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| FourDollars | Hi, I have a bug. It just needs to rebuild the package to solve. | 03:02 |
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| FourDollars | How can I do that for Ubuntu quantal? | 03:02 |
| FourDollars | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/1028746 | 03:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1028746 in ibus-chewing (Ubuntu Quantal) "quantal alpha3: ibus-engine-chewing crashed with SIGABRT in __assert_fail_base()" [Medium,Confirmed] | 03:04 |
| tjaalton | hallyn: yes, the ubuntu branch | 03:55 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:07 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:49 |
| dholbach | tjaalton, happy birthday! :) | 07:00 |
| tjaalton | dholbach: thx :) | 07:01 |
| didrocks | happy birthday tjaalton ;) | 07:01 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: :) | 07:02 |
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| Daviey | jtaylor: hey, did you investigate what pwlib used to be used for? | 08:23 |
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| xnox | FourDollars: if you want a no-change rebuild, please subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug. | 08:38 |
| FourDollars | xnox: Thank you. :) | 08:39 |
| xnox | FourDollars: is it just your package that needs rebuilding or a wider set of packages? everything that depends on particular versions of ibus? | 08:39 |
| FourDollars | xnox: Not sure. | 08:39 |
| FourDollars | xnox: I am only sure for ibus-chewing. | 08:39 |
| xnox | FourDollars: ideally we want package uninstallable if there was an api/abi bump. Or a proper transition in place for all rdeps of ibus.... | 08:40 |
| xnox | FourDollars: that's ok. | 08:40 |
| FourDollars | xnox: IIRC, there is no such mechanism in Ubuntu archives. Right? | 08:41 |
| xnox | FourDollars: sure there is. | 08:41 |
| xnox | FourDollars: tick good on this page http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/boost1.49.html | 08:42 |
| xnox | FourDollars: or see this in progress transition http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/gnutls28.html | 08:42 |
| FourDollars | xnox: Thanks for your information. | 08:42 |
| xnox | we also have uninstallation reports and other bits and bobs ;-) | 08:43 |
| cjwatson | Or just do it if it's a small number | 08:43 |
| FourDollars | xnox: I don't see any ibus relative under http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/ . | 08:43 |
| xnox | FourDollars: either it's small, not done/setup, or ibus had incompatible changes without bumping shlib depends/soname. | 08:44 |
| FourDollars | OK. | 08:45 |
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| gsedej_work | hi! I am trying ubuntu 12.10. Where is "logout", i wish to choose some other DE | 10:22 |
| mitya57 | gsedej_work: support is in #ubuntu | 10:23 |
| gsedej_work | ubuntu 12.10 beta? | 10:23 |
| ogra_ | for 12.10 i think its rather #ubuntu+1 | 10:23 |
| gsedej_work | oh, sorry, i didn't see it in channel list | 10:24 |
| mitya57 | well, the logout button didn't change in 12.10 :) | 10:24 |
| gsedej_work | sorry for bothering | 10:24 |
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| mpt | ev, the #100 crash in 12.10 is in worldofgoo | 11:48 |
| ev | nice | 11:48 |
| mpt | The first sign of importance for giving access to independent upstreams | 11:49 |
| ev | yeah, we can't possibly retrace those at the moment | 11:49 |
| ev | but great that we're actually getting them | 11:50 |
| cjwatson | The number of people still installing beta-1 is a little scary | 11:51 |
| infinity | The number of people who install milestones more than a few days after we release them scares me. :/ | 11:51 |
| infinity | But, I guess if you have the ISO lying around. | 11:52 |
| mpt | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta1 gives no clue that beta 2 is out, that I can see | 11:52 |
| infinity | mpt: Why would it? | 11:52 |
| cjwatson | That's more understandable; it's only relatively recently that daily builds have been worth bothering with | 11:52 |
| infinity | mpt: Do the oneiric release notes point to precise? | 11:52 |
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| cjwatson | mpt: Ah, now that at least is readily fixable, although the question presupposes a charming belief that users read the tech overview ... | 11:53 |
| mpt | infinity, why wouldn't it? | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | I think it's reasonable for milestone notes to point forward | 11:53 |
| mpt | infinity, for people who have heard that beta 1 has been released, and haven't heard that beta 2 has also | 11:53 |
| infinity | mpt: I'm not saying that obsolescence notes on release notes might not be a cool idea, just that we've never done it before that I know of, hence my wondering at your wondering. :) | 11:53 |
| * cjwatson adds a bold-face note to the top | 11:54 | |
| infinity | cjwatson: And the alphas! | 11:55 |
| mpt | cjwatson, good -- is there also a checklist for "things to do when a beta/final is released" to which that step can be added? | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | Probably ought to but have other things to do | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | mpt: BetaProcess. But I'm not bothering since I hear milestones may not be happening next cycle | 11:55 |
| * infinity isn't quite sure why we have one set of notes per milestone at all, rather than just a cumulative document for Q that ends up being the final notes. | 11:56 | |
| mpt | Two eminently plausible ways to solve the problem | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | Wouldn't hurt to archive some more of the beta-1 images, either | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | I'll do that later today | 11:56 |
| doko | cyphermox, yubiserver ftbfs | 11:58 |
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| doko | cjwatson, a lot of the amd64 only build failures (found now 7) seem to be caused by changed dpkg-dev behaviour. all have in common that either the install target is called in the build step, or that there are missing dependencies for the build-arch target. these build failures are not seen in unstable | 12:27 |
| cjwatson | well, unstable or not, they are surely bugs | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | I don't see any obviously-relevant changes in dpkg on either side, although I've only checked changelogs | 12:32 |
| cjwatson | But at this point I'd rather fix those packages than change dpkg anyway | 12:32 |
| doko | looking through the amd64 only ftbfs now | 12:35 |
| xnox | I had something like that with addons, e.g. dh_sphinxdoc -a fails | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | That doesn't sound related. | 12:38 |
| xnox | so I had to make dh_sphinxdoc call only in binary-indep | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | Unless DH_OPTIONS is wrong as a result of the above. | 12:38 |
| xnox | oh and that one was reproducible in sid, so different problem. | 12:39 |
| buxy | kees: Next meeting is 2012-19-15 %-) | 12:43 |
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| smoser | cyphermox, do you think i'm way off assuming bug 1058517 and bug 1058987 | 12:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1058517 in dbus (Ubuntu) "upgrade of dbus causes unclean unmount of /" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058517 | 12:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1058987 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "In Quantal, the root filesystem is not cleanly unmounted at shutdown or reboot" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058987 | 12:52 |
| smoser | are related | 12:52 |
| cyphermox | smoser: not necessarily | 13:07 |
| cyphermox | it looked weird too, since I could have sworn that piece of code (in NM to stop dnsmasq) used to work, and certainly didn't change significantly enough to cause this | 13:08 |
| smoser | and in the cloud imageswhere i see this, i have no network manager | 13:08 |
| smoser | but do have dbus | 13:08 |
| smoser | (and this was in precise) | 13:09 |
| cyphermox | ok | 13:09 |
| cyphermox | I'm still going to look at dnsmasq/NM closely to be sure | 13:09 |
| cyphermox | (since the reporter days they can avoid this by removing dnsmasq-base) | 13:09 |
| smoser | cyphermox, right. that didn't make much sense to me either. | 13:10 |
| smoser | i'm not even sure how i became aware of your bug. | 13:10 |
| cyphermox | hehe | 13:11 |
| cyphermox | fwiw, I don't understand because dnsmasq is reportedly no longer running, otherwise things would hang earlier and get caught by report_unkillable in sendsigs | 13:12 |
| cyphermox | or at the very least I should always be able to see it on all my systems | 13:13 |
| smoser | cyphermox, well, any thoughts you have, i'd be interested in. | 13:14 |
| smoser | because this is pretty serious a regression in precise | 13:14 |
| cyphermox | smoser: "Also, doing a fully up-to-date netinstall works fine until I install network-manager-gnome (which pulls in dnsmasq-base). That's when this bug starts to show up." | 13:14 |
| Laney | @pilot in | 13:14 |
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| cyphermox | also, this is a bug in quantal, not precise | 13:14 |
| cyphermox | maybe it's really two different things | 13:14 |
| smoser | cyphermox, right. | 13:14 |
| mpt | Hm, the #1 crash for Ubuntu users overall right now <http://launchpad.net/bugs/821233> is from software that is unmaintained <https://answers.launchpad.net/weather-indicator/+question/209454> | 13:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 821233 in indicator-weather (Ubuntu) "indicator-weather crashed with AttributeError in export_location_details(): Location instance has no attribute 'location_code'" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:27 |
| doko | pitti, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118057586/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.vala-0.10_0.10.4-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 13:33 |
| doko | this is the same error as for ubuntu-drivers-common ... | 13:34 |
| pitti | not for the same service, though; but yes, timed out while waiting for a service to get activated | 13:34 |
| doko | but I can't see how this connects to a swap space issue | 13:35 |
| pitti | swapping makes everything grind to a halt, so everythingthat does I/O (that includes d-bus service activation) just takes ages | 13:36 |
| pitti | or at least slow enough to trigger some race conditiosn | 13:36 |
| pitti | but this is amd64, not arm | 13:36 |
| doko | pitti: do you know it is swapping? I doubt it | 13:36 |
| pitti | so apparently this is a different problem | 13:36 |
| doko | the arm build is only 12min, so it doesn't like to be a timeout | 13:37 |
| cjwatson | Damn, rebootstrapping eclipse-mylyn didn't fix eclipse-egit | 13:37 |
| cjwatson | Wonder what's going on there | 13:37 |
| pitti | doko: well, it's "slowness"; I just parrot infinity when he said that since the upgrade our arm builders have to do a lot more swapping | 13:37 |
| doko | pitti: but here I can't see any reason for that | 13:38 |
| pitti | doko: right; pitti | so apparently this is a different problem | 13:38 |
| doko | cjwatson, I think I did address all binary-arch issues, maybe uw-imap is another one | 13:40 |
| Laney | infinity: would you like to take care of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/1000498 ? | 13:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1000498 in eglibc (Ubuntu Quantal) "fmod() incorrectly returns NaN for (some?) denormalized inputs" [Medium,In progress] | 13:55 |
| infinity | Laney: Yeah, it's on my TODO today, since I need to re-do my SRU upload ANYWAY. | 13:55 |
| infinity | (Thanks, security team) | 13:55 |
| infinity | (I'm not bitter) | 13:55 |
| Laney | Pfft, security, what do we need THAT for? | 13:56 |
| cjwatson | jamespage: I could use help with the eclipse-egit build failure; it's not making a lot of sense to me, as those plug-ins do seem to exist. But I'm not sure where Eclipse might be looking. | 13:59 |
| jamespage | cjwatson, looking now | 14:01 |
| jamespage | cjwatson, ergh - that looks like osgi terror - lemme see if I can dig out the DM | 14:03 |
| nikitis | Where can one apply for steam linux beta? | 14:08 |
| cjwatson | jamespage: Hmm, some dependencies were dropped between Debian and Ubuntu | 14:09 |
| barry | jodh: ping | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | jamespage: Aha, installing those missing dependencies did it. So eclipse-mylyn has misbuilt | 14:12 |
| * cjwatson hopes this wasn't the result of his bootstrapping attempt | 14:13 | |
| jamespage | cjwatson, not sure I understand - I would suspect some sort of odd bootstrap sequence to get this stuff working in Debian from scratch so that might make sense | 14:13 |
| infinity | cjwatson: What did you do to break it? :) | 14:13 |
| cjwatson | Installed eclipse-egit from Debian | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | The -mylyn build log has stuff like: | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | jh_installeclipse: Cannot determine the package providing /usr/share/java/httpclient.jar. | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | Which looks possibly relevant | 14:14 |
| infinity | Missing build-deps? | 14:14 |
| cjwatson | libhttpclient-java is there | 14:15 |
| cjwatson | JDK 6 vs. 7? | 14:15 |
| infinity | That seems likely. | 14:15 |
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| cjwatson | But it just uses dpkg -S for that check | 14:17 |
| jodh | barry: howdi | 14:17 |
| barry | jodh: hi! sorry about crossing signals on that bug. i tried to find you on irc but i think it was past your eod | 14:18 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Which would imply the files don't exist... | 14:18 |
| cjwatson | And yet. | 14:18 |
| jodh | barry: np! | 14:18 |
| barry | jodh: did you see the patch and test i uploaded? i wonder if it makes sense to pull those into your mp for lp:python-apt? | 14:18 |
| * infinity scratches his head... | 14:20 | |
| cjwatson | Trying to construct a matching build locally now. | 14:20 |
| jodh | barry: I think mvo has already taken both your + my code and put it into the ubuntu branch. | 14:21 |
| Laney | please can someone reject https://code.launchpad.net/~schumski-deactivatedaccount-deactivatedaccount/ubuntu/quantal/kmess/1045090/+merge/122427 per the comment there | 14:22 |
| barry | jodh: great! i still have a few comments about the mp, so i'll just follow up there and let mvo dtrt. | 14:22 |
| stgraber | Laney: marked as work-in-progress | 14:22 |
| Laney | stgraber: if that gets it off the list, cool | 14:23 |
| Laney | (I could have done that too) | 14:23 |
| * dholbach hugs Laney | 14:23 | |
| stgraber | Laney: no you can't do that yourself, you need to be in ~ubuntu-branches (so basically be a TB member) | 14:23 |
| Laney | I get the option | 14:23 |
| Laney | Work in progress, Needs review, Merged | 14:23 |
| * xnox too | 14:23 | |
| stgraber | oh, is that new? | 14:24 |
| xnox | that is not "Rejected" though. | 14:24 |
| stgraber | anyway, yes, work in progress will get it off the report | 14:24 |
| xnox | and sounds nicer =) | 14:24 |
| mvo | barry: I merged a bunch of stuff this morning, I did not see a MP from you though? did I miss that? (just from from jodh) | 14:25 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I bet it's just sketchy parsing of "dpkg -l" in perl that the new dpkg may have broken. | 14:25 |
| cjwatson | It's possible. I should be able to tell once I get far enough through the build (unfortunately it's a bit slow). | 14:25 |
| barry | mvo: no, i didn't get around to doing the mp. was going to do that today, but i think i won't need to. you grabbed the package patch i applied for LP: #1030278 right? | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1030278 in the python apt bindings "Quantal failed to install: ubiquity crashed in apt/progress/text.py in pulse: OverflowError: Python int too large to convert to C long" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1030278 | 14:26 |
| Laney | jodh: would you care to continue reviewing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zabbix/+bug/1047837 ? | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1047837 in zabbix (Ubuntu) "Upstart support for Zabbix services" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:28 |
| barry | jodh, mvo i added a few comments to https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/python-apt/test-for-size_to_str/+merge/127435 | 14:29 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Or not. A simple copy-and-paste reduced test case from javahelper spits out package and version just fine. | 14:30 |
| cjwatson | It's not locale-dependent or something, is it? | 14:30 |
| cjwatson | (I do wish eclipse* didn't have 100MB-plus build-deps from universe.) | 14:31 |
| infinity | LANG=C seems to behave fine too. | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | C.UTF-8? | 14:31 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Installing just libhttpclient-java is small. | 14:31 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, but since that apparently doesn't reproduce the problem ... | 14:32 |
| jodh | Laney: comment added. | 14:32 |
| infinity | Well, yes. But I'm stumped, cause it clearly has the right string there. | 14:32 |
| Laney | ty | 14:32 |
| infinity | Which it then passes to the sub that I copied verbatim. | 14:32 |
| infinity | And it works. | 14:32 |
| infinity | >:( | 14:32 |
| mvo | barry: thanks, I'm in a call now wil comment in a bit | 14:32 |
| jodh | barry: thanks. | 14:33 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Any chance those strings could be null-terminated or something wonky? | 14:38 |
| infinity | cjwatson: That would asplode the dpkg -S | 14:38 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, not sure yet | 14:39 |
| mfisch | Riddell: ping | 14:42 |
| Riddell | hi mfisch | 14:42 |
| mfisch | Riddell: hey, I'll test my deb in a bit here and let you know in the defect | 14:43 |
| Riddell | mfisch: point me at it and I can test too | 14:44 |
| mfisch | Riddell: okay, need to finish up a phone call first | 14:44 |
| ev | ugh, yes python-apt, what I really mean by "extract this deb" is "create a lot of empty directories for each symlink you encounter." | 14:48 |
| ogra_ | oh, that fix to bug 390247 looks tempting | 14:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 390247 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Change I/O scheduler to NOOP when installing in SSD Drive or virtual machines" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390247 | 14:51 |
| * ogra_ wonders if there are any drawbacks using udev rules like that | 14:51 | |
| xnox | ogra_: hmm... is the scheduler per drive? what if I have one rotational and one SSD ? | 14:53 |
| Laney | jcastro_: do you know when the HP cloud trial finished/finishes? | 14:53 |
| ogra_ | yes, it is | 14:53 |
| xnox | ogra_: that's ok then. Upload on day one or r-series? | 14:53 |
| ogra_ | xnox, well i wonder if it could help with bug 864051 as well somehow | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 864051 in partman-target (Ubuntu) "TRIM support not enabled for SSDs" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864051 | 14:54 |
| xnox | ogra_: I like the bug 390247 solution better. If we can enable trim/ change scheduler on the fly the better. | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 390247 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Change I/O scheduler to NOOP when installing in SSD Drive or virtual machines" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390247 | 14:55 |
| mfisch | Riddell: it will be built in a bit, I haven't tried it yet: https://launchpad.net/~mfisch/+archive/testing/+packages | 14:55 |
| mfisch | Riddell: it's looking like it will be a few hours before I can install it | 14:56 |
| xnox | ogra_: the caveat here, if we get it wrong we may wear one of the other out. | 14:56 |
| xnox | s/of/or/ | 14:56 |
| ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Devel/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers-tegra-16.0$ cat /sys/block/sdd/queue/scheduler | 14:56 |
| ogra_ | [noop] deadline cfq | 14:56 |
| ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Devel/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers-tegra-16.0$ cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler | 14:56 |
| ogra_ | noop [deadline] cfq | 14:56 |
| ogra_ | wrt your first question | 14:56 |
| jcastro_ | Laney, they have not given me an exact date. | 14:57 |
| jcastro_ | Laney, basically, keep an eye on it, lmk if they start charging you. | 14:57 |
| Laney | jcastro_: OK, I'm kind of scared to use it any more for this reason | 14:57 |
| ogra_ | xnox, hmm, i thought if the HW doesnt support TRIM it simply wont be used | 14:57 |
| jcastro_ | you're an employee, we have a cloud policy you can expense. | 14:57 |
| Laney | heh | 14:58 |
| xnox | ogra_: but schedulers are available for all drives? | 14:58 |
| ogra_ | xnox, the question is, can we tell it somehow through sysfs to use TRIM or is that only possible as mount option | 14:58 |
| jcastro_ | And that would enable us to know if they did start charging us so I can tell community members to either stop or keep going. | 14:58 |
| ogra_ | ogra@anubis:~/Devel/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers-tegra-16.0$ ls /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler | 14:58 |
| ogra_ | /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler /sys/block/sdc/queue/scheduler /sys/block/sdd/queue/scheduler | 14:58 |
| ogra_ | grmpf ... IRC | 14:58 |
| lfaraone|sh | jcastro_: let me know, too, haha. they also ended their 50% discount on cloud usage. | 14:58 |
| xnox | jcastro_: Laney: don't they invoice monthly with no updates and that means, if they do invoice it's too late... | 14:59 |
| ogra_ | xnox, at least for all sdX ones | 14:59 |
| jcastro_ | xnox, yes, exactly | 14:59 |
| Laney | well, you'll then have to claim it back | 14:59 |
| Laney | as long as random usage is covered by this policy then it's cool by me | 14:59 |
| ogra_ | ah, also for sr0 loop and ram devices that i have here | 14:59 |
| Laney | like, I'll use it now to do this patch piloting since my PC sucks | 14:59 |
| jcastro_ | Laney, don't take my word for it, please read the internal cloud policy document (I don't have it handy) | 15:00 |
| xnox | Laney: didn't you brag about your new i7 on facebook?! | 15:00 |
| Laney | yeah but I'm working | 15:00 |
| Laney | can't be building PCs now can I :P | 15:00 |
| jcastro_ | I am kind of hoping they just love Ubuntu and leave the accounts open and free for the benefit of the project. :) | 15:00 |
| ogra_ | xnox, hah ! | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | xnox, http://lwn.net/Articles/515790/ | 15:02 |
| Laney | jcastro_: yeah just read it, seems like it would clearly be fine | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | so seems trim/discard should be tweakable through sysfs too with that patch | 15:04 |
| Laney | I'll give it a go then, thanks | 15:04 |
| xnox | ogra_: lol =) interesting. | 15:04 |
| jcastro_ | Laney, yeah, unfortunately I have no way of finding out when/if they shut it off, I figure it's better for us to find out than having a community member stuck with a bill | 15:05 |
| jcastro_ | xnox, did you ever do the rebuild thing on HP cloud? | 15:05 |
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| xnox | jcastro_: i did do recompress https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-dpkg-xz | 15:08 |
| xnox | for that blueprint | 15:08 |
| xnox | of amd64, all, dbgsym packages. | 15:08 |
| xnox | using hadoop cluster on top of HPCloud. | 15:08 |
| Laney | isn't there a problem with using xz in the base system, or something? | 15:09 |
| * Laney can't remember exactly | 15:09 | |
| Laney | something to do with debootstrap maybe | 15:09 |
| cjwatson | There certainly was at one point, and may still be. | 15:10 |
| * lfaraone|sh is reducing his usage to ~3 XS instances, as a precaution. | 15:10 | |
| xnox | Laney: cjwatson: but it is awesome for -dbgsym packages =) | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | infinity: Argh. eclipse-mylyn got the right dependencies when built locally. | 15:13 |
| Laney | yeah, I'm sure the ddeb archive will thank you | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | xnox: You could fix -dbgsym easily independently, in pkg-create-dbgsym. | 15:13 |
| xnox | cjwatson: yes. | 15:13 |
| infinity | cjwatson: ... | 15:14 |
| cjwatson | (And no errors from jh_installeclipse.) | 15:14 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Well, that fits with my by-hand unit-test of test.pl, but that's pretty unhelpful. | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | I might try another build in a PPA to see if it's cosmic rays. | 15:15 |
| infinity | cjwatson: That's some serious cosmic rays... | 15:15 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I guess filesystem corruption could have thrown a null in the perl script... Somehow? | 15:15 |
| xnox | cjwatson: and then we can discuss if we fill flip the xz switch elsewhere e.g. (amd64, i386, all, armel, armhf, powerpc) x (debs, ddebs, udebs) x (lamba function of your choice) | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | xnox: Personally I'm not interested in doing this independently of Debian. | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | Too much hassle for too little gain. | 15:16 |
| xnox | ok. | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | Debian seems to be showing signs of wanting to do it in the near future anyway. | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | So if we do it ourselves, that's potentially a non-trivial amount of work that might well be superseded in not very long anyway ... | 15:17 |
| infinity | Indeed, it was hotly discussed at Debconf. | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | pitti, any opinion about bug 390247 ? i think we shoudl ship it, but i'm not sure where to add it, udev or udisks ... | 15:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 390247 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Change I/O scheduler to NOOP when installing in SSD Drive or virtual machines" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390247 | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | So why not contribute our effort to making it work right in Debian, if that's what we want to do | 15:17 |
| infinity | Though, mostly just from the POV of twiddling debhelper's defaults. | 15:17 |
| infinity | (And their defaults may still end up not being what we want, given that people think "slow arches" don't deserve good compression, so we'll see) | 15:17 |
| infinity | I tried to fight that mentality as hard as I could. | 15:18 |
| xnox | or look at the stats and identify packages that are not gaining anything from compression, and e.g. initiate fixing those pre-compressed packages. | 15:18 |
| infinity | xnox: Yeah, a lot of compressed stuff shouldn't be. | 15:19 |
| infinity | xnox: And some stuff should be gz instead of xz, and, and.. But the per-package tweaks are orthogonal to picking a sane default. | 15:20 |
| xnox | infinity: especially after we already optimise our pngs for example. | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | I realise there are some sub-block files where it makes no difference; but "fixing" many others might well entail making the installed system bigger. | 15:20 |
| cjwatson | Which isn't a good side-effect. | 15:20 |
| infinity | cjwatson: We're talking debs specifically, hard to make the installed system bigger by changing compression of debs... | 15:21 |
| infinity | (At least, I think we are) | 15:21 |
| xnox | cjwatson: how would the installed size change? | 15:21 |
| * xnox agrees with infinity | 15:21 | |
| cjwatson | "fixing those pre-compressed packages" - any pre-compression is going to be individual files inside those .debs, surely. | 15:22 |
| infinity | cjwatson: When I talk about "some stuff shouldn't be compressed", I literally mean some data.tar.gz components should be data.tar (openclipart is a great example). | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | Oh, I see | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | Apparently nobody's doing that right now since LP doesn't support it | 15:23 |
| infinity | Yeah, we noticed that in the BOF. ;) | 15:23 |
| cjwatson | So you might want to fix that first | 15:23 |
| infinity | dak supports it because they tore out the component filename check a while ago. | 15:23 |
| infinity | soyuz should likely just do the same. | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | Probably. | 15:24 |
| infinity | (Or maybe you pulled it out when you decided it was crusty and unnecessary...?) | 15:24 |
| infinity | I dunno, I don't have a checkout in front of me. | 15:24 |
| xnox | should I upload at tar compressed package to a ppa? | 15:25 |
| xnox | or does it need to be archive? | 15:25 |
| infinity | xnox: PPA would explode the same way. But I'm not sure I care deeply to test this morning, and finding the relevant bit of code is minimal effort. :P | 15:25 |
| * xnox goes to make coffee instead =) | 15:26 | |
| ogra_ | coffee ! | 15:26 |
| Laney | slangasek: If you need any more debugging info on that mountall bug, shout soon because this system is going to be flattened tonight | 15:28 |
| slangasek | Laney: flattened? | 15:39 |
| Laney | slangasek: replaced | 15:39 |
| slangasek | Laney: so one thing I noticed in the output was /media/debian/var/lib/schroot/union/overlay mounted before /var/lib/schroot/union/overlay, which looks like it's probably wrong, but I'm not sure | 15:40 |
| cjwatson | infinity: Search for verifyFormat (at least) | 15:41 |
| slangasek | Laney: would be interested to know if you get different results when commenting out either or both of that mount point, and the non-standard /cgroup one | 15:41 |
| Laney | OK, can do that | 15:41 |
| cjwatson | Probably ought to run dpkg-deb -I or something | 15:41 |
| Laney | no clue where the second overlay came from | 15:41 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Yeah, I feel like we've had this conversation before. | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | It's not impossible | 15:42 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Cause I remember verifying that dpkg-deb -I exits non-zero on broken archives. | 15:42 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Of course, that approach also requires making sure soyuz's dpkg always support the latest and greatest deb formats, but I suspect that's a sane thing to require anyway. | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | infinity: ICBW but I think I landed something else a while back which means that it has to nowadays. | 15:46 |
| slangasek | Laney: I presume that schroot did some session recovery and mounted it within a chroot for you? But it looks like it's doing this too early | 15:49 |
| Laney | /media/debian is an installation of sid on another partition | 15:50 |
| Laney | I can't remember how I set this up :P | 15:51 |
| brendand_ | who's in charge of errors.ubuntu.com? | 15:52 |
| stgraber | brendand_: ev | 15:53 |
| * ev hides | 15:53 | |
| brendand_ | ev, who can have access? there's an upstream maintainer who wants to access it | 15:53 |
| brendand_ | ev, at least they say they are | 15:54 |
| mitya57 | that's me actually :) | 15:54 |
| brendand_ | mitya57, i'm sure you are :) | 15:54 |
| mitya57 | I'm Ubuntu maintainer, not only upstream | 15:54 |
| ev | brendand_: at the moment it's only people in ~canonical or ~ubuntu-bugcontrol | 15:54 |
| ev | so getting into the latter group would be my suggestion. :) | 15:55 |
| ev | we do want to open it up to a wider audience, but there are serious privacy concerns | 15:55 |
| ev | as anything at all can be in the crashes | 15:55 |
| mitya57 | I definitely plan to do that, but I want to become a Ubuntu member first, which won't be possible until November :( | 15:56 |
| pitti | ogra_: I don't have an opinion about this, I'm afraid; I know nothing about schedulers :( | 15:56 |
| pitti | ogra_: I do know that linux sucks while doing heavy I/O, especially on my rather fast SSD | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | pitti, no, but you know where device rules usually live := | 15:56 |
| pitti | so maybe this alleviates it a bit | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | :) | 15:56 |
| brendand_ | mitya57, no reason to do it that way around. i was in bug-control first and then only after ubuntu-members | 15:56 |
| brendand_ | mitya57, in fact bug-control membership can be valuable collateral for your application | 15:56 |
| ogra_ | pitti, the rule is correct ... its just about where to put it | 15:56 |
| pitti | ogra_: well, if you mean that, a rule like this would never go into udev itself; it's a workaround for bad kernel defaults (if it is a bad default) | 15:57 |
| pitti | at least not upstream | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | its not | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | its something the kernel cant detect (yet) | 15:57 |
| pitti | so if the kernel can't detect it, how can userspace? | 15:57 |
| pitti | but anyway, if you want to put rules into udev, you know where the bzr tree lives :) | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | theoretically the kernel shoudl just notice the device is an SSD and set the right default scheduler | 15:57 |
| mitya57 | brendand_: ok, so I'll apply when I have some time, can you still show me that crash? | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | well, the kernel exposes the feature to userspace ... but doesnt do any proper automated handling of it yet | 15:58 |
| smagoun | Hi, would someone review this bug and (hopefully) mark it public? Apport has identified it as the master bug for an issue, I'd like to see the master bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/883615 | 15:58 |
| ubottu | Error: malone bug 883615 not found | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | pitti, so rather udev than udisks ? | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | (that was my actual question ;) ) | 15:58 |
| brendand_ | mitya57, anyway i have the screenshot here (of the python stack trace). i'm pretty sure there's nothing confidential/private shown so unless ev wants to veto it i can post the link here... | 15:59 |
| pitti | rather "fix the kernel", I'd say, but it's a nasty workaround rule no matter where it lives :) | 15:59 |
| stgraber | smagoun: done | 15:59 |
| smagoun | stgraber: thank you! | 16:00 |
| ev | brendand_: presumably you mean paste the text or put up a pastebin url of the contents - you shouldn't be able to get to the stack trace without going through open ID | 16:00 |
| ev | but I don't mind if you share the contents :) | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | pitti, whats nasty about it ? i prevents your SSD from wearing out and increases performance :) | 16:00 |
| pitti | ogra_: I mean having userspace rules to fix broken defaults (that's why it wouldn't go upstream) | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | andi agree it should be fixed in kernel eventually | 16:01 |
| xnox | ogra_: i'd stick it into hdparam package or something like that. | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | well, its not defaults, but rather missing handling of them | 16:01 |
| pitti | ogra_: so for packaging, I guess it's fine to put it into udev, as that has an ubuntu specific packaging anyway, so doesn't introduce a delta; but I don't mind much which package it ends up in | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | xnox, hmm, i think that would add a depends on udev, no ? | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | pitti, thanks :) | 16:02 |
| pitti | no, it's just shipping a file | 16:02 |
| pitti | if udev isn't installed, the rule wouldn't work anyway | 16:02 |
| brendand_ | ev, heh - pastebin would be even better :) assuming mitya57 is only interested in the stack trace? | 16:02 |
| pitti | but then again, you can't uninstall udev | 16:02 |
| * pitti waves good night | 16:03 | |
| pitti | need to run now | 16:03 |
| brendand_ | mitya57, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1256228/ | 16:03 |
| mitya57 | thanks brendand_! | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | ciao pitti and thanks again | 16:03 |
| brendand_ | mitya57, and do get bug-control sooner rather than later :) make your life easier | 16:05 |
| mitya57 | brendand_: sure | 16:05 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, hi. I'd like to have your advice on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-photos/+bug/1049090. It's a OEM team request to change a lens shortcut (Super+P to Super+C). | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1049090 in OEM Priority Project quantal "The shortcut Super + P of photo lens is conflict to Video out hotkey" [High,Confirmed] | 16:08 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, is this shortcut documented? | 16:11 |
| ev | pitti: any objections to depending on python3-debian? I had to rework that merge | 16:14 |
| ev | python-debian is in main | 16:14 |
| ev | I'll need to work out a MIR for python3-debian | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | No, you don't | 16:15 |
| ev | ORLY | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | MIRs are by source package | 16:15 |
| ev | oh, right | 16:15 |
| ev | cheers | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | python3-debian can be promoted as soon as something depends on it | 16:15 |
| ev | woohoo | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | (Or just in advance, if that's more convenient - but not too much in advance so that we don't spend too long with junk in component-mismatches) | 16:16 |
| jbicha | davidcalle: yes http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/quantal/view/head:/ubuntu-help/C/unity-dash-photos.page | 16:17 |
| smoser | slangasek, i'm guessing that this is fallout of the mountall change | 16:20 |
| smoser | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/1060296 | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1060296 in coreutils (Ubuntu) "'df /' reports Filesystem '-'" [Undecided,New] | 16:20 |
| jbicha | but Super+P as a video out shortcut isn't in ubuntu-docs | 16:21 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, I see. It's apparently a standard for some OEM. | 16:24 |
| slangasek | smoser: please get me the boot-time output of mountall --verbose | 16:24 |
| smoser | slangasek, isnt it clear this is a fallout? | 16:25 |
| jbicha | davidcalle: we might be able to sed replace it, do different languages have different keyboard shortcuts? | 16:25 |
| jbicha | on the other hand, the Ubuntu Manual is almost string-frozen too | 16:25 |
| smoser | i can do that though. | 16:25 |
| slangasek | smoser: knowing that it's fallout doesn't tell me how to fix it | 16:25 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, no, same shortcut. | 16:25 |
| smoser | well, mountall is trying to write stuff to /etc/mtab before / is rw | 16:26 |
| smoser | because we told it to mount other stuff before / is rw | 16:26 |
| slangasek | smoser: I need the debugging output from the machine where this is happening | 16:26 |
| smoser | :) | 16:26 |
| jbicha | davidcalle: ok, I guess it's fixable with a text replacement, but... | 16:29 |
| Laney | @pilot out | 16:29 |
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| jbicha | currently all the lenses are ordered alphabetically in English, and photo lens or even picture lens sounds better than camera lens | 16:30 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, I know, that's why I'm worried about this. The new shortcut has been decided on this morning, the comment timeline on the report is... well, let's say it could have been fixed a long time ago. :/ | 16:30 |
| jbicha | so changing the shortcut would make other stuff more inconsistent | 16:30 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, I agree. | 16:31 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, but Super+P is an OEM blocker. | 16:32 |
| jbicha | davidcalle: while you're here, my wife really hates that there aren't tooltips to let people know what the different lenses are | 16:32 |
| jbicha | I need to bug the designers about that since it's a wife blocker ;) | 16:33 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, I thought the social bird was pretty clear ;-) | 16:33 |
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| jbicha | I don't know, it hasn't landed yet... the applications icon isn't clear at all though | 16:34 |
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| davidcalle | jbicha, it isn't. About tooltips I think it would be nice to experiment with it, or to redesign the lens bar completely to accomodate icons + text. | 16:38 |
| mvo | barry: had a bit of a busy afternoon, please merge from lp:~mvo/python-apt/debian-sid-mirror that will contain some of your suggestions :) | 16:41 |
| jbicha | davidcalle: let's see, GNOME Shell & Android both use a bunch of squares to represent "All Applications" | 16:41 |
| jbicha | davidcalle: anyway, the keyboard shortcut change could get an UIFe, it's just less clear that it's the right change to make | 16:46 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, they both use it in the same context as other app icons, i'm not sure it would work here. | 16:46 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, could you make this comment on the report, to have it seen by design? Anything I need to do to make it a proper UIFE request? | 16:50 |
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| jbicha | davidcalle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#UserInterfaceFreeze_Exceptions | 16:54 |
| davidcalle | jbicha, ty | 16:55 |
| * cjwatson swears at Python 2. It can't die quickly enough | 16:55 | |
| cjwatson | Stupid bytes.decode() default encoding | 16:55 |
| Laney | slangasek: so commenting out those entries indeed made it boot with 2.41 | 16:58 |
| Laney | turns out /var/lib/schroot is a symlink to /media/debian/var/lib/schroot/ | 16:59 |
| Laney | and it works if I change the mount point to the real path rather than going through the symlink | 17:01 |
| slangasek | Laney: thanks, useful to know - can you mention that in the bug (if you haven't already)? | 17:02 |
| Laney | yeah, pasting it in now | 17:03 |
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| smoser | anyone seen this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1256365/ | 17:07 |
| infinity | smoser: Which part? | 17:08 |
| smoser | the failure | 17:08 |
| smoser | i've never seen thnat fail | 17:08 |
| smoser | (well, not like that) | 17:08 |
| infinity | Oh, I didn't notice that was fatal. | 17:08 |
| infinity | Is /home/ubuntu writeable? | 17:08 |
| smoser | yeah | 17:09 |
| smoser | actually, just creating that dir made it exit success | 17:09 |
| smoser | but still loud | 17:09 |
| infinity | Though, you'd think after going to all the trouble to make a tmpdir and put keyrings in it, it would also set the gpghome to that. | 17:09 |
| roaksoax | howdy! So i have a question regarding upgrades. So we had older maas install several files, including maas-celery.upstart. Now, in quantal, maas has simply become a virtual package. maas-celery.upstart no loonger exists anywhere | 17:09 |
| roaksoax | so on upgrade, maas-celey.upstart remains there | 17:09 |
| smoser | yeah. | 17:10 |
| roaksoax | any ideas of how to force the removal of those files that previous 'maas' package installed, when upgrading to new 'maas' (virtual) package? | 17:10 |
| smoser | and worse, if I create that directory, now i have root owned content in there. | 17:10 |
| infinity | roaksoax: Are you sure you mean virtual package, not metapackage? | 17:11 |
| infinity | roaksoax: I certainly see a "mass" package in quantal... | 17:11 |
| roaksoax | infinity: err yeah, metapackage :) | 17:11 |
| roaksoax | infinity: this is the new stuff that hasn't yet been uploaded to archives | 17:11 |
| infinity | roaksoax: man dpkg-maintscript-helper, see rm_conffile | 17:11 |
| roaksoax | infinity: cool thanks! | 17:12 |
| smoser | mvo, i'm guessing this is regression: | 17:18 |
| smoser | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1060335 | 17:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1060335 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "apt-add-repository fails" [Undecided,New] | 17:18 |
| infinity | Ahh, yeah, this calling GPG thing is shiny and new. | 17:20 |
| cjwatson | infinity: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118143204/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.eclipse-mylyn_3.8.0-1%2Bppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz hmmmm | 17:22 |
| cjwatson | Same symptom | 17:22 |
| cjwatson | Any bright ideas? I don't care about that PPA so I can push arbitrary debugging nonsense into it | 17:23 |
| infinity | smoser: Can you try editing ppa.py to add '"--homedir", tmp_keyring_dir' to GPG_DEFAULT_OPTIONS? | 17:25 |
| cjwatson | dpkg -S must be saying something since otherwise it wouldn't try dpkg -l. | 17:25 |
| cjwatson | I guess I could try PERLDB_OPTS='NonStop=1 AutoTrace' perl -d /usr/bin/jh_installeclipse | 17:26 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Oh weird. That's pretty bizzarely not what I was expecting. | 17:26 |
| infinity | cjwatson: This is probably where I'd upload a custom javahelper with random print()s in that subroutine to try to figure out WTF dpkg -S is returning. | 17:27 |
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| infinity | cjwatson: Or why it things pkg is unset. | 17:27 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Cause I can't even fathom why that's failing in production but not here. | 17:28 |
| infinity | smoser: Is that on quantal? | 17:30 |
| infinity | smoser: It looks to me like the precise upload DTRT, and quantal has an incomplete forward-port. | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | infinity: Check. Stupidly verbose javahelper coming up. | 17:31 |
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| smoser | infinity, quantal, yes. | 17:33 |
| infinity | cjwatson: It could still be dpkg -S not finding it, if it's just piping the output and ignoring the return. | 17:36 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Then you'd get a dpkg -l for "dpkg-query", which would return null. | 17:37 |
| cjwatson | It doesn't get into the dpkg -l unless dpkg -S returned some actual output. | 17:37 |
| cjwatson | On stdout. | 17:38 |
| cjwatson | "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /foo/bar" goes to stderr, so that won't get matched. | 17:38 |
| cjwatson | I think what actually happened is that something decided I didn't have enough odd puzzles. | 17:39 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: bug 1060249 is receiving a few duplicates now | 17:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1060249 in debconf (Ubuntu) "frontend crashed with signal 5 in g_node_copy_deep()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060249 | 17:44 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Yeah, it almost certainly failed for your benefit. Way to fight off dementia. | 17:48 |
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| slangasek | cjwatson: ^^ any idea about this debconf crash? looks like a new problem with the gnome frontend :/ | 18:06 |
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| ogra_ | oh, that really has a few dups | 18:07 |
| cjwatson | No, but surely a libglib-perl/libgtk2-perl bug ... | 18:07 |
| cjwatson | Probably doesn't help that libgtk2-perl currently fails to build | 18:08 |
| slangasek | ah fun | 18:08 |
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| cjwatson | slangasek: Every single one of the dups has been marked Invalid, presumably by apport due to lack of retraceability :-( | 18:11 |
| slangasek | score | 18:11 |
| cjwatson | So ... I have no idea. rls-q-incoming it I guess ... | 18:12 |
| cjwatson | Oh, it's already targeted | 18:12 |
| jtaylor | Riddell: you did the new taglib version? | 18:15 |
| jtaylor | Riddell: tfile.h includes a nonexistant file (tiostream.h) which breaks mediatomb | 18:15 |
| mvo | smoser: yeah, what infinity said earlier :/ | 18:23 |
| infinity | mvo: I'll be committing/uploading in a moment, don't worry about it. | 18:25 |
| infinity | mvo: (And don't read my POC patch, it was clearly broken) | 18:26 |
| barry | mvo: will look, thanks | 18:27 |
| infinity | mvo: Okay, fix uploaded and committed. | 18:33 |
| infinity | smoser: Done with the instance, thanks. | 18:33 |
| cjwatson | Huh. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118149510/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-i386.eclipse-mylyn_3.8.0-1%2Bppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | Not being printed by 'dpkg -l | grep -E ^ii'. | 18:36 |
| cjwatson | I'll have to finish up now and look again tomorrow though. | 18:36 |
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| mvo | infinity: weeh, thanks! | 18:37 |
| infinity | cjwatson: You weren't kidding about cranking the verbosity to ridiculous... | 18:37 |
| cjwatson | I'm going to dump out raw dpkg -l next. | 18:38 |
| mvo | infinity: I will commit a simplification to trunk soonish as python-apt has apt.auth.add_key_from_keyserver() now (since ~yesterday) that performs the same verification | 18:38 |
| infinity | mvo: Heh, fair enough. | 18:40 |
| mvo | infinity: but thanks for taking care of this it means I can call it a day and worry about this later | 18:41 |
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| infinity | mvo: NP. | 18:41 |
| clahey | Hey all. | 19:01 |
| clahey | I've got an internal bug assigned to me that points out that when I go to the Open With tab of the Properties dialog of a vmx file, it doesn't list vmware-player and vmware as options. | 19:02 |
| clahey | They're both there in the right click menu "Open With VMware Player" and "Open with VMware Workstation" | 19:02 |
| clahey | I'm curious how that dialog makes its list so that I can fix this. | 19:02 |
| Daviey | Gah, please can someone give me n00b lessons on the differnece between Reply and Reply-All. Seems i suck. | 19:03 |
| ogra_ | Daviey, ?? | 19:03 |
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| clahey | Daviey: I have that issue sometimes. I've decided to have the default be Reply All since that's almost always what I want, but when it's not, it can be pretty embarrassing. | 19:04 |
| Daviey | ogra_: ubuntu-devel, intended to send an offlist reply :) | 19:04 |
| ogra_ | use reply-to-list then :) | 19:05 |
| ogra_ | vs reply | 19:05 |
| * ogra_ never uses reply-all ... | 19:05 | |
| * Daviey notes he didn't have this problem with telnet as a mail client :) | 19:06 | |
| ogra_ | heh | 19:08 |
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| soren | Daviey: It also never happens with carrier pigeons. | 19:25 |
| soren | Daviey: Just saying. | 19:25 |
| clahey | soren: Are you saying you've never sent a flock of carrier pigeons when you meant to send only one? That happens to me ALL THE TIME. | 19:30 |
| dead_inside | thats why i keep a shotgun at my desk clahey | 19:31 |
| dead_inside | kill them before they reach everyone | 19:31 |
| clahey | dead_inside: Tou ché. | 19:31 |
| arges | infinity, hello. I finally got access to AMD hardware to verify pad.lv/979003. Any other verification you'd like to see on the hardware while rtg lets me use it? | 19:47 |
| infinity | arges: Nope, but I'll need to reupload all over again later tonight, cause the security update reverted it all. | 19:49 |
| infinity | arges: So, if Tim's going to let you have access to it for a day or two, I'll ping you as soon as I get a fresh upload in (probably by tomorrow). | 19:50 |
| arges | infinity, yea saw that,I was able to apply the diff cleanly on top, so it shouldn't be too bad | 19:50 |
| arges | infinity, ok perfect | 19:50 |
| infinity | arges: Yeah, it'll not be much effort. I want to nail one or two more bugs while I'm at it, though, since I have to re-upload anyway. | 19:50 |
| infinity | arges: Anyhow. I'll poke you about it tomorrow. I've been up for ~30h, it might be time for a nap. | 19:51 |
| arges | infinity, wow... yea sounds good | 19:52 |
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| TheBurrito | Anyone have tips for getting Ubuntu Core running on an Odroid-X? I've gotten Android 4.0.4 running, as well as the linaro image that hardkernel links to. I'm now using the original boot partitions with ubuntu-core as the root fs. I have copied all of the modules over from the linaro image to accompany the kernel with this new rootfs. I get serial consol output all the way up to fsck running. Is ubuntu core setup to run a serial | 19:59 |
| TheBurrito | console? | 19:59 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu core is intended for people who build images out of it (or as a cheap chroot if you are to lazy to debootstrap), its extremely minimal and totally unconfigured | 20:01 |
| ogra_ | you need to create a serial upstart job to make it start a getty on serial | 20:02 |
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| cjwatson | infinity: ahahahahahaha bonk | 20:03 |
| cjwatson | pi libhttpclient-java 4.1.1-2ubuntu1 all HTTP/1.1 compliant HTTP agent implementation | 20:03 |
| cjwatson | thanks, ... something | 20:04 |
| TheBurrito | I've tried that wihtout success. I followed the post at www.omappedia.com/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Core to no avail. I was hoping to get a lightweight rootfs to create a robotics platform. perhaps i'll get the server rootfs and start from there until my linux-fu is stronger. | 20:06 |
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| arges | micahg, hi. I have a backport that should be a no-change now. is there anything I need to change to get it on to the backports queue? pad.lv/943502 .. thanks | 20:06 |
| stgraber | TheMuso: heya. I'm looking at the casper bugs, any progress on bug 122024? | 20:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 122024 in casper (Ubuntu) "orca should automatically get started when braille is activated" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122024 | 20:14 |
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| TheBurrito | ogra_: I'm in. thanks for the pointer to upstart/getty. | 20:29 |
| tjaalton | hallyn: -qxl 0.1.0 needs spice-protocol 0.12.2 to build | 20:31 |
| tjaalton | bad upstream for not bumping the dep on configure.ac.. | 20:31 |
| hallyn | tjaalton: drat | 20:33 |
| tjaalton | so just update it :) | 20:34 |
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| hallyn | tjaalton: there is no 0.12.2 release, only 0.12 | 20:35 |
| tjaalton | it's tagged in git | 20:35 |
| hallyn | do we care about risking having different .orig.tar.gz than debian? or do we just stick git commit int he version #? | 20:36 |
| hallyn | well anyway, i'll put my best guess up at ppa:serge-hallyn/virt | 20:37 |
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| tjaalton | http://spice-space.org/download/releases/ has the tarball | 20:37 |
| hallyn | tjaalton: I'm perhaps missing something. a re you suggesting i use 0.12.0 tarball and push the patches on top? | 20:39 |
| tjaalton | no, update the package | 20:41 |
| tjaalton | bump it to 0.12.2 | 20:41 |
| tjaalton | oh it's in collab-maint | 20:42 |
| tjaalton | doesn't matter | 20:43 |
| hallyn | oh. feh. i was looking at spice. spice-protocl does indeed have a 0.12.2. tarball. <slap> | 20:44 |
| tjaalton | hehe :) | 20:44 |
| tjaalton | pushed -qxl git, just use the current one on the ubuntu branch | 20:45 |
| hallyn | tjaalton: ok so i tried that last night and got stuck - where should i get the tarball so i can debuild -S? | 20:48 |
| hallyn | there didn't seem to be a rule in debian/rules to make it | 20:48 |
| tjaalton | tarball for what? | 20:49 |
| tjaalton | use uscan --download-current | 20:49 |
| hallyn | (meanwhile, new spice-protocol pushed to ppa:serge-hallyn/virt) | 20:49 |
| hallyn | huh | 20:49 |
| hallyn | ok, will do, thx | 20:49 |
| tjaalton | also, I just deleted the files that diff-ignore tries to ignore but fails | 20:50 |
| tjaalton | to build the source package for my tests | 20:50 |
| tjaalton | hallyn: once you're satisfied, please upload if you think it's worth it. you know this spice stuff better than I do :) | 20:51 |
| hallyn | tjaalton: i don't believe i have the perms to push any of it :) | 20:51 |
| hallyn | but i'll test and ping you tomorrow if that' sok | 20:51 |
| tjaalton | ahh, ok then I can push it | 20:51 |
| tjaalton | sure thing | 20:51 |
| tjaalton | I'll get up in ~7h | 20:51 |
| hallyn | tjaalton: cool then i'll try to finish befor ebed :) thanks again, ttyl | 20:52 |
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| tjaalton | hallyn: great | 20:52 |
| melodie | hello | 20:53 |
| melodie | I have searched in several places where to ask for more info about blueprints, what can be done in this matter and what belongs elsewhere (for 2 ideas I would like to communicate) but didn't find yet a place where I can get adviced. Is there someone here who could tell me about it ? | 20:54 |
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| barry | tumbleweed: i requested your review on the mp for my branch for bug 935516. i'm not sure the fix is right, or whether we should wait a little longer to hear from upstream. comments are welcome. | 21:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 935516 in genshi (Ubuntu Quantal) "genshi version 0.6-2 FTBFS on i386 in precise" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935516 | 21:35 |
| zyga | pitti: ping | 21:39 |
| zyga | pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1007826 | 21:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1007826 in apport (Ubuntu) "crash with AssertionError: file stream must be in binary mode when trying to save report to file" [High,Fix released] | 21:39 |
| zyga | pitti: I just reproduced that on quantal | 21:39 |
| zyga | pitti: shall I repen it or file a new one (it was filed and fixedc on 2.2.4-0ubuntu1 and I have 2.6.1-0ubuntu1) | 21:40 |
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| hallyn | tjaalton: works like a charm! | 21:54 |
| tumbleweed | barry: yeah, I never did it myself, because I wasn't entirely sure wha tthe best solution was. But that seems appropriate for Ubuntu | 21:58 |
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| barry | tumbleweed: cool. unless you disagree, i'll upload that fix and we can always back it out, or resync to debian later | 21:59 |
| tumbleweed | sounds fine | 22:00 |
| barry | thx | 22:00 |
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| bryceh | anyone with NVIDIA graphics on precise want to help me test something real quick? | 22:12 |
| ion | bryceh: sure | 22:12 |
| bryceh | ion, thanks, I'll PM you the directions | 22:13 |
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| bryceh | thanks ion! | 22:18 |
| ion | np | 22:18 |
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| melodie | gn | 23:04 |
| Laney | Did something change to make me get mail for openstack-ubuntu-packagers? | 23:25 |
| Daviey | Laney: someone reviewed the moderated mail queue | 23:25 |
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