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UrsinhaI will chair the meeting this time!15:58
rbasak\o/15:59
* rbasak is safe for another week15:59
m_3_o/15:59
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Ursinha:)15:59
Ursinhasorry for being absent last weeks16:00
Ursinha#startmeeting ubuntu-server-team16:00
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Ursinhahello all16:00
Ursinhaare you all here?16:00
SpamapSno16:00
SpamapSbut keep going16:00
Ursinha#topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting16:00
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Ursinha* jamespage to look into aligning release team and server team trackign reports16:00
jamespageUrsinha, golly -is that still on the list....16:01
Ursinhajamespage, hehe... this one involves me, right?16:01
jamespageyep16:01
jamespageand as we are sooo bad at communicating with each other...16:01
Ursinha[action] jamespage and Ursinha to look into aligning release team and server team tracking reports16:01
meetingologyACTION: jamespage and Ursinha to look into aligning release team and server team tracking reports16:01
Ursinhait's mine too now :)16:01
Ursinhawe can catch up tomorrow, will try to find a spot for us to talk16:02
Ursinha#topic Quantal Development16:02
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Ursinha#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule16:02
Ursinha#subtopic Release Bugs16:02
UrsinhaI don't think this works?16:03
Ursinha#link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html16:03
Ursinhaso, let's see16:03
JoseeAntonioRUrsinha: you won't get a reply for link, or for subtopic16:04
Ursinhathat's different16:04
Ursinhathanks JoseeAntonioR16:04
UrsinhaI'm looking at the bugs16:04
Ursinhaso, there is bug 101784716:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1017847 in qemu-linaro (Ubuntu) "qemu segfaults when creating an armhf container on an amd64 host" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101784716:06
Ursinhaare we working on it for this cycle? it has the rls-q-incoming tag16:06
Ursinhaserge isn't here16:06
hallynsure i am16:06
hallynlast i tried i couldn't reproduce due to other failures - i should try again...16:06
Ursinhaah!16:06
Ursinha:)16:06
Ursinhahallyn, if we're not fixing, we might want to remove the tag or add another one to say we're not fixing this cycle16:07
Ursinhaif is a valid issue, of course16:07
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hallynthe issue definately was valid at one point16:07
Ursinharight..16:08
hallyn(added to my list)16:09
Ursinhawe have two critical bugs, one is fix committed by smoser16:09
Ursinhaother is critical, SpamapS set it to critical16:09
Ursinhabug 104752016:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1047520 in php5 (Ubuntu Quantal) "NEWS and release notes need updating" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104752016:09
UrsinhaSpamapS, are you fixing that?16:09
smoserwhat is the one that is fix-committed by me ?16:10
Ursinhabug 104917716:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1049177 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu Precise) "isc-dhcp-server apparmor profile should have include ".d" " [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104917716:10
Ursinhathe quantal task16:11
Ursinhafor maas16:11
smoserroaksoax, should that be fix-released in maas ?16:11
smoserie, do we have a maas package that uses its own dhcp server?16:12
SpamapSUrsinha: yes I'll take a look at that16:12
roaksoaxsmoser: i think we do, i haven't looked at the latest changes made to that package16:12
roaksoax(maas-dhcp(16:12
Ursinhathanks Sp4rKy16:12
Ursinhaoops16:12
UrsinhaSpamapS, even16:12
Sp4rKy:)16:13
Ursinha(sorry Sp4rKy)16:13
smoserUrsinha, well, either way, its under control16:13
smoser(it is fixed in daily ppa)16:13
Ursinhacool16:13
Ursinhado you have any issues you want to bring into attention?16:13
SpamapSbug 1047520 is actually already Fix Released16:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1047520 in php5 (Ubuntu Quantal) "NEWS and release notes need updating" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104752016:14
SpamapSso, woot :)16:14
Ursinhacool :)16:15
UrsinhaI found another critical bug: bug 104463216:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1044632 in juju (Ubuntu Quantal) "Modify format 2 so that it supports raw strings" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104463216:15
DavieyOT: /me chimes in that he is only partially here atm.16:16
jimbakerUrsinha, that's part of the 0.5.2 release of juju16:16
Ursinhajimbaker, I ask because it's targeted to the release, only wanted to know if that bug is going to make it or if it's going to be sru'd later16:16
jimbakerSpamapS is currently working on a micro release that will be in a sru16:17
Ursinhaah, right16:17
jimbakeractually bad phrased - 0.5.2 is that micro release, then to included in an upcoming sru16:17
Ursinhaso we might want to target that to quantal-updates,right?16:18
DavieySpamapS: any news on using ubuntu-cloud lxc template for local provider ?16:18
jimbakerUrsinha, that's a sru for precise. it should be part of the final for quantal16:19
Ursinhajimbaker, right, thanks for the info16:19
UrsinhaI'll talk to people about bugs outside the meeting, otherwise this will take forever16:19
Ursinhawill move on to blueprints16:19
Ursinha#subtopic Blueprints16:19
Ursinha#link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ubuntu-server.html16:20
Ursinhathe link that Daviey hates16:20
Ursinhathat link is indeed not nice if you want to be objective :/16:21
SpamapSDaviey: yes, branch is proposed and in review today actually16:22
SpamapSjimbaker: format 2 does not exist in 0.5.x16:22
SpamapSjimbaker: that bug is only relevant in 0.616:22
SpamapSUrsinha: we don't need to target that at quantal-updates. I have a final drop of Juju code planned for later this week.16:23
UrsinhaSpamapS, awesome then16:23
* SpamapS apologizes for lagging :-P16:23
Ursinha:)16:23
Ursinhathat link is somehow impossible to follow up, the blueprints one, so please remember to update yours if haven't already16:24
UrsinhaI'll move on16:24
Ursinha#topic Ubuntu Server Team Events16:24
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Ursinha* CFP deadlines16:25
Ursinha ** SoCal Linux Expo (Deadline: Dec. 10) http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/cfp16:25
Ursinhaany other events?16:26
UrsinhaI'll take that as a no :)16:27
Ursinha#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)16:27
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hggdhhi16:27
Ursinhahi hggdh, any updates for us?16:27
hggdhjust a question from me -- the iSCSI and MAAS tests for the ISO -- it seems you want us to run it16:28
hggdhwe need to have the details on how to do it, can you please pass them over?16:28
hggdhand, additionally, I found an easy way to have the ISO dns-server tests to actually execute, I will be proposing a merge soon for USIT16:29
hggdh..16:29
Ursinhawho asked you that, hggdh?16:29
hggdhUrsinha: nobody asked us that, but then the server team did not run them on the Beta 2 tests16:29
Ursinhaah, oops16:30
UrsinhaDaviey, who could provide the info to hggdh to run these tests?16:30
jamespagehggdh, I can pass you info on the iscsi tests16:31
hggdhoh, an additional point on MAAS16:31
Ursinha[action] jamespage to provide info to hggdh about how to run iSCSI and MAAS tests for the ISO16:32
meetingologyACTION: jamespage to provide info to hggdh about how to run iSCSI and MAAS tests for the ISO16:32
hggdhit now seems to support virsh, but there is no docs on how to fill in the fields on the "Add Node" screen16:32
hggdhand the "Doc" button on the page does not even talk about virsh...16:32
Ursinharoaksoax or smoser, ^^16:34
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roaksoaxi think we would need to check that with iupstream I've only worked with IPMI16:35
roaksoaxbut should be pretty straight forward16:35
smoseri've not tested current maas with virsh16:36
smoserbut it is on the list of things i'd like to know how to do16:36
DavieyUrsinha: hggdh should grab me out of meeting :)16:37
Ursinhacool :)16:38
Ursinhais that enough information for you, hggdh?16:38
hggdhyes it is :-)16:38
Ursinhagreat :)16:38
Ursinhamoving on, then16:39
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Ursinha#topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)16:39
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Ursinhahello smb16:39
smbI don't have much to report right now... I hope I am finally homing in on bug 1021471. Just compiling a new test kernel for that right now. Should be on people by the time this meeting ends...16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1021471 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "clone() hang when creating new network namespace (dmesg show unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 2)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102147116:39
smb..16:39
SpamapSsmb: thanks for fighting to get that going. Its quite important for juju. :)16:39
SpamapSand really for LXC users16:39
Daviey+116:40
Ursinhagreat, thanks smb16:40
Ursinhaany questions for smb?16:40
Ursinhaokay, moving on16:41
Ursinha#topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)16:41
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rbasakQuantal on ARM is looking good. MAAS on ARM is almost done too - all the critical pieces are written now, appear to be working and are in various stages in the pipeline for landing in the next week.16:41
rbasakAny questions for me?16:41
Ursinhamaybe not :)16:42
Ursinhathanks rbasak16:42
Ursinha#topic Open Discussion16:42
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Ursinhadiscuss!16:42
Ursinhayou are making me sad today, people16:43
Ursinha:)16:43
zulgee thanks16:43
Ursinhalol16:43
Ursinhano one is into discussing today :)16:43
Ursinha#topic Announce next meeting date and time16:43
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Ursinhasooo16:43
SpamapSUrsinha: thanks!!16:44
SpamapSoh damn I thought that was EOM16:44
UrsinhaNext meeting will take place Oct 9th, same bat-channel16:44
Ursinhawho's next in the line16:44
Ursinhaif that is a line, so jimbaker is our next chair16:45
Ursinhajimbaker, is that ok for you?16:45
Ursinhathat should do :P16:45
Ursinha#endmeeting16:45
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Oct  2 16:45:40 2012 UTC.16:45
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Ursinhathanks people16:45
SpamapSFYI, jim did last week, so its from the other end16:45
SpamapSUrsinha: anyway, ^5 well done, thanks again16:46
Ursinhaso next week is rbasak :)16:46
rbasakUrsinha: not jimbaker first?16:47
* rbasak doesn't mind16:47
rbasakBut knowing in advance is helpful16:47
Ursinharbasak, SpamapS said he did it last week, so I have to fix that queue :/16:47
jimbakerUrsinha, rbasak, cool, yes, i chaired last week, so someone else is next :)16:49
rbasakah yes16:49
rbasakOK, so me next week it is16:49
zulthe more people who pile in front of me the better :)16:49
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jsalisbury#startmeeting17:00
jsalisbury##17:00
jsalisbury## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.17:00
jsalisbury##17:00
jsalisbury[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting17:00
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Oct  2 17:00:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:00
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jsalisbury[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Quantal17:00
jsalisbury# Meeting Etiquette17:00
jsalisbury#17:00
jsalisbury# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.17:00
jsalisbury#       'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized)17:00
jsalisburyRoll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting17:00
ppisatio/17:00
henrixo/17:00
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jsalisbury[TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)17:00
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ppisatiNothing new to report this week.17:01
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ppisati..17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)17:01
jsalisburyRelease metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:17:01
jsalisbury[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt17:01
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jsalisbury..17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)17:01
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ogasawara[LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.10.html17:01
ogasawara|| apw         || hardware-q-kernel-config-review || 3 work item  ||17:01
ogasawara||             || hardware-q-kernel-delta-review  || 2 work items ||17:01
ogasawara||             || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||17:01
ogasawara|| ogasawara   || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 2 work item  ||17:01
ogasawara||             || hardware-q-kernel-version-and-flavors || 2 work items ||17:01
ogasawara||             || desktop-q-xorg-lts-updates      || 1 work item  ||17:01
ogasawaraapw and I will review and close our remaining work items as we approach17:01
ogasawarafinal release.17:01
ogasawara..17:01
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara)17:01
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ogasawaraLast week we uploaded the 3.5.0-16.[24,25] kernels.  With Quantal kernel17:02
ogasawarafreeze approaching in 2 days, we will upload one final kernel before17:02
ogasawarafreeze by EOD tomorrow, Wed Oct 3.  Following kernel freeze all patches17:02
ogasawaraare subject to the SRU policy and only critical bug fixes will warrent17:02
ogasawaraan upload. Non critical bug fixes and changes will be targetted to the17:02
ogasawarafirst Quantal SRU kernel.17:02
ogasawaraAs usual, all kernels will also get uploaded to the q-lts-backport [1]17:02
ogasawaraPPA to help facilitate testing of the 12.10 kernel in 12.04.  We welcome17:02
ogasawaraanyone to please install, test, and let us know your feedback.17:02
ogasawara[1] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport17:02
ogasawaraImportant upcoming dates:17:02
ogasawara * Thurs Oct 4 - Kernel Freeze (2 days)17:02
ogasawara * Thurs Oct 9 - Final Freeze (~1 week)17:02
ogasawara * Thurs Oct 18 - 12.10 Final (~2 weeks)17:02
ogasawara..17:02
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: CVE's (sconklin)17:02
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sconklin== 2012-10-02 (weekly) ==17:02
sconklinCurrently we have 41 CVEs on our radar, with no CVEs added or retired this week.17:02
sconklinSee the CVE matrix for the current list:17:02
sconklin[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html17:02
sconklinOverall the backlog has decreased slightly this week:17:02
sconklin[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt17:02
sconklin[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt17:02
sconklin..17:02
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix)17:03
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henrixHere is the status for the main kernels, until today (October 02):17:03
henrix * Hardy - In Testing; 1 CVEs; (1 commits)17:03
henrix * Lucid - In Testing; 3 CVEs; (12 commits)17:03
henrix * Oneiric - In Testing; 2 CVEs; 1 upstream stable release(s); (54 commits)17:03
henrix * Precise - In Verification; 1 CVEs; 2 upstream stable release(s); (234 commits)17:03
henrixCurrent opened tracking bugs details:17:03
henrix * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html17:03
henrixFor SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:17:03
henrix * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html17:03
henrixFuture stable cadence cycles:17:03
henrix * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock17:03
henrix..17:03
jsalisbury[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)17:03
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dhillon-v10o/17:03
jsalisburydhillon-v10, go ahead17:04
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dhillon-v10hi all, okay so recently at KS there was a lot of discussion about module signing and I've been working on an approach i'd like to present and maybe get some feedback?17:04
rtgdhillon-v10, how is your approach different then david howell's ?17:05
dhillon-v10the idea is a hybrid between what chrome os does (I saw some of Kees's work) and what David Howell posted17:05
dhillon-v10rtg: just getting to t hat17:05
dhillon-v10*that17:05
dhillon-v10so specifically, I'm referring to patch 19 that in his patchset, that allows signatures to be added in the build process17:05
rtgdhillon-v10, so, given the complexity of module signing you'd likely be better off posting your ideas on teh kteam mailing list17:06
dhillon-v10rtg: do you think it's better to post there? alright then in that case i suppose i'm done here17:06
rtgdhillon-v10, we _are_ considering module signing, but just haven't fully thought it all through17:07
sconklinYes, that also preserves the discussion and gives people in different time zones an ability to review it17:07
rtg..17:07
jsalisburyAny other open discussion or questions?17:08
dhillon-v10rtg: right, the idea here is not to include all of David's signing stuff because it's very complicated, and I think I may have a simpler approach similar to how in the UEFI stuff, we are getting signed bootloaders IIRC17:08
dhillon-v10..17:08
jsalisburyThanks everyone17:09
jsalisbury#endmeeting17:09
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Oct  2 17:09:02 2012 UTC.17:09
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sconklinthanks jsalisbury17:09
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