[02:35]  * mn2010 is away: Client Away, XChat-Trunk
[09:16] <rmg51> Morning
[11:13] <waltman> morning
[11:20] <JonathanD> hey
[11:24] <rmg51> bye
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:08] <waltman> Morning, bears
[14:24]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[14:32] <waltman> So the *default* in Windows 7 is to install system updates in the middle of the night and then reboot my machine without asking? WTF?
[14:32] <waltman> AND to not even restore the apps I had running?
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> Restoring apps you had running is a Linux thing. The ability to restore to a specific state is built into the app though, not into the OS. Many Windows apps wouldn't return to the same screen that was open when the system shutdown anyway.
[14:40] <ChinnoDog> But I agree the default Windows Update settings are pretty dumb
[14:43] <waltman> OSX has done it since Lion last year.
[14:47] <ChinnoDog> OSX apps usually have fewer screens
[14:47] <ChinnoDog> (a good thing)
[14:48] <ChinnoDog> As for the updates, Win32 does not allow replacing in-use files like POSIX so even though the updates run as frequently as they do in Ubuntu reboots are necessary :-(
[14:48] <ChinnoDog> imho the POSIX method of replacing files is far superior to the Win32 method
[14:57] <waltman> Also there are different keys to flip between apps and windows within apps. I used to hate that, but now it seems second-nature.
[15:15] <ChinnoDog> I wish it was always the same keys to flip between child windows
[15:17] <waltman> I think there's a way to do it.
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> Those keys are not part of the API. A lot of apps use the same keys but not all of them. :-(
[15:31]  * ChinnoDog noms some bacon
[17:32] <ChinnoDog> Anyone have an opinion about the reliability of refurbished hard drives?
[17:34] <rmg51> no. but I'm off to see my doctor:P
[17:37] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: idk, i figure electronics - either don't work instantly or if they fail and replaced something as good as new - but, saying that, never did refurbed hd -
[18:08] <ChinnoDog> A lot of refurb electronics are better than brand new but I make an exception when there are analog circuits involved including CRTs and hard disk servos
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> Things I read online suggest refurb drives are awesome so long as they are factory refurb and not third party. Most of them just need new controllers or firmware. If there is anything wrong with the platters they would be junk.
[19:02] <ChinnoDog> I've read several comments now by people who say that refurb drives are more reliable than the brand new ones they have purchased.
[19:03] <InHisName> I had one refurb die on me, ChinnoDog
[19:03] <InHisName> It was a 30Gig, WD
[19:03] <InHisName> A replacement within the 3 years.
[19:04] <InHisName> It lasted about 4 or so more.
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> Sounds pretty reasonable to me
[19:05] <InHisName> Out of the dozens of others, only 2-3 died and got replaced by factory 1-2 times. One out of warranty.
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> I don't think WD was reliable in the 30gb era
[19:05] <ChinnoDog> They were prone to sudden catastrophy and then ressurection
[19:05] <InHisName> All the rest got turned off due to technology passing them by too fast.
[19:05] <InHisName> Opps  sorry, it was MaxStor
[19:06] <ChinnoDog> In that case it was pretty good for a maxstor
[19:06] <ChinnoDog> those things are garbage :-p
[19:07] <ChinnoDog> s/maxstor/maxtor
[19:28] <ChinnoDog> refurb 1tb hard disk gets my vote but only after I see it on the shelf at Microcenter.
[19:30] <jedijf> what are you looking for, duct tape?
[19:30] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[19:31] <ChinnoDog> Their web site doesn't say what brand or model it is or who refurbished it
[19:31] <ChinnoDog> I need to see its brand and specs before I buy
[19:31] <ChinnoDog> It is $61.19 so if it is decent it is worth it
[19:32] <jedijf> i just bought a refurbed dell desktop sunday for some kid we know
[19:32] <ssweeny> not sure i'd trust a refurbed hard disk
[19:32] <jedijf> microcenter ^^^
[19:32] <ssweeny> no telling how many miles it's spun
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> I wasn't sure either ssweeny but I did some online research and everyone who has owned them says they are more reliable than new ones.
[19:34] <ssweeny> sounds like a scam
[19:34] <ChinnoDog> Everyone who has not one one says they are bad on priciple but their opinions don't count.
[19:34] <ChinnoDog> s/has not one one/has not owned one/
[19:34] <ssweeny> sounds like something a scammer would say
[19:34] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> You can't say something that you have no experience with is bad on principle unless you are an elitist.
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> And there are many of those.
[19:36] <jedijf> now you're a commoner? when did this happen?
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> When have I not been?
[19:37]  * ChinnoDog noms cake wrapped in 24 carat gold foil
[19:37] <jedijf> but is the cake any good?
[19:37] <ChinnoDog> like it matters
[19:38] <ChinnoDog> Probably a tastykake in disguise
[19:38] <jedijf> don't keep bank data on your refurbed hard drive
[19:38] <ChinnoDog> Why?
[19:38] <ChinnoDog> Is it bugged?