[00:09] anyone awake? [00:09] */join radeon [00:09] I'm attempting a install now [00:22] silverarrow: I am awake [00:22] good [00:22] silverarrow: which set of instructions are you follwong? [00:22] are you handy with driver packages and unusual solutions? [00:23] I think wxl made it [00:23] silverarrow: I do not have a PPC [00:23] the live radeonfb.....something [00:23] but you do have a head [00:23] hopefully [00:23] i didn't find it [00:23] greg did [00:23] and are clever with this stuff [00:23] i found the nouveau alternative [00:23] nouveua? [00:24] which one was that? [00:24] silverarrow: wxl can you please test https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641 [00:24] Ubuntu bug 1058641 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) ""No devices detected" radeon regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:24] I am installing now, 12.04 is deleted [00:24] it is real easy patch. [00:24] I will [00:24] i am slighly worried about wireless drivers [00:24] nouveau = nvidia [00:24] if you have radeon it's irrelevant [00:25] the radeon machine i'm borrowing i can't instlal to [00:25] if i can test live we're good [00:25] I have access to routuer, but not here [00:25] aha [00:25] so i can't help with that one phillw sorry [00:25] i have radeon [00:25] altho wait [00:25] maybe i can [00:26] are yoiu familiar with "install alongside LTR 12l.04" option ? [00:26] wxl: my CAPS in my email are really intended, ppc people either stop mentioning their individual successes an get a solution that works accross the board, or there will not be a 12.10 PPC release. Can you go and bang some heads together, please? [00:28] I have a Nvid one via kernel, and a proposed radeon via x-term. [00:28] time is running out. [00:29] I am at home , with my iBook, I can work with you [00:29] i am installing now, [00:29] and it seems to work !! [00:29] that solution greg proposed will work for all radeon chips [00:29] it's likely this will too [00:30] i think that people are mentioning individual success but with multiple people reporting the same thing it is pretty across the board [00:30] wxl: i NEED proposal to take to the ubuntu-x team... and I need it about last week :( [00:30] it will be implemented in the live CD boot stage ? [00:31] phillw: so right away? [00:31] I am not clever enough to work out solutions [00:31] wxl: when the improvements knocked out both chip sets, it was a nightmare. So many bugs were being reported. [00:32] I can test, and do all suggestions [00:32] and I am here all day for days now [00:32] phillw, pong [00:32] We lost two staging cycles over it [00:32] i can take time to work with pcc every day [00:33] we really do need to nail this down now. I honestly believe we have enough information to do so. [00:33] hiyas balloons [00:34] can I painlessly install Ubuntu alongside Lubuntu, and test all fine? [00:34] silverarrow: as a tester, you may fail to realise just how important you are :) [00:35] maybe [00:35] anyone know a pastebinit type program for images? [00:35] hiya [00:35] silverarrow: indeed you can, but dependant on the spec of your PPC you may find Ubuntu is too hungry for resources [00:35] i have an iBook that are still some use, I see several posts on my model on the forum [00:36] wxl: http://imagebin.org/ [00:36] NOT A COMMAND LINE PROGRAM [00:36] now for fist bootup after install [00:37] wxl: in that case, Im sorry.. no... balloons do you know of such a site? [00:37] NOT A SITE [00:37] * phillw runs off for a ciggie :) [00:37] wxl: I know... a command! [00:38] so how do I activate wireless without wired web connection? b43 drivers [00:38] imgur [00:38] serisouly, I have been on that subject all day and half of yesterday [00:39] silverarrow: no can do [00:39] i thought i explained that to the mailing list in elaborate detail? [00:39] i see [00:39] imageshack used to be big back in the day [00:40] there has to be a way to get the b43 package on a usb stick? [00:40] from a windows computer [00:40] sure [00:41] and it would hopefully install in lubuntu [00:41] well you don't install "it" [00:41] per se [00:41] you use b43-fwcutter to cut it out and install it [00:41] once you have the files [00:41] hmm [00:42] ... [00:42] btw i've never actually done this but i know enough about it to have a vague idea of how it owrks [00:42] balloons: any ideas that don't require javascript? [00:42] for image hosting/ [00:42] what are you trying to do? [00:43] imageshack.us might not [00:43] do this in terminal [00:45] what? [00:46] HOW WEIRD [00:46] the screenshot looks decent [00:48] we should get all the ppc guys on irc [00:48] which might get things rolling [00:49] balloons: you free for an a quick PM while the PPC team take over -testing? [00:49] draft them to irc [00:50] silverarrow: I really do wish we could arrange a session on IRC meeting to get things chatted about and plot a way to the final release. [00:50] trouble with the fwcutter for powerpc [00:50] it just isn't anywhere [00:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1043518/comments/50 [00:50] there [00:50] Ubuntu bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] [00:50] tons of info for you, phillw [00:50] run with it [00:50] also i note there are others complaining it doesn't work [00:51] wxl: that bug is dead.. Why do I have keep saying so? [00:51] um [00:51] it's not dead [00:51] thats my point [00:51] the supposed fix doesn't work for me [00:51] nor others who have left comments [00:51] this channel are all right, people should appear whithout worry about anything? [00:52] is* [00:53] wxl: look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1043518/comments/48 and then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1043518/comments/50 [00:53] Ubuntu bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] [00:53] the fix was for #48. [00:53] 48 says it works [00:53] 49,50 say otherwise [00:54] your bug is nothing to do with anything but nVid, which is a small %age of PPC graphic chip sets. the other is an 'X' bug. [00:55] dude [00:55] look at the bug: [00:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1043518 [00:55] Ubuntu bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] [00:55] see "linux" ? [00:55] not x [00:55] linux [00:55] and yes, this is isolated to nvidia, which is well established in the comments [00:55] wxl: ::SIGH:: the fix is for nVidia. [00:55] IT DOESN"T FIX IT [00:56] the bug that looks the same, is for a totally different GPU. [00:56] wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641 [00:56] Ubuntu bug 1058641 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) ""No devices detected" radeon regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:56] i get the feeling either you don't know what i'm talking about or vice versa or both [00:56] i'm not worried about that one [00:56] i don't have an nvidia chip [00:57] i mean i don't have a radeon chip [00:57] you're making me crazy phillw [00:57] wxl: in which case... ignore https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1043518 [00:57] Ubuntu bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] [00:57] also i refute your assertion. most of the ppcs out there are aluminum g4s, all of which could optionally come with radeon or nvidia [00:57] as it has exactly ZERO to do with your issue? [00:57] right, and that bug is nvidia only it seems [00:57] AND IT DOESN"T WORK [00:57] the LINUX bug is related [00:58] the whole comments, everything, talks about nvidia and nouveau and is a bug against the kernels and the fix attempts to solve the driver issue [00:58] so it's everything to do with my issue [00:58] wxl: yes, it is.. changes have been made... I do follow the chat, but for Radeon, it is 'X' who need to fix it. It will not be fixed via kernel. [00:59] the x bug does not [00:59] maybe i'll write this up to the mailing list and maybe then this will make sene to you [01:00] wxl: do so... i see not one mention of Nvidia on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641 [01:00] Ubuntu bug 1058641 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) ""No devices detected" radeon regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:00] nor do i because i'm not talking about that bug [01:00] you're obsessed with it, apparently, but i haven't mentioned it this entire time [01:01] wxl: which radeon bug is your favourite? Only rule is.... no mention of nVid bugs, as that was kernel, and Radeon is 'X'. [01:02] I am online [01:02] ok here we go phillw [01:03] run this: [01:03] w3m -dump https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1043518 | grep -ci nvidia [01:03] Ubuntu bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] [01:03] wxl: I don't have a ppc machine === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow [01:03] (tells you how many times the word nvidia turns up on that page) [01:03] you don't need a ppc machine [01:03] just a linux machine [01:03] give it a shot [01:03] so there is little point me trying. [01:03] or i could spoil the punchline if you prefer [01:04] FIFTEEN [01:04] how can the bug not be about nvidia when it's mentioned fifteen times? [01:04] change the nvidia to radeon and you get 1 [01:04] it's not a bug about radeon [01:04] the x bug is [01:04] not the linux bug [01:05] the bug relevant to my symptoms is the linux bug [01:07] is server down or slow for downloading packages? [01:08] 70 minutes to dowload b43 stuff [01:08] ! [01:14] should I post an email suggestion a irc meeting, just to see what the respons is+ [02:02] how do you load or reset a new driver for wifi? === sivatharman_ is now known as psivaa === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow [11:39] there is no ppc package for b43 firmware? [11:39] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow === smartboyhw is now known as nohaggis === nohaggis is now known as smartboyhw === sivatharman_ is now known as psivaa [14:39] anyone have a clue what the default user/pw would be for the lubuntu alternate cd? [14:40] Dunno [14:40] for ubuntu maybe? :) [14:40] wxl, no alternate for vanilla Ubuntu:P [14:41] oh well [14:42] phillw, you know? [14:42] nope, there should be no password. [14:43] phillw, how about user then? wxl also needs that [14:44] there should be no user / password to install the alternate. You set them up as part of the install. [14:46] wxl: did the self check on the md5sum come up as okay? === salem_ is now known as _salem [15:07] phillw, smartboyhw: nevermind question. pebkac. [15:26] where is the x but we are to test? [15:26] silverarrow, er....I don't understand what are you asking:P [15:27] phillw linked to a bug, and I thought I bookmarked it [15:27] but apparently not [15:27] silverarrow, what bug is it? [15:27] silverarrow: give me a moment [15:27] silverarrow, find the irclogs then in irclogs.ubuntu.com :P [15:28] normally I could do that, but xchat and 12-04 is all gone [15:31] silverarrow: you got radeon or nvidia chip set? [15:31] radeon [15:33] silverarrow: head over to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641 [15:33] Ubuntu bug 1058641 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) ""No devices detected" radeon regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:36] thanks === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp === _salem is now known as salem_ === e11bits_ is now known as e11bits === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:43] hi [17:44] I am in pidgin from quantal [17:44] finally !! [17:44] pidgin seems to work better this time [17:49] hi [17:50] hi [17:51] how are ou GridCube [17:51] I am finally getting somwhere with quantal [17:52] :) thats nice, but this is not a channel for random chatter :) [17:52] ture [17:52] true [17:53] I am onto a bug [17:53] fire then :D [17:53] it seems to be fine on my hardware though [17:53] someone might help you [17:53] bug #1058641 [17:54] Launchpad bug 1058641 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) ""No devices detected" radeon regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058641 [17:54] I booted and installed yesterdays download, and have not noticed anything [18:00] hallo phillw, when i launch Abiword in Lubuntu it start focused (with blinking cursor) but won't type, I've to click on the sheet to have it working. is this a bug in Lubuntu or abiword ? [18:01] I can type all fine in abi [18:01] not yet installed libre [18:02] njin: did you launch in terminal? [18:03] I got this error message WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/taoseeker/.cache/keyring-IobUNG/pkcs11: No such file or directory [18:03] but it launched fine [18:04] not sure what that is about [18:06] we seem to call on phillw === salem_ is now known as _salem [18:07] silverarrow: I'd report the issue you see against lubuntu, at least that way Julien will get to see it. [18:07] wuz the deal? [18:08] i get those gnome-keyring errors occassionally too but they seem to affect nothing [18:08] not sure yet [18:09] I got it when I launched abiword in terminal [18:09] i know better and should report it but i don't sweat it [18:09] bigger fish to fry [18:09] just to check with njin [18:09] I could post my xorg.0 log though [18:10] if it is any help on the 1058641 bug === _salem is now known as salem_ [18:10] bug 1058641 [18:10] Launchpad bug 1058641 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) ""No devices detected" radeon regression" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058641 [18:11] what symptoms do you get? can you boot, with no special parameters, to the desktop? [18:11] after install I seem to be fine [18:11] I used the suggested fix for radon [18:12] live video=radoenfb...somthing [18:12] which one? the video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@60? [18:12] right, what if you don't use it? [18:12] yes [18:12] I don`t use it after install [18:12] and all seems fine [18:12] I have the 1 of october daily [18:13] hm [18:13] if you still have the disc, could you try booting to the live session with no parameters? [18:13] and this is the first time I have managed to boot live and install at all [18:13] I could [18:13] if you can boot to the desktop with no special parameters, even if the screen is a little funky, you don't have the symptoms of that bug [18:13] right now? [18:14] but it might be useful to say as such and make sure to be clear what chip you have (lspci | grep VGA) [18:14] do it when you like; it's your time XD [18:15] I have tried before, with or with out all the suggest fixes === silverarrow_ is now known as silverarrow [18:16] ok so the important thing is to post your results [18:16] phillw, is already know that the checkmark in ubiquity -preparing to install is not working, it only change colour but the checkmark don't appear [18:16] aas the bug report is written it should affect all radeon chips. so you could reply and say "i have such-and-such chip and i can boot to livecd and to desktop without needing to do anything, not even using special boot parameters" [18:16] silverarrow, same error for me if launched in terminal [18:17] which AT LEAST makes it so they can narrow down which chips are affected and which are not [18:17] which is where the nvidia bug seems to be heading [18:21] i have no idea about the nvida driver [18:21] or xorg hickup [18:23] don't worry about nvidia; you dont have one [18:24] graphics seem to be difficult all over [18:26] I started a download, will boot cd as soon as it finishes [18:28] I want to do the testing right [18:28] not sure what phillw can make use of [18:28] and julian [18:29] silverarrow: when you have an iso, if you use zsync you will find it downloads faster as zsync will only download the stuff that has changed. [18:30] I like the wireless signal indicator [18:30] it works this time [18:30] in 12.04 it was always greyed out [18:30] now signal strength shows [18:31] pidgin doesn't crash, which probably never was a ppc issue [18:33] swas is excessive on this install [18:33] swap === salem_ is now known as _salem [18:39] wxl, coars pixeled desktop, the odd orange font, and nonworking installer [18:40] in other words, the same === _salem is now known as salem_ [18:42] so sounds like what i got [18:42] and the video=radeonfb: should fix it [18:43] can someone confirm bug 1060396 [18:43] Launchpad bug 1060396 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu, check mark not showed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060396 [18:44] njin: what checkbox? any? give me an example [18:44] wxl, any [18:45] lxterminal → preferences → allow bold font looks fine [18:45] so, no, anti-confirm [18:45] ;) [18:45] then it is expected working so, without checkmark inside ? [18:46] there's a checkmark inside that example i gave you [18:47] ok, then is a bug in ubiquity [18:47] find another dialog with the same prob [18:49] wxl, screenshot attached [18:50] njin: let me try this a different way. i am on an install right now. it's the most up to date 12.10 can be. i can check a bunch of dialogs if you like, but checking ubiquity isn't as easy. [18:51] ah, yes, that seems to be the new thing [18:51] i'm trying to think about what other dialogs i've seen it in but i have seen it [18:51] not sure if it's a bug or intended [19:01] * phillw goes and finds some superglue to keep silverarrow in the room :) [19:01] why are there no alsamixer? [19:01] no alsamixer? [19:01] yeah, glue might help [19:01] no [19:01] i got one here [19:02] can I have it? [19:02] * wxl hands it to silverarrow [19:02] thanks [19:02] wei8rd tho [19:02] alsamixer loads but apt-cache policy alsamixer doesn't work [19:03] I have " no such..." [19:03] ppc needs loads of small fixes [19:03] !!!!!!!! === salem_ is now known as _salem [19:04] duh [19:04] alsamixer is in package alsa-utils [19:04] I see [19:04] isn`t utils only the gui [19:05] is it missing from the seed? [19:05] for launch in menu I mean [19:05] phillw: it isn`t even planted you mean? [19:05] ...and it will not sprout until spring now [19:06] silverarrow: pretty much. if not planted, it will not appear on your install ISO, thus cannot grow on your system. [19:06] there is never a gui [19:06] the gui is yucky and no one likes it [19:06] this is what I get in terminal "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" [19:06] alsamixer not mixer [19:07] no, I wrote in alsamixer [19:07] !! [19:07] that is the reply [19:07] dunno, that's strange [19:07] you think you got it bad. i gotta figure out how to make an xorg.conf file. :/ === _salem is now known as salem_ [19:10] come to think of it, I had the same trouble in 12.04 [19:11] wxl: it should be detailed on the PPC-FAQ area. [19:11] phillw: it is [19:12] i'm trying to approach it with the "can do" attitude suggested XD [19:12] * wxl puts the bag he's hyperventilating into down. [19:13] he he :) [19:13] I have to reinstall the alsa packages [19:16] !"#¤%&?) [19:19] brb, restart === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [19:23] more weirdness, "this sound device does not have any controls" [19:23] ?? [19:23] however, I have a sort of alsamixer in terminal now [19:25] wxl: there is one final release of kernel tomorrow evening (UTC). Please get as much info in for the nVidia one as possible as soon as possible. There will only then be a new kernel released for serious problems, we may end up with a release note and a fix for as soon as kernel freeze is removed. [19:25] oh why!! [19:26] silverarrow: we are on various freezes now. No 'new' stuff to be added. Only bug fixes. [19:28] there is FFe (Feature Freeze execption) request in for pcmanfm 1.1 to be added. So, things do not completely stop; you just need a darn good reason to back up an exception request. [19:33] phillw: i will have a report on nosplash asap but i can't promise i can both learn about xorg.confs and produce one all in one night [19:33] yikes :( [19:35] wxl: it's no big deal, just means we are unlikely to get a kernel fix for nvid via kernel. we also really do need something put together for the x-org people as a matter of urgency. [19:36] if there is a genuine bug, and a fix. then it will go in as a bug fix. [19:36] oops wrong channel OBVIOUSLY :) [19:36] oh jeez [19:36] nevermind that comment [19:36] bug fix <> feature freeze. [19:36] well, i've done what i can to encourage others to post on that bug. i myself reported my own experiences. i have a sneaking suspicion the ppc radeon cards may not be affected [19:36] (that bug=radeon/x bug) [19:37] I have read your emails with interest. As we discussed, it really does need someone with a PPC to take the lead here. [19:38] i'm trying, i'm trying! [19:38] Adam will give assistance, but does not have time to be POC for this. [19:38] wxl: you're doing great :) [19:38] ok good :) [19:39] he used to email me privately about stuff, so do make sure you and he keep in touch. [19:39] i guess for the final testing we could always tell teh nvidia folks to stop testing (i think that's johnathan and i) and that may help keep ppc released [19:39] I'd appreciate being cc'd so I have some idea of what is going on :D [19:39] adam = ojordan? [19:40] yes [19:40] k [19:40] he's the one pushing me to do the xorg.conf XD [19:40] indeed! [19:40] that is fixable, he reckons, provided we can give a good case to the x-org team. [19:41] well an xorg.conf should be an easy fix [19:41] It is why I was pulling my hair out at people emailing up their own 'unique' solutions. PPC needs a generic one that will work :) [19:41] meaning if we have it and we know it works, implementing it is super trivial [19:42] indeed :) [19:43] so pray for me [19:43] and johnathan [19:43] he has the EXACT SAME CARD [19:45] jonathan is the only person testing server. This needs to change at the RC stage. IIRC, I have one edit only to make to the test case. I have clearance to get it edited, so I'll get it done before the RC testing takes place. [19:50] x is part of userinterface freeze (long past)? [19:52] phillw: ↑ [19:53] wxl: yup, but bug-fix <> Feature Freeze :) [19:53] which is also long overdue [19:56] If PPC can give an over-ridingly simple bug fix to a regression, then I do have a chance of getting it done. For this, PPC need to concentrate all issues of X to the proposed solution. If it gets thumbs up from the testers it can be presented as a fix to a regression. [19:56] the Nvidia seems a bit of a red herring, as some have it & others do not. That is one for further investigation. [19:57] well greg's comment is on an amd64 machine too [19:57] what is regression exactly ? [19:57] silverarrow: bug that was fixed, now showing symptoms again [19:58] @aha [19:58] silverarrow: Error: "aha" is not a valid command. [19:58] ?@ [19:58] silverarrow: it is when a change is to fix a bug that then goes and breaks breaks something else === salem_ is now known as _salem [19:58] -breaks [19:58] hmm, interesting [19:58] lubuntu avalanche [19:59] swooooooooooooosh [19:59]