=== issyl0 is now known as Guest61241 [06:35] good morning lovelies [06:56] morning all === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [07:10] mornin all [08:06] Gooood Morning! [08:13] Good morning all! :) [08:14] theres no proper tea here and I forgot my Yorkshires at home :-( [08:14] you should get czajkowski to bring you some, that always works for me [08:21] who was complaining that they couldn't order from amazon due to the delivery company? i bought something yesterday and i saw a link for "pick up at one of these 11 delivery centres" [08:22] Good morning peeps :) [08:24] mungojerry: have you checked where those delivery centres are? [08:25] no, i thought it would only show me ones near me [08:25] DTS are pretty good with amazon now, they even give me two hour periods in the day when the thing will be delivered [08:26] uh, DPD not DTS [08:30] yeah, I got a text this morning saying when they expect it to come [08:31] * Laney is on edge about getting ninja carded though... 3 deliveries today [08:31] no respectable company would offer a job by emailing from a live.com-email address, right? [08:31] haha === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:31] mungojerry: my local one is in an Amazon distribution centre 45 mins away; I'm assuming laziness on their part :) [08:32] My new fountain pen and ink just arrived via royal mail. Yay \o/ [08:32] I think I might have an addiction [08:32] A very slow but expensive one [08:33] one click ordering, its a real problem [08:33] This wasn't via Amazon and I ensure that one-click is disabled [08:33] In 13.04: "One click" shopping... from the dash [08:33] Oh my [08:33] popey: ^ suggestion for amazon lens [08:34] Horrible horrible thought [08:34] Amazon is nice, I ordered a waterproof coat, nice looking wellies and an archeology trowel from there, the latter was an Amazon Prime purchase [08:34] no Amazon in Finland so I savour every moment in UK [08:35] Myrtti: doesn't amazon ship to .fi though? [08:35] Myrtti: .nl gets free shipping even though there's no ".nl" amazon [08:36] yup, but in most cases the shipping costs are a bit high [08:36] \o/ free super-saver delivery to .nl ;) [08:37] and I try to use .de for things I get to Finland and the language is teeniest problem there [08:37] Myrtti: If I want electronics from Amazon, .de is my best bet.. but UK is fine for books, CDs, etc. [08:37] yeah. [08:38] and there are rumours that amazon.nl will open this month.. [08:38] * MartijnVdS hopes === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|lunch [09:03] kickstarter + company credit card is a great combination [09:04] AlanBell: can I have a 3D printer please? [09:06] yes! buy dwatkins a 3d printer from me (SHH - we're doing a build) [09:09] Sure. We'll buy you a printer if you purchase several thousand pounds worth of Free Software Consulting services services from us ;-) [09:10] Please define 'several', theopensourcerer ;) [09:10] That normally means more than a couple but less that loads [09:10] The 3D printer itself is about $3000. [09:10] I really like the look of it, but it's Kickstarter - you're investing in a startup company, bnot buying a product which will arrive the next week, of course. [09:11] you are not really, you are making a donation to a company mostly (well rewards are a bit of a payback) [09:11] ah ok [09:12] Venture capital without the VC having any stake in the company [09:13] exactly [09:13] the rewards that are pre-orders make sense [09:13] Yep [09:13] Potentially a Kickstarter project could offer equity I guess. [09:13] or just dinner and a movie [09:14] * AlanBell puts libertus Solutions on Kickstarter [09:14] "What do want?" [09:14] damn [09:14] "What do we want?" [09:14] I hope that woman running away with people's money hasn't hurt Kickstart as a concept, it's been quite useful for some things. [09:14] "Money" [09:14] kickstarter is supposed to be about giving little guys a leg up because you like the idea of what they are making and vc's won't take the risk. thats all pretty much gone now though, now its just people not knowing anything about traditional investment and just putting stuff up on ks by default [09:14] "When do we want it?" [09:14] "Now!" [09:15] gord: yeah, I gather they often reinvent the wheel in terms of manufacturing, though [09:15] as a way of financing development by pre-orders of finished goods it makes a lot of sense [09:15] dwatkins, who does? [09:16] gord: some Kickstarter projects seem to go it alone in terms of how to produce their devices, I'm concerned they aren't being helped by existing manufacturers or companies who could assist with production [09:17] eh, i think they all just get china to build the stuff like the rest of the world does [09:17] I've been impressed by the sheer number of updates from Nifty about their MiniDrive and the Elevation Dock. [09:18] I was tempted to get a Pebble watch, but they're quite expensive. [09:18] dwatkins, not heard story of woman running off with kickstarter money? [09:20] i think there was some other website that tried to do proper investment crowd funding, but it was really complicated and scary [09:22] popey: it's a compicated story, and it looks like I may have misjudged her: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games/comments vs http://newmediarockstars.com/2012/09/tropes-vs-women-do-anti-feminist-trolls-validate-sarkeesians-160k-windfall/ [09:24] does anyone know of any php page that I can download that'll give apache/nginx a run for its money? [09:26] SuperMatt: that will test PHP rather than the server [09:26] popey: the other thing about this Kickstarter project is that someone made a video apparently for free explaining many of the themes she discussed, but it seems the claims are false: http://www.reddit.com/r/antisrs/comments/10o665/anita_sarkeesian_on_the_front_page_of_reddit_in/ [09:27] AlanBell: do you know of anything that'll test both then? [09:27] I don't understand why it's so expensive to make a few videos discussing some topics many people are ery familiar with, perhaps she's interviewing celebrities. [09:27] *very [09:28] SuperMatt: there's a few tools for it; ab (apachebenchmark) and siege are pretty standard [09:28] you run them from a client, configure them to make X requests/second and/or Y requests at a time and/or for Z seconds and see what the server does [09:28] SuperMatt: the important thing is to understand the actual workload [09:29] yeah, I know about ab, but I don't want to send back the basic "It works!" page, I'd like to send back something which may contain a few large images, maybe a couple of js and css files too, just to get the gist of how well it's running [09:29] dwatkins: 6000USD is expensive? [09:29] SuperMatt: why? What's teh problem you're trying to solve? [09:29] I'm not trying to solve much, I just want to compare the stats for a "normal" site [09:30] Myrtti: not for a 3D printer :) [09:30] comparing stats for a holding page doesn't really cut it [09:30] it's not a "real" test [09:31] I should probably continue with the knitting and watching telly instead of getting trolled [09:32] good morning everyone. [09:33] depends what the expected role of the site actually is. if you're just serving static assets (js/css/etc), a holding page is just as good [09:33] SuperMatt: there's not really such a thing as a 'normal' site. If you just want something that'll excercise 'stuff', I'd go with a Wordpress install or something [09:36] +1 [09:36] BigRedS: Thanks, that's what I was thinking, I was just wandering if there's anything else [09:41] vtiger is a stressier thing on database and php interactions [09:42] probably the bit that the http stack does is insignificant in comparison [09:44] if you trace what it does rendering a page you can get stuff like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/callgraphs/contact.png [09:44] * BigRedS was expecting a screenshot of an strace [09:46] AlanBell: I'm guessing the Apache vs NGinx was really caching nginx + apache vs just apache [09:46] probably, I am using php5-apc to make things faster, and did a lot of work optimising mysql queries so they are all indexed [09:56] AlanBell: there's someone making a nicer UI for XHProf at http://xhprof.io [09:56] AlanBell: might be worth keeping an eye on [09:57] mgdm: is drinking or hacking happening this Friday evening? [09:57] I am confused [09:58] bigcalm: both [09:59] we have a customer who does that from time to time [09:59] I should work out where to park [10:01] It really surprised me that the Sunday is a half day thing. I guess I'm only used to oggcamp [10:01] there's often a mass exodus of folk on the Sunday afternoon anyway [10:02] Anybody else in here attending phpnw12? [10:03] Guess not :) [10:05] Morning all [10:05] can i use virtualbox to run a VM of my physical windows partition? [10:05] I bet the 'NW' in that doesn't refer to north-west London [10:06] BigRedS: no, not really :) [10:06] Hi davmor2 [10:06] davmor2: going to the lug tomorrow? [10:07] mungojerry: while I think it might be possible, the Windows install will get horribly confused by the complete change of hardware [10:07] mungojerry: so I wouldn't recommend it [10:08] bigcalm: maybe depends on what is happen but the 1286 emails this morning doesn't look like a good start to be honest ;) [10:08] Ho hum [10:09] davmor2: As I'm going to Manchester Friday to Sunday, I'm pondering saving my pennies [10:09] davmor2: I intend to attend on Thursday though [10:10] bigcalm: so I was talking with alex and he doesn't think he can make it so unless gord and or mrevell are going I think it might be off [10:10] davmor2: that's fair enough [10:11] davmor2, I'm in that there London tomorrow. [10:11] gord: what say you? [10:11] gord no want to go anywhere this week [10:12] davmor2: see you in a month then [10:13] mungojerry: I've seen it done before. It's iffy and non-reversible AFAIK [10:13] * mungojerry takes the advice [10:13] bigcalm: Sounds that way [10:14] tried to get chromium os running on my eee pc 701 , didn't work :( [10:16] Anybody here use MySQL Workbench? [10:16] yes [10:17] dogmatic69: can you increase the size of the page? [10:17] In the model view [10:17] yep [10:17] dogmatic69: how? ;) [10:17] Oh, now I see it :| [10:17] file -> page setup [10:18] Model -> Diagram Properties and Size [10:19] lol [10:19] that crashed mine [10:22] Yeah, MySQL Workbench is a rather crashy thing in Linux [10:22] * bigcalm saves [10:30] I hate having connections overlapping [10:33] is there a decent gnome 3.6 ppa for 12.04? [10:34] I haz SSD! CPU! Graphics! RAM! [10:34] how to make a bunch of people very happy mid sprint, bring them a large curly wurly cake! and watch the finger licking begin! === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:50] give me the cake [10:50] don't let them have it [10:50] why should they have it? why are they so special, give me the cake [10:50] why are you not giving me the cake right now? >:( [10:50] hi folks [10:52] gord: cause they're webops and I plague em :) [10:53] gord: I bring you tea bags [10:54] i want a curly wurly cake! [10:54] no actually, i just want curly wurlys [10:54] i'm gonna buy some curly wurlys at the shop and celebrate by eating them [10:54] gord: I just had to explain what they were to people [10:55] you had to explain what a curly wurly was ? [10:55] that's sad :p [10:56] its a ladder of deliciousness [10:56] elfy: they aren't all england and so many have been deprived [10:56] indeed - and I'm still not sure whether my hands are bigger or curly wurly's are smaller [10:56] davmor2: that's almost sadder :) [10:58] davmor2: this was to an enlgish guy as well as an aussie [10:59] elfy: I blame their parents for not emigrating so they could have a better level of chocolatey goodness [10:59] if you are english and do not know what a curly wurly is, you should have to give in your passport [10:59] ha ha ha [10:59] or even British [10:59] :) [10:59] I've not seen a curly wurly for a long time [10:59] @) [10:59] :(, even [11:00] I saw one yesterday [11:00] and then I didn't [11:00] haha [11:06] at our local Co Op they sell Curly Wurlys in packs of ten, but they are much smaller then they used to be [11:06] same with Wagon Wheels.. they seem a lot smaller too [11:13] should there be a release party listed here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/events ? [11:14] BigRedS: ello [11:14] BigRedS: AlanBell is sorting that out [11:16] AlanBell is such a slacker. [11:17] (i have no idea what a curly wurly is) :o [11:17] czajkowski: g'morning! [11:17] BigRedS: not heard from you mister! [11:18] No! I've had one hell of a busy, er, many days... :( [11:18] will be doing that this evening, though. Finally caught up enough to be sorting out my calendar, so once I've no fear of the wrong person walking in midway through I'll be filling in some forms [11:21] any leadership folks here christel AlanBell https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/leadershipenvironment mate is doing his masters [11:21] I often lead people to the pub, does that count? [11:23] Laney: yes you too [11:23] you're TB [11:23] or is it ARB [11:23] I mean DMB [11:24] D to the M to the B [11:24] * Laney makes a gang sign, yo [11:24] BigRedS: yes, the plans were a bit fluid but I will get that sorted out today [11:25] christel: yes, I am a slacker [11:25] AlanBell: cool, - I was just trying to find the date (which is elsewhere) and wondered if that was an omission or a broken something else :) [11:32] Curly Wirlies are fab [11:34] AlanBell: i shall think of some appropriate punishment for your slacking [11:38] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ [11:43] AlanBell: sadly, i'll be out of the country :( [11:48] whoop! [11:48] :( [11:48] Daviey: we will wait at the pub until you get back [11:49] AlanBell: 19/10 14:30 LHR .. so it's not quite 24hrs. [12:17] here we go then. [12:17] http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems [12:29] * BigRedS subscribes [12:30] oh, actually, it's not as funny as britishproblems [12:33] I have a couple of Linux machines with no optical drives, and a Windows 7 ISO. Is there a sane way to get Windows installed on one of them (presumably with a USB key)? [12:37] Yes, with usb key.. I've not done it in a long time but defo doable [12:37] Think it's a lot easier now actually [12:38] http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7vista-from-usb-drive-detailed-100-working-guide/ [12:44] any photography people ever try a telephoto lens converter to 2x the zoom? [12:45] have done, haven't done it since. my el-cheapo 300 is soft enough as it is, and the combination reveals just how much coffee I consume [12:46] i'm taking moon photos shauno [12:46] wondered if it would help [12:47] can't hurt to try, but there's no way on earth it'll be handheld [12:47] i have a sigma 70-200 atm [12:47] current moon photos are like this: http://ubuntuone.com/2MHfeqb6XImqN4hQwNAl58 [12:48] biggest problems I have with the teleconverter are that they're either soft, or ungodly expensive [12:53] i can't imagine a £10 converter is gonna do much for me [13:04] prob not worth it just for a clearer moon pic [13:11] popey: cheeky :p [13:14] :) [13:16] hurry up afternoon [13:16] I want to play with my new toy! [13:17] popey: yhis is the video I was talking about earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxVtLGJFaVk - female characters in video games [13:25] s/yhis/this/g [13:38] Laney: what new toy would that be [13:38] new PC [13:39] Laney: so play with it already :D I got a RP I want to have a play on at pyconuk but I've had no time [13:39] yeah got a bit of work to do sadly :P [13:42] Laney: you are testing that the machine can be installed, up and to your working project within and Hour, keep a log of your steps report any bugs and keep all the timings and then it is work :) [14:04] czajkowski: so what you up to tomorrow? [14:07] diplo: yeah, I came across that one earlier I think, but not sure what a Linux equivalent of the 'BOOTSECT.EXE /NT60 H:' step would nbe [14:13] ...Netcraft want to give me an Amazon voucher and a laptop bag for no good reason? I love being a student! [14:19] Darael, can i get one? [14:19] BigRedS: No windows box to create it on at all ? [14:19] mungojerry: The College told me about it. So I have no idea. [14:29] diplo: nope [14:29] diplo: I could just wait until I have one [14:29] just wondered if I could get away with not [14:29] BigRedS: unetbootin ? [14:30] http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/install-windows-7-from-usb-drive-requires-2-simple-steps/ [14:31] oooh, I'd assumed unetbootin couldn't do it [14:32] * BigRedS clicks [14:32] coool, I'll try that [14:32] thanks! [14:33] unetbootin, getting more u every day. It appears. [14:37] davmor2: working :) [14:38] czajkowski: well incase I forget happy birthday :) [14:39] thank you [15:15] * dwatkins hands czajkowski a conical hat and a party popper [15:16] Many happy returns [15:21] good news http://blog.launchpad.net/general/burning-down-critical-bugs [15:27] mmm purple [15:58] hi - I'm seizing the opportunity to migrate my mom to Ubuntu at last after her Windows system caught a nasty virus [15:58] hello all [15:58] long time no speak [15:59] is there any danger in migrating existing (possibly infected) Thunderbird archives? [16:01] if they're infected, there'll be no risk to the Ubuntu system [16:02] worst case, there's some XULRunner vulnerability, right? but seems unlikely that a virus would target that and remain active cross-platform [16:05] possibly [16:05] you could maybe check out ClamAV and use that from Ubuntu to be sure [16:05] ♥ IMAP [16:07] thanks, I'll look into that [16:07] MartijnVdS: yeah, well ... if it was up to me, she'd use mutt [16:29] gord, did you have to dance for beverages in South Korea? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgtijpUNKGo#! [16:30] heh no, only saw that after i got back, i would of found it and never left if i knew about it there ;) === emma is now known as em === Hunter68uk_ is now known as Hunter68uk [16:54] anyone know of alternatives to 'open university' in the UK? === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [17:12] nom nom nom tomato juice [17:12] AlanBell: visiting popey? :) [17:13] dogmatic69: if you just want to learn stuff or get a qualification? [17:13] learning stuff -> Kahn accademy [17:13] KHAAAAAN [17:13] MartijnVdS: I got popey into it! [17:13] * AlanBell was the trendsetter [17:14] Khan Academy even [17:14] they probably teach you to spell and everyfink [17:14] depends on what you want to learn really [17:15] wot iz u lot bangin about [17:15] I've forgotten my name, can I upgrade? [17:15] Speaking of learning... ;) [17:15] pinky-: your name is *scratchy sound* slim shady? [17:24] AlanBell: learn stuff and get a piece of paper [17:24] MartijnVdS: why am I slim shady? [17:24] AlanBell: I already have loads of points on kahn accademy [17:25] pinky-: the other slim shadies are just imitating [17:25] dogmatic69: I think various universities do correspondence courses and part time things [17:25] academy*, none for spelling though... [17:30] speaking of which, my tom juice should have arrived today! [17:30] "tom juice" sounds worse than "tomato juice" [17:30] or dodgier, at least [17:32] better than "Love juice" as i tweeted yesterday! [17:32] depends.. is it tom's love juice? [17:32] Mister Lovebuckets incredibly sparkling tonic water [17:32] nobody will get that film reference [17:34] http://static.userland.com/gems/jvb/mr-jolly.mr-jolly [17:34] thats the one [17:34] that is one of my fave films of all time [17:35] i used to watch it over and over, from a VHS tape I recorded it on [17:35] tape snapped eventually, and I fixed it with sellotape [17:35] broke again :) [17:35] try doing that with your modern you tube things! [17:36] kids these days [17:36] AlanBell: yes mr wing commander [17:53] do AMD graphic cards work well with Ubuntu? I am looking at building a well specced new machine [17:54] Bollinger: depends on what your planning on using the machine for [17:57] software dev. multi screened. big monitors [18:02] as long as you have as many HDMI ports as monitors anything should be fine for that [18:03] go with intel [18:03] hislop on the one show. :) [18:03] intel ftw [18:03] unless you really need the performance [18:03] intel works great for me too [18:07] guys, how do I report that an abuse email address isn't working? I keep getting strange confirmation messages in my email box generated from an IP that owns a very spammy looking site. I tried to send an email to the abuse address listed in the WHOIS but it bounced [18:17] Monotoko, i wouldn't bother [18:17] I'd just block/spamtrap it [18:25] popey, it's not sending me email itself... it's generating confirmation messages from other sites which are then sending me email... I blocked anything with the IP address it ("email confirmation generated by xx.xx.xx.xx") but some of them without the IP are still coming through [18:25] and I now have over 100 registrations on more spammy sites I haven't heard of -.- [18:27] Monotoko: Find out who's hosting it and send to /their/ abuse@ address? There was a tool to find who was hosting things somewhere... [18:28] Monotoko: http://whoishostingthis.com [19:04] yay for Facebooks "add an answer" feature: http://i.imgur.com/gAerG.jpg XD [19:04] IDGI [19:06] mgdm: XFire put up a vote asking people what the best console is, specifically not PC. Someone used the "Add an answer" feature on the vote to add "PC" as an option, and it's winning the vote xD === Guest61241 is now known as issyl0 [19:11] \o issyl0 [19:11] Hi! [19:12] you got your name back! [19:12] I did! [19:12] It's been a while! ;-) [19:12] Busy learning things the official way? :) [19:13] Busy full stop! [19:15] How've you been? [19:16] Busy-ish.. installed wifi at a local car dealership [19:16] so people charging their electric cars can use the internet while they wait [19:18] and helped my brothers with a beer/wort cooler [19:18] (using an Arduino and a Pi) [19:20] MartijnVdS: ooh, that was you! [19:21] AlanBell: what, the beer or the wifi? :) [19:22] http://brewpi.com/ this thing? [19:22] AlanBell: we built its predecessor [19:22] AlanBell: well, a clone [19:22] ah, nice [19:23] issyl0: coming to the Qantal release party in a couple of weeks? [19:23] MartijnVdS: Cool! :-) [19:24] AlanBell: I've been hideously out of the loop with everything. [19:24] AlanBell: So I probably should! [19:24] Indeed, yeah, I should. [19:24] you should! [19:24] you should! [19:24] OK. [19:24] 18th, in London [19:24] drink one for my birthday as well :) [19:24] OK, that works. [19:24] * MartijnVdS will be 0x20 on the 18th [19:24] I can do that then. [19:25] MartijnVdS: Woo! === `Cat` is now known as NimChimpsky [20:21] hey people.... been a while... hows peeps.... [20:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOTpIVxji8 [21:54] I broke my pc :/ [21:56] nos da everyone, sleep well. [22:27] dogmatic69, oh dear [22:28] Evenin' [22:42] pip pip === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:00] can anyone help me with a wwan issue? [23:01] Someone may be able to, but we won't know for sure until thou sayest what the issue actually is! [23:01] Also at this time of night #ubuntu may be a better bet. -uk is getting rather less active right about now. [23:02] hmmm, ok my wwan card isn't showing up in modem-manager, ifconfig, or iwconfig. why is this? [23:03] Lack of drivers? Does it show in lspci? If so, is there anything about what drivers are in use, or it being unclaimed? [23:03] its in the lsusb output [23:03] and in the lsmod output [23:04] let me check to see if the drivers are in use [23:04] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1410:a014 Novatel Wireless [23:05] that's all that I see there for the wwan card [23:05] nothing listed in lspci [23:06] No, if it's USB-connected it won't. [23:06] if it helps it's an embedded card [23:09] qcserial 12822 0 [23:09] usb_wwan 20491 1 qcserial [23:09] usbserial 47077 2 qcserial,usb_wwan [23:09] above is what is loaded in lsmod [23:11] anyone know why my fonts are strange? http://i.imgur.com/EBBVu.png [23:12] jimbo_: Which Ubuntu release art running? [23:12] 12.04 LTS [23:12] don't know how to do the red text you're using [23:13] Red text? I shouldn't be using red text. [23:13] wait. [23:13] Ah. It's thy client; because I started with thy nick, it sees it as a highlight and brings it to thy attention. [23:14] dogmatic69: what's strange about the text? i'm missing something [23:14] jimbo_: that is not the usual font, its crap [23:15] dogmatic69: i know this is a stupid suggestion but have you tried changing the font via Settings? [23:15] http://i.imgur.com/9LOpm.png [23:16] jimbo_: it was not like this a few hours ago. something has happened to nvidia I think. [23:17] dogmatic69: ok well all i can offer you is luck because I've never had to use any nVidia drivers [23:17] dogmatic69: I know you can try installing the "restricted drivers" package from software center [23:17] that is why I use [23:17] have been since 12.04b [23:17] jimbo_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1649139 is about the only resource I can find on that USB ID set. Got there from a bug back in Oneiric... [23:20] Darael: I have the same laptop [23:21] Darael: the link as to how to fix 3g is broken [23:21] blah [23:21] its the one non-working thing on this lappy [23:22] I'm afraid I don't know. I have no personal experience with it. [23:23] Try #ubuntu instead? It's a lot busier, there's a good chance somebody in there will know. [23:23] Well you've been more help than the folks over at #ubuntu... i was told to quit asking the same question [23:24] one person did try to help but he thought i had meant the wlan card instead of the wwan [23:26]