAIK [13:37] bummer, so is there no way for people to undo whatever they break? [13:37] jcastro_: there is no easy solution for people to reset their Unity and Compiz configuration as each plugin has its own schema [13:37] bummer [13:38] didn't change since we last discuss ;) [13:38] right [13:38] I just want to know what to tell people when they break something. :) [13:39] gsettings list-relocatable-schemas | grep compiz [13:39] note down the relocatable schemas [13:40] then gsettings reset :/org/compiz/profiles/unity === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:40] maybe an extra / at the end [13:40] should be scriptable, that's what I told on the merge request removing it [13:40] would be cool if someone will do that properly [13:40] jcastro_: ^ [13:41] ok [13:41] jcastro_: oupss, should be reset-recursively instead of reset :) [13:41] jcastro_: needs testing, but I think in theory, that would work [13:41] http://askubuntu.com/questions/17610/how-do-i-reset-my-unity-configuration [13:42] I put a fat bounty on it, that should get it some attention. :) [13:42] want me to answer here? [13:42] let's see what the bounty generates [13:42] yeah, seeing it :) [13:42] you can do something more important. :) [13:42] jcastro_: can you change "script" with "properly written in python" :-) [13:43] .oO( are scrips not proper ? ) [13:44] well, IMO we should certainly have a "Reset to defaults" when it comes to desktop stuff. [13:44] ogra_: as "unity", is a python script ;) I would prefer a --reset doing some library call rather than subprocess() :) [13:44] ohh, I can add that [13:44] didrocks, uuh, yeah [13:45] jcastro_: yeah, that would be great, there are a similar one in windows 8. To reset an account and you have some kind of granularity (like removing my emails, but still have my account setup) === sivatharman_ is now known as psivaa [14:55] hi [14:55] where does dput get the lp credentials from? [14:55] you mean the server location? [14:55] /etc/dput.cf or ~/.dput.cf [14:56] rodrigo_, dput has no credential, the ftp is an open one, uploads need to be gpg signed to get accepted though [14:56] rodrigo_, the matching is done through the package signing [14:57] seb128, oh, that's probably it, he maybe didn't sign the package [15:02] mterry, hey, mvo asked if somebody could review https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu-release-upgrader/lp1052605/+merge/125693 ... any chance you could have a look since you worked on that code before? (it's a reasonably small merge request) [15:02] seb128, sure [15:03] mterry, thanks [15:25] is the new gwibber lens icon landing tomorrow? [15:28] kenvandine, ^ [15:29] kenvandine, didrocks, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time, if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-02 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet [15:31] Hello, World!\n [15:32] hey mlankhorst [15:32] how are you? [15:33] good :) you? [15:33] jbicha: I think it will land only when unity will land [15:33] jbicha: so probably on thursday [15:34] mlankhorst, I'm good thanks [15:38] it's been interesting past few weeks [15:48] mlankhorst, interesting in what way? [16:05] seb128: well, vacation, xdc2012 in nuremberg, trying to get stuff upstreamed :) [16:26] Laney, I owe you a beer! webkit builds on jhbuild with make from proposed *\o/* [16:27] jibel: \o/ [16:27] I need to reupload webkit actually [16:27] forgot to merge the archive changes [16:46] mterry: thanks for the branch review! merged now === e11bits_ is now known as e11bits === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [17:07] desrt, is g_settings_delay() g_settings_reset() g_settings_get_string() still supposed to give you the schemas default for a key with glib 2.34? [17:09] yup [17:09] there was an issue in dconf at some point that prevented that from working [17:09] didier filed a bug... but it was fixed quite some time ago i think [17:10] desrt, hum, seems to be buggy :-( [17:10] crud [17:10] got a testcase? [17:10] I will try to get one [17:10] my testcase is Didier's code to display the default theme in the appareance capplet [17:10] which worked fine in precise and now indicate "default" for the theme selected at start time [17:10] rather than the schemas default [17:11] let me do up a quick hack [17:11] start = when the capplet is loaded [17:12] crap! [17:12] desrt, buggy? [17:13] ya. i did a small test here [17:13] wtf is it this time? [17:14] you just made it to the top of my todo list [17:14] * desrt bets that this is something stupid [17:15] stop breaking my code! :-) [17:17] oh [17:17] i found the bug [17:17] as usual, that was fast :) [17:18] this is not the usual sort of bug [17:18] see if you can spot the problem [17:18] http://git.gnome.org/browse/dconf/tree/gsettings/dconfsettingsbackend.c#n40 [17:18] desrt, XXX :p [17:18] bad desrt, no cookie! [17:19] i didn't write testcases for the gsettings backend :p [17:19] anyway [17:19] should be easy enough to fix [17:19] gimme 10 [17:20] ;-) [17:30] can i get a bug? [17:30] seb128, didrocks: ^^ [17:30] desrt, sure [17:32] desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685316 [17:32] Gnome bug 685316 in gsettings backend "getting default schemas value doesn't work in GNOME 3.6" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [17:33] will have a patch uploaded for testing in a moment [17:33] great [17:34] k. done. [17:34] this fell through because i was planning on never writing this code... [17:35] would have been done differently under the new gsettingsbackend regime [17:36] so what it comes down to is that this bug is larsu's fault [17:36] * larsu is okay with that [17:37] lol [17:37] * didrocks waves good evening [17:37] didrocks, 'night [17:37] seb128: too slow [17:37] desrt, can't always win :p [17:38] :) [17:38] anyway [17:38] i'm fairly sure that will fix the issue [17:38] desrt, which new gsettingsbackend regime do you mean? [17:38] but i'd appreciate a testing for your case [17:38] larsu: i was in the middle of rewriting the gsettingsbackend interface when i was rudely dirupted by all your gmenumodel/gtk_widget_insert_action_group/muxer/etc/etc hacking requirements :) [17:39] desrt, you mean you appreciate that you were allowed to work on that? :P [17:40] * desrt just loves menus :) [17:40] desrt, segfaults [17:41] curious [17:41] desrt, I'm getting the feeling, yeah [17:41] seb128: not surprised... but curious [17:41] can i get a trace? [17:43] seb128, indicator-messages 12.10.4 is out [17:45] desrt, sorry, phone... [17:45] larsu, danke [17:45] desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1256451/ [17:46] uh [17:46] this is a crash in gkeyfile [17:46] OH [17:46] jesus christ [17:46] obvious/stupid problem [17:47] i forgot that gqueue is both stack and heap allocated [17:48] seb128: new patch is uploaded [17:49] glad i waited for the test :) [17:57] hey seb128 [17:57] jcastro_, howdy [17:58] hey so, I keep noticing how much faster the dash is without blur. I don't suppose we've asked to default to that? [17:58] jcastro_, no blur by default? no [17:59] jcastro_, for some reason design is crazy about that blur [17:59] it seems like a nice quick and dirty fix to a bunch of "the dash is slow" problems [18:00] jcastro_, not going to happen... [18:00] yeah so I was just whining in your general direction [18:04] desrt, updated version seems to work and to fix the bug [18:15] seb128: cool. i'll push and to stable too [18:15] seb128: if you want to vendor-patch those in, be my guest [18:16] desrt, doing so [18:16] sorry for the silly [18:16] hope i didn't waste too much of your time :) [18:16] desrt, no worry, I'm glad we got it before release [18:17] no, that code didn't change this cycle so my first bet was an issue in gsettings,dconf and I started by pinging you [18:17] ;-) [18:17] ah good [18:36] jbicha, there? [18:45] seb128: yes [18:46] jbicha, do you consider small tweaks to icon which doesn't change the shape and color as an UIF change? [18:46] which icon? [18:46] jbicha, specifically the indicator-messages status one, they have an updated version with renforced borders [18:47] it makes them easier to see on the background [18:47] jbicha, I fwed you the before,after grid [18:47] (email) [18:47] yes, that needs UIFE [18:48] jbicha, ok, I was unsure since those are really bug fixes rather than UI changes [18:48] there were discussions at some point to just consider UI fixes as bug fixes [18:48] jbicha, let me know if that's likely to be acked or if I should not bother then... [18:49] well it would be visible in https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/figures/unity-appmenu-intro.png [18:49] well, I don't think such details would confuse users on the validity of the documentation screenshots [18:50] it's like those games "find the difference" between images :p [18:50] I don't understand why the colored status shape needs lighting, my idea of mono icons is that they should be flat [18:50] that's part of why the current messaging menu icons are bad [18:51] I'm not the one to argue with about those ;-) [18:51] I agree that the current one suck, especially with the light theme [18:51] I know, I like talking to myself [18:52] seb128: do you use Radiance? [18:52] yes [18:52] that's what I call "light" theme ;-) [18:52] well, see the "light menu" in the "before" grid in the email [18:52] the current icon looks "fuzzy" in Ambiance, mono icons should have sharp edges [18:52] you can't really see the full shape of the icons, they fade in the background [18:53] it sucks [18:53] especially the yellow triangle [18:53] it seems cut on the top [18:53] well, anyway ... worth opening a bug or not? [18:53] I will get mpt and larsu to comment tomorrow if I open on, they are the ones who asked for an update [18:54] seb128: yes it needs UIFe and there's probably already a related bug for the issue [18:54] jbicha, do you know the number? [18:55]