/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/02/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

snap-lbrousc: har har00:32
snap-lGod, I love this band: http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/10039/gojira-explosia-video01:07
snap-lGood morning12:54
jjessemorning snap-l12:55
snap-lHow goes?12:56
jjessegood been on the road for work for the last 2 weeks so a bit behind12:56
jjessetrying to figure out what this new month will bring12:57
snap-lCool13:04
brouschYes, this month will be cooler than last month due to fall coming on13:08
snap-lbrousch: Literalist.13:09
jrwreni'm slowly coming around to python.13:10
brouschEveryone does13:10
snap-ljrwren: It's what all the cool kids are smoking these days.13:10
brouschJoin us13:10
brouschAllow me to show you my massive python13:11
brouschscript13:11
jrwrenmmm... that makes me want to name something grass, just for those smoking jokes.13:11
snap-lPEP42013:11
snap-lhttp://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0420/13:11
snap-lhigh-Python13:12
jrwrenhuh?13:12
jrwren"package" refers to Python packages as defined by Python's import statement.13:12
jrwrennot what you were thinking13:12
brouschsnap-l: I am disappointed that's not a real joke PEP13:12
snap-ljrwren: Actually, I was checking to see if there was a 42013:12
snap-land there is, and it's boring13:12
jrwrenoh! 420, right.13:12
jrwreni forgot that 420 means something.13:13
brouschMarijuana can affect your long term memory13:13
snap-lAnd thus exhausts my knowledge13:13
snap-lbrousch: So can hanging out in IRC13:13
brouschI disbelieve. I've been using IRC for a month or two and I feel fine13:14
snap-lI've been using it for... OH GOD, I CAN'T REMEMBER13:14
dzhoI've been using it for at least 7 years, but I can quit at any time.13:57
snap-lBTW: New OMC is out for your listening perusal14:47
brouschDangit. Now I'm 3 behind14:47
brouschI'm currently listeing to long song14:47
snap-lHeh.14:48
greg-gis it bad I get excited about announcements like this? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2012OctDec/0004.html17:07
brouschyes17:14
brouschnerd17:15
snap-lgreg-g: Is it sad that every time I see a working group get together, I wonder how they're going to break things?17:32
brouschyes17:35
brouschcodger17:35
greg-gI had a nice debate with some new roommates who are startup mobile devs where they complained that standards orgs take too long17:40
greg-gMy perfect retort was: Well, I trust slow grey beards more than I trust money hungry brogrammers.17:40
greg-gand they shut up ;)17:40
greg-g(sorry to invoke the new godwin law of brogrammers)17:41
snap-lheh17:41
jjessegreg-g, standards creation does take too long18:15
jjesseso they do have a point18:15
greg-gI understand it takes a while, but, most efficiencies in speed are at the cost of many things.18:29
greg-geg: community involvement, true review and critique, and bake in period (time to do implementations use a draft before it becomes final)18:29
greg-gfor the example in my world: Schema.org was a response to W3C metadata production). But, it means Schema.org is basically just Google pushing things forward without consultation (because they *obviously know best*) ugh18:31
greg-gnot sure about those extraneous parens etc, I was interrupt while typing that18:31
jrwrenhttp2, because we don't like the sound of spdy18:34
brouschWhat's wrong with spudy?18:35
snap-lBecause it's Googe pushing things18:36
jjessegreg-g, its even worse in the government for standards, DISA (Defense Information Security Agency) just released their security guide for iOS418:49
jjessehaven't revved it for iOS 5 let alone iOS618:49
snap-lThat's pathetic18:49
jjesseyeah but it does take time18:51
snap-lUnderstandable, but that's two revs old18:51
jjesseoh i know18:52
snap-liOS4 is probably deprecated at this point.18:52
jjessei bet18:52
jjessebut that's the speed of government18:52
greg-gjjesse: haha18:56
jjessepretty sad18:56
greg-gI'd be cuious who actually did that work, that stuff is usually farmed out18:56
greg-gto SRI or whomever18:57
jjesseyeah, General Dynmaics, Lockheed Martin, SRI, some integrator18:57
jjessegoing to be a blood bath if this sequest18:57
jjessedoh18:57
jjessegoing to be a blood bath if this sequester thing in the budget goes through and a ton of cuts happen18:57
devinheitmuellerjjesse: when you say "blood bath", do you mean a *literal* blood bath?  Or do you just mean "shrinking an overbloated military-industrial complex and firing a bunch of overpaid contractors"?19:19
* devinheitmueller takes off his trolling hat and goes back to Linux drivers. ;-)19:19
jjessei mean lock head martin will have to "fire" all 120,000 employees19:19
jjessesearch google news for the WARN act19:20
devinheitmuellerLockheed was at $24 in 2000.  They're at $92 now.  I think they're doing just fine.19:21
devinheitmuellerAnd it's fear mongering like that which causes politicians to do stupid things.19:21
* devinheitmueller goes back to Linux drivers for real now.19:21

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