[00:32] <snap-l> brousc: har har
[01:07] <snap-l> God, I love this band: http://www.metalinjection.net/tv/view/10039/gojira-explosia-video
[12:54] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:55] <jjesse> morning snap-l
[12:56] <snap-l> How goes?
[12:56] <jjesse> good been on the road for work for the last 2 weeks so a bit behind
[12:57] <jjesse> trying to figure out what this new month will bring
[13:04] <snap-l> Cool
[13:08] <brousch> Yes, this month will be cooler than last month due to fall coming on
[13:09] <snap-l> brousch: Literalist.
[13:10] <jrwren> i'm slowly coming around to python.
[13:10] <brousch> Everyone does
[13:10] <snap-l> jrwren: It's what all the cool kids are smoking these days.
[13:10] <brousch> Join us
[13:11] <brousch> Allow me to show you my massive python
[13:11] <brousch> script
[13:11] <jrwren> mmm... that makes me want to name something grass, just for those smoking jokes.
[13:11] <snap-l> PEP420
[13:11] <snap-l> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0420/
[13:12] <snap-l> high-Python
[13:12] <jrwren> huh?
[13:12] <jrwren> "package" refers to Python packages as defined by Python's import statement.
[13:12] <jrwren> not what you were thinking
[13:12] <brousch> snap-l: I am disappointed that's not a real joke PEP
[13:12] <snap-l> jrwren: Actually, I was checking to see if there was a 420
[13:12] <snap-l> and there is, and it's boring
[13:12] <jrwren> oh! 420, right.
[13:13] <jrwren> i forgot that 420 means something.
[13:13] <brousch> Marijuana can affect your long term memory
[13:13] <snap-l> And thus exhausts my knowledge
[13:13] <snap-l> brousch: So can hanging out in IRC
[13:14] <brousch> I disbelieve. I've been using IRC for a month or two and I feel fine
[13:14] <snap-l> I've been using it for... OH GOD, I CAN'T REMEMBER
[13:57] <dzho> I've been using it for at least 7 years, but I can quit at any time.
[14:47] <snap-l> BTW: New OMC is out for your listening perusal
[14:47] <brousch> Dangit. Now I'm 3 behind
[14:47] <brousch> I'm currently listeing to long song
[14:48] <snap-l> Heh.
[17:07] <greg-g> is it bad I get excited about announcements like this? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2012OctDec/0004.html
[17:14] <brousch> yes
[17:15] <brousch> nerd
[17:32] <snap-l> greg-g: Is it sad that every time I see a working group get together, I wonder how they're going to break things?
[17:35] <brousch> yes
[17:35] <brousch> codger
[17:40] <greg-g> I had a nice debate with some new roommates who are startup mobile devs where they complained that standards orgs take too long
[17:40] <greg-g> My perfect retort was: Well, I trust slow grey beards more than I trust money hungry brogrammers.
[17:40] <greg-g> and they shut up ;)
[17:41] <greg-g> (sorry to invoke the new godwin law of brogrammers)
[17:41] <snap-l> heh
[18:15] <jjesse> greg-g, standards creation does take too long
[18:15] <jjesse> so they do have a point
[18:29] <greg-g> I understand it takes a while, but, most efficiencies in speed are at the cost of many things.
[18:29] <greg-g> eg: community involvement, true review and critique, and bake in period (time to do implementations use a draft before it becomes final)
[18:31] <greg-g> for the example in my world: Schema.org was a response to W3C metadata production). But, it means Schema.org is basically just Google pushing things forward without consultation (because they *obviously know best*) ugh
[18:31] <greg-g> not sure about those extraneous parens etc, I was interrupt while typing that
[18:34] <jrwren> http2, because we don't like the sound of spdy
[18:35] <brousch> What's wrong with spudy?
[18:36] <snap-l> Because it's Googe pushing things
[18:49] <jjesse> greg-g, its even worse in the government for standards, DISA (Defense Information Security Agency) just released their security guide for iOS4
[18:49] <jjesse> haven't revved it for iOS 5 let alone iOS6
[18:49] <snap-l> That's pathetic
[18:51] <jjesse> yeah but it does take time
[18:51] <snap-l> Understandable, but that's two revs old
[18:52] <jjesse> oh i know
[18:52] <snap-l> iOS4 is probably deprecated at this point.
[18:52] <jjesse> i bet
[18:52] <jjesse> but that's the speed of government
[18:56] <greg-g> jjesse: haha
[18:56] <jjesse> pretty sad
[18:56] <greg-g> I'd be cuious who actually did that work, that stuff is usually farmed out
[18:57] <greg-g> to SRI or whomever
[18:57] <jjesse> yeah, General Dynmaics, Lockheed Martin, SRI, some integrator
[18:57] <jjesse> going to be a blood bath if this sequest
[18:57] <jjesse> doh
[18:57] <jjesse> going to be a blood bath if this sequester thing in the budget goes through and a ton of cuts happen
[19:19] <devinheitmueller> jjesse: when you say "blood bath", do you mean a *literal* blood bath?  Or do you just mean "shrinking an overbloated military-industrial complex and firing a bunch of overpaid contractors"?
[19:19]  * devinheitmueller takes off his trolling hat and goes back to Linux drivers.  ;-)
[19:19] <jjesse> i mean lock head martin will have to "fire" all 120,000 employees
[19:20] <jjesse> search google news for the WARN act
[19:21] <devinheitmueller> Lockheed was at $24 in 2000.  They're at $92 now.  I think they're doing just fine.
[19:21] <devinheitmueller> And it's fear mongering like that which causes politicians to do stupid things.
[19:21]  * devinheitmueller goes back to Linux drivers for real now.