[14:48] <CarstenG> Hi at all
[14:48] <hannie> hey CarstenG
[14:48] <CarstenG> Hi hannie
[14:49] <hannie> everything ok with the screenshots?
[14:50] <hannie> CarstenG, do you happen to know what the link to crocodoc (Quantal) is?
[14:50] <hannie> I asked Kevin, but he may not be awake yet
[14:50] <CarstenG> no, sorry
[14:51] <hannie> np
[14:51] <hannie> I'll get an answer to my email shortly
[14:51] <CarstenG> What is crocodoc?
[14:51] <hannie> That is a shared document where everyone can add comment to the draft pdf of Quantal manual
[14:52] <hannie> It is meant so everyone can proofread and add comment where corrections are necessary
[14:52] <CarstenG> ah
[14:52] <CarstenG> ok
[14:53] <CarstenG> I think there was not yet any release for this draft, or?
[14:53] <hannie> very useful! I asked Kevin to send the link to the mailing list once more (I lost the previous email)
[14:54] <hannie> We'll see if Kevin has already put it on crocodoc
[14:55] <hannie> Although not everone has finished his editing work, we should have a reasonable draft by now
[14:56] <CarstenG> Yes, sure. We have a little delay with our draft releases. :-)
[14:56] <CarstenG> I just pushed the last screenshot.
[14:56] <hannie> good to hear. You have done a great job!
[14:57] <hannie> I am just finishing the Dutch translation of Precise version, 147 strings to go
[14:58] <CarstenG> Thanks.
[14:58] <CarstenG> Same to you for the translation
[14:58] <hannie> ;)
[14:59] <CarstenG> dutch will be the third finished version
[14:59] <hannie> of Precise? I think not
[14:59] <hannie> ah, yes 3rd
[14:59] <CarstenG> but I see 229
[14:59] <CarstenG> left strings...
[15:00] <CarstenG> or?
[15:00] <hannie> I am working in Precise, not Precise-e2 because of this fuzzies problem
[15:00] <hannie> Later I will try and merge the 2
[15:00] <CarstenG> ah, ok. Now is see
[15:01] <hannie> If it does not work well, I will publish Precise, not Precise-et. What's the difference?
[15:01] <CarstenG> well, some bug fixes
[15:01] <hannie> I refuse to do more copying and pasting or translating all over again :(
[15:01] <CarstenG> missing chapter{advanced topics} for example in precise...
[15:02] <hannie> ah, yes that was one of my own catches. I have to change that for sure
[15:03] <hannie> thanks for reminding me :)
[15:03] <CarstenG> you are welcome :-)
[15:04] <CarstenG> Do you have new info about the fuzzies problem in LP?
[15:04] <hannie> I gave up. --previous did not work and I do not get much support on LP (lack of manpower)
[15:05] <hannie> I understand they have so many other urgent matters to handle...
[15:07] <CarstenG> ok
[15:07] <hannie> The merging of msgid and msgstr is rather complicated in Launchpad, and I do not want to mess up things there
[15:07] <CarstenG> it's bad that you don't get much support there
[15:08] <hannie> it's sad, but as I said before, we are all volunteers with limited time on our hands
[15:08] <CarstenG> But if I remember correctly, you wanted to merge old translations to new po files based on the new pot file...
[15:09] <hannie> That is why we, Ubuntu Dutch Translators have decided to only translate the LTS versions of the manual
[15:10] <hannie> correct, but old translations are not transferred if there is only a slight difference in the msgid
[15:10] <hannie> Lokalize does this very well. I should contact the developers of Lokalize
[15:11] <hannie> Difference: Lokalize = offline, Launchpad=online
[15:12] <CarstenG> yes, this we could use, or? generate new po files offline and upload them to LP
[15:12] <CarstenG> then LP has "only" to recognize the fuzzies as suggestions.
[15:12] <hannie> I did merge Lucid (100% translated) with Precise
[15:13] <hannie> but LP throws the fuzzies away
[15:13] <hannie> when I upload the merged file to LP
[15:13] <CarstenG> BTW, do you mean this crocodoc? http://personal.crocodoc.com/HbPBlKU
[15:14] <CarstenG> its the precise version...
[15:14] <hannie> So now I have to copy the fuzzies from Lokalize to LP manually
[15:14] <hannie> If that is the Precise version, then it is not what I wanted
[15:14] <CarstenG> ah, that's the problem, I see.
[15:16] <hannie> Perhaps Kevin has not yet published the Quantal version after all
[15:16] <CarstenG> Yes, the other way is the same problem with LP. If you export the po files you don't get the suggestions. They are lost completely. AS fuzzies would be better..
[15:17] <hannie> right, complicated as I said :(
[15:17] <CarstenG> Do you have a bug report on LP for this fuzzies problem?
[15:17] <hannie> Well, sort of. Low priority for the last 2 years
[15:17] <CarstenG> So we could post the link on the list to increase the heat a little bit. :-)
[15:19] <hannie> this could be a solution, but first I should start another bug report explaining exactly what I want
[15:19] <hannie> The one I refer to is from David Planella (long time ago, and not exactly the same)
[15:20] <CarstenG> ah ok
[15:20] <hannie> But it is a good idea, which I will keep in mind
[15:20] <CarstenG> Yes
[15:20] <CarstenG> If there is no bug report, then nobody will fix it. :)
[15:21] <hannie> true, but I do not have much confidence that it can or will be fixed soon after I report it
[15:21] <hannie> Danilo Segan is a good guy, but het has lots of other priorities
[15:22] <hannie> *he
[15:22] <hannie> But thanks for helping me with this
[15:23] <CarstenG> Who is he?
[15:23] <hannie> He is a big shot at Launchpad
[15:23] <hannie> daniloS
[15:24] <hannie> btw, I have sent an email this morning to editors who have not finished their section
[15:25] <hannie> hopefully we get some response before the end of this week
[15:27] <CarstenG> Yes, end of this week we want to release the public draft
[15:27] <hannie> oki, back to work then ;)
[15:27] <CarstenG> maybe this is the time for crocodoc?
[15:28] <hannie> yes, it can be put on crocodoc
[15:28] <hannie> I have already mailed Kevin about this this morning