[01:44] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I'm trying to figure out how to fix the missing a11y themes
[01:45] <robert_ancell> jbicha, patching them back in?
[01:45] <jbicha> well we can't do a normal quilt patch since those don't work for binary files
[01:45] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's as far as I got :)
[01:45] <robert_ancell> stupid dpkg/quilt
[01:46] <jbicha> maybe I could hack something together with debian/rules re-adding the files
[02:10] <RAOF> Add uuencoded files in the patch, uudecode in debian/rules.
[02:10] <RAOF> jbicha: ^^
[02:11] <sarnold> eww, is that really the best option?
[02:12] <RAOF> It's a fairly common option.
[02:13] <jbicha> since we're moving two entire directories, I'd rather figure out the 2-3 lines I need to add in debian/rules
[02:19] <jbicha> dpkg-source: info: using source format `3.0 (quilt)'
[02:19] <jbicha> dpkg-source: error: unwanted binary file: debian/LowContrast/icons/48x48/devices/input-mouse.png
[02:19] <jbicha> yikes, that's not working either :(
[02:20] <xnox> jbicha: you need to list binaries you want to include
[02:20] <xnox> jbicha: see man dpkg-source
[02:20] <xnox> it's something like ./debian/source/included-binaries
[02:20] <xnox> or something.
[02:20] <xnox> but check the manpage for syntax and correct name
[02:21] <xnox> works much better than uuencode. Or ship the binary files anywhere in ./debian/ dir and move them about as needed.
[04:06] <jbicha> well we can't do a normal quilt patch since those don't work for binary file
[04:07] <jbicha> The two UIFE's I'm watching that still haven't landed yet (!) are
[04:07] <jbicha> http://pad.lv/cial icon 1056191
[04:07] <pitti> Good morning
[04:08] <jbicha> http://pad.lvdisable online search results option to System Settings>Privacyg
[04:11] <jbicha> uif
[04:12] <jbicha> sudo dpkg -i ../bu*.deb
[04:12] <jbicha> comp#%BOUT24
[04:12] <jbicha> has:attachment to:jbicha@ubuntu.com
[04:14] <pitti> jbicha: that didn't look like being meant for a public IRC channel?
[04:15] <jbicha> has:attachment to:jbicha@ubuntu.comYou had a sign-off process to contribute to the documentation?
[04:16] <jbicha> The docs string freeze was September 25 so I didn't have a chance to see about iyour work.
[04:19] <jbicha> I'd like to forward your work to the ubuntu-docs list. Am I correct that it's licensed as CC-BY-SA 3.0Jeremy I did write material for previews, shopping (and how to disable it, which I hadwrite since the procedure changed). I adapted GNOME's material about online accounts.
[04:21] <jbicha> well we can't do a normal quilt patch since those don't work for binary filesbzr diff | less
[04:21] <jbicha> qbzr uncommit
[04:21] <jbicha> ynano debfx RAOF
[04:22] <RAOF> ???
[04:22] <jbicha> ynano debfthemes/x RAOF
[04:22] <jbicha> rm -rf ../bu
[04:22] <jbicha> bzr bd
[04:23] <jbicha> byobu
[04:23] <jbicha> stupid X
[04:24] <jbicha> I'm not even sure how that happened
[04:25] <jbicha> and I'm not sure why my computer was calling out for help to RAOF
[04:26] <jbicha> maybe I should blame gdm actually
[04:34] <jbicha> any ideas how my keyboard output was going to two windows at once?
[05:22] <didrocks> good morning
[05:29] <pitti> bonjour didrocks!
[05:29] <pitti> didrocks: finally went over the bronchitis?
[05:30] <didrocks> pitti: still some little rest and cough, but it's really minor compared to what it was. So mostly over, thanks! :)
[05:30] <didrocks> pitti: how are you?
[05:30] <pitti> nice to hear!
[05:30] <pitti> Je vais tres bien, merci
[06:36] <RAOF> pitti: Good day! Would you be up for a little Debian sponsoring? Porters would quite like colord 0.1.21-3 to be uploaded, so it builds on !Linux archs. ☺
[06:36] <pitti> RAOF: Oui, je peux
[06:37] <jibel> good morning
[06:37] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[06:37] <jibel> guten Morgen pitti
[06:39] <pitti> RAOF: spotted in the build log: is that known? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1255398/
[06:39] <pitti> RAOF: anyway, that's not something recent, so I'll upload -3
[06:40] <RAOF> pitti: Hm, I didn't notice that.
[06:40] <RAOF> That's probably the gir fixes that are in later colord versions :)
[07:24] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:24] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson :)
[07:25] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[07:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: way better, bronchitis almost over \o/ and you?
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, that's good :)
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too bad, but i have quite a headache this morning
[07:26] <didrocks> urgh, not enough sleep?
[07:26] <didrocks> how is the family?
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, they're ok thanks
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> jo had a cold last week, and i think i'm getting it now ;)
[07:27] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: typical at this time of year, I think :)
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah :(
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> never mind :)
[07:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: better to be sick before UDS, you will be stronger for the virus melting pot! :)
[07:28] <chrisccoulson> heh
[07:29] <chrisccoulson> at least we got to the bottom of bug 1058209 yesterday :)
[07:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1058209 in webapps-greasemonkey "firefox re-installs Add-ons everytime I restart Ubuntu" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058209
[07:30] <didrocks> yeah, I saw that, excellent :)
[08:02] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:03] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va?
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:04] <seb128> hey didrocks, pitti! ca va bien, et vous ?
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: je vais trés bien, merci!
[08:05] <seb128> "très" ... ton français devient bon, tu écris presque sans fautes ! ;-)
[08:05] <didrocks> seb128: ça va :)
[08:06] <pitti> seb128: je fais de mon mieux :)
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, don't you forget something?
[08:07]  * pitti reminds didrocks about meeting reminder reminder
[08:07] <didrocks> seb128: how can I forget to reminds you about the desktop reminder? I can remember that even if pitti just did remind me about reminding you from the reminder :)
[08:07] <didrocks> *phew* :)
[08:07] <seb128> lol
[08:08] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[08:08] <didrocks> yw! ;-)
[08:08]  * seb128 hugs didrocks pitti
[08:08]  * didrocks hugs seb128 and pitti
[08:10]  * pitti embrasse seb128 et didrocks
[08:11] <seb128> hum
[08:11] <seb128> group kissing now? :p
[08:11] <pitti> embrasser != "embrace" (hug)?
[08:11] <seb128> no = kiss
[08:12] <pitti> false friend then? I thought "baisser" was kiss
[08:12] <seb128> well, it can be used for both
[08:12] <seb128> lol
[08:12] <seb128> not as a verb
[08:12] <pitti> "baiser"
[08:12] <didrocks> pitti: you meant "baiser" and you don't want to use that word :)
[08:12] <seb128> "donne un baiser" works
[08:13] <seb128> baiser is slang for making love :p
[08:13] <didrocks> baiser is more "fuck-area-related" :)
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: really? in Germany we use it all the time, it's the name of some kind of cookies
[08:13] <pitti> (baked whipped eggwhite with sugar)
[08:13] <seb128> not quite the same in France then ;-)
[08:13] <pitti> sheesh
[08:13] <didrocks> pitti: it's vulgar in French, don't even try it :)
[08:14] <seb128> well as a verb, you can use it "donner un baiser" fine
[08:14] <pitti> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiser <- c'est le pâte
[08:14] <seb128> that's "give a kiss"
[08:14] <seb128> hum, cakes, cookies!
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: ah, some kind of meringue :)
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, pitti
[08:16] <pitti> err, "la pâte", oui?
[08:17] <pitti> bonjour chrisccoulson! bienvenue au chambre de français!
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> thanks ;)
[08:18] <pitti> argh, compiz is getting on my nerves; restarting, brb
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: qu'est-ce qui se passe?
[08:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks, other than quite a headache this morning. it doesn't help that there are people digging up the road outside of the house as well ;)
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:25] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:25] <seb128> no noise here ;-)
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> ooh, silence!
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> i should probably enjoy this brief moment :)
[08:31]  * didrocks starts chrisccoulson's mpd remotely :)
[08:31] <didrocks> with noise-from-street.ogg :)
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[08:31] <didrocks> you're really welcome! :)
[09:13] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: on each and every lp page I get this popup nagging to install the pluginscript. once I click on "install" nothing happens. Known issue?
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, i think so. but that's not from firefox ;)
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> there were some others talking about the same issue yesterday
[09:14] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: k, I just thought you would know ;)
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> i think Laney had the issue too
[09:15] <Laney> hey, yeah
[09:15] <Laney> there's a bug somewhere
[09:18] <Laney> bug #1057800
[09:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1057800 in libunity-webapps "Some userscripts fail to load immediately after install" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1057800
[09:18] <Laney> or bug #1059460
[09:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059460 in libunity-webapps "When clicking "yes" on any integration prompt, nothing happens" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059460
[09:41] <pitti> didrocks: just the old "keeps auto-raising" bug again :(
[09:44] <Sweetshark> seb128: do you have a second?
[09:45] <seb128> Sweetshark, yes
[09:47] <didrocks> pitti: argh :/
[09:49] <Sweetshark> seb128: looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/bjoern-michaelsen.html, bug 780399, bug 1017771 and the bibliography task are all pretty much the same -- The infrastructure for that (PkgKit integration) is in place -- that was the hard part and the remaining code changes to use that should be simple. However, we are very late in the cycle and I would like to keep some reserves for remaining trouble with the unity stuff (which i
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 780399 in libreoffice "Wizard doesn't run without libreoffice-java-common installed. The user should be notified to install it when running a wizard." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780399
[09:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1017771 in libreoffice "LibreOffice Calc needs extra packages to use Address book" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017771
[09:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: so, should I a/ still try to force it in before final freeze b/ maybe prepare it for the 3.6.3 SRU for quantal c/ postpone completely to quantal+1
[09:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, c/ I would say
[09:51] <seb128> there a "nice to have" but it's not the end of the world if they wait next cycle
[09:52] <seb128> we can discuss "b" later if we feel it would be useful to SRU but I don't think it's needed for a nonLTS version
[09:53] <Sweetshark> seb128: k, thanks.
[09:53] <seb128> Sweetshark, is that your opinion as well?
[09:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: I just needed someone rational confirming this as I am just annoyed by having it 99% done and then still missing this cycle.
[09:54] <Sweetshark> yes, the rational part of me agrees ;)
[09:54] <seb128> ok, good
[09:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, if that's of any confort you can tell the annoyed part of you that enabling those would be a feature and that if you ask for a FFe the release guys will hurt you :p
[10:01] <Sweetshark> seb128: OTOH the release guys have to be kept on a constant level of pain, so that they are kept in training ...
[10:10] <mlankhorst> doesn't that make them bitter?
[10:11] <Laney> bitter is very welcome, indeed
[10:11] <mlankhorst> "No! You can't have shiny!"
[10:17] <mlankhorst> "You see I have this opportunity to grant you this very small amount of pleasure, but I get the pleasure out of denying you that small bit of pleasure."
[10:52] <Laney> phew
[10:53] <Laney> webkit and qt4-x11 are both uploaded
[10:53] <Laney> let's see how that goes
[10:54] <seb128> Laney, \o/ well done, thanks a lot for that
[10:55] <Laney> :-)
[10:55] <Laney> now for some queue reviews before lunch, then piloting this afternoon
[11:08] <MCR1> I am having issues with complete visual lockups on 12.10 for about 4 weeks now. All graphics lock up, except for the mousepointer which is still rendered correctly and all I can do about it is to reboot via VT.
[11:08] <MCR1> Is this problem known ?
[11:09] <MCR1> It makes serious work impossible on 12.10.
[12:17] <Laney> MCR1: what graphics? you probably want to speak to the #ubuntu-x guys like mlankhorst
[12:24] <MCR1> Laney: It is an ATI 5750 HD with gallium driver... I already tried to change MESA driver and other things from the xorg edgers PPA, but it did not help... but thanx a lot for the info though...
[12:26] <MCR1> I am just wondering if it is just me suffering from that, because I had confirmation from other people experiencing exactly the same thing...
[12:28] <seb128> MCR1, do you have a bug number for the issue?
[12:28] <MCR1> seb128: nope, not for this one...
[12:29] <seb128> MCR1, no wonder it doesn't get worked then...
[12:29] <mitya57> MCR1: does this happen after resume from suspend/sleep?
[12:29] <seb128> you should open a bug using ubuntu-bug just after getting the issue (so the logs might have useful infos)
[12:29] <mitya57> I have been experiencing a similar bug on Debian sid some time ago
[12:29] <MCR1> seb128: I am just wondering how a bug like this can even pass automatic testing
[12:29] <seb128> mitya57, do you think about the intel bug that recently got fixed? MCR1 says he uses ati
[12:30] <mitya57> seb128: which intel bug?
[12:30] <seb128> MCR1, because we don't own every card and chipset available on the market and some bugs are hardware specific
[12:30] <MCR1> mitya57: No, it usually happens during strong disk activity, like updating or compiling
[12:30] <seb128> mitya57, bug #966744
[12:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 966744 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965] Resume from suspend leaves me with black screen or a screen of the desktop before it suspended. Compiz hung in intel_update_renderbuffers() from intel_prepare_render() from brw_draw_prims()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966744
[12:31] <mitya57> seb128: I don't use compiz
[12:31] <seb128> MCR1, well anyway open a bug and ping #ubuntu-x about it
[12:31] <seb128> mitya57, do you use another compositor,GL desktop?
[12:31] <seb128> mitya57, that bug is not specific to compiz
[12:32] <mitya57> seb128: I was getting it with gnome shell
[12:32] <seb128> yeah, could be the same bug
[12:32] <mitya57> thanks for the link anyway, I'll test the new version
[12:32] <seb128> yw
[12:33] <MCR1> seb128: okay, but no time today - I'll do it in the next days...
[12:33] <seb128> MCR1, thanks
[13:15] <xclaesse> who was working on the GNOME remix?
[13:15] <xclaesse> just to tell: the new boot splash does not work when asking encryption pwd :(
[13:18] <kenvandine> xclaesse, jbicha
[13:24] <jbicha> xclaesse: oh you mean bug 1060123?
[13:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1060123 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings "Plymouth theme does not show password prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060123
[13:24] <xclaesse> jbicha, looks like it, thx !
[13:25] <xclaesse> jbicha, it went back to text mode here when typing p<d
[13:25] <xclaesse> *pwd
[13:26] <jbicha> I have to admit I don't use ecryptfs and I don't know much about plymouth
[13:26] <jbicha> I subscribed the two guys that made that theme though
[13:26] <xclaesse> jbicha, you can now get it from the normal ubuntu installer
[13:27] <xclaesse> before Quantal it was only from alternate installer
[13:28] <jbicha> oh, you mean "full disk" encryption? I haven't used that either yet
[13:36] <jcastro_> didrocks, hey so is `dconf reset -f /org/compiz/` still not recommended? What do we tell people who want to reset their Unity configuration?
[13:37] <didrocks> jcastro_: I think it's not recommended dconf doesn't update gsettings apps listening to the key AFAIK
[13:37] <jcastro_> bummer, so is there no way for people to undo whatever they break?
[13:37] <didrocks> jcastro_: there is no easy solution for people to reset their Unity and Compiz configuration as each plugin has its own schema
[13:37] <jcastro_> bummer
[13:38] <didrocks> didn't change since we last discuss ;)
[13:38] <jcastro_> right
[13:38] <jcastro_> I just want to know what to tell people when they break something. :)
[13:39] <didrocks> gsettings list-relocatable-schemas | grep compiz
[13:39] <didrocks> note down the relocatable schemas
[13:40] <didrocks> then gsettings reset <each schema from the list above>:/org/compiz/profiles/unity
[13:40] <didrocks> maybe an extra / at the end
[13:40] <didrocks> should be scriptable, that's what I told on the merge request removing it
[13:40] <didrocks> would be cool if someone will do that properly
[13:40] <didrocks> jcastro_: ^
[13:41] <jcastro_> ok
[13:41] <didrocks> jcastro_: oupss, should be reset-recursively instead of reset :)
[13:41] <didrocks> jcastro_: needs testing, but I think in theory, that would work
[13:41] <jcastro_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17610/how-do-i-reset-my-unity-configuration
[13:42] <jcastro_> I put a fat bounty on it, that should get it some attention. :)
[13:42] <didrocks> want me to answer here?
[13:42] <jcastro_> let's see what the bounty generates
[13:42] <didrocks> yeah, seeing it :)
[13:42] <jcastro_> you can do something more important. :)
[13:42] <didrocks> jcastro_: can you change "script" with "properly written in python" :-)
[13:43] <ogra_> .oO( are scrips not proper ? )
[13:44] <jcastro_> well, IMO we should certainly have a "Reset to defaults" when it comes to desktop stuff.
[13:44] <didrocks> ogra_: as "unity", is a python script ;) I would prefer a --reset doing some library call rather than subprocess() :)
[13:44] <jcastro_> ohh, I can add that
[13:44] <ogra_> didrocks, uuh, yeah
[13:45] <didrocks> jcastro_: yeah, that would be great, there are a similar one in windows 8. To reset an account and you have some kind of granularity (like removing my emails, but still have my account setup)
[14:55] <rodrigo_> hi
[14:55] <rodrigo_> where does dput get the lp credentials from?
[14:55] <Laney> you mean the server location?
[14:55] <Laney> /etc/dput.cf or ~/.dput.cf
[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, dput has no credential, the ftp is an open one, uploads need to be gpg signed to get accepted though
[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, the matching is done through the package signing
[14:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, that's probably it, he maybe didn't sign the package
[15:02] <seb128> mterry, hey, mvo asked if somebody could review https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu-release-upgrader/lp1052605/+merge/125693 ... any chance you could have a look since you worked on that code before? (it's a reasonably small merge request)
[15:02] <mterry> seb128, sure
[15:03] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[15:25] <jbicha> is the new gwibber lens icon landing tomorrow?
[15:28] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[15:29] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time, if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-02 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet
[15:31] <mlankhorst> Hello, World!\n
[15:32] <seb128> hey mlankhorst
[15:32] <seb128> how are you?
[15:33] <mlankhorst> good :) you?
[15:33] <didrocks> jbicha: I think it will land only when unity will land
[15:33] <didrocks> jbicha: so probably on thursday
[15:34] <seb128> mlankhorst, I'm good thanks
[15:38] <mlankhorst> it's been interesting past few weeks
[15:48] <seb128> mlankhorst, interesting in what way?
[16:05] <mlankhorst> seb128: well, vacation, xdc2012 in nuremberg, trying to get stuff upstreamed :)
[16:26] <jibel> Laney, I owe you a beer! webkit builds on jhbuild with make from proposed *\o/*
[16:27] <Laney> jibel: \o/
[16:27] <Laney> I need to reupload webkit actually
[16:27] <Laney> forgot to merge the archive changes
[16:46] <mvo> mterry: thanks for the branch review! merged now
[17:07] <seb128> desrt, is g_settings_delay() g_settings_reset() g_settings_get_string() still supposed to give you the schemas default for a key with glib 2.34?
[17:09] <desrt> yup
[17:09] <desrt> there was an issue in dconf at some point that prevented that from working
[17:09] <desrt> didier filed a bug... but it was fixed quite some time ago i think
[17:10] <seb128> desrt, hum, seems to be buggy :-(
[17:10] <desrt> crud
[17:10] <desrt> got a testcase?
[17:10] <seb128> I will try to get one
[17:10] <seb128> my testcase is Didier's code to display the default theme in the appareance capplet
[17:10] <seb128> which worked fine in precise and now indicate "default" for the theme selected at start time
[17:10] <seb128> rather than the schemas default
[17:11] <desrt> let me do up a quick hack
[17:11] <seb128> start = when the capplet is loaded
[17:12] <desrt> crap!
[17:12] <seb128> desrt, buggy?
[17:13] <desrt> ya.  i did a small test here
[17:13] <desrt> wtf is it this time?
[17:14] <desrt> you just made it to the top of my todo list
[17:14]  * desrt bets that this is something stupid
[17:15] <didrocks> stop breaking my code! :-)
[17:17] <desrt> oh
[17:17] <desrt> i found the bug
[17:17] <didrocks> as usual, that was fast :)
[17:18] <desrt> this is not the usual sort of bug
[17:18] <desrt> see if you can spot the problem
[17:18] <desrt> http://git.gnome.org/browse/dconf/tree/gsettings/dconfsettingsbackend.c#n40
[17:18] <seb128> desrt, XXX :p
[17:18] <seb128> bad desrt, no cookie!
[17:19] <desrt> i didn't write testcases for the gsettings backend :p
[17:19] <desrt> anyway
[17:19] <desrt> should be easy enough to fix
[17:19] <desrt> gimme 10
[17:20] <seb128> ;-)
[17:30] <desrt> can i get a bug?
[17:30] <desrt> seb128, didrocks: ^^
[17:30] <seb128> desrt, sure
[17:32] <seb128> desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685316
[17:32] <ubot2> Gnome bug 685316 in gsettings backend "getting default schemas value doesn't work in GNOME 3.6" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:33] <desrt> will have a patch uploaded for testing in a moment
[17:33] <seb128> great
[17:34] <desrt> k.  done.
[17:34] <desrt> this fell through because i was planning on never writing this code...
[17:35] <desrt> would have been done differently under the new gsettingsbackend regime
[17:36] <desrt> so what it comes down to is that this bug is larsu's fault
[17:36]  * larsu is okay with that
[17:37] <seb128> lol
[17:37]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:37] <seb128> didrocks, 'night
[17:37] <desrt> seb128: too slow
[17:37] <seb128> desrt, can't always win :p
[17:38] <desrt> :)
[17:38] <desrt> anyway
[17:38] <desrt> i'm fairly sure that will fix the issue
[17:38] <larsu> desrt, which new gsettingsbackend regime do you mean?
[17:38] <desrt> but i'd appreciate a testing for your case
[17:38] <desrt> larsu: i was in the middle of rewriting the gsettingsbackend interface when i was rudely dirupted by all your gmenumodel/gtk_widget_insert_action_group/muxer/etc/etc hacking requirements :)
[17:39] <larsu> desrt, you mean you appreciate that you were allowed to work on that? :P
[17:40]  * desrt just loves menus :)
[17:40] <seb128> desrt, segfaults
[17:41] <desrt> curious
[17:41] <larsu> desrt, I'm getting the feeling, yeah
[17:41] <desrt> seb128: not surprised... but curious
[17:41] <desrt> can i get a trace?
[17:43] <larsu> seb128, indicator-messages 12.10.4 is out
[17:45] <seb128> desrt, sorry, phone...
[17:45] <seb128> larsu, danke
[17:45] <seb128> desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1256451/
[17:46] <desrt> uh
[17:46] <desrt> this is a crash in gkeyfile
[17:46] <desrt> OH
[17:46] <desrt> jesus christ
[17:46] <desrt> obvious/stupid problem
[17:47] <desrt> i forgot that gqueue is both stack and heap allocated
[17:48] <desrt> seb128: new patch is uploaded
[17:49] <desrt> glad i waited for the test :)
[17:57] <jcastro_> hey seb128
[17:57] <seb128> jcastro_, howdy
[17:58] <jcastro_> hey so, I keep noticing how much faster the dash is without blur. I don't suppose we've asked to default to that?
[17:58] <seb128> jcastro_, no blur by default? no
[17:59] <seb128> jcastro_, for some reason design is crazy about that blur
[17:59] <jcastro_> it seems like a nice quick and dirty fix to a bunch of "the dash is slow" problems
[18:00] <seb128> jcastro_, not going to happen...
[18:00] <jcastro_> yeah so I was just whining in your general direction
[18:04] <seb128> desrt, updated version seems to work and to fix the bug
[18:15] <desrt> seb128: cool.  i'll push and to stable too
[18:15] <desrt> seb128: if you want to vendor-patch those in, be my guest
[18:16] <seb128> desrt, doing so
[18:16] <desrt> sorry for the silly
[18:16] <desrt> hope i didn't waste too much of your time :)
[18:16] <seb128> desrt, no worry, I'm glad we got it before release
[18:17] <seb128> no, that code didn't change this cycle so my first bet was an issue in gsettings,dconf and I started by pinging you
[18:17] <seb128> ;-)
[18:17] <desrt> ah good
[18:36] <seb128> jbicha, there?
[18:45] <jbicha> seb128: yes
[18:46] <seb128> jbicha, do you consider small tweaks to icon which doesn't change the shape and color as an UIF change?
[18:46] <jbicha> which icon?
[18:46] <seb128> jbicha, specifically the indicator-messages status one, they have an updated version with renforced borders
[18:47] <seb128> it makes them easier to see on the background
[18:47] <seb128> jbicha, I fwed you the before,after grid
[18:47] <seb128> (email)
[18:47] <jbicha> yes, that needs UIFE
[18:48] <seb128> jbicha, ok, I was unsure since those are really bug fixes rather than UI changes
[18:48] <seb128> there were discussions at some point to just consider UI fixes as bug fixes
[18:48] <seb128> jbicha, let me know if that's likely to be acked or if I should not bother then...
[18:49] <jbicha> well it would be visible in https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/figures/unity-appmenu-intro.png
[18:49] <seb128> well, I don't think such details would confuse users on the validity of the documentation screenshots
[18:50] <seb128> it's like those games "find the difference" between images :p
[18:50] <jbicha> I don't understand why the colored status shape needs lighting, my idea of mono icons is that they should be flat
[18:50] <jbicha> that's part of why the current messaging menu icons are bad
[18:51] <seb128> I'm not the one to argue with about those ;-)
[18:51] <seb128> I agree that the current one suck, especially with the light theme
[18:51] <jbicha> I know, I like talking to myself
[18:52] <jbicha> seb128: do you use Radiance?
[18:52] <seb128> yes
[18:52] <seb128> that's what I call "light" theme ;-)
[18:52] <seb128> well, see the "light menu" in the "before" grid in the email
[18:52] <jbicha> the current icon looks "fuzzy" in Ambiance, mono icons should have sharp edges
[18:52] <seb128> you can't really see the full shape of the icons, they fade in the background
[18:53] <seb128> it sucks
[18:53] <seb128> especially the yellow triangle
[18:53] <seb128> it seems cut on the top
[18:53] <seb128> well, anyway ... worth opening a bug or not?
[18:53] <seb128> I will get mpt and larsu to comment tomorrow if I open on, they are the ones who asked for an update
[18:54] <jbicha> seb128: yes it needs UIFe and there's probably already a related bug for the issue
[18:54] <seb128> jbicha, do you know the number?
[18:55] <seb128> jbicha, I got that it needs an UIFe, I'm asking if it's worth opening one or if it's going to be rejected and not worth the arguing and time going to be spend on it
[18:55] <seb128> ;-)
[18:56] <jbicha> how about bug 1055966 or bug 1056488
[18:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1055966 in indicator-messages "New Messaging Menu icons look too small on indicator-applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055966
[18:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056488 in ubuntu-mono "Messaging menu title icons are indistinct" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056488
[18:57] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[18:57] <jbicha> I'll probably approve it, I mean what's one more UIFe?
[18:57] <seb128> lol, indeed :p
[18:57] <jbicha> please don't tell Design I said that
[18:58] <seb128> don't worry, I'm with you on that one ;-)
[18:58] <seb128> ok, dinner time first, I will update the bugs and upload to the desktop ppa so it's available for testing after dinner
[18:59] <jbicha> oh good
[19:08] <seb128> jbicha, ok, used bug #1056488 for the UIFe, uploaded the new ubuntu-mono to the desktop ppa (humanity-icon-theme to follow) and emailed translators,documentation team about the UIFe
[19:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056488 in ubuntu-mono "[UIFe] Messaging menu title icons are indistinct" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056488
[22:44] <mterry> robert_ancell, poke about the autologin-timeout-expired support needed in the greeter
[22:52] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh robert_ancell RAOF and TheMuso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-02 don't forget to update! oh yeah, and good morning ;)
[22:52] <stgraber> mterry: hey, speaking of greeter, could it be that unity-greeter ignores greeter-show-manual-logins=true unless greeter-hide-users is also set to true?
[22:52]  * RAOF wonders idly what's popping up the white on black No! sign every half hour or so.
[22:53] <mterry> stgraber, it shouldn't...
[22:53] <stgraber> mterry: I have a bunch of machines that are using LDAP login and I can't get them to show both a list of users (those who have already logged in) and still give me the option to manually login with another account
[22:53] <stgraber> I'm seeing that behavior on both precise and quantal FWIW
[22:54] <mterry> stgraber, just to be clear, the key is greeter-show-manual-login without the s
[22:54] <mterry> let me try it
[22:55]  * mterry restarts lightdm, brb
[22:56]  * bryceh waves
[22:56] <bryceh> RAOF, No! means no
[22:56] <robert_ancell> mterry, ack
[22:56] <mterry> stgraber, works for me..
[22:58] <mterry> robert_ancell, hi!  So, what kind of support needs to be added in unity-greeter?  Why is the greeter even involved?  (like, why doesn't lightdm just initiate login after the timeout?  to properly show error conditions when trying to login?)
[22:58] <mterry> It looks like it listens for the signal and then should immediately start an autologin
[22:58] <mterry> Were you going to work on that, or shall I?
[22:59] <robert_ancell> mterry, the greeter should probably show feedback that that an autologin is about to occur (i.e. a timer). It should also cancel that if a user starts authenticating
[22:59] <stgraber> mterry: hmm, I certainly have the typo in my config here, let me check how widespread it's ;)
[23:00] <robert_ancell> it's better that the greeter handles the timer as any delays in starting the greeter would mean you wouldn't have the full time to intercept it
[23:00] <stgraber> I'm using some config management tools, so the typo is quite likely everywhere ;)
[23:00] <RAOF> robert_ancell, mterry: While unity-greeter's under discussion, it seems that my unity-greeter still has the not-seamless-transition-to-desktop regression?
[23:00] <mterry> robert_ancell, but it looks like lightdm manages the timer, since it's in control of the timeout signal, no?
[23:00] <robert_ancell> mterry, no, it is just a hint to the greeter and the timer is in liblightdm
[23:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I continue to see the odd bug report like that, yes
[23:01] <mterry> robert_ancell, ok.  maybe you should whip up a patch then, or I can try to figure it out tomorrow
[23:01] <robert_ancell> mterry, ok